The Death of Siegetardism
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(03-24-2023, 11:42 AM)carcinoEugenicist Wrote: I would argue that it's less a 'worldview' than it is an aesthetic preference comorbid with certain kinds of effeminate ennui. These are sensitive young men in the worst meaning of every word, the right wing equivalent of 'anti-work anarcho communists', they have no prescriptive plan for things - only a plan for how they will circlejerk about having been Above this Fallen World all along. I fucking hate this personality type.

Yes, but if we ask anyway we might get something interesting to observe. Going to actually read Guest's post now, let's see what we got. Okay good start, this time he's at least outright stating he is going to arbitrarily declare us other people he has argued with in the past and talk as such.

(03-24-2023, 11:26 AM)Guest Wrote:
(03-24-2023, 10:26 AM)anthony Wrote: ...

This is hilarious. Cute, even. Reminds me of some fag on Twitter that I was arguing with. They were basically saying what you guys like to say, how Hitler was this completely normal practical dude. My point was that Hitler was literally a revolutionary who stood against every established power on the globe and created an entirely new vision for the future. Of course the fag responded that my comment was just edgy drivel and that people like me were a more sour legacy of Hitler than the kike atrocity propaganda. Moments like those really give insight into just how deranged and deeply engrossed in your own fantasy you people are. It's funny to me that you want this amoral imperialist meritocratic regime when you are already living in it. Sure it peddles degeneracy to the masses to keep them passive, but otherwise it has everything you want. A huge MIC used at the whim of the elites unscrupulously. A national doctrine that champions the superiority of your people over the savage aliens outside the walls. So of course you're not really opposed to any of it. You think White guys should join the military, police, political structure. You think White guys should get into business and finance and become engrossed in the system of capital. You're right wing after all, not revolutionary. All that being said, I'm not going to take your shit about my "misreading" of Hitler, I'm not going to play into this paradigm where your plan is a "considered and reactive response". You people are unabashed amoral opportunists, so we fundamentally disagree, and there's nothing else about "this worldview" you need to know about. Why would I explain myself to a kike?

You have an entire forum full of verbose people here but you would rather dump your shower-thoughts on a twitter-fight you lost however long ago. Start again. Make it new.

Do you not see how smoothly you are attempting to slide from what "the fag" thinks to "you", "your own", etc? Do you not see why that makes trying to respond to particular things you write pointless? You obviously aren't interested in talking to anybody here. If you keep this up more and more people will just have to figure some nobody on twitter completely mindbroke you so hard you can't stop shadowboxing his memory.
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(03-24-2023, 12:07 PM)Chud Wrote:
(03-24-2023, 11:26 AM)Guest Wrote: A huge MIC used at the whim of the elites unscrupulously. A national doctrine that champions the superiority of your people over the savage aliens outside the walls. So of course you're not really opposed to any of it.

Always a pleasure to find another demented specimen mentally stuck in 2004, for ever and ever, without any hope of escape. These things were ubiquitous on the tubes when I was a wee todger; but I figured that by now they'd all be in nursing homes that limited their internet access.

Given that even political compass troons on reddit share a similar feeling to you about this 2004, John Stewart-Collin Woodard, Bush-era liberal conspiratard schizophrenia, you would think that it would be less commonly believed.

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#23
(03-24-2023, 11:49 AM)JohnnyRomero Wrote: ...

I apologize for the antisemitic canard, Moshe. I'll try to be more mindful in the future. Let me guess, you also think viewing Israel as an apartheid state is a classic harmful misconception?

(03-24-2023, 11:42 AM)carcinoEugenicist Wrote: ...

"You have no prescriptive plan" as if you've even read Siege. All "siegetards" discuss is plans, because they don't have time to elucidate the cultural implications of 2010s Cartoon Network unlike other groups. I love how you act like you aren't just normies safely and anonymously discussing abstract theory from the comfort of your homes. You never had to actually combat and face the persecution of the system, you just read the news articles of when that happened to others. This is the paragon of White virtue, this is the embodiment of the Will to Power? Well obviously not if you would stop circlejerking over pictures of half naked men and anime girls for one second. But yes, tell me more about how Hitler would be an anonymous shitposter who believes White men should try to engrain themselves in the current regime and discourage "radical talk" because it's "bad optics" and will get you arrested etc.
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(03-24-2023, 12:25 PM)Guest Wrote:
(03-24-2023, 11:42 AM)carcinoEugenicist Wrote: ...

But yes, tell me more about how Hitler would be an anonymous shitposter who believes White men should try to engrain themselves in the current regime and discourage "radical talk" because it's "bad optics" and will get you arrested etc.

Meds now. This forum and its circle are the home of "billions must die" and "total nigger death," if you think we're "optics fags" you have the comprehensive ability of a low-IQ trailer trash methhead (which, as a Siegefag, you probably are).


Quote:All "siegetards" discuss is plans


They have been "discussing plans" for 5 years now and nothing has yet come to fruition. All that the Siegetards have ever accomplished is killing each other over petty drama and getting arrested for publicly announcing their "plans" because they have no OPSEC, they are not serious revolutionary actors, they are internet LARPers who get a rush off of pretending to be the big, bad, evil, caricature of the Satanic Natzee which they learned about in public grade school and Hollywood movies. While Siegefags like to pretend that they're serious, scary political actors, their impact on the world is actually far lesser than that of any non-extinct minor DR Twitter sphere who lack any such delusional pretenses.

Quote:You never had to actually combat and face the persecution of the system
Neither has any Siegefag. You do not "combat" anything, you fantasize about playing Fallout IRL in a Discord chatroom after you get home from your day job in an Amazon Warehouse. Your "persecution" is entirely avoidable, self-inflicted, and pointless, as the various Siegefag arrests have served only to make them ever more of a laughing stock. No Siegefag has ever accomplished anything other than playing the role of the perfect enemy for the System, a monstrous caricature of National Socialism which is tailor-made to frighten off normal white people and only attract the worst sort of ugly, dysfunctional, low-impulse control white niggers who haunt the trailer parks and abandoned factories of the American South and Midwest. The closest thing in actual NS Germany which Siegefaggotry approximates is the Dirlewanger Division, a symptom of the impending death of the Reich which Hitler would have certainly liquidated in its entirety had he won the War.

(03-24-2023, 12:25 PM)Guest Wrote:
(03-24-2023, 11:49 AM)JohnnyRomero Wrote: ...

I apologize for the antisemitic canard, Moshe. I'll try to be more mindful in the future. Let me guess, you also think viewing Israel as an apartheid state is a classic harmful misconception?

The sheer inability to comprehend the meaning of any post by our Dear Guest here is genuinely amusing. Please stick around. I like being cast as a JIDF shill for using the word "canard." Also Israel is a nationalist, racist, genocidal, white supremacist, colonialist apartheid state and that's a good thing. Like Hitler, I am a staunch Zionist and pro-Israel.
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(03-24-2023, 10:26 AM)anthony Wrote: ...

(03-24-2023, 12:07 PM)Chud Wrote: ...

Incredibly relevant points from both of you. Lots to consider and address.

(03-24-2023, 11:14 AM)The_Author Wrote: Fuck them, it's eugenic. Hitler would approve.

At least this user doesn't mask his beliefs. I like that, being openly pro-jew. It's a rare and interesting take with many dimensions.
#26
(03-24-2023, 12:25 PM)Guest Wrote: All "siegetards" discuss is plans


Then results up to now speak quite poorly on the strength of these discussions and their participants. Also, 'you aren't facing oppression' monkeyshines to try and bootstrap yourself into moral authority is *never* gonna work for anybody who isn't favored by the incumbent ideology, so please stop doing that as it's just bad argumentation regardless. Showing up to public beer hall political debates was the Weimar equivalent of anonymous shitposting, and Hitler made sure to stuff every available position in the state with his people throughout his pre-empowering act career. You have a poor understanding of Hitler.
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(03-24-2023, 12:42 PM)JohnnyRomero Wrote: ...

You're more fun than the others at least. I don't care which shitty memes you guys are fans of, it's clear you have no coherent dissident ideology and everything you discuss is the abstract fantasy of a normie. An incredibly autistic and porn addicted one for the most part. Your rhetoric is coded in complex contradictions and coated in heaps of disaffected irony. Nothing revolutionary or even engaging to the intellect. Also love the subtle nod to class division from a supposed national socialist.

It's true, there isn't much valuable action in the sphere. And compared to the DR as a whole, there is a case to be made that Siegetards are worse because they've been actively harmful instead of merely impotent and misdirecting. Still I see potential in this worldview and these symbols and goals, despite the constant crisis of the movement.

Also true. For many who partake in this, it's just an edgy larp with underlying degenerate motives. This narrative of being the "perfect golem" is strange though. Saying that these groups actively advance the regime's interests gives them a lot of credit. Being able to stoke division and advance the progressive agenda from the comfort of one's discord server would be quite the feat. I would say the system is the agent, placing agency on specific groups is a miscalculation of the system's power.

How funny. Insert lion_roaring.gif

(03-24-2023, 01:04 PM)carcinoEugenicist Wrote: ...

Sure, we can pretend Hitler's rise to power was somewhat equivalent to the modern notion of infiltration. How are you going to pull it off? It's unfathomable, a completely impractical and impossible idea. But maybe you can explain to me how you totally have a considered and reactive plan to achieve this. Metaphorically updooting the idea constantly with post after post doesn't say or prove anything, why are you really so sold on this scheme?
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(03-24-2023, 01:18 PM)Guest Wrote: Also love the subtle nod to class division from a supposed national socialist.

When did I claim to restrict myself to the ideological straigthjacket of nominal "National Socialism?" If you're referring to my denigration of the biological refuse that passes for "white" in much of America, I refer you to the following poster:
[Image: MA]
Hitler's nominal "ideology" was an incoherent hodgepodge of popular ideas (socialism, nationalist patriotism, etc.) to rally Germans to vote for him. His ultimate goal was the creation of a new, eugenic society of superhumans. The Slavic peasants of his day are equivalent to the methheads of modern America - nominally "white," but demonstrably subhuman in appearance and behavior. Why should I feel some loyalty to such biological refuse? Hitler certainly didn't - he didn't even have the patriotic, masses-serving "love of the German people" that many claimed he did, at least not to the same extent. When he felt that Germany had proven itself weak and inferior by losing the war and failing to let him enact his own personal vision for the world, he ordered the destruction of the German nation in a Maccabbean act of self-immolation.
#29
(03-24-2023, 01:47 PM)JohnnyRomero Wrote: ...

My bad, I forgot that you're a non-natsoc Hitlerist. Which is totally a real practical ideology and not a shitty meme for edgy larpers. I thought I was actually getting somewhere in this argument and that a mutual dialectical framework could be reached but then I remember that shit like this is the meat and potatoes of your worldview. Deluded and unsalvageable to the core, which shows the effect that this "non-Nazi DR sphere" can have on a man's psyche.
#30
(03-24-2023, 01:18 PM)Guest Wrote: Sure, we can pretend Hitler's rise to power was somewhat equivalent to the modern notion of infiltration. How are you going to pull it off? It's unfathomable, a completely impractical and impossible idea. But maybe you can explain to me how you totally have a considered and reactive plan to achieve this. Metaphorically updooting the idea constantly with post after post doesn't say or prove anything, why are you really so sold on this scheme?

What do you mean infiltrate? Hitler ran as the head of his own political party, and very loudly campaigned across Germany making the case for various NSDAP policy positions, successfully enough that he eventually became rightful chancellor of Germany. From there it was just Schmittian-exception legal theory to get over the finish line. This was the opposite of infiltration, it is the most by-the-book way you can come to power in a democratic system. The system draws a lot its legitimacy from respecting that process, meaning you are less liable to get immediately crushed if you approach from this direction.

Weimar having a weak state and unhappy people made this a lot easier, but that doesn't mean the other angles of approach are gonna be relatively safer.
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(03-24-2023, 02:05 PM)carcinoEugenicist Wrote: ...

Amarnites still advocate for infiltration regardless of your personal interpretation of Hitler's rise. You are literally Trump supporters. And the strategy of campaigning under a party in the hopes of getting elected only works in a democracy, which the US certainly isn't. Corporations have free reign to silence and persecute dissidents. The best "angle of approach" isn't something people usually talk about like politics and Minecraft. It's actually very simple. Create a group of ideologically motivated men, but don't broadcast it. Thrive in the underbelly of society and accrue power in a way that directly harms the current regime. Those are the 2 simple steps and they play off of the worldview I mentioned in my earlier comment. Usually going against the ruling regime is a suicidal move, a dangerous gamble liable to backfire at any moment. But when you understand the weaknesses of the current regime and you know how to seeds of doubt among its citizens, that threat is greatly reduced. This is actually derived from methods the US MIC uses to successfully overthrow regimes around the world. Of course, they have more resources and influence than a prospective dissident, but there are creative ways around this obstacle that one has to discover for himself. Your group has to be ideologically motivated because loyalty can't be a question. Loyalty is the biggest problem dissident groups face, solving this would be invaluable which is why serious discussions must revolve around radical revolution with no compromises. And the underbelly of society must be used because that is the weak spot. Where cops and politicians can be paid off, there will be disenfranchised individuals looking for something to belong to. Maybe it's not what Hitler did, but it works on the same principles of seizing power and capitalizing on your enemy's weakness.
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(03-24-2023, 02:41 PM)Guest Wrote:  Corporations have free reign to silence and persecute dissidents. The best "angle of approach" isn't something people usually talk about like politics and Minecraft. It's actually very simple. Create a group of ideologically motivated men, but don't broadcast it. Thrive in the underbelly of society and accrue power in a way that directly harms the current regime. Those are the 2 simple steps and they play off of the worldview I mentioned in my earlier comment.

“Guy you know my favorite show the Sopranos, like we should do that too, make our own mafia. It’ll be great, there’s no way we live under a regime that lets black criminal off with a slap on the wrist but has gone out of its way to target non-leftist white organized crime.”
#33
(03-24-2023, 11:24 AM)Zed Wrote: Most of what I know here comes second/third-hand from individuals who were involved in the outer-discord orbit of those spheres. Despite my curiosity, I kept my distance - for good reason. Those involved in AW in particular were unfathomable degenerates, and it largely functioned as a CP trading ring - often pictures and videos of toddlers getting molested.

This is a LE tactic that allows them to get a search warrant or felony indictment (the target will plea out in exchange for acting as an informant) on anyone involved with these groups.
#34
(03-24-2023, 05:15 PM)Guest Wrote: “Guy you know my favorite show the Sopranos, like we should do that too, make our own mafia. It’ll be great, there’s no way we live under a regime that lets black criminal off with a slap on the wrist but has gone out of its way to target non-leftist white organized crime.”

Thanks for letting me know that the system would send its enforcers. But my plan doesn't even necessarily involve doing anything illegal. Which is alarming because even Patriot Front is considered a criminal organization under this system. But then again Nick Fuentes openly condemns kikes and praises Hitler and he hasn't been arrested. But the point is that my plan is broad and open to adapt to each individual's capabilities. If you're already a crime guy you can keep doing that, or maybe you're a law guy or a politics guy or a finance guy. Your specific role isn't important, what matters is the underlying principle of organizing and acquiring power. And this isn't just vague and meaningless talking points, these are important things to consider when the best the DR has to offer is work out and start a family. The conversation is not in the right direction, it is purposefully misdirected by people with weak principles. We should discuss solutions rather than problems, and I think the Siegetard approach is a step in the right direction despite its flaws. People who think otherwise are basically normies who further placate themselves with fantasies of being a dissident.
#35
I hate idiots who discuss "plans" endlessly. The SRS BSNS plannerd who never does anything but discusses their plans will get very irate with you if you dismiss them. They're pure timewasters, expecting you to sit there and listen to their nonsense which is never specific, never names organizations or jobs or vectors of attack, never gives you anything you could meaningful apply today or tomorrow, just gems like "we should form covert groups and join the institutions and then take them over from within" wow I am stunned by this intellect, no midwit tool has EVER imagined themselves being epic ninja mission impossible infiltrator who cool guy doesn't look at exploding institutions in his wake before. Fucking kill yourself.
#36
I'm trans by the way, if that even matters

(03-24-2023, 06:25 PM)Guest Wrote:  But my plan doesn't even necessarily involve doing anything illegal. Which is alarming because even Patriot Front is considered a criminal organization under this system. But then again Nick Fuentes openly condemns kikes and praises Hitler and he hasn't been arrested. But the point is that my plan is broad and open to adapt to each individual's capabilities. If you're already a crime guy you can keep doing that, or maybe you're a law guy or a politics guy or a finance guy. Your specific role isn't important, what matters is the underlying principle of organizing and acquiring power. And this isn't just vague and meaningless talking points, these are important things to consider when the best the DR has to offer is work out and start a family. The conversation is not in the right direction, it is purposefully misdirected by people with weak principles. We should discuss solutions rather than problems, and I think the Siegetard approach is a step in the right direction despite its flaws. People who think otherwise are basically normies who further placate themselves with fantasies of being a dissident.

“At the end of the day we’re different because of FEELING. You see I essentially have the same plan as you except  I worship retarded stuff and that makes us different. Both of our plans are about people organizing and doing stuff, but when ever my guys talk about their material concerns I know they have been corrupted and are taking the conversation into the wrong direction. Don’t they know wanting wealth and power for anything but pushing the movement is not REVOLUTIONARY! I hear them all the time with their weak principles complaining about the future, dont they know we have no VISION beyond the REVOLUTION, by revolution I am talking about the total destruction of civilization. Eugenics? Psssh, thats for Jews, so is thinking ahead, I’m a DISSIDENT btw, not a normie who actually wants to do things after we win.”
#37
(03-24-2023, 01:18 PM)Guest Wrote: Also love the subtle nod to class division from a supposed national socialist.

And so the coalposter reveals his true form: Not only does he believe in the judeo-negroid notion of "class struggle," but he, like many siegetards, believes that there is such thing as a revolution that comes from the bottom up. Surely he must also believe that Euromaidan was caused by a wave of anger from the Ukrainian commonfolk, and that the pro-democracy protests in Georgia were entirely grassroots. It was even talked about in the Stagnation and Decay article from the OP, explaining how their goal is to rile up the White underclass enough to start a peasant revolt that will somehow overthrow ZOG. Thing is, there have been plenty of peasant revolts in history, but the only times they have ever led to any form of radical change was when they had the full backing of a preexisting, more powerful faction aiming to undermine another. Said faction also tends to have long noses and funny hats.

To clarify, I don't think there's going to be any sort of centralized, militarized revolution that comes and un-fucks America. There will never be another Hitler, as every single jewish policy since 1945 was written for the sole purpose of preventing another Hitler from taking power. Instead, I predict a slow South African-style collapse as the shaky foundations of the System begin to buckle, they slowly lose enforcement power, and the niggers get more and more niggerish. A while ago, the Northwest Territorial Imperative pointed out that in the final years of the Soviet Union, the NKVD agents who lurked in the captured territories had to forage through dumpsters for food as the Kremlin was unable to sustain them all. Thus, I think our path to victory involves continuing to form, join, and promote various Active Clubs, in order to have organizations capable of filling the local power vacuums left by the slowly rotting ZOG. Whether it be forming mafias or building Orania-like settlements, gathering the connections, resources, and physical power necessary for that (as they are doing now) is by far our best move.

While yes it may sound similar to what Siege promotes, what WN 3.0 figured out that the Siegetards didn't is that being in jail is not beneficial to your Mannerbund.
#38
(03-24-2023, 06:32 PM)a system is failing Wrote: ...

Kek. BAPsphere tards do this weird thing when they have no foothold in the argument they just start throwing around character assaults and creating strawmen. I detect some good hatred in your post though, maybe you put it to use someday.

(03-24-2023, 06:32 PM)Guest Wrote: I'm trans by the way, if that even matters

I could've been more clear, but obviously you don't even have an argument to offer. The fact that supposed right wingers hop on the Internet and demoralize their fellows for free always astounds me. Reminds me of 4chan culture where nothing is taken seriously because it's all an elaborate inside joke. Completely destructive.

(03-24-2023, 07:33 PM)Spingebill Wrote: ...

True, revolution is an imaginary childish fantasy. And the phraseology is gay but your general idea isn't far off. Obviously the exact identity and culture is foggy but maybe something can be pulled together. BAP amassed a cult following just from a shitty book and a Twiiter account, people will really go for anything.
#39
So what's the best throw at a plan of attack, Siegeguest? Answer as succinctly as you can, please.
#40
(03-24-2023, 12:46 PM)Guest Wrote: At least this user doesn't mask his beliefs. I like that, being openly pro-jew. It's a rare and interesting take with many dimensions.

Have you not looked at the bottom-left corner of your screen since getting here?



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