Templism: A New European Paganism
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(06-24-2022, 10:02 AM)The_Author Wrote:
(06-24-2022, 01:06 AM)Fra Longino Wrote: Religion is not a mental game one plays to find the Prisca Theologica of basedness. It requires revelation. I want OP to go into a cave completely separated from Civilization and do nothing but say the name of Jesus over and over again while subsisting on nothing but a slice of bread a day and water for an entire month and then come back and see if any of this makes sense.

Perhaps God will speak to you and confirm the veracity of your claims. Perhaps not. If the latter, it's probably for the best that you leave these matters for the elect.

What you read, was it true or untrue, useful in some way or not useful, and why?
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I refuse to believe anyone that refers to gods as "entities" can be divinely inspired. I also find some suspicion in the idea that one can be inspired by repeating the name of Jesus in a cave, isolated for months. Earlier today, the thought came to me again - as it surely does to everyone - that music since the modern period started has become increasingly negrified - that is, influenced by cultures closer to the period of man's earthly past and ritual drug use. Songs have become completely inundated with rhythm for its own sake. The substance of a song is in its beat, and little more. This is obviously because it clings on to the patterns man sees under the influence of drugs, something that is usually cut away like a hot knife by civcuck sobriety. But this evolution of man's taste in Europe greatly distanced itself from gross rhythm for a reason, and so such ideas of altered states of consciousness like isolation and focused admiration of the monad (as in buddhism) fall into irrelevancy with the new stage of man. Maybe Templists could be niggerlicious prophets, nothing more than raving effeminates.
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(02-05-2023, 12:14 AM)avalon Wrote: I refuse to believe anyone that refers to gods as "entities" can be divinely inspired.

An opponent of the word "entities".

The SUPERSTITION of those who deny my divine influence is apparent. It is always "he didn't live in a cave", "he didn't subsist on bread", "he didn't use the cool sounding words". I am not in the business of emulating prophets of the past.
#23
Since this thread is still active and your substack is also, I'm actually going to read some of your work. I'll report back later.

These "15 tenets" read very blandly. I don't feel soulful reading them. You are spelling out, or at least it feels like you are to me, that you are crafting a religion "for the masses". Compare this with the Catholic Catechism, that is a document I feel is similar to this. It feels soulful because it presupposes the existence of God and then seeks to explain the truth he has shown. You blatantly say that "what god(s) you believe in" is a matter of choice. Who do you think you are? The Bene Gesserit? If so, at least act like it.

Just say you're a Jungian wishing to formulate a religion or whatever.

Wait. Is this substack supposed to be dictated by "The Gods" to the "The Author"? I am asking this because the way it is written is weird. It says "we" when referring to "gods". I can only imagine this either means an inclusive we of "the readers are gods" or the exclusive we of "we are gods transmitting the truth to The Author".
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(02-06-2023, 06:26 AM)Verl Wrote: Since this thread is still active and your substack is also, I'm actually going to read some of your work. I'll report back later.

These "15 tenets" read very blandly. I don't feel soulful reading them. You are spelling out, or at least it feels like you are to me, that you are crafting a religion "for the masses". Compare this with the Catholic Catechism, that is a document I feel is similar to this. It feels soulful because it presupposes the existence of God and then seeks to explain the truth he has shown. You blatantly say that "what god(s) you believe in" is a matter of choice. Who do you think you are? The Bene Gesserit? If so, at least act like it.

Just say you're a Jungian wishing to formulate a religion or whatever.

Wait. Is this substack supposed to be dictated by "The Gods" to the "The Author"? I am asking this because the way it is written is weird. It says "we" when referring to "gods". I can only imagine this either means an inclusive we of "the readers are gods" or the exclusive we of "we are gods transmitting the truth to The Author".

My chief problem with the "Templism" scheme or any other similar products is that religions arise organically and cannot be designed from the ground up with the intent of "creating a religion" in mind. They either emerge from the civilizational evolution of indigenous animistic intuitions and traditions enhanced by the writing and singing of epic sagas by bards of great talent inspired by acts of real heroism (e.g. Greco-Roman polytheism, traditional Chinese religion, Japanese Shinto, Hinduism) or are the result of a group of devoted followers collecting, studying, and commenting on the sayings of a wise prophet (e.g. Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Sikhism). The Templist project makes the fatal mistake of putting the cart before the horse by writing out every doctrine in detail before any acts of heroism or divine madness can be witnesses and inspired the souls of men. The intellect is tickled and excited, yet the soul remains bored and unengaged by such utterly artificial syncretic projects. One act of heroism, one inspiring prophetic speech, even the building of one humble shrine, is worth ten thousand words of carefully planned-out doctrine and dogma. I will concede that you could perhaps begin a religion by writing, but if we are to use successful religions of the past as an example to follow, it would be best for you to publish a collection of wise sayings, an epic heroic saga, and/or a number of inspirational parables and tales. If you inspire the souls of men and relight the fires within, they shall handle all of the business of mundane doctrine themselves. All religious faith is born out of an ignorance of the intellect and an uplifting of the soul.
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It's like, we can be based pagans, but also based tradcaths, and also based esoterics, all without having to actually believe anything!
Where's the actual belief, and more importantly, where's the Hitler?
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(02-06-2023, 06:26 AM)Verl Wrote: These "15 tenets" read very blandly. I don't feel soulful reading them.

I agree with this. This post is not soulful. The soulful posts would be like The Aryan Mythos, Talismans, The Christian God, Numinous Affirmation of Divinity.

You are featured in the post The Untersburg Revelation btw which is also somewhat soulful.

(02-06-2023, 06:26 AM)Verl Wrote: You blatantly say that "what god(s) you believe in" is a matter of choice. Who do you think you are? The Bene Gesserit? If so, at least act like it.

It is a matter of choice, but choice is not truth. It helps me to have more people, rather than less, under my banner. If I must include this theological viewpoint or that so be it. But polytheism is true.

(02-06-2023, 06:26 AM)Verl Wrote: Just say you're a Jungian wishing to formulate a religion or whatever.

I have not yet read Jung.

(02-06-2023, 06:26 AM)Verl Wrote: Wait. Is this substack supposed to be dictated by "The Gods" to the "The Author"?

It is not merely supposed to be. Although it is not said to be dictated but "influenced". "We" refers to the gods. "I" refers to Hermes Trismegistus who as it were dictates the intentions of the other gods.

(02-06-2023, 01:54 PM)JohnnyRomero Wrote: My chief problem with the "Templism" scheme or any other similar products is that religions arise organically and cannot be designed from the ground up with the intent of "creating a religion" in mind. They either emerge from the civilizational evolution of indigenous animistic intuitions and traditions enhanced by the writing and singing of epic sagas by bards of great talent inspired by acts of real heroism (e.g. Greco-Roman polytheism, traditional Chinese religion, Japanese Shinto, Hinduism) or are the result of a group of devoted followers collecting, studying, and commenting on the sayings of a wise prophet (e.g. Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Sikhism).

I found Templism under a leaf.

No, somebody or some group of people must create every religion. Jesus did not find his under a leaf. He spoke it, creating it word by word and deed by deed. Civilizational cultures aniministic indigenous thrnw dwjkd wk whatever, if something is made it must be created. I am creating the destiny of the West.

(02-06-2023, 01:54 PM)JohnnyRomero Wrote: I will concede that you could perhaps begin a religion by writing, but if we are to use successful religions of the past as an example to follow, it would be best for you to publish a collection of wise sayings, an epic heroic saga, and/or a number of inspirational parables and tales. If you inspire the souls of men and relight the fires within, they shall handle all of the business of mundane doctrine themselves. All religious faith is born out of an ignorance of the intellect and an uplifting of the soul.

This is very true and such things are in the works.

(02-06-2023, 02:14 PM)Datacop Wrote: It's like, we can be based pagans, but also based tradcaths, and also based esoterics, all without having to actually believe anything!
Where's the actual belief, and more importantly, where's the Hitler?

This criticism stems from a failure to understand the Templist doctrine of elitist pragmatism, usually resulting from someone only having read 15 Tenets of Templism and nothing else. I am not asserting some kind of relativism. There are religious propositions that are actually true and actually false. Some of them are mandatory and some of them are not. The point is that a religion is not purely a philosophy, also a banner.

I have provided a number of arguments in favor of polytheism. Do you need me to order you to become a polytheist as well? Would this make you feel good inside? Like you are being led? Do you need to be led?

Alright datacop, BECOME A POLYTHEIST, DO IT FOR HITLER
#27
That's all I needed, now I'm a Templist
#28
While I admire your efforts, and in a sense I do wish you some success, I think that ultimately the thing that is holding it back is, from my opinion, that you have failed to convince me that you yourself believe these things. The words of your text are weighed down with social context, book-knowledge, and pragmatic and practical concerns (e.g. "I promote X because it will get more converts," a sentiment no great man of history has ever used to forge his own thoughts) yet seem lacking in passion and spirit. Maybe it's a language barrier thing.

I also believe that you are seriously misguided in your assessment of irony. I am extremely skeptical of this idea that you can convince people to do or believe things purely out of irony and memes. The latter can convince someone to anonymously laugh at an edgy joke, but the normgroid conservative who talks about how the "anime pfp's" "go hard" will never actually in his heart believe in the creeds of said "anime pfp's," certainly not enough to take any real action towards them. All great things come from a spirit of great sincerity. I believe that you are sincere and genuine in your desire for a new religion which can inspire you (I am being generous here, as I do not want to believe that you are trying to design a religion purely as a means to controlling the masses), but I feel as though your doctrines are forced even to yourself. Do not believe, say, or do anything which you do not believe with all your mind, all your heart, and all your flesh. There's my wise proverb.
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I like the idea of "Wotan-as-God", although I'd add to that the idea that "Wotan" also appearing as "Socrates" would be good.

(02-06-2023, 08:06 PM)JohnnyRomero Wrote: While I admire your efforts, and in a sense I do wish you some success, I think that ultimately the thing that is holding it back is, from my opinion, that you have failed to convince me that you yourself believe these things. The words of your text are weighed down with social context, book-knowledge, and pragmatic and practical concerns (e.g. "I promote X because it will get more converts," a sentiment no great man of history has ever used to forge his own thoughts) yet seem lacking in passion and spirit. Maybe it's a language barrier thing.

I also believe that you are seriously misguided in your assessment of irony. I am extremely skeptical of this idea that you can convince people to do or believe things purely out of irony and memes. The latter can convince someone to anonymously laugh at an edgy joke, but the normgroid conservative who talks about how the "anime pfp's" "go hard" will never actually in his heart believe in the creeds of said "anime pfp's," certainly not enough to take any real action towards them. All great things come from a spirit of great sincerity. I believe that you are sincere and genuine in your desire for a new religion which can inspire you (I am being generous here, as I do not want to believe that you are trying to design a religion purely as a means to controlling the masses), but I feel as though your doctrines are forced even to yourself. Do not believe, say, or do anything which you do not believe with all your mind, all your heart, and all your flesh. There's my wise proverb.

Pretty sure the idea is, is that eventually someone will come along and believe it "as-is", and that's when Templism will actually start. It need not be called "Templism" even. The TC is akin to an operator's manual for a machine. I don't think it's suitable to be the religious text of this forthcoming "religion". I think instead it'll be only consulted by the most high offices of the religions, probably in some "Holy of Holies" so as to prevent anyone else from reading it.
The Muad'dib religion in the Dune series was astroturfed by the Bene Gesserit. Those this mean it's not true?*

*There is a difference in that the high offices of the religion can also experience supernatural phenomena (I think).

The Templist Canon may even cease to exist in said religion once the founder(s) have recognised it is no longer necessary to guide it, thus preventing any compromising of the "benign truth" of its creation.
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(02-06-2023, 08:06 PM)JohnnyRomero Wrote: While I admire your efforts, and in a sense I do wish you some success, I think that ultimately the thing that is holding it back is, from my opinion, that you have failed to convince me that you yourself believe these things. The words of your text are weighed down with social context, book-knowledge, and pragmatic and practical concerns (e.g. "I promote X because it will get more converts," a sentiment no great man of history has ever used to forge his own thoughts) yet seem lacking in passion and spirit.

I believe in some parts of Templism but not others. I believe in its utility overall.

Ethos was perhaps appropriate to Jesus converting the Jews. You are a European. You know that arguments are independent of those who make them. I am not going to emulate Jesus, I do not care if "no great man in history has ever" whatever, I am going to do it this way.

Besides, what would you expect of someone who speaks on someone else's behalf? Someone who speaks on behalf of the gods? It is quite natural, since their statements come from others, that they would not always personally agree with them. 

(02-06-2023, 08:06 PM)JohnnyRomero Wrote: Do not believe, say, or do anything which you do not believe with all your mind, all your heart, and all your flesh. There's my wise proverb.

This is an incredibly naive proverb.

(02-06-2023, 08:06 PM)JohnnyRomero Wrote: I also believe that you are seriously misguided in your assessment of irony. I am extremely skeptical of this idea that you can convince people to do or believe things purely out of irony and memes.

I don't think that you can do so purely out of irony. Templism is not purely, or even notably, ironic anyway. Memes are another matter, since not all memes are ironic. Templism is a meme. The more a meme is repeated, and made to be present, in the mind of the NPC, the more he believes it. His beliefs are simply what occupy his mind. They are nothing more than memes.

(02-06-2023, 08:27 PM)Verl Wrote: Pretty sure the idea is, is that eventually someone will come along and believe it "as-is", and that's when Templism will actually start. It need not be called "Templism" even. The TC is akin to an operator's manual for a machine. I don't think it's suitable to be the religious text of this forthcoming "religion". I think instead it'll be only consulted by the most high offices of the religions, probably in some "Holy of Holies" so as to prevent anyone else from reading it.

Yes indeed, the idea is that as the meme advances, people will come to believe it "as-is". A few people have already done so.

Although, the idea is also that some people will come along to believe it "as propaganda", and that I would not exclude either type of person from taking up my banner, because both types of people are useful to me.

I would not wish to restrict the text to "high offices", though what you say is true in some sense. I wish to produce more "non-rational" and "lower IQ" Templist propaganda. As JohnnyRomero said, stories, art, etc. This type of propaganda is accessible to a lower type of person. Yet, the main text is still there for those who care to read it. For priests, and astute Templists, who can guide lay people according to the actual philosophy rather than according to mere art.

(02-06-2023, 04:45 PM)Datacop Wrote: That's all I needed, now I'm a Templist

"Welcome to the Empire"
#31
I believe that nothing good, great, mighty, or beautiful has ever been done out of an ultimate spirit utility, pragmatism, rational self-interest, or practical material benefit. That mindset is that of the petty peasant, of the scheming bureaucrat, of the uninspired engineer. All great things are born out of a free spirit of abandon, joy, exuberance, and freedom from the crushing gravity of filthy concerns of utility. Worst of all is the consideration of the opinions of the masses! The masses are insects, fungal cells, and their opinions and tastes should NEVER be taken into account. You prostitute your very soul by doing such a thing! All greatness is born of the free and unconstrained exuberant expression of the inner desires and Will of the genes and spirits of Great Men, and the masses follow suit after being amazed by their example. The masses have NEVER been "convinced of" or "converted to" anything - great men assume power, they MOG their elite competitors and the masses below both of them, and the masses SUBMIT without question. As it stands now, any attempt to artificially forge a "based" religion based off of mere human intellect (which, being the youngest and least-evolved of the human mental and spiritual faculties, remains mostly stupid and misguided) and the material and utilitarian concerns with which it busies itself will follow the same fate as the hundreds of previous "based" artificial religions that have gone before (e.g. Asatru, Church of Creativity, and the various "based" religions of 2014 /pol/, of which your writings carry the trademark odor) :- that is, it shall fall into obscurity. Let me ask you - would you die for Templism? Even if there was no material benefit to Templism itself or anyone else afterwards? Would you die for Templism even if this meant you being the final Templist? Is your faith in your creed assured beyond all doubt?

I may sound harsh, but I only speak so because I recognize the nobility of your soul, its intentions, and even this project - yet I cannot ignore its fatal flaws, and I do not wish to permit a Brother to waste his energy on something which I believe is for nought!

The distinct Germanness (in the narrow, lower, Alpine peasant and city burger sense) of such a project is easy to smell as well - Nietzsche did not go far enough in his assessment to Kant, and failed to expand that there exists within the German people not just the Chinaman of Königsberg, but also the Chinamen of all Europe. Post cephalic index.

(02-07-2023, 01:14 PM)The_Author Wrote: Yes indeed, the idea is that as the meme advances, people will come to believe it "as-is". A few people have already done so.

Although, the idea is also that some people will come along to believe it "as propaganda", and that I would not exclude either type of person from taking up my banner, because both types of people are useful to me.

I would not wish to restrict the text to "high offices", though what you say is true in some sense. I wish to produce more "non-rational" and "lower IQ" Templist propaganda. As JohnnyRomero said, stories, art, etc. This type of propaganda is accessible to a lower type of person. Yet, the main text is still there for those who care to read it. For priests, and astute Templists, who can guide lay people according to the actual philosophy rather than according to mere art.

You shed your skin and reveal the Chinaman within. Stories, art, symbols, are the HIGHEST form of expression, and fly far and above the petty intellect of mere words. As the soul is to the Living, so the intellect is the Dead. Words and rational, conscious intellect in man are half-formed, undeveloped, and all-around RETARDED. A picture is worth a thousand words - and an ACTION (one made not for a thought-through reason, but out of an intuitive and unthinking spirit of action itself) is worth a thousand pictures! For someone who is supposedly rejecting "Semitic Abrahamism," your intellectual masturbatings are infested with Semitic logocentrism. No mere "idea," no matter how "interesting" or "convincing" has ever truly motivated someone to do something great, or dare I say even something worthwhile. The intellect and the mind are but tools of the spirit, that which words and mind are too retarded and primitive to properly describe.
#32
There are many church espousers who have no love nor any belief. The 0hp's of the world are small souled bugmen.

You have the idea that this is something which ought to exist, based on an abstract principle or sense of symmetry outside of it, but you don't have any reason why this should exist internal to itself. Everything has to justify its own existence without relying on anything else. This is below the level of a secular solstice celebration, and you know it.
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(02-07-2023, 04:54 PM)kirukuni Wrote: you don't have any reason why this should exist internal to itself. Everything has to justify its own existence without relying on anything else. This is below the level of a secular solstice celebration, and you know it.

"He has only read 15 Tenets of Templism"

(02-07-2023, 03:35 PM)JohnnyRomero Wrote: The distinct Germanness (in the narrow, lower, Alpine peasant and city burger sense) of such a project is easy to smell as well - Nietzsche did not go far enough in his assessment to Kant, and failed to expand that there exists within the German people not just the Chinaman of Königsberg, but also the Chinamen of all Europe. Post cephalic index.

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You shed your skin and reveal the Chinaman within. Stories, art, symbols, are the HIGHEST form of expression, and fly far and above the petty intellect of mere words. As the soul is to the Living, so the intellect is the Dead. Words and rational, conscious intellect in man are half-formed, undeveloped, and all-around RETARDED.

This "Chinaman" archetype you identify is a SAXON. Saxons are practical people. They wish to accomplish things in the world. They understand things coldly, as they are. Not according to abstractions. They see the things that exist, as they appear, and think of how they might manipulate them to the desired configuration.

You call this a Chinaman archetype because "Nietzsche, a poet who aroused my emotions, said so". Your attached waffle is effeminate. You use words like PEASANT, SCHEMING BUREAUCRAT, CHINAMAN, PROSTITUTE, INSECTS, DEAD INTELLECT, because they evoke emotions. You call glorify these emotions by calling them SPIRIT or SOUL.

So what, should I and others join you in your effeminacy? This is nothing more than gf throwing a tantrum.

That fact that some people, like yourself in this instance, are emotional, is a fact to be reckoned with. Therefore is it necessary to create stories, art, myths, and so on. I agree with you on that point very much.

The question raised concerns the SUPERIORITY or INFERIORITY of emotional thought processes compared to the alternative. As such, which should be the BASIS of an ideal religion. On this point I am not interested in arguing with women. It should suffice to suggest the relative success enjoyed by rational, and especially SAXON, populations, compared to their irrational "spirited" counterparts.

Templism: Nemet Oure Saxas!
#34
The Templist vanguard must and will be a certain type of person.

This type of person is not a temperamental picky eater. The child who complains that his foods are touching, when he has a perfectly good meal before him. "My foods are touching": "Templism lacks soul", "The Author didn't live in a cave", "pragmatic concerns are dirty, icky", "it seems artificial", "The Author doubts his own words", "The Author doesn't remind me of Jesus".

He will ask himself two questions:

1. Is it true?

2. Is it useful?

To the extent that it is either, he will support it.

He is a NOBLE EUROPEAN KNIGHT who BLAZES, WITH THE AUTHOR, HIS OWN IMPERIAL PATH.

Your effeminate abstractions can be fucking completely slaughtered with extreme ease. They are nothing. Just grumblings. Just words that release feelings into your bloodstream. My blood is cold. Make an argument. It is not true, it is not useful, because:
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(02-07-2023, 11:16 PM)The_Author Wrote: The Templist vanguard must and will be a certain type of person.

This type of person is not a temperamental picky eater. The child who complains that his foods are touching, when he has a perfectly good meal before him. "My foods are touching": "Templism lacks soul", "The Author didn't live in a cave", "pragmatic concerns are dirty, icky", "it seems artificial", "The Author doubts his own words", "The Author doesn't remind me of Jesus".

He will ask himself two questions:

1. Is it true?

2. Is it useful?

To the extent that it is either, he will support it.

He is a NOBLE EUROPEAN KNIGHT who BLAZES, WITH THE AUTHOR, HIS OWN IMPERIAL PATH.

Your effeminate abstractions can be fucking completely slaughtered with extreme ease. They are nothing. Just grumblings. Just words that release feelings into your bloodstream. My blood is cold. Make an argument. It is not true, it is not useful, because:

1. Templism is not true, because you are clearly just making it up by cobbling together bits and bobs from dead European religions and occult traditions to try and make something "based."

2. It is not useful, because (as far as I believe, and you have done nothing to convince me otherwise) no one is ever going to actually live their life based on some very obviously artificial and forced Substack "religion."

There's a reason why "forced meme" is an insult. People, even (or especially) normalfags, can sniff it out from a mile away, and find it repulsive. And what you are bitching and moaning about in your condemnation of the "temperamental picky eater" (anti-autism rhetoric, key Norwood tell, post hairline) is in essence you railing against anyone having any standards at all. Your made-up religion feels fake (and all religion is based on feeling, NOT rationality - the mindset of "Nietzsche, a poet who aroused my emotions, said so" inspired the Reich, along with Hitler's emotionally rousing speeches - the Third Reich had NO coherent ideology), and everyone who sees it knows it immediately. You receive occasional half-hearted "Yeah, Templism is totally epic dude!" affirmations, but all of them are at best done in passing jest. You are a tranny of a prophet. Religions are inherently based on intuition and emotion, which are the Why of man's existence. Rationality is only a tool, the How of life. You cannot make a religion, of all things, while rejecting anything that doesn't fit into your thoroughly modernized and bastardized narrow view of "rationality" (a cartoonish caricature of actual rationality).

In addition, I find it amusing that, in spite of your railings against "emotion" and your assertions that you are "rational" and "cold of blood," your first instinct when confronted with reasons as to why this whole program with which you are investing so much of your time and energy might not work out is to call me a "child," to all-caps your screeds of being a noble knight, and telling me that my arguments can be "fucking completely slaughtered with extreme ease" (heh, nothing personnel, kid!) - embarrassing!
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(02-08-2023, 10:30 AM)JohnnyRomero Wrote: There's a reason why "forced meme" is an insult. People, even (or especially) normalfags, can sniff it out from a mile away, and find it repulsive. And what you are bitching and moaning about in your condemnation of the "temperamental picky eater" (anti-autism rhetoric, key Norwood tell, post hairline) is in essence you railing against anyone having any standards at all. Your made-up religion feels fake (and all religion is based on feeling, NOT rationality - the mindset of "Nietzsche, a poet who aroused my emotions, said so" inspired the Reich along with Hitler's emotionally rousing speeches - the Third Reich had NO coherent ideology), and everyone who sees it knows it immediately. You receive occasional half-hearted "Yeah, Templism is totally epic dude!" affirmations, but all of them are at best done in passing jest. You are a tranny of a prophet.

To Play Devils Advocate on the “all religion is based on feeling, NOT rationality” might I bring up Islam. It’s essentially just a made up religion contrived from parts Abrahamic, superstitious originating in the Middle East, and a legalistic frame work. If any religion could be said to be based off that of rationality and not some grander emotions it would be Islam, and it seems to be doing pretty good(even if among subhuman incest-ridden Arabs). 

(This post is not endorsing Islam but proving that a religion based off a rational and not more emotional basis can become popular and flourish)
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(02-07-2023, 09:10 PM)The_Author Wrote: This "Chinaman" archetype you identify is a SAXON. Saxons are practical people. They wish to accomplish things in the world. They understand things coldly, as they are. Not according to abstractions. They see the things that exist, as they appear, and think of how they might manipulate them to the desired configuration.
Ah yes, and as we know from Kant, Hegel, Schopenhauer, Nietzsche, Spengler, and Hitler, Germans have never been given to any sort of abstraction or idealism whatsoever. Yep, most definitely completely materialistic and cynical men, bereft of all higher insight. In all seriousness, what you identify as the "Saxon" archetype is that of the buck-broken post-WWII German slave caste, the loyal factory workers of the American Imperium. The passionate, strong-feeling true Saxons, hot of blood and passionate in life, were almost entirely exterminated in WWII. As per Adolf himself:
Quote:If the war is lost, the nation will also perish. This fate is inevitable. There is no necessity to take into consideration the basis which the people will need to continue even a most primitive existence. On the contrary, it will be better to destroy these things ourselves, because this nation will have proved to be the weaker one and the future will belong solely to the stronger eastern nation (Russia). Besides, those who will remain after the battle are only the inferior ones, for the good ones have all been killed.



Quote:You use words like PEASANT, SCHEMING BUREAUCRAT, CHINAMAN, PROSTITUTE, INSECTS, DEAD INTELLECT, because they evoke emotions. You call glorify these emotions by calling them SPIRIT or SOUL.

I use those words because they precisely describe what I am seeing here (the purpose of language). And you seek to make a religion which people will believe in, while denouncing even the ideas of Spirit and Soul - any true German, a real European pagan of the old type, would not understand what you are seeking to do. As previously mentioned, your purportedly "Saxon" rationalism and cynical utilitarian unbelief in your own creed is a pure Modernism, utterly anachronistic for the old pagan deities for whom you purport to speak. I see your feeling, your passion, your emotion and your spirit - but I want you to embrace them as necessary, to not just think your faith but to feel it and live it! I hope to awaken a truly Saxon passion within you, to make you question and doubt everything, so that the Iron of your Will may be as hard as possible.

(02-08-2023, 10:44 AM)Guest Wrote: To Play Devils Advocate on the “all religion is based on feeling, NOT rationality” might I bring up Islam. It’s essentially just a made up religion contrived from parts Abrahamic, superstitious originating in the Middle East, and a legalistic frame work. If any religion could be said to be based off that of rationality and not some grander emotions it would be Islam, and it seems to be doing pretty good(even if among subhuman incest-ridden Arabs). 

(This post is not endorsing Islam but proving that a religion based off a rational and not more emotional basis can become popular and flourish)

Islam was made of bits and bobs of Abrahamic superstitions, but the core of its doctrines and most motivating statements were not carefully planned out by Muhammad in the pursuit of maximum social utility - this element existed, but it was an after-effect of religious passion. Muhammad's doctrines pierced him in the midst of his frequent epileptic seizures. He spoke with great poetic and emotional flourish and beauty of speech what he heard in his emotional and irrational fits of somatic passion - and conquered half the world because of it. Muslims then and now do not use rational or social utilitarian arguments to justify their faith, but rather they often use the emotional and intuitive beauty of the words of the Qu'ran itself (which are quite bereft of much deep doctrine or well thought-out ideas - Schopenhauer correctly calls it the poorest form of theism) as the proof of the divine truth of Islam. The rational element is found in faiths (as in the previously-given example of the Catholic Catechism), but I have yet to know of an example where it does not come well after the emotional passion. You can use rational intellect to convince people to make minor changes to the day-to-day affairs of their lives, but you can only use emotional passion and intuition to convict people to throw their lives totally in favor of a cause.
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Coalers, Templism will feel very real when an Inquisitor lists you on the bitcoin assassination market.

Forced memes can be good. See keyed and Sneed.
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(02-08-2023, 10:53 AM)JohnnyRomero Wrote: The passionate, strong-feeling true Saxons, hot of blood and passionate in life, were almost entirely exterminated in WWII.

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your purportedly "Saxon" rationalism and cynical utilitarian unbelief in your own creed is a pure Modernism, utterly anachronistic for the old pagan deities for whom you purport to speak. I see your feeling, your passion, your emotion and your spirit - but I want you to embrace them as necessary, to not just think your faith but to feel it and live it! I hope to awaken a truly Saxon passion within you, to make you question and doubt everything, so that the Iron of your Will may be as hard as possible.

Ernst Junger: "You will not find a man in the whole army who can be relied upon so implicitly to do his duty simply and without fuss as the man of Lower Saxony. When there was the need to prove, ‘Here stands a man, and if need be here he falls' not one of them ever wavered. It showed great self-mastery to leave the security of the deep dugout and face the storm of fire during those days in the trenches when the trench-mortar bombs were exploding by the hundred and when the flanking battery swept us with shrapnel and when bits and splinters were hurtling all ways. In the open field there may be some pleasure in showing your courage, but it is another thing to clench your teeth and to go to your post alone in the night and under fire. It is just this quality of courage that I have always marvelled at in those quiet, fair-haired Saxons."

Junger: "This attitude of reserve which is typical of the Lower Saxon made the relations between officer and men work very smoothly."

Where are you conjuring these "hot blooded" Saxons from? It is just a polemic. You are being an effeminate sophist.

At the very least my sophistry is overt sophistry. Your "profound truth" is womanish rambling without any self honesty and without purpose. You DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

(02-08-2023, 11:28 AM)BillyONare Wrote: Coalers, Templism will feel very real when an Inquisitor lists you on the bitcoin assassination market

They will not be Inquisitioned if they can instead be Used. Even whining poets are Imperials, if they are based. Inferior Imperials.

(02-08-2023, 10:30 AM)JohnnyRomero Wrote: 1. Templism is not true, because you are clearly just making it up by cobbling together bits and bobs from dead European religions and occult traditions to try and make something "based."

The origin of something is not its rationale. Has nothing to do with its truth or falsehood. Genetic fallacy.

(02-08-2023, 10:30 AM)JohnnyRomero Wrote: 2. It is not useful, because (as far as I believe, and you have done nothing to convince me otherwise) no one is ever going to actually live their life based on some very obviously artificial and forced Substack "religion."

They will and I will make them do so.

(02-08-2023, 10:30 AM)JohnnyRomero Wrote: In addition, I find it amusing that, in spite of your railings against "emotion" and your assertions that you are "rational" and "cold of blood," your first instinct when confronted with reasons as to why this whole program with which you are investing so much of your time and energy might not work out is to call me a "child," to all-caps your screeds of being a noble knight, and telling me that my arguments can be "fucking completely slaughtered with extreme ease" (heh, nothing personnel, kid!) - embarrassing!

I am doing this for you. I know you are incapable of Pure Reason.

This is also why I am going on with the "Saxon" argument. It is not actually relevant, in any way, if I am called a "Saxon" or a "Chinaman". But "Chinaman" puts bad chemicals in your hormonal bloodstream, while "Saxon" puts good chemicals. Thus if I can prove that Templism is Saxon, as I have decisively via Junger, you must begin to receive these good chemicals.

It is for this reason that the dispassionate is superior to the passionate. The chemicals in your blood are the strings from which your limbs can be pulled. The dispassionate man has fewer strings. He can think, coldly, about when and how to pull yours.
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Since you, in your emotionality, will soon forget: let me remind you, that I do not represent the repudiation of the passions, but their proper subjugation, as with the subjugation of woman to man.



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