Should basedworld abolish famous people?

[GymChad]

For some reason I'm overcome with a hatred for all famous people. I think I know why this is -- if you define famous as anyone with over 100,000 twitter followers, famousness increasing proportionately over that number. All people in existence over this number or who would be over this number if they were on Twitter are garbage people because they appeal to and are known by normies. Therefore they are a symptom of democracy. And democracy is evil. All famous people are really elected and this makes them gay, including Donald Trump.

If basedworld is without democraticness and the masses, then it will be without these famous people as well.

[Mason Hall-McCullough]

I mostly agree with this sentiment although it could be better articulated. Famous people generally suck because they appeal to normies, but "democracy is evil" isn't an argument. Democracy in real life would be fine if only land-owning White men were allowed to vote. The online "democracy" you describe is even worse than US elections because any user (including felons, foreigners, children, and bots) has an equal opportunity to vote to influence social media algorithms, but a more sensible kind of online democracy could be acceptable.

The internet is essentially a virtual world without borders. The meritorious parts of the internet are marginal and struggle to compete with the network effects of infinite slum websites such as Twitter. I think a workable solution that would also abolish eceleb faggotry is the implementation of state or nation-level geographical network layer restrictions similar to China's Great Firewall. We don't need to worry much about the people who breach a firewall since they're intelligent and brave enough to do so, but it filters out foreign normie hordes. The stream of content would somewhat improve in quality and greatly decrease in quantity, both of which are desirable. Normies would have to recalibrate their perception of what a popular post is to 10,000 likes instead of 1,000,000, but otherwise their experience of social media would largely improve.

A one-way firewall that allows us to make outgoing connections but rejects incoming connections could also be interesting, though this may not be practically reasonable.

[august]

It's mostly an issue of having let people whose tastes amount to the equivalent of a stale salami sandwich tell the retards what to like and dislike. 



Wow. A stick figure orgasming while being double-penetrated by the fists of two other stick figures and some schizophrenic scribblings by a black guy. Wow. So avant-garde. Imagine that you're forced to walk around all day with noise-cancelling headphones on and all you're allowed to listen to is a looped conversation between Fran Lebowitz and Larry David on max volume. That's basically where we are. It has become so obvious that women and minorities generally possess little to no self-agency, so they're fine with this arrangement. 

In a Platonic respect, it's not even democracy, it's just full-blown tyranny. You hit on something important though, which is the mass-democratic filter, or the 'bix nood' filter. However, I wouldn't go so far as to group all famous people into this framework. We can say that the Roman general being spontaneously proclaimed emperor by his troops was 'democratic', but was it really? This is an extreme comparison and by no means exactly accurate, but Trump, whatever his faults, is more like an Alexander or a Napoleon than someone who is merely 'elected' in the sense that the people who are really loyal to him would follow him to the ends of the Earth because of a charismatic charm to who he is. There is a level of willingness to follow these types because they offer the best chance of making your own life better to some degree. I know, the whole "Trump is Caesar" thing is Lobian. Whatever. I said it wasn't a perfect comparison and you get my point.





And what his bean counting advisors killed him for ends up being critical to the German economy today. You need an actual aristocracy to cultivate taste and culture. So yeah, ""democracy"" is evil, because forcing people to live amongst ugliness and thwarting anyone who dares to dream about a world otherwise is evil.

[GymChad]

Trump is nothing like Napoleon or Caesar, Trump is a coward elected by the Gucchi Grannies of the world. He's basically the king of the special olympics that is 21st century American politics. I personally would run the country better and get more wall built, I just can't because democracy demands some kissass spend 9 figures on a campaign.

[august]

You know what I meant.

[kythustra]

There's a concept that BAP has described as the Bix Nood filter, roughly, "your ideas will be hammered down into a shape that retards can understand, and this is the form that will that they will become widely understood."

I like Mason's idea of a Normie Herd Firewall. Much of the gnashing about the "old internet" compared with the "new internet" is that you needed a minimum iq to even be able to talk to other people. I think the proliferation of mass consumption a la tiktok, instagram, and may be a good thing. Though it's not so much a firewall as a herding dog corralling sheep into a pen. The trick is to show the way out of the pen for the people who want to find an exit, and this thing already exists, and we all here know where these exits are.

[ourokouros]

This crab bucket argument is much like the one in music where someone is considered a sellout if they start actually doing good.
At a quick count, BAP has 140k twitter followers right now, as a very obvious example.

[august]

BAP has 140k twitter followers right now, as a very obvious example.

Yeah but half of them (at least) are just a part of the blob. No more than a few thousand really get it, and he knows this.

[ourokouros]

BAP has 140k twitter followers right now, as a very obvious example.

Yeah but half of them (at least) are just a part of the blob. No more than a few thousand really get it, and he knows this.

Does this caveat apply to all "famous people", or is he an exception?

[august]

Do people not read the previous posts in a thread before they make one of their own? I've been noticing instances that would suggest so lately.

[kythustra]

It's mostly an issue of having let people whose tastes amount to the equivalent of a stale salami sandwich tell the retards what to like and dislike. 



Wow. A stick figure orgasming while being double-penetrated by the fists of two other stick figures and some schizophrenic scribblings by a black guy. Wow. So avant-garde. Imagine that you're forced to walk around all day with noise-cancelling headphones on and all you're allowed to listen to is a looped conversation between Fran Lebowitz and Larry David on max volume. That's basically where we are. It has become so obvious that women and minorities generally possess little to no self-agency, so they're fine with this arrangement. 

In a Platonic respect, it's not even democracy, it's just full-blown tyranny. You hit on something important though, which is the mass-democratic filter, or the 'bix nood' filter. However, I wouldn't go so far as to group all famous people into this framework. We can say that the Roman general being spontaneously proclaimed emperor by his troops was 'democratic', but was it really? This is an extreme comparison and by no means exactly accurate, but Trump, whatever his faults, is more like an Alexander or a Napoleon than someone who is merely 'elected' in the sense that the people who are really loyal to him would follow him to the ends of the Earth because of a charismatic charm to who he is. There is a level of willingness to follow these types because they offer the best chance of making your own life better to some degree. I know, the whole "Trump is Caesar" thing is Lobian. Whatever. I said it wasn't a perfect comparison and you get my point.





And what his bean counting advisors killed him for ends up being critical to the German economy today. You need an actual aristocracy to cultivate taste and culture. So yeah, ""democracy"" is evil, because forcing people to live amongst ugliness and thwarting anyone who dares to dream about a world otherwise is evil.

Do people not read the previous posts in a thread before they make one of their own? I've been noticing instances that would suggest so lately.

If you're referring to my reply, my apologies. I posted this hastily late last night and only thoroughly read Mason’s reply. I should read more carefully the other replies in the thread before adding to the discussion. Funny that we both mentioned the bix nood filter independently though. EDIT: though now I see you may be referring to ourokouros’ caveat question.

I agree regarding your distinction of Trump as a charismatic leader with followers rather than an ‘elected’ politician.

I think there are interesting parallels between Ludwig’s castles as an example of aristocratic taste and Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate in Palm Beach. For all the kvetching about Trump’s ‘poor taste’ by leftists, they never post pictures of it, because it actually looks really cool and is unabashedly opulent.

[august]

I think there are interesting parallels between Ludwig’s castles as an example of aristocratic taste and Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate in Palm Beach. For all the kvetching about Trump’s ‘poor taste’ by leftists, they never post pictures of it, because it actually looks really cool and is unabashedly opulent.

Totally. His apartment in New York City too. The only thing is the use of the Corinthian capital. He never read his Vitruvius.

[GymChad]

This crab bucket argument is much like the one in music where someone is considered a sellout if they start actually doing good.
At a quick count, BAP has 140k twitter followers right now, as a very obvious example.

My post fully applies to BAP,  loses smartness in accordance to his popularity, which in the grand scheme of things is not that high, but which is higher than, say, Ryan Faulk's, who is much smarter and cooler than "Bronze Age Pervert." Bap is as popular as Nick Fuentes, and so is equally as dumb as him

[GymChad]

This crab bucket argument is much like the one in music where someone is considered a sellout if they start actually doing good.
At a quick count, BAP has 140k twitter followers right now, as a very obvious example.

And that musical argument is correct. Have you heard popular music? I do like stuff from the 70s but I admit I am a musical retard and the stuff I listen to is for kiddies compared to niche 20th century classical composers and stuff like that.

[GymChad]

BAP has 140k twitter followers right now, as a very obvious example.

Yeah but half of them (at least) are just a part of the blob. No more than a few thousand really get it, and he knows this.

Cope lol. Most of baps content is porn and talking like a retard. There is nothing to get, that's how he's popular. Sure, you can argue there's some kernel of neechian soul in some of his older content but that's not what he's made his career on. It's funny how people in this thread are agreeing for everyone except their favorite guilty pleasure. "Yeah junk food sure is bad and for fat people but not my favorite flavor of potato chip, that's totally different, I'm an aristocrat when I eat pizza flavored doritos, you just don't get it!" No it applies to your stuff too ... don't feel too bad, I like some mass entertainers too but at least I know they're watered down content for plebs and that I shouldn't be too serious about my consumption of them.

[august]

It's funny how people in this thread are agreeing for everyone except their favorite guilty pleasure.

Who is doing that?

"Yeah junk food sure is bad and for fat people but not my favorite flavor of potato chip, that's totally different, I'm an aristocrat when I eat pizza flavored doritos, you just don't get it!"

The difference is that I look like the statue of David and they are disgusting fat slobs. You should be able to put two and two together from that.

[calico]

I mostly agree with this sentiment although it could be better articulated. Famous people generally suck because they appeal to normies, but "democracy is evil" isn't an argument. Democracy in real life would be fine if only land-owning White men were allowed to vote. The online "democracy" you describe is even worse than US elections because any user (including felons, foreigners, children, and bots) has an equal opportunity to vote to influence social media algorithms, but a more sensible kind of online democracy could be acceptable.

And what, pray tell, did land-owning men vote to do when they exclusively held the franchise, sir?

Somehow, through sheer force of will, the "Trad-Right" has managed to come up with and even worse system than the Holy Roman Empire-esque status quo. Rather than giving Ben and Jerry's cows an equal say to the state of Texas via the Senate, we should give the noble West Virginians a stranglehold over our nation's tax dollars! So long as they have the right blood quantum and actual deed to the land their trailer lies on, of course. What could possibly go wrong?

I propose a test of aristocracy built for the modern world:

Instead of simply going and registering to vote (for those of you who are not yet of age, this is quite an easy process) you must instead schedule an appearance to sit for an exam before a DMV-like bureaucracy. 

The first question, what does this portrait represent?:



At least a C- must be scored on the subsequent essay to be granted enfranchisement.

Those who pass will be moved on to the second, more serious round. A Voight-Kampff type device (I know, I know: kids these days don't read - it's the thing Ryan Gosling has to do in Blade Runner 2 to figure out if someone's a robot or not) is set up and the matronly Bantu bureaucrat determines whether to send you into the longhouse for the rest of your life or not:



"An eccentric Austrian dictator invites you to visit his favorite 19th century imitation of a Medieval chateau nestled high in the Bavarian alps. After a long and exhausting journey (they built the thing in the middle of the mountains for some reason) you finally glimpse what appears to be some sort of Disney theme park ride left in a state of neglect. Though at first not noticing your reaction Herr Shickelgruber abruptly breaks off his extended monologue on the need for art to represent only a realistic depiction of reality without abstraction for the sake of preserving tradition (18th century style English parliamentary democracy where entire national constituencies can be held by a village of 12 people) to notice you lost in thought.

Your mouth is agape.

Why?"



If your answer is anything less than impotent rage at seeing such a tasteless anachronism be lauded as some sort of architectural accomplishment, or you attempt to lie, you are taken into a back room and forcibly sterilized. There's simply no room in Basedworld for the children of the congenitally retarded.

[august]

[Unfunny Millennial libtardery]

Nice one, calico. Obviously undeserving of a proper response by me, but it's always great seeing you proudly carry the mantle of perhaps the single most mediocre generation of the thousands that mankind has yet produced.

[calico]

Well you can hardly expect someone unable to grasp Basquiat of all people to have the ability to appreciate world class posting.

Hint: focus on the expression.



That doesn't look like a very happy guy right there... what might this say about the mindframe of the artist who painted it? What might he have been trying to convey?

[august]

Looks like shit👍

Sorry I don't share your Williamsburgian sensibilities for The Arts. If I really wanted to grasp something like this I'd just go to Malawi and ask the Humba Dumba tribe if they could show me some of their best rock paintings.