Sinophilia and Maoism

[Leverkühn]

You're incredibly predictable, did you know that? I see your name pop up in a thread, and I can guess down to the letter what you'll say about the topic.

I'm glad I communicate the general shape of my thought so effectively.

It's not so much about communicating effectively. It's more that you post the same thing in every thread no matter the topic. If I see a new Opossum post, I know it's going to be complaining about technology and modern society with a few theological references thrown in. "Technology bad, city bad, take tedpill, Tower of Babel." It's not the most annoying thing but I wish you showed other interests. Or if all you care about is religion you could at least make a thread giving us an interesting reading of the Gospels or a specific Pauline Epistle, but you never do that. No exegesis, no Christology, just shallow references to people's impiety. Even LeftCaths are more interesting in this regard! 

As for "le multipolarity", any sort of extended analysis will quickly reveal it to be an utter farce, chungoid Twitter screeds aside. China is not an American enemy and does not oppose American cultural values in any meaningful way. Russia isn't equipped to be a world power, as shown by its utter failure to pacify even half of Ukraine, a European backwater, with a full combined arms invasion force. Even if it was so equipped, it wouldn't make any difference anyway. Russia still shills for their own flavor of multiculturalism and only takes some mild and largely symbolic action against the great homo-tranny cultural complex. Putin is no more conservative than the average blase Republican.

I think this is mostly right. It's true that China doesn't have a wish to do to them what the US does to China, in the sense of building up military bases near and outside their borders. There isn't going be a challenge to us in the Atlantic, and they also aren't going to be approaching our West Coast. What I think is more likely, if China continues to grow, is they'll become powerful enough where we simply can't challenge them over their violations over, say, not respecting Japanese or SK fishing rights. While China will build up economic and diplomatic relations with the African Continent, it's unlikely they'll ever really have true power projection outside the Asian Continent and parts of the pacific. America has no real challenge to our hegemony over the Western Hemisphere, so the only thing that's at stake is full hegemony over the Pacific-Asian area. Obviously Russia has shown itself to be no threat to the United States in the two months of this conflict against Ukraine.

[Opossum]

If I see a new Opossum post, I know it's going to be complaining about technology and modern society with a few theological references thrown in. "Technology bad, city bad, take tedpill, Tower of Babel." It's not the most annoying thing but I wish you showed other interests.

On the one hand, yes. I care about God a lot. On the other hand, where in this thread have I brought up any of the above? The only flimsy connection I can see is referring to Leviathan, meaning, in my usage, the industrial state, which is incidentally technological but fundamentally organizational. Beyond your atheism (speaking plurally) we have great differences in what we'd consider a goodly, worthwhile society. And if you don't believe in Eternal Life, but place your faith in a competitive victory and salvation by means of the industrial machine, how could we agree? These things have great societal implications. And what then is there for me to say at all, but to cry repentance? (You brought up the topic here, not me.)

Or if all you care about is religion you could at least make a thread giving us an interesting reading of the Gospels or a specific Pauline Epistle, but you never do that. No exegesis, no Christology, just shallow references to people's impiety. Even LeftCaths are more interesting in this regard! 

"As for those who disbelieve, it makes no difference whether you warn them or not: they will not believe."
Just kidding.
My explicitly religious discussion I've contained to the Mormonism thread, where already I've delved into my own reading and testimony somewhat. I wouldn't presently be prepared for a proper discussion of the New Testament or Paul, as I've been intensively studying the Old Testament and related writings for the last year or so, but if you'd like feel free, as it's obviously my favorite topic. Are there people here who would discuss Christology? Doesn't seem like it, from what I've seen.

While China will build up economic and diplomatic relations with the African Continent, it's unlikely they'll ever really have true power projection outside the Asian Continent and parts of the pacific. America has no real challenge to our hegemony over the Western Hemisphere, so the only thing that's at stake is full hegemony over the Pacific-Asian area. Obviously Russia has shown itself to be no threat to the United States in the two months of this conflict against Ukraine.

Wish for the best, prepare for the worst (i.e. nothing changing, or only deepening in the worst ways). Are you preparing? I hope so.

[Birdwatcher]

As for "le multipolarity", any sort of extended analysis will quickly reveal it to be an utter farce, chungoid Twitter screeds aside. China is not an American enemy and does not oppose American cultural values in any meaningful way. Russia isn't equipped to be a world power, as shown by its utter failure to pacify even half of Ukraine, a European backwater, with a full combined arms invasion force. Even if it was so equipped, it wouldn't make any difference anyway. Russia still shills for their own flavor of multiculturalism and only takes some mild and largely symbolic action against the great homo-tranny cultural complex. Putin is no more conservative than the average blase Republican.

Multipolarity doesn't come from "values" per se; it would come from the bare fact of a billion chinks outcompeting Europe and America. China is an enemy to America and Europe by virtue of being Chinese. They don't hold any values, they'll pay lip service to whatever they must until they become relatively hegemonic, then they'll seek to maintain Han supremacy while dressing it up in the garb of internationalism.

[Leverkühn]

Multipolarity doesn't come from "values" per se; it would come from the bare fact of a billion chinks outcompeting Europe and America. China is an enemy to America and Europe by virtue of being Chinese. They don't hold any values, they'll pay lip service to whatever they must until they become relatively hegemonic, then they'll seek to maintain Han supremacy while dressing it up in the garb of internationalism.

This really is the biggest issue going forward for the nation like the US: in virtue of China's population they will always have an incredibly large economy, and with it an incredibly large industrial base, especially so long as they continue to run more of an export economy. The United States has been able to remain equal to China in virtue of our technological innovation: a more thoroughly developed economy and a vastly strong military. Even with One Billion people, China is severely limited by their weak navy. China has more ships, but American ships are better armed. Not only that, America has 11 aircraft carriers to China's 2, and 5 of those are currently stationed in the pacific. So simply in the Pacific alone, China's backyard, the Unites States' has a much stronger naval presence. In this sense it doesn't really matter how many troops the Chinese can field if they can't command the waters to transport them. A successful land invasion of Taiwan would require some level of surprise and even then it's not as if they could extend military power much further. Don't mean to sound like too much of a defender of the US Regime's competency here, but I think people vastly overestimate China's power beyond being an Economic Hub. In the future they may be better equipped to put economic pressure on the United States through a trade 'war' (tariffs), but even in the decades to come they pose little to no military threat.

But going back to the topic of their population. China is beginning to run into some problems there as well. China's birth rate has greatly dropped off since the early 90's and they're currently at 1.7 births/woman, which is the same as the US. As things stand they have an aging problem and will quickly fall into population decline if nothing changes. This issue is made worse if you look at who is having the births in China: it's not the Han. Uyghur's had a much higher birth rate than Han citizens, which I imagine is part of the reasons for whatever actions really are taking place in Xinjiang. Of course they could attempt to save themselves from population decline by importing more immigrants, but as @Birdwatcher pointed out, they're really a Han Supremacist state more than anything. If they're already seeing the necessity in enforcing population control on non-Han ethnic groups, inviting more from other countries seems like it could create massive problems. For a long time China has been able to quickly modernize their economy free of the consequences every other First World Nation faces like demographic problems and ethnic tensions, but those days could soon be coming to a close.

[Birdwatcher]

But going back to the topic of their population. China is beginning to run into some problems there as well. China's birth rate has greatly dropped off since the early 90's and they're currently at 1.7 births/woman, which is the same as the US. As things stand they have an aging problem and will quickly fall into population decline if nothing changes. This issue is made worse if you look at who is having the births in China: it's not the Han. Uyghur's had a much higher birth rate than Han citizens, which I imagine is part of the reasons for whatever actions really are taking place in Xinjiang. Of course they could attempt to save themselves from population decline by importing more immigrants, but as @Birdwatcher pointed out, they're really a Han Supremacist state more than anything. If they're already seeing the necessity in enforcing population control on non-Han ethnic groups, inviting more from other countries seems like it could create massive problems. For a long time China has been able to quickly modernize their economy free of the consequences every other First World Nation faces like demographic problems and ethnic tensions, but those days could soon be coming to a close.

Their racial stock was improved for decades through consumption and a strong education policy. Fundamentally they're in a better place because it seems like every Chinaman knows he's in it with the PRC for the long haul. Hitler noted that the goal of domestic policy is to "secure a people the internal power for its foreign-political assertion," and with the reforms since Deng, China is a nation-state of great flexibility and fanaticism, and the PRC can count on a population willing to devote itself fully to battle with Western powers. I don't buy the standard IQ estimates for the Chinese population due to concerns over accurate sampling, but it seems to be that the Chinese are on an upwards trend re intelligence and talent as well. With those two factors, I think we're in a much weaker spot than them overall. But the point you raise is correct – the two-child policy was disastrous and their birthrate is running into trouble. I think that the Communists'll force alien peoples on the Han anyway, but it'll weaken their stock.

[BillyONare]

Even Bill Gates is saying that corona is a hoax now. Meanwhile people are starving and getting sent to concentration camps in Shanghai because someone got the sniffles. It really shows how subhuman the Chinese and the Chungus Xinophiles are that one of the most villainous and evil white men of The Great Reset looks like a summit of honesty, humanity, and practicality compared to the “competent and kind-hearted” Xi and other “meritocratic” Chinese bureaucrats.

[Guest]

Is there any good exposition on the focus on third world capitalism ( Deng) as being National socialist but zogworld first world capitalism bad!!!! It seems like China is just a way to hate on white people for doing the exact same thing that China is. Kissinger is literally the creator of the modern Chinese economy a spenglerist(western cultural defeatist) who is jewish.

[Leverkühn]

Is there any good exposition on the focus on third world capitalism ( Deng) as being National socialist but zogworld first world capitalism bad!!!! It seems like China is just a way to hate on white people for doing the exact same thing that China is.

I think you answered your own question to a great extent there. Becoming a Chinaboo, for many, is just a reflexive position taken up to shit on America and the West in general. Some ostensibly rw people will talk China up because they dislike the degeneracy of the West and ZOG. More common is the lefty who becomes a Chinaboo because they hate 'Western imperialism' and how 'fascist' the West is. 

If you ask them to reason this position out they might say something like "well in the West the State is beholden to the corporations, but at least in China the State can disappear their billionaires. Nevermind the fact that the State holds a lot of control over businesses here in the West too, they truly think we live in some kind of laissez faire nightmare. Ultimately it's not worth arguing with the reasons behind their position because like I said, it's all in an attempt to announce their hatred for 'The Modern West.' Ultimately it's fine if you hate the governments in Western countries (I do as well), but there's no need to become some Third Worldist faggot that defends the bugmen run ccp.

[Svevlad]

I'm only pro-China as far as my national interests allow me to - the US and the whole Western superstructure seems hell-bent on doing some sort of humiliation ritual, constantly demanding further cuckery, and the Chinese just exist, and are somewhat opposed to them. The instant this situation changes, I will stop caring. They're far, far away...

Plus, if the West is to survive (or better, be reborn), they need a viable competitor, a threat. They do fine in this regard.

[fox]

But going back to the topic of their population. China is beginning to run into some problems there as well. China's birth rate has greatly dropped off since the early 90's and they're currently at 1.7 births/woman, which is the same as the US. As things stand they have an aging problem and will quickly fall into population decline if nothing changes. This issue is made worse if you look at who is having the births in China: it's not the Han. Uyghur's had a much higher birth rate than Han citizens, which I imagine is part of the reasons for whatever actions really are taking place in Xinjiang. Of course they could attempt to save themselves from population decline by importing more immigrants, but as @Birdwatcher pointed out, they're really a Han Supremacist state more than anything. If they're already seeing the necessity in enforcing population control on non-Han ethnic groups, inviting more from other countries seems like it could create massive problems. For a long time China has been able to quickly modernize their economy free of the consequences every other First World Nation faces like demographic problems and ethnic tensions, but those days could soon be coming to a close.

Their racial stock was improved for decades through consumption and a strong education policy. Fundamentally they're in a better place because it seems like every Chinaman knows he's in it with the PRC for the long haul. Hitler noted that the goal of domestic policy is to "secure a people the internal power for its foreign-political assertion," and with the reforms since Deng, China is a nation-state of great flexibility and fanaticism, and the PRC can count on a population willing to devote itself fully to battle with Western powers. I don't buy the standard IQ estimates for the Chinese population due to concerns over accurate sampling, but it seems to be that the Chinese are on an upwards trend re intelligence and talent as well. With those two factors, I think we're in a much weaker spot than them overall. But the point you raise is correct – the two-child policy was disastrous and their birthrate is running into trouble. I think that the Communists'll force alien peoples on the Han anyway, but it'll weaken their stock.

China is not yet a normal nation-state, they are currently attempting to forge one. Of course naturally this will have to take the form of sinicization and assimilation of ethnic minorities, which is being implemented all across minority regions as we speak. IQ estimates for urban populations are correct, but average IQ in rural regions are much lower than that is reported to be the national average of China. The PRC cannot as of yet fully depend on a population willing to devote itself fully to battle with Western powers because even today there is already internal dissent and opposition to what many fear will once more bring poverty and economic ruin to China (coming just after a few decades of rapid economic growth). To strengthen his power and bend the people completely to the state Xi is likely going to try a 2nd Cultural Revolution esque mass movement in the coming years, and we can already see a buildup to that in the way they brutally handled Shanghai and how they're gradually closing the country down. One major ramification of this will be the prevention of brain drain - currently many of the top STEM grads of China's most prestigious universities either go to the West or find employment in a Western corporation so once he traps them inside they will have no other choice but to remain and contribute their talents to Chinese national interests. As for the disastrous birth rate, there really isn't any quick solution since the state can't really force people to just have more kids and govt. incentives don't help much. 

In conclusion I don't think we'll be in a weaker spot, especially not if we manage to move our supply chains out and successfully decouple.

[BillyONare]

Thinking China will ascend and surpass America is like seeing a homeless crackhead get a job at McDonald’s and continue doing crack, and saying “he’s moving up in the world! At this rate he’ll be a millionaire!”

[Guest]

That crackhead? America. The McD's manager selling him crack on the side? China.

[Guest]

>the state can't really force people to just have more kids

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[BillyONare]

That crackhead? America. The McD's manager selling him crack on the side? China.