Richard Hanania's Career of Coal

[anthony]

When you're right you're right and when you're wrong you're wrong. Hanania is doing what most online thoughtpeople do and has made a plan of sometimes being wrong on purpose so that now everything is plausibly deniable as 44D chess, calling him retarded is actually low status dysgenics and cool nigger sees you caring because actually the plan was to be wrong, unless you think it's smart, in which case of course it is.

BAP does this too so whatever. I hate all of these people. Compromised as characters. But again, when you're right you're right. BAP will flake on you, taste, civility, reason at the drop of a hat just like Hanania will, but they also say things which are deeply and obviously true and right as well. When you're right you're right. Womens' Tears do Win in the Marketplace of Ideas. Richard Hoste I might have actually trusted. Richard Hanania can be mined for a couple of lucid thoughts and then discarded. Ditto for everyone who trolls (activates plausible deniability retard-shield) with things they supposedly care about.

[The Green Groyper]

When you're right you're right and when you're wrong you're wrong. Hanania is doing what most online thoughtpeople do and has made a plan of sometimes being wrong on purpose so that now everything is plausibly deniable as 44D chess, calling him retarded is actually low status dysgenics and cool nigger sees you caring because actually the plan was to be wrong, unless you think it's smart, in which case of course it is.

BAP does this too so whatever. I hate all of these people. Compromised as characters. But again, when you're right you're right. BAP will flake on you, taste, civility, reason at the drop of a hat just like Hanania will, but they also say things which are deeply and obviously true and right as well. When you're right you're right. Womens' Tears do Win in the Marketplace of Ideas. Richard Hoste I might have actually trusted. Richard Hanania can be mined for a couple of lucid thoughts and then discarded. Ditto for everyone who trolls (activates plausible deniability retard-shield) with things they supposedly care about.

Maybe I'm just a reactionary(or simply a simple minded retard), but I find these multi layered irony games exhausting and enraging. Why can't people just be sincere? Is that just not in vogue in current year? Or is that low status now?

[Guest]

They're too scared to be passionate anymore. Jews have a particular style of argumentation that is specifically tailored to mocking any form of sincerity, which is a part of their general desire to dismantle and subvert anything orderly or "western". They drilled it into the minds of their subjects, and now everyone abides by it.

[Muskox]

The Haniana opinion I like best is "the right is a loser club that attracts low IQ creatures on purpose". I like it because it is true.
The Haniana opinion I like least is his irrational belief in the medical literature.
He is also a pretty good troll, and we should credit that. Having fun is the main goal of posting.

I obviously disagree with Haniana on a lot of topics, but I want to counter this thread by proposing an alternative perspective: He has not "declined" in a meaningful way, he chose a path of mainstream success. You see this as decline because you would have to compromise your beliefs to do it. He (probably) didn't. He achieved the cozy pundit status without denying HBD, sex differences or his libertarian leanings. I might go as far as call him the next Steve Sailer. Haniana is as close to a mainstream representation of "our sphere" as it's ever going to get. If the political tides turn in our favour, as many here seem to expect, expect guys like Haniana to be mediators between a very reluctant intellectual class and the new fascist overlords.

Correct. "The Origins of Woke" is carried at my local big-box bookstore. What benefit is there to attacking him?

[The Green Groyper]

They're too scared to be passionate anymore. Jews have a particular style of argumentation that is specifically tailored to mocking any form of sincerity, which is a part of their general desire to dismantle and subvert anything orderly or "western". They drilled it into the minds of their subjects, and now everyone abides by it.

Yeah I see this on Twitter-this soul scalding insincerity, everything is wrapped up in layers of ironic detachment, and levity. You see this amongst libtards most prominently-a sort of self referential ironic detachment-"le chunky dog commercial be dime on RDR2".

Nothing is ever taken or addressed seriously, everything is treated as something of a joke.

"touch grass" or "incel" or niggerisms like "what no pussy does to a mfer". 

Its the total Whedonification of mass discourse. And it makes me genuinely sick.

[kevin]

His brother threw a poodle off a 5 story apartment building roof then later died of a drug overdose.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...arage.html

[Guest]

Is this high-status Hanannia bros?

[calico]

After his doxxing Hannania went from tolerable to repulsive.

His desperately wants his audience to view his sudden pivot towards aggressive Zionism to be some sort of meta-based move where his slavish advocacy is viewed as tongue and cheek acknowledgement of Jewish influence over the media. This somehow manages to come off as far more pathetic than the usual groveling apologies and insistences that MC Big King Killa Cap a Cop has many valued Jewish friends and promises to tour the local Holocaust museum with a sufficiently contemplative look on his face.

Combine this with his Palestinian heritage and sex offender physiognomy; he evokes the same sort of feelings one gets when they have to walk around roadkill. And like that dead possum on the side of the road, it's far too late for the powers that be to ever certify him kosher.

[BillyONare]

Dark Elf

[Guest]

Black Jew

[Hamamelis]

My second most favorite Haniana opinion is that the anti-abortion stance of the American right is maybe the dumbest political blunder in the history of the country. When your enemies offer to kill their offspring, you don't keep them from doing it. 

I also like that he offers a form of reality check for Mr. Lobe accounts who think the US is going to collapse soon because trannies are in the army.

[The Green Groyper]

Can someone give me context on what "Mr Lobe" is?

[BillyONare]

My second most favorite Haniana opinion is that the anti-abortion stance of the American right is maybe the dumbest political blunder in the history of the country. When your enemies offer to kill their offspring, you don't keep them from doing it.

I also like that he offers a form of reality check for Mr. Lobe accounts who think the US is going to collapse soon because trannies are in the army.

This is wrong. We need as many white babies as possible. It is as simple as that.

[Hamamelis]

The selection effects on who gets an abortion are strong. It's mostly black, lefty, poor women (therefore also dumb women) who do it (certainly in the US, not sure about other countries). It also has no effect on overall birth rates whether or not you allow abortion.
The whole debate is a specifically American absurdity. In no other countries is this an issue - abortion within reasonable limits is allowed, and there are no welfare queens getting a dozen abortions. But if there were, we wouldn't cry about the most useless fraction of our population slowing their reproduction.

Can someone give me context on what "Mr Lobe" is?

Read recent shoutbox from 15.11 to today, I had the same question and am now going to use the term liberally.

[calico]

The selection effects on who gets an abortion are strong. It's mostly black, lefty, poor women (therefore also dumb women) who do it (certainly in the US, not sure about other countries). It also has no effect on overall birth rates whether or not you allow abortion.
The whole debate is a specifically American absurdity. In no other countries is this an issue - abortion within reasonable limits is allowed, and there are no welfare queens getting a dozen abortions. But if there were, we wouldn't cry about the most useless fraction of our population slowing their reproduction.

Abortion is directly responsible for the declining population of Russia.

The whole debate is a specifically American absurdity. In no other countries is this an issue - abortion within reasonable limits is allowed....

As long as you forget Poland, Argentina, Ireland, Mexico, India, the rest of South Asia, most of the rest of Latin America,the Middle East and North Africa, Indonesia and Malaysia, the Phillipines, South Korea, the vast majority of the rest of Africa, and most of the other countries that aren't post-Soviet shitholes or in Europe. Then yes, it is a "distinctly American phenomenon."

, and there are no welfare queens getting a dozen abortions.

Abortion is the primary method of birth control in large sections in the world and is broadly responsible for the decline in fertility rates in those countries in which it becomes widely accepted. This is why the CCP is now trying to put the cat in the bag since they've started to realize the demographic bomb they strapped to themselves with generations of only children.

You've swallowed liberal talking points and only added a superficial veneer of BASED thoughtcrime to them by moaning about "welfare queens." Abortion is a big deal, whether or not menopausal women LARPing as suffragettes want you to believe otherwise.

[T. L.]

The whole debate is a specifically American absurdity. In no other countries is this an issue

National-conservative party of Poland, that had ruled the country for 8 years, lost elections a month ago only because they had made an already restrictive abortion law even more restrictive. They whined that eugenic abortion is bad and that retards (not even retards, more like barely alive creatures with harlequin ichthyosis) and rapebabies (with rape understood as "a nigger violently raped a random woman on a street", not as "a couple had sex while drunk") have a right to live.

[BillyONare]

The selection effects on who gets an abortion are strong. It's mostly black, lefty, poor women (therefore also dumb women) who do it (certainly in the US, not sure about other countries). It also has no effect on overall birth rates whether or not you allow abortion.
The whole debate is a specifically American absurdity. In no other countries is this an issue - abortion within reasonable limits is allowed, and there are no welfare queens getting a dozen abortions. But if there were, we wouldn't cry about the most useless fraction of our population slowing their reproduction.

Can someone give me context on what "Mr Lobe" is?

Read recent shoutbox from 15.11 to today, I had the same question and am now going to use the term liberally.

Killing one right wing high IQ white baby is worth killing how many other babies? 1000? Essentially you are arguing that there is some number that makes killing white babies worth it, so it would be productive for this conversation if you landed on a number before @calico and I argue further.

[Hamamelis]

Abortion is directly responsible for the declining population of Russia.

My claim is that there is no strong link between variation in abortion restriction and variation in fertility rates. The graph shows that Russians aborted a lot of pregnancy during Sovjet times. I'm sure you will be able to find a whole number of reasons besides abortion why the Russian population didn't grow in the past few decades.

As long as you forget [many countries where it has also been debated]

Yes, I should have been more clear. Clearly there have been emotional debates about this in other places as well. It's only a decades long, society splitting issue in the US. Poland and Ireland are good recent examples. You will note that the "debates" there took roughly 1-2 years until libs seized the courts basically.

Abortion is the primary method of birth control in large sections in the world...

Yes and I support this over no birth control for large sections of the world. Others might be preferable, of course. I dislike abortion on an emotional level, and it's clearly "inefficient" compared to eg. a condom. But you're insinuating that you'd rather have another billion chinks and jeets rather than them aborting half of their children. I can't believe that you truly mean that, so I attribute this to the above mentioned emotionally charged political debate lowering your IQ with regard to this topic.

... and is broadly responsible for the decline in fertility rates in those countries in which it becomes widely accepted.

No it isn't, and again your graph does not show this in the slightest. Abortion is the means, not the reason. Also, note that my claim was about the American phenomenon of welfare queens, which is markedly different from the effects of Chinese One-Child-Policy.

You've swallowed liberal talking points

I won't even contradict this, as the idiotic debate you have ingrained won't let you see a permissive stance towards abortion in any other light.

Killing one right wing high IQ white baby is worth killing how many other babies? 1000?

A) Surely there is such a number, otherwise you're arguing along the lines of "all of god's creatures are sacred".
B) That is not really the question, you're just making it up to be that. The question is "should a society take a common sense approach to abortion, accepting the moral tradeoffs and then be done with it". Eg allow it in the first trimester, make some exceptions to abort gravely retarded children and never talk about it again.

[calico]

My claim is that there is no strong link between variation in abortion restriction and variation in fertility rates. The graph shows that Russians aborted a lot of pregnancy during Sovjet times. I'm sure you will be able to find a whole number of reasons besides abortion why the Russian population didn't grow in the past few decades.

TFR of 1.5 with over one abortion for every live birth being a record low abortion rate means exactly that. I'll let you use a calculator if you need to for this one if you require special accommodations.

Yes, I should have been more clear. Clearly there have been emotional debates about this in other places as well. It's only a decades long, society splitting issue in the US. Poland and Ireland are good recent examples. You will note that the "debates" there took roughly 1-2 years until libs seized the courts basically.

This has no basis in reality. Even the two "good recent examples" you cited have had a very contentious domestic debate about this for decades. Other countries don't stop existing when Americas aren't paying attention.

No it isn't, and again your graph does not show this in the slightest. Abortion is the means, not the reason.

You are saying that without abortion these unintentional pregnancies would all just miscarry? That doesn't sound right.

I won't even contradict this, as the idiotic debate you have ingrained won't let you see a permissive stance towards abortion in any other light.

> tfw too high IQ to debate the chuds

There's no shame in admitting defeat. I am a merciful god.

[Hamamelis]

TFR of 1.5 with over one abortion for every live birth being a record low abortion rate means exactly that. ... You are saying that without abortion these unintentional pregnancies would all just miscarry? That doesn't sound right.

It doesn't. You're inventing an alternative reality in which, lacking abortion, all those children would have been born. If that were the case, I would completely yield this point. However, in countries with stricter abortion laws, the TFR is not much higher than in countries with laxer abortion laws. So other factors are in play here besides abortion. And it's not about some magical thinking as you seem to imply. Women are choosing to have less children, even women who don't have abortions.
I don't want to dispute that abortion has an influence on TFR, just in case this is what you're getting from this. I understand that this plays into it. But it sounds like your contention is the opposite: that TFR can basically be fixed by forbidding abortion. I think that's ridiculous.

This has no basis in reality.

I want to dispute this strongly, but with due consideration, I won't. I know people in Poland and Ireland, and what they told me about this topic didn't even come close to what is happening in the United States. On the other hand, I haven't really looked into it beyond those anectodes, so if you're going to tell me that they're murdering each other over abortion in Mali, I couldn't really tell you otherwise.

> tfw too high IQ to debate the chuds

I didn't mean to come off as arrogant. I sincerely believe this is a needlessly emotional topic.