Regarding porn
#21
Porn does many things but I want to focus on two.

One, it shifts the standards of men to women who are less "beautiful" but instead "hot" (code for fat). This results in men who watch porn being more willing to have sex with ugly women as long as they are "thick", perpetuating the stranglehold of women over sexual dynamics.

Two, it makes masturbation appealing. Masturbation is not a pretty act by itself. It is self-aware. Porn in all forms takes the edge off of it.

As an aside, I frankly don't care as much about the "cucking" nature of pornography. Obvious it's conceptually cucked, but after that I think the more damaging effect of it is the autogynephilic one.

(11-27-2022, 09:05 PM)chungus Wrote: Men only watch porn when society is longhoused. Get rid of the longhouse and porn would cease to exist. Attacks on porn aren't actually dissident and thus adhere to the longhouse.

Attacks on porn may seem out of vogue or in the realm of tradcath larpers but I fail to see how telling young people to stop doing something that's widely popular, normalized, encouraged, and seriously hurting them isn't "dissident". I don't particularly care if feminists also hate porn (which is a lie btw).
#22
(11-28-2022, 11:42 PM)skorr Wrote: One, it shifts the standards of men to women who are less "beautiful" but instead "hot" (code for fat). This results in men who watch porn being more willing to have sex with ugly women as long as they are "thick", perpetuating the stranglehold of women over sexual dynamics.

Deeply insightful. Before I met my wife I made a conscious effort to stop saying "hot" and start saying "beautiful." The beautiful to hot shift is the decline from god to beast, from the verge of Overman back to chimp; mating priorities regressing from facial symmetry and other objective aesthetic qualities to the amount of cellulite in the buttocks. Regardless of the role this plays in intersexual dynamics, it degrades the man who becomes captured by these modes of thought, inherently so.
#23
@skorr Never have been attracted to “curvy”,”thick”, or overweight women regardless of porn consumption. Large well proportioned breasts or prominent slightly oversized butt are very attractive but not essential. Sometimes a woman can look very good if overweight but has to have excellent proportions, fat distribution, health, genetics. This is very rare and I have never sought it out.

As for feminists/leftists being pro-porn, see post above yours. That is a Chungus-tier gross oversimplification and distortion of reality. Like saying leftists are pro-pedophilia or saying leftists are obviously pro-gun because they love blacks and cops using guns to execute white men.
#24
(11-28-2022, 06:46 PM)BillyONare Wrote: @Guest The goal is to make men watch porn then shame and even punish them for it. The same way 12 year olds dress up as sluts and try to give men boners so that they can complain and humblebrag about “creepy old men”. Society encourages this behavior in every way. It’s a symptom not a cause.

“You said that precocious 12 year olds shouldn’t wear yoga pants and flaunt the attention of men. But you also said that attacks on “pedophilia” were longhouse. I caught you in a contradiction CHIEF!” -sneering soyjak

Found a rather explicit case of this on the Heaven Site. 'Men are creeps for watching porn and objectifying women, but it's empowering to feel confident about your body and post thirst traps online.'
#25
(11-30-2022, 03:00 AM)Leverkühn Wrote:
(11-28-2022, 06:46 PM)BillyONare Wrote: @Guest The goal is to make men watch porn then shame and even punish them for it. The same way 12 year olds dress up as sluts and try to give men boners so that they can complain and humblebrag about “creepy old men”. Society encourages this behavior in every way. It’s a symptom not a cause.

“You said that precocious 12 year olds shouldn’t wear yoga pants and flaunt the attention of men. But you also said that attacks on “pedophilia” were longhouse. I caught you in a contradiction CHIEF!” -sneering soyjak

Found a rather explicit case of this on the Heaven Site. 'Men are creeps for watching porn and objectifying women, but it's empowering to feel confident about your body and post thirst traps online.'
Do note that this somehow does not preclude women from objectifying men, which most feminists will claim does not happen (obviously not true), or will say it’s good because women shouldn’t inhibit their inner feelings etc. Fundamentally, feminist anti-porn culture is not truly against porn, but is instead against male sexuality especially towards actually attractive women (also see how liking the post-wall chick from the new Resident Evil game is fine, because she’s post the wall).
#26
(11-30-2022, 05:29 AM)Guest Wrote: Do note that this somehow does not preclude women from objectifying men, which most feminists will claim does not happen (obviously not true), or will say it’s good because women shouldn’t inhibit their inner feelings etc. Fundamentally, feminist anti-porn culture is not truly against porn, but is instead against male sexuality especially towards actually attractive women (also see how liking the post-wall chick from the new Resident Evil game is fine, because she’s post the wall).

"doesn't have time to care about anything that isn't real"


This led me to visit her profile to see her other brilliant takes.

Quote:today is one of those days where I open twitter and see everyone analyzing drama between Tim pool and Kanye and I just think yes the time to delete twitter and just go be a waitress with a flip phone was yesterday
Quote:after psyops have beat me over the head past two years, I've begun to care a lot less about saving the world & starting a homestead & a lot more about escaping to a foreign beach town with a good man & my sketchbook. sun smiles & dancing to the death
Quote:burnt sienna underpainting before i go in on colors tonight. painting outside in a bikini in November. drinking black ice coffee. Listening to James Taylor. life really be like that sometimes

Red-Scare-subreddit-brain. This kind of oversocialization is worse than anything porn could ever do to you.
#27
(11-30-2022, 10:03 AM)Chud Wrote: Red-Scare-subreddit-brain. This kind of oversocialization is far worse than anything porn could ever do to you.

Red-Scare Americans.
#28
(11-28-2022, 11:42 PM)skorr Wrote: Porn does many things but I want to focus on two.

One, it shifts the standards of men to women who are less "beautiful" but instead "hot" (code for fat). This results in men who watch porn being more willing to have sex with ugly women as long as they are "thick", perpetuating the stranglehold of women over sexual dynamics.

Two, it makes masturbation appealing. Masturbation is not a pretty act by itself. It is self-aware. Porn in all forms takes the edge off of it.

As an aside, I frankly don't care as much about the "cucking" nature of pornography. Obvious it's conceptually cucked, but after that I think the more damaging effect of it is the autogynephilic one.

(11-27-2022, 09:05 PM)chungus Wrote: Men only watch porn when society is longhoused. Get rid of the longhouse and porn would cease to exist. Attacks on porn aren't actually dissident and thus adhere to the longhouse.

Attacks on porn may seem out of vogue or in the realm of tradcath larpers but I fail to see how telling young people to stop doing something that's widely popular, normalized, encouraged, and seriously hurting them isn't "dissident". I don't particularly care if feminists also hate porn (which is a lie btw).

Your analysis is bang on but porn is good actually. Allow me to explain... Porn is a disgusting, highly-addictive, low time-preference commodity that can be consumed by any categorical man. This of course creates a generation of many low T reddit cumbrains (they have actual sperms traveling all the way up to their brains look it up). You make a very good argument of suppressing it but it did make me think. Other countries that tend to suppress these so called "decadent activities" (ex. Iran, Saudi Arabia etc.) never produce High-achieving high-T men that appreciate real beauty. I would say so called 'based Iranian Men' have come to be some of the most feminised men in history (see: Nuance Bro, a notorious homosexual). This leads me to believe that man when subjugated into a state of repression does not feel manly hence will always be indistinguishable to the the feminised state of the coom-brain redditor. Is the repressed Iranian man in a better state than the "coomer-redditor"? NO.

Iranian man is always anxious of the "sex police" and the redditor is anxious of chad. They are both suppressing their carnal instinct out of fear being punished by another man. This is the true meaning of being "cucked". It is only in a state of defiance, when man REJECTS filth like porn and obese woman out of his own conviction his manhood rises and he is able to see REAL BEAUTY for what it is (Taylor Swift in a Red Dress).
#29
Quote:Other countries that tend to suppress these so called "decadent activities" (ex. Iran, Saudi Arabia etc.) never produce High-achieving high-T men that appreciate real beauty.
Your entire argument falls flat because it's a question of race, not of porn laws. Arguably the men in these countries would've been even worse off with liberal access to pornography.
#30
(12-01-2022, 03:27 PM)Guest Wrote: Arguably the men in these countries would've been even worse off with liberal access to pornography.

"Porn improved my life" said no one ever.
#31
(11-30-2022, 10:40 PM)AF Groyper (I hunt and rape groypers) Wrote: Iranian man is always anxious of the "sex police" and the redditor is anxious of chad. They are both suppressing their carnal instinct out of fear being punished by another man. This is the true meaning of being "cucked". It is only in a state of defiance, when man REJECTS filth like porn and obese woman out of his own conviction his manhood rises and he is able to see REAL BEAUTY for what it is (Taylor Swift in a Red Dress).

This is a great point. Goes beyond porn and sex. Not being some sort of libertarian or monarchist or minarchist is just pure fagotry. Being a statist is precisely saying that "I want the government to kill me or my friends unless they pay half of their money to the government every year and don't do naughty sex things like rape or flirt with women". If you are not a libertarian, then you are a self-hating untrustworthy cuckold traitor and you cannot truly have friends because part of having friends is that you want the best for them and would hide their wife's body no questions asked. I want my allies and friends and myself to have as much freedom and power as the universe will allow and I don't want them to go to prison for jacking off/selling drugs/killing their wife and paying 80% of their paycheck to child support and taxes and that's why I'm a "libertarian cuck" instead of a "STRONG turd pozz-itionist ILLIBERAL CATHOLIC TANKIE ENFORCING MORALITY WITH AN IRON FIST".
#32
all of this bloviating when all you really need to do is just not immediately close the tab, and watch for an extra two minutes after post-nut clarity. when in a state of complete zero arousal, the shame and disgust you will feel from watching another man fuck some retarded, bleating sow will be enough to disenchant pornography for you, and help you move away from needing sexual validation from a simulated blow-bang. this is the case for all sexual activity with arousal as the primary variable, actually, and it's why men have an easy time with the "pump-and-dump"

you gotta do what you gotta do, sometimes, but i think having a little more respect for yourself, and maybe not doing it so often is a good idea. if you're getting the urge to beat off, it's probably because you're bored, and need to do something - nofap is right about that, at least
#33
(01-13-2023, 10:42 AM)Guest Wrote: all of this bloviating when all you really need to do is just not immediately close the tab, and watch for an extra two minutes after post-nut clarity. when in a state of complete zero arousal, the shame and disgust you will feel from watching another man fuck some retarded, bleating sow will be enough to disenchant pornography for you, and help you move away from needing sexual validation from a simulated blow-bang. this is the case for all sexual activity with arousal as the primary variable, actually, and it's why men have an easy time with the "pump-and-dump"

you gotta do what you gotta do, sometimes, but i think having a little more respect for yourself, and maybe not doing it so often is a good idea. if you're getting the urge to beat off, it's probably because you're bored, and need to do something - nofap is right about that, at least

This is similar to some really good advice I read on food. That being; when you're not sure about something you think you want to eat, imagine yourself sitting alone at a table in a bare room eating it to completion.
#34
what people dont get is i like gooning to degen stuff from glorious NIPPON and it makes me feel good. perhaps the online right needs to take a pro-gooning stance and a anti-CUM stance. maybe its only after you cum that your brain is damaged....
#35
you need to stop "gooning" immediately
#36
Guest is attempting to repress zazzle's masculine vital sexuality, which intimidates him.

The ideal society, of course, doesn't have pornography, but is this because citizens of the keyedstaat are Buddhist Arhat-Achieved Aryans in total control of their sexual vril, or because they're warrior-aristocracy constantly pillaging and raping whenever they have a twitch in their pants? Questions for our descendants.
#37
Porn is an elegy...
#38
The real question not being asked is porn for women, should that exist? 

For women reading porn is socially acceptable and a part of the identity of modern woman but I ask you, what are its adverse effects on women? How can we make more powerful forms of pornography to do more damage to women who read it? 

Porn should be like a poison destroying those whom consume it. What ever shame felt from the consumption of porn must be amplified to its maximum form as well as it’s addictive qualities. We need the top Amarna scientist creating a science of pornography and to begin funding the Amarna porn studio.

It’s should be our goal that we make porn so powerful and pernicious that normies unanimously agree that it needs to be banned. Porn not having any adverse effects is the adverse effect, we must purify porn by making it deadly. The fact that this conversation exists is a testimony to porns benign existence. It should be easy to make a judgement on porn but it’s the object of contention, all arguments on it stem from an artistic nature instead of the concrete fact of inartistic proofs.

Main point is that porns lukewarm not threading nature makes it the objects of endless contention and this is bad, thus we should make porn deadly to arrive at a final conclusion.

(I’m going to masterbait now, goodbye my Amarna Brothers)
#39
(02-23-2023, 12:29 AM)Guest Wrote: The real question not being asked is porn for women, should that exist? 

For women reading porn is socially acceptable and a part of the identity of modern woman but I ask you, what are its adverse effects on women? How can we make more powerful forms of pornography to do more damage to women who read it? 

Porn should be like a poison destroying those whom consume it. What ever shame felt from the consumption of porn must be amplified to its maximum form as well as it’s addictive qualities. We need the top Amarna scientist creating a science of pornography and to begin funding the Amarna porn studio.

It’s should be our goal that we make porn so powerful and pernicious that normies unanimously agree that it needs to be banned. Porn not having any adverse effects is the adverse effect, we must purify porn by making it deadly. The fact that this conversation exists is a testimony to porns benign existence. It should be easy to make a judgement on porn but it’s the object of contention, all arguments on it stem from an artistic nature instead of the concrete fact of inartistic proofs.

Main point is that porns lukewarm not threading nature makes it the objects of endless contention and this is bad, thus we should make porn deadly to arrive at a final conclusion.

(I’m going to masterbait now, goodbye my Amarna Brothers)

I think the question ought to be closer to "should media for women exist?" I only believe that porn creates problems in human outliers who are already destroyed by the inhuman circumstances in which we force them to live. My solution to the tranny programmer question is not to only adjust culture until they are CISgendered spiritually castrated programmers.

As for your final solution to porn, I don't really think that's possible. Dogbrains just take everything on a base level they can process and will be no better or worse off than their awful selves forever, while sensitive outliers are already being destroyed. I don't actually think porn that could destroy everyone is possible or really desirable. And then a normalfag ban on "porn" would just open the question of what porn is and they'd only possibly get it wrong. I think the issue here is that you're only reading one porn audience. Porn has no meaningful adverse effects on normalfags, dogbrains, whatever you want to call them. Porn is dangerous to brutalised and vulnerable sensitive people.

Think I sort of repeated myself above. Back to the first point, I think that most of the harmful effects attributed to porn are actually just generally media induced, and that the porn issue should be entirely subsumed by the media issue. I think it's far easier to make a case that tv is bad for people. Smartphones drive girls insane. Etc. I don't have it on hand, but there's that Hakan story about the effects of tv on a previously isolated culture being immediately apparent and damaging.
#40
518. The problem with porn is not that it exists but that it's not taken seriously enough; that it's so ugly. All you see is ugly models, bad directors, low budgets. But two alpha individuals going at it is an amazing sight, but also one guaranteed to arouse ressentiment to the point of making the spectacle too painful to look at for the majority of viewers. Such a treatment would at any rate raise everyone's copulation standards, which after all is what art is supposed to do. That's why I think that Hollywood should get into the porn business. Remember the latest 300's sex scene? His penis should be going in her vagina, right there, on the silver screen, to really glorify sex, to make people feel bad for sleeping with those beneath them. (Of course if any of this happened, and if women's standards were raised in this way, we'd never hear the end of it from the PUAs. But maybe that would be a hint for us to put an end to them, if you get my meaning, or at least to the uglier among them, which is to say the vast majority of them?)



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