Sinophilia and Maoism

[Guest]

Also, could you elaborate on that last point? I've seen it on twitter a few times but no one has expanded on why they think so.

This is what I believe happened:

The German invasion of the USSR inflicted so much economic and demographic damage that, combined with the arms race, the USSR's collapse and Russia's fate as a second rate power were sealed.

The war in Asia and nationalist uprisings sponsored by Japan ended the British Empire and every other European empire in the Far East.

Do you have any further insight for someone on this topic? I very much miss the Greater East Asian War thread on Salo.

[Massacre]

Mark Fisher is so dumb. “Try to imagine a 4 dimensional cube…it’s really hard right??? Even people who try to explain 4 dimensional cubes represent it as a 3 dimensional object on a 2 dimensional screen or piece of paper. Heh the tragic irony. I’m suicidal because 3 dimensional propaganda has seeped into people’s mind so much that this is the case.” No shit Sherlock. We live in a universe that is mostly 3 spatial dimensions and our visual cortex is structured to imagine 3 dimensional objects because of that.

Can't help but think Fisher is probably the best present-day example of an ultra-accessible, superficially paradigm-challenging theorist/writer being able to cultivate an oversized audience and impact by basically appealing to (and theoretically couching) his readers' personal and political lameness and feelings of impotence.

Examining that vein of writer/"theorist" probably deserves its own thread.

[Enterobiasis]

To anwer OP's last question is crucial to understand who these people are and why they embrace a worldview that is so idiosyncratic and contradictory-the bulk of those forming wholesome eurasianism are americans who view the mainstream, landback democratic socialist reddit left as boring due to post-Trump overton window shift to the right on social issues and wish to be like the cool alt-right kids media hates, but cant due to traits that the racist right excludes-you will notice how many of them are nonwhites(often asians), homesexuals, trannies, immigrants, sheltered whites afraid of losing social status by aligning with actual right, people who think online right too misogynist, racist, masculine, incelish etc. In short-people who fully embrace the dysgenic WEF globalism but feel better rallying around socrealist poster rather then one done in corporate artstyle.

[Vitilitagation]

Mark Fisher is so dumb. “Try to imagine a 4 dimensional cube…it’s really hard right??? Even people who try to explain 4 dimensional cubes represent it as a 3 dimensional object on a 2 dimensional screen or piece of paper. Heh the tragic irony. I’m suicidal because 3 dimensional propaganda has seeped into people’s mind so much that this is the case.” No shit Sherlock. We live in a universe that is mostly 3 spatial dimensions and our visual cortex is structured to imagine 3 dimensional objects because of that.

Can't help but think Fisher is probably the best present-day example of an ultra-accessible, superficially paradigm-challenging theorist/writer being able to cultivate an oversized audience and impact by basically appealing to (and theoretically couching) his readers' personal and political lameness and feelings of impotence.

Examining that vein of writer/"theorist" probably deserves its own thread.

I don't think Mark Fischer has a big following nowadays. I think the best example of that, and the worst of them, is Slavoj Zizek, whom I hate with great passion.

[Sharmat]

Mark Fisher is so dumb. “Try to imagine a 4 dimensional cube…it’s really hard right??? Even people who try to explain 4 dimensional cubes represent it as a 3 dimensional object on a 2 dimensional screen or piece of paper. Heh the tragic irony. I’m suicidal because 3 dimensional propaganda has seeped into people’s mind so much that this is the case.” No shit Sherlock. We live in a universe that is mostly 3 spatial dimensions and our visual cortex is structured to imagine 3 dimensional objects because of that.

Can't help but think Fisher is probably the best present-day example of an ultra-accessible, superficially paradigm-challenging theorist/writer being able to cultivate an oversized audience and impact by basically appealing to (and theoretically couching) his readers' personal and political lameness and feelings of impotence.

Examining that vein of writer/"theorist" probably deserves its own thread.

I don't think Mark Fischer has a big following nowadays. I think the best example of that, and the worst of them, is Slavoj Zizek, whom I hate with great passion.

Really? It seems to me his ideas have disseminated into the wider alt-left (especially in the UK). The idea of an all pervasive neoliberalism that must be escaped by an active imagination rooted in emerging technologies can be found in Paul Mason's thesis on post-capitalism, any random talk involving Owen Benjamin, Jacobin articles and even certain individuals in the Corbyn campaign. Funnily enough, Zizek has also admitted influence, giving very high praise to capitalist realism both as a thesis and a book (though they also share similar sources; both men are big fans of Frederic Jameson). You can find many clips of him on YouTube reiterating his favorite example of this concept with V for Vendetta, where the movie cuts after the revolution rather than showing you what is to come out of it. 

That being said, I dislike Zizek more than I do Fisher due his superficiality. There is very little to him or his ideas, rather he masks his very conventional slightly authoritarian center-left populism under the guise of deep psychoanalysis and revolutionary communism. This and his shitty humor have made him the pop philosopher of the millennial generation, who are more than happy to receive what they already believe in a seemingly revolutionary and innovative packaging. In general there seems to be a trend in millenials where they are specifically receptive to the idea of "breaking the status quo" with a seemingly more populist version of it.

[Vitilitagation]

The likes of Slavoj Zizek or Mark Fischer are less philosophers than they are journalists. None of them have anything to say about philosophy (political philosophy, mind you) other than notes about punctual current events. That's fair a priori, I think there's a place for that kind of commentary. Slavoj Zizek, however, makes it specially unbearable for his wormish cowardice. All of his positions are word games followed by a clarification in which he fully endorses the status quo. "I would vote for Trump", just because, get this, "Trump is terrible because he breaks with Civility in Politics but that might also make people vote for Bernie Sanders". The worst came with covid. His book is one of the worst pieces I ever read, and in it he loses no time on turning Giorgio Agamben, a man Zizek have been sucking like a leech, into a delusional buffoon he can condescend at will.

The rest of his work other than as a youtuber, that is, his SERIOUS books, are borderline unreadable and so nobody actually does. Lacrimae Rerum is one of the most stupid books I ever read. His book on violence is bearable, but that is because he takes ideas from smarter people than him and gives them the journalistic spin to it.

Slavoj Zizek is a despicable individual and deserves far, far more hatred than he gets.

[Svevlad]

People don't really get China and this causes everything we see. It's yet another case of fetishization of another culture, but far beyond appreciation or whatnot, to the point of basically mental masturbation. "Soy orientalism" - I like it, would extend beyond China to Japan, Korea, India, all of it. Even worse it is when it becomes combined with the insufferable mostly Western ailment of, for no reason at all, vehemently supporting and getting invested in conflicts that have absolutely nothing to do with, which certain elements then use to make money, which makes it even worse.

Funniest are those "based Xi will save the West from degeneracy" people. Brother, they're on the other side of the world. Just because you're used to US world domination being used by a cabal of catamite cultist grifters wearing the remains of the US as a goddamn skinsuit doesn't mean the Chinese, Russians, or whoever will suddenly rise to the top and start regime changing everyone and everything (except they put "based" people in charge or some shit). Then there's fags jacking off to the Chinese system and wanting it implemented worldwide, as if it's not the most ham-fisted, repressive panopticon state ever (or rather, so far), baited by their impressive economic growth and development, which is not even due to the system itself, but a natural conclusion of mobilizing a billion reasonably intelligent people to actually do their jobs and not spend half their life killing each other or starving to death due to an utterly retarded government. These types of people think that a *very* foreign people are willing, interested and even capable of fixing problems of a people and culture that has basically nothing to do with them, which is imbecility.

Anyways, back to soy orientalism in general. There's absolutely no reason why anyone in the US, Europe and heck even bits of Asia should give a single fuck about what happens over there, or even have dogs in that fight. "Hurr Imperial Japan should have genocided China and annexed it all!" Okay, sure, good for them, but why exactly should any of us care? As if then Japan would turn around and start doing basically the exact same shit China gets crapped on, foreign policy wise.

Not to mention, China itself still has great internal issues they have to take care of. Mentioned already is that it's been reduced to very "longhouse" conditions. Government steps to teach boys masculinity or whatever are just 1 step out of many ones needed to fix that issue, but fools still soy the fuck out immediately going ooga booga Chinese world domination means based and redpilled world as if they care or want to fix our problems. As a matter of fact their historical grievances say they might go ahead and try to fuck us over a bit more too.

[BillyONare]

China is a leftist shithole. They literally worship communism, banned bitcoin before any white country did, and are still having massive coronavirus lockdowns in 2022. The Chinese are bugs who are incapable of thinking for themselves. They are not based in any way and they are not going to surpass The West. They are going to degenerate into Maoism and have mass starvation again.

Japan has many great cultural aspects, but is an economic shithole because of Abenomics and their culture of letting old people bleed young people dry in the corporate world. No one will vote him out of office or criticize him because that would be “rude”.

A few months ago people on /pol/ were saying South Korea was run by a feminist death cult, but they just elected a high IQ libertarian president who campaigned against feminism so I think South Korea will be doing the best out of all three, at least for a few years. They are also the only country besides Taiwan that can make semiconductors.

Implementing any sort of communism or democracy is a death sentence to ultra-conformist bug people.

[Svevlad]

I do remember watching a little video on how politically naive the Japs are. "Democracy is when people vote" was the answer most random people gave the interviewer when asked to define it. There's a reason only 1 party has ever ruled the place, and the tendency for all those countries to slip into autocracy and totalitarianism.

Oh well, we'll see. Judging how things are going the entire world population is about to be bottlenecked, maybe this will do them good, solve that conformism problem.

Either way, our position is very simple - "not our problem"

[BillyONare]

It is our problem because we need semiconductors and because we are true global citizens. We need countries with some modicum of freedom and wealth to achieve our goals in and currently every country is dropping the ball. Maybe something you write or some action you take is the difference between France, Japan, SK, etc. being destroyed or becoming a bastion of Logos.

[GreaterKudara]

I do remember watching a little video on how politically naive the Japs are. "Democracy is when people vote" was the answer most random people gave the interviewer when asked to define it. There's a reason only 1 party has ever ruled the place, and the tendency for all those countries to slip into autocracy and totalitarianism.

Oh well, we'll see. Judging how things are going the entire world population is about to be bottlenecked, maybe this will do them good, solve that conformism problem.

Either way, our position is very simple - "not our problem"

Is the dominance of post-war japan by the LDP, which for most of its history has been functionally multiple opposing parties in one, any different from the CDU in Germany? I don't think japanese political trends stem from anything unique culturally, in the pre-war period it was extremely ideologically chaotic and I think out of all east asian countries is most prone to factionalism but the LDP seemed competent enough to provide constant growth in the reconstruction period and there's a decent amount of regional and institutional autonomy (despite centre right dominance in the diet education in japan has historically been controlled by the far left) so the average jap wouldn't have been really forced to care about parliamentary politics which is chiefly responsible for the indifferent climate today. Generally agree with your point tho.

[cats]

Soy orientalism does not apply to Japan. The Norwood spends his time whining about how terrible Japan is, how they have a low birth rate, how they don't accept immigrants, how horrible they were in World War 2. It's precisely the opposite of China, although they are similar in that both are based on outright untruths or things that were only true in 1970 or so. Japan today takes in many more immigrants than they used to, mostly Indians, and self-flagellation over WW2 is more and more common.

[BillyONare]

WiggerKing64 actually wrote a correct tweet https://twitter.com/FischerKing64/status...4278618114

Given the size/intelligence of its population, Japan hasn’t done well in Nobel Prizes. It has won fewer than Sweden with roughly 12x the population & higher average IQ. The ‘Tiger Mom’ notion isn’t everything. Conformist societies that smother individuality lose out on genius.

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Most of the replies to that tweet are retarded. Either saying he's wrong with no evidence or saying "AKSHUALLY" and putting forward some retarded hypothesis.

[Svevlad]

A Serbian diasporoid in Tokyo noted how "stupid" the average Japanese is. It's not like they're unintelligent, but, like, completely bone-headed and going out their way to not know anything outside of some narrow specialization.

Recently I started to think that East Asian societies, and the whole race, suffers from excess "not my problem" mentality that is so fundamental and strong that it turns them basically drones. "Muh Chinese bugmen" is simply a cope, and pretending the Japanese and Koreans aren't basically the same, with their own twists to "not my problem-ism"

[anthony]

A Serbian diasporoid in Tokyo noted how "stupid" the average Japanese is. It's not like they're unintelligent, but, like, completely bone-headed and going out their way to not know anything outside of some narrow specialization.

Recently I started to think that East Asian societies, and the whole race, suffers from excess "not my problem" mentality that is so fundamental and strong that it turns them basically drones. "Muh Chinese bugmen" is simply a cope, and pretending the Japanese and Koreans aren't basically the same, with their own twists to "not my problem-ism"

This sounds more like a description of normalfaggots to me. Last Serb I spoke to said he considers half of the people in his country to be barely human.

[Opossum]

If there's a cure, it is to realise that driving a Ford F-150 Raptor, having a big house in the suburbs and a nuclear family, watching The Big Game and eating at Burger King is actually leagues better than anything any other civilisation can offer, aesthetically and otherwise

My case in point for the hopeless nature and needful abolition of the pigman. (I jest, he's clearly an s-spelling Euro larper, which may be worse, oh well.)

Anyway, I will root for China only insomuch as they present a viable threat, nuclear or otherwise, to the existing governmental structure of the United States. Beyond that, of course, they are abominable, both individually and as Leviathan - whether it be Russia, or China, or America, they are the same.

[Guest]

"the Finns are chinks: confirmed"

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar...9614000920

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>Is the dominance of post-war japan by the LDP, which for most of its history has been functionally multiple opposing parties in one, any different from the CDU in Germany? I don't think japanese political trends stem from anything unique culturally, in the pre-war period it was extremely ideologically chaotic

good point. a certain limited knowledge of psychometrics and "heritability" leaves you totally unable to comprehend the relationship between any given pair of historical periods, and therefore leaves you unable to grasp historical "causality" in any way. for instance, every single individual notable fact about China and Japan in the 19th and 20th centuries prior to trade liberalization with the US can be completely ignored in favor of a schema positing genetically-determined "collectivism" (a concept never to be clarified, so you could Argue against me that the actual problem is the participants in the discussion being a bunch of gibbering retards)

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in case it wasn't clear, the "you" does not refer to the person I quoted, but can be replaced in the sentences with "one"

[Leverkühn]

If there's a cure, it is to realise that driving a Ford F-150 Raptor, having a big house in the suburbs and a nuclear family, watching The Big Game and eating at Burger King is actually leagues better than anything any other civilisation can offer, aesthetically and otherwise

My case in point for the hopeless nature and needful abolition of the pigman. (I jest, he's clearly an s-spelling Euro larper, which may be worse, oh well.)

Anyway, I will root for China only insomuch as they present a viable threat, nuclear or otherwise, to the existing governmental structure of the United States. Beyond that, of course, they are abominable, both individually and as Leviathan - whether it be Russia, or China, or America, they are the same.

[cats]

My case in point for the hopeless nature and needful abolition of the pigman. (I jest, he's clearly an s-spelling Euro larper, which may be worse, oh well.)

Anyway, I will root for China only insomuch as they present a viable threat, nuclear or otherwise, to the existing governmental structure of the United States. Beyond that, of course, they are abominable, both individually and as Leviathan - whether it be Russia, or China, or America, they are the same.

You're incredibly predictable, did you know that? I see your name pop up in a thread, and I can guess down to the letter what you'll say about the topic. Doesn't it get boring, uncritically parroting 2017 wholesome chungus rhetoric like this?

I don't feel very strongly about Suburbia. The main thing to understand is that Suburbia is a great big refugee camp for White people expelled out of their own cities by an influx from the Global South, and they are unquestionably better places to live than those cities. Any argument about "walkable communities", "soulless architecture", etc. is utter triviality. Address the real issue: the urban negro takeover. Taking away freedoms from White people and forcing them to live in shithole cities isn't going to solve that.

As for "le multipolarity", any sort of extended analysis will quickly reveal it to be an utter farce, chungoid Twitter screeds aside. China is not an American enemy and does not oppose American cultural values in any meaningful way. Russia isn't equipped to be a world power, as shown by its utter failure to pacify even half of Ukraine, a European backwater, with a full combined arms invasion force. Even if it was so equipped, it wouldn't make any difference anyway. Russia still shills for their own flavor of multiculturalism and only takes some mild and largely symbolic action against the great homo-tranny cultural complex. Putin is no more conservative than the average blase Republican.

[Opossum]

You're incredibly predictable, did you know that? I see your name pop up in a thread, and I can guess down to the letter what you'll say about the topic.

I'm glad I communicate the general shape of my thought so effectively.

Doesn't it get boring, uncritically parroting 2017 wholesome chungus rhetoric like this?

I have no idea what you were up to in 2017, nor what "wholesome chungus" means (along with half the terms used here - out of touch with the hip based e-movement kids I guess).

I don't feel very strongly about Suburbia. The main thing to understand is that Suburbia is a great big refugee camp for White people expelled out of their own cities by an influx from the Global South, and they are unquestionably better places to live than those cities. Any argument about "walkable communities", "soulless architecture", etc. is utter triviality. Address the real issue: the urban negro takeover. Taking away freedoms from White people and forcing them to live in shithole cities isn't going to solve that.

You will never have your cities back. People who talk about architectural lessons-learned are only speaking to the hypothetical future builders, at least in my reading. On the other hand there's no reason this crowd would necessarily have much overlap with those primarily concerned with capital-w White people, I suppose.
Who is talking about forcing people to live in cities? Maybe I am missing context. I don't think about cities at all, as I never go near them, so the idea of suburbs is horror enough for me.

As for "le multipolarity", any sort of extended analysis will quickly reveal it to be an utter farce, chungoid Twitter screeds aside. China is not an American enemy and does not oppose American cultural values in any meaningful way. Russia isn't equipped to be a world power, as shown by its utter failure to pacify even half of Ukraine, a European backwater, with a full combined arms invasion force. Even if it was so equipped, it wouldn't make any difference anyway. Russia still shills for their own flavor of multiculturalism and only takes some mild and largely symbolic action against the great homo-tranny cultural complex. Putin is no more conservative than the average blase Republican.

You will never have le based third reich. Seethe wignat.