Regarding porn
#21
(11-27-2022, 09:05 PM)chungus Wrote: Men only watch porn when society is longhoused. Get rid of the longhouse and porn would cease to exist. Attacks on porn aren't actually dissident and thus adhere to the longhouse.

Yes. The simplest & most obvious answer is often the truest. "Chimp in state of nature never jerk off, but in captivity he do - wat means?"
#22
Quote:Men only watch porn when society is longhoused.
Quote:Attacks on porn (...) adhere to the longhouse.

adhere
/ədˈhɪə/
verb
1.
stick fast to (a surface or substance).
"paint won't adhere well to a greasy surface"

2.
believe in and follow the practices of.
"I do not adhere to any organized religion"

These two sentences directly contradict each other. Explain to me as if I were retarded why the criticism of porn (one of the elements of the longhouse society) would be tantamount to following the practices of such society.

Quote:And modern men nonetheless run voluntary into this auto-humiliation ritual.
Guess fucking what, exploiting the human vulnerability and creating addiction through the ease of access of this material is part of the design.
#23
@Guest The goal is to make men watch porn then shame and even punish them for it. The same way 12 year olds dress up as sluts and try to give men boners so that they can complain and humblebrag about “creepy old men”. Society encourages this behavior in every way. It’s a symptom not a cause.

“You said that precocious 12 year olds shouldn’t wear yoga pants and flaunt the attention of men. But you also said that attacks on “pedophilia” were longhouse. I caught you in a contradiction CHIEF!” -sneering soyjak
#24
Porn does many things but I want to focus on two.

One, it shifts the standards of men to women who are less "beautiful" but instead "hot" (code for fat). This results in men who watch porn being more willing to have sex with ugly women as long as they are "thick", perpetuating the stranglehold of women over sexual dynamics.

Two, it makes masturbation appealing. Masturbation is not a pretty act by itself. It is self-aware. Porn in all forms takes the edge off of it.

As an aside, I frankly don't care as much about the "cucking" nature of pornography. Obvious it's conceptually cucked, but after that I think the more damaging effect of it is the autogynephilic one.

(11-27-2022, 09:05 PM)chungus Wrote: Men only watch porn when society is longhoused. Get rid of the longhouse and porn would cease to exist. Attacks on porn aren't actually dissident and thus adhere to the longhouse.

Attacks on porn may seem out of vogue or in the realm of tradcath larpers but I fail to see how telling young people to stop doing something that's widely popular, normalized, encouraged, and seriously hurting them isn't "dissident". I don't particularly care if feminists also hate porn (which is a lie btw).
#25
(11-28-2022, 11:42 PM)skorr Wrote: One, it shifts the standards of men to women who are less "beautiful" but instead "hot" (code for fat). This results in men who watch porn being more willing to have sex with ugly women as long as they are "thick", perpetuating the stranglehold of women over sexual dynamics.

Deeply insightful. Before I met my wife I made a conscious effort to stop saying "hot" and start saying "beautiful." The beautiful to hot shift is the decline from god to beast, from the verge of Overman back to chimp; mating priorities regressing from facial symmetry and other objective aesthetic qualities to the amount of cellulite in the buttocks. Regardless of the role this plays in intersexual dynamics, it degrades the man who becomes captured by these modes of thought, inherently so.
#26
@skorr Never have been attracted to “curvy”,”thick”, or overweight women regardless of porn consumption. Large well proportioned breasts or prominent slightly oversized butt are very attractive but not essential. Sometimes a woman can look very good if overweight but has to have excellent proportions, fat distribution, health, genetics. This is very rare and I have never sought it out.

As for feminists/leftists being pro-porn, see post above yours. That is a Chungus-tier gross oversimplification and distortion of reality. Like saying leftists are pro-pedophilia or saying leftists are obviously pro-gun because they love blacks and cops using guns to execute white men.
#27
(11-28-2022, 06:46 PM)BillyONare Wrote: @Guest The goal is to make men watch porn then shame and even punish them for it. The same way 12 year olds dress up as sluts and try to give men boners so that they can complain and humblebrag about “creepy old men”. Society encourages this behavior in every way. It’s a symptom not a cause.

“You said that precocious 12 year olds shouldn’t wear yoga pants and flaunt the attention of men. But you also said that attacks on “pedophilia” were longhouse. I caught you in a contradiction CHIEF!” -sneering soyjak

Found a rather explicit case of this on the Heaven Site. 'Men are creeps for watching porn and objectifying women, but it's empowering to feel confident about your body and post thirst traps online.'
#28
(11-30-2022, 03:00 AM)Leverkühn Wrote:
(11-28-2022, 06:46 PM)BillyONare Wrote: @Guest The goal is to make men watch porn then shame and even punish them for it. The same way 12 year olds dress up as sluts and try to give men boners so that they can complain and humblebrag about “creepy old men”. Society encourages this behavior in every way. It’s a symptom not a cause.

“You said that precocious 12 year olds shouldn’t wear yoga pants and flaunt the attention of men. But you also said that attacks on “pedophilia” were longhouse. I caught you in a contradiction CHIEF!” -sneering soyjak

Found a rather explicit case of this on the Heaven Site. 'Men are creeps for watching porn and objectifying women, but it's empowering to feel confident about your body and post thirst traps online.'
Do note that this somehow does not preclude women from objectifying men, which most feminists will claim does not happen (obviously not true), or will say it’s good because women shouldn’t inhibit their inner feelings etc. Fundamentally, feminist anti-porn culture is not truly against porn, but is instead against male sexuality especially towards actually attractive women (also see how liking the post-wall chick from the new Resident Evil game is fine, because she’s post the wall).
#29
(11-30-2022, 05:29 AM)Guest Wrote: Do note that this somehow does not preclude women from objectifying men, which most feminists will claim does not happen (obviously not true), or will say it’s good because women shouldn’t inhibit their inner feelings etc. Fundamentally, feminist anti-porn culture is not truly against porn, but is instead against male sexuality especially towards actually attractive women (also see how liking the post-wall chick from the new Resident Evil game is fine, because she’s post the wall).

"doesn't have time to care about anything that isn't real"


This led me to visit her profile to see her other brilliant takes.

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Red-Scare-subreddit-brain. This kind of oversocialization is worse than anything porn could ever do to you.
#30
(11-30-2022, 10:03 AM)Chud Wrote: Red-Scare-subreddit-brain. This kind of oversocialization is far worse than anything porn could ever do to you.

Red-Scare Americans.
#31
(11-28-2022, 11:42 PM)skorr Wrote: Porn does many things but I want to focus on two.

One, it shifts the standards of men to women who are less "beautiful" but instead "hot" (code for fat). This results in men who watch porn being more willing to have sex with ugly women as long as they are "thick", perpetuating the stranglehold of women over sexual dynamics.

Two, it makes masturbation appealing. Masturbation is not a pretty act by itself. It is self-aware. Porn in all forms takes the edge off of it.

As an aside, I frankly don't care as much about the "cucking" nature of pornography. Obvious it's conceptually cucked, but after that I think the more damaging effect of it is the autogynephilic one.

(11-27-2022, 09:05 PM)chungus Wrote: Men only watch porn when society is longhoused. Get rid of the longhouse and porn would cease to exist. Attacks on porn aren't actually dissident and thus adhere to the longhouse.

Attacks on porn may seem out of vogue or in the realm of tradcath larpers but I fail to see how telling young people to stop doing something that's widely popular, normalized, encouraged, and seriously hurting them isn't "dissident". I don't particularly care if feminists also hate porn (which is a lie btw).

Your analysis is bang on but porn is good actually. Allow me to explain... Porn is a disgusting, highly-addictive, low time-preference commodity that can be consumed by any categorical man. This of course creates a generation of many low T reddit cumbrains (they have actual sperms traveling all the way up to their brains look it up). You make a very good argument of suppressing it but it did make me think. Other countries that tend to suppress these so called "decadent activities" (ex. Iran, Saudi Arabia etc.) never produce High-achieving high-T men that appreciate real beauty. I would say so called 'based Iranian Men' have come to be some of the most feminised men in history (see: Nuance Bro, a notorious homosexual). This leads me to believe that man when subjugated into a state of repression does not feel manly hence will always be indistinguishable to the the feminised state of the coom-brain redditor. Is the repressed Iranian man in a better state than the "coomer-redditor"? NO.

Iranian man is always anxious of the "sex police" and the redditor is anxious of chad. They are both suppressing their carnal instinct out of fear being punished by another man. This is the true meaning of being "cucked". It is only in a state of defiance, when man REJECTS filth like porn and obese woman out of his own conviction his manhood rises and he is able to see REAL BEAUTY for what it is (Taylor Swift in a Red Dress).
#32
Quote:Other countries that tend to suppress these so called "decadent activities" (ex. Iran, Saudi Arabia etc.) never produce High-achieving high-T men that appreciate real beauty.
Your entire argument falls flat because it's a question of race, not of porn laws. Arguably the men in these countries would've been even worse off with liberal access to pornography.
#33
(12-01-2022, 03:27 PM)Guest Wrote: Arguably the men in these countries would've been even worse off with liberal access to pornography.

"Porn improved my life" said no one ever.
#34
(11-30-2022, 10:40 PM)AF Groyper (I hunt and rape groypers) Wrote: Iranian man is always anxious of the "sex police" and the redditor is anxious of chad. They are both suppressing their carnal instinct out of fear being punished by another man. This is the true meaning of being "cucked". It is only in a state of defiance, when man REJECTS filth like porn and obese woman out of his own conviction his manhood rises and he is able to see REAL BEAUTY for what it is (Taylor Swift in a Red Dress).

This is a great point. Goes beyond porn and sex. Not being some sort of libertarian or monarchist or minarchist is just pure fagotry. Being a statist is precisely saying that "I want the government to kill me or my friends unless they pay half of their money to the government every year and don't do naughty sex things like rape or flirt with women". If you are not a libertarian, then you are a self-hating untrustworthy cuckold traitor and you cannot truly have friends because part of having friends is that you want the best for them and would hide their wife's body no questions asked. I want my allies and friends and myself to have as much freedom and power as the universe will allow and I don't want them to go to prison for jacking off/selling drugs/killing their wife and paying 80% of their paycheck to child support and taxes and that's why I'm a "libertarian cuck" instead of a "STRONG turd pozz-itionist ILLIBERAL CATHOLIC TANKIE ENFORCING MORALITY WITH AN IRON FIST".


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