The Dumpster Defenders and the Pro-Crime Society

[anthony]

Kissinger is either being a fool or intentionally obfuscating the truth here. The reason why the American diplomatic apparatus went so retardedly easy on the Soviets and the North Vietnamese is because the US State Department has been run by communists since at least the 1930s. Everyone important or elite in 1930's America believed that socialism/communism was the objectively inevitable and best future for humanity, and that the USSR was a shining beacon of hope (for more on this, read Eugene Lyons' The Red Decade). The Tsar was the ultimate villain of 1910's America, and Woodrow Wilson threatened to withhold aid to the UK and France if they didn't withdraw their military and financial support of the Tsar's anticommunist White Army in the Russian Civil War. I challenge you to find an example of the American State Department being "too nice" with any genuinely ideological opposed (i.e. non-communist) state. With pre-WWII Japan & Germany the US did everything in its power to be as provocative and hostile as possible. We also saw a complete denial of goodwill towards noncommunist actors in the modern age with American actions against Russia, Libya, and Iraq.

On this point I really think it depends. I think a case can be made that FDR was more retarded than a communist, even if his good faith was extremely selective. Selective naive good faith is real. If you wanted to say that these people were spiritually communists I would actually agree, but that's a different and more complex phenomena than the US government simply being full of outright communists (which it of course was too). I think the American Government is evil because it's half outright dedicated communist revolutionaries, and the other half are ignorant morons who spiritually agree with most of communism already and are generally so spineless and stupid they're easily led to the point that in practice they are just more communists in the government.

I don't think you had to be a communist to hate the tsar and be excited for bolshevism back then. Spiritually it was where a lot of people were at. So excessive good faith isn't really the phenomena I don't believe. It's more like plain faith.

[a system is failing]

A recent incident close to home. Note how it demonstrates every single thing Anthony said in the OP: the person shot is an obvious and clear piece of shit and the guy being fucked over is just an ordinary person who is then dragged through the the mud using every single minute detail of his life. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/...ranch/amp/

[Bitchard Hanania]

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Michael_Coombs

Michael Coombs (online pseudonyms: Mikemikev etc.) is a British neo-Nazi and white supremacist internet troll/conspiracy theorist who spends most his time online posting anti-Semitism, Holocaust denial, racism, Islamophobia, and the white genocide conspiracy theory.

“”What's wrong with murdering innocent children if it's for a good cause? And it is a little bit funny. - Mikemikev

The thought process that allows you to simultaneously defend/make excuses for people like this and scream about how criminals are all violent deranged freaks who need to literally die must be an interesting one.

[anthony]

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Michael_Coombs

Michael Coombs (online pseudonyms: Mikemikev etc.) is a British neo-Nazi and white supremacist internet troll/conspiracy theorist who spends most his time online posting anti-Semitism, Holocaust denial, racism, Islamophobia, and the white genocide conspiracy theory.

“”What's wrong with murdering innocent children if it's for a good cause? And it is a little bit funny. - Mikemikev

The thought process that allows you to simultaneously defend/make excuses for people like this and scream about how criminals are all violent deranged freaks who need to literally die must be an interesting one.

Not an argument.

[a system is failing]

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What's the excuse for living on the streets and threatening random people on public transit, just so we have all the facts at hand.

[Bitchard Hanania]

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What's the excuse for living on the streets and threatening random people on public transit, just so we have all the facts at hand.

Generally speaking, those people living in the streets probably have the capacity to live better lives than you are (not that they already are 😎). While we’re on the subject, you didn’t explain why it’s okay for guys like Mikemikev to say and do all sorts of crazy bullshit, though given Anthony’s response I take it you’re too cowardly to do so.

[anthony]

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What's the excuse for living on the streets and threatening random people on public transit, just so we have all the facts at hand.

Generally speaking, those people living in the streets probably have the capacity to live better lives than you are (not that they already are 😎). While we’re on the subject, you didn’t explain why it’s okay for guys like Mikemikev to say and do all sorts of crazy bullshit, though given Anthony’s response I take it you’re too cowardly to do so.

Are you a woman? You seem to like the word "coward" in the same way they do. You understand that men don't like it but it can't mean anything to you, so it just becomes another way of calling someone shit.

I had never heard of Mike before you posted him. I have no idea why anybody should care. Did he own you at some point and now you just go looking for proxy rematches with him in places that remind you of him?

[a system is failing]

Generally speaking, those people living in the streets probably have the capacity to live better lives than you

Why?

[Bitchard Hanania]

Generally speaking, those people living in the streets probably have the capacity to live better lives than you

Why?

On the basis that they don’t spend their time preaching the virtues of the Ubermensch despite looking like a deranged David Tennant.

[a system is failing]

On the basis that they don’t spend their time preaching the virtues of the Ubermensch despite looking like a deranged David Tennant.

Give me a real answer. If you actually believe in "capacity for a better life" beyond just some long winded way of saying "you're an incel" then I am interested in knowing what those terms are and how you judge that. Nothing about this guy's looks are extraordinary or noteworthy. I wouldn't think twice about him if I passed him on the street. I suspect personal grudge / derangement syndrome is at work here, but I'll give you another chance to answer sincerely if you actually have any theory of "a better life" to speak of.

[Bitchard Hanania]

On the basis that they don’t spend their time preaching the virtues of the Ubermensch despite looking like a deranged David Tennant.

Give me a real answer. If you actually believe in "capacity for a better life" beyond just some long winded way of saying "you're an incel" then I am interested in knowing what those terms are and how you judge that. Nothing about this guy's looks are extraordinary or noteworthy. I wouldn't think twice about him if I passed him on the street. I suspect personal grudge / derangement syndrome is at work here, but I'll give you another chance to answer sincerely if you actually have any theory of "a better life" to speak of.

Does it matter? No matter what answer I give, the only response you have to it will be the same trollshielding garbage. What’s especially golden is how you still haven’t explained why this Mikemikev guy doesn’t deserve to be treated the same way Jordan Neely was despite objectively being just as, if not more insane than he ever was.

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I had never heard of Mike before you posted him. I have no idea why anybody should care.

Because if he was the slightest tinge of brown and still talked how murdering innocent kids was funny you’d be calling for him to be publicly beheaded. The fact that you also assume that anyone who uses words you don’t like is a woman kinda says more about you than it does about me.

[a system is failing]

Does it matter? No matter what answer I give, the only response you have to it will be the same trollshielding garbage. What’s especially golden is how you still haven’t explained why this Mikemikev guy doesn’t deserve to be treated the same way Jordan Neely was despite objectively being just as, if not more insane than he ever was.

We don't even have to get into "deserve", considering the guy posts online and otherwise lives a normal functional life the circumstances alone would require an illegal breach of his private property to strangle him at all. I don't know about you but I don't try to build a database of all humans and work out who deserves what comparitively. Running around on a subway car threatening people and committing dozens and dozens of crimes is going to massively increase your likelihood of being stopped with force even if you don't deserve it (Jordan Neely 100% deserves it of course). I don't think you have an answer, it's just like I said, a wordy way of calling someone an incel and seeing as you find Jordan Neely comparable to this guy who is a gross online troll at absolute worst, it's clear you have no real concept of "better life" at all and just lash out at things which vaguely resemble whatever current grudge is running around smashing up the furniture in your mind.

[Zed]

Because if he was the slightest tinge of brown and still talked how murdering innocent kids was funny you’d be calling for him to be publicly beheaded. The fact that you also assume that anyone who uses words you don’t like is a woman kinda says more about you than it does about me.

You realize you're on a forum principally associated with the phrase "Billions Must Die" and "Total Nigger Death", yes? You're essentially objecting to the lack of universal morality amongst a group of people that reject the very conception of universal morality in favor of explicitly hierarchal moral/value judgements. So really, what the fuck are you trying to say?

You should expend the time needed to understand the ethics and epistemology of those you hold as the adversary before you attempt this cheap thoughtless bullshit. Or more ideally: You would be better served by asking *why* people come to adopt these kinds of radical beliefs and the nature of the society that produced them. This forum has a good number of highly thoughtful posters who arrived at their perspectives through a substantial amount of personal pain. Do you understand that pain? Mind you, I say this as a fairly generic libertarian who is only mildly racist and disagrees with some of the more extreme positions.

[anthony]

On the basis that they don’t spend their time preaching the virtues of the Ubermensch despite looking like a deranged David Tennant.

Give me a real answer. If you actually believe in "capacity for a better life" beyond just some long winded way of saying "you're an incel" then I am interested in knowing what those terms are and how you judge that. Nothing about this guy's looks are extraordinary or noteworthy. I wouldn't think twice about him if I passed him on the street. I suspect personal grudge / derangement syndrome is at work here, but I'll give you another chance to answer sincerely if you actually have any theory of "a better life" to speak of.

Does it matter? No matter what answer I give, the only response you have to it will be the same trollshielding garbage. What’s especially golden is how you still haven’t explained why this Mikemikev guy doesn’t deserve to be treated the same way Jordan Neely was despite objectively being just as, if not more insane than he ever was.

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I had never heard of Mike before you posted him. I have no idea why anybody should care.

Because if he was the slightest tinge of brown and still talked how murdering innocent kids was funny you’d be calling for him to be publicly beheaded. The fact that you also assume that anyone who uses words you don’t like is a woman kinda says more about you than it does about me.

You call him "this Mikemikev guy" like you're the one who considers him to be of no real consequence here. Despite the fact you brought him up out of the blue among people who have never heard of him and are now demanding that everyone form elaborate opinions on his existence and fate.

[Bitchard Hanania]

lash out at things which vaguely resemble whatever current grudge is running around smashing up the furniture in your mind.

This coming from a person who along with so many others like him specializes in lashing out at others. Dissident right-wingers and nonexistent self-awareness, name a better duo

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Because if he was the slightest tinge of brown and still talked how murdering innocent kids was funny you’d be calling for him to be publicly beheaded. The fact that you also assume that anyone who uses words you don’t like is a woman kinda says more about you than it does about me.

You realize you're on a forum principally associated with the phrase "Billions Must Die" and "Total Nigger Death", yes? You're essentially objecting to the lack of universal morality amongst a group of people that reject the very conception of universal morality in favor of explicitly hierarchal moral/value judgements. So really, what the fuck are you trying to say?

You should expend the time needed to understand the ethics and epistemology of those you hold as the adversary before you attempt this cheap thoughtless bullshit. Or more ideally: You would be better served by asking *why* people come to adopt these kinds of radical beliefs and the nature of the society that produced them. This forum has a good number of highly thoughtful posters who arrived at their perspectives through a substantial amount of personal pain. Do you understand that pain? Mind you, I say this as a fairly generic libertarian who is only mildly racist and disagrees with some of the more extreme positions.

If you’re this irrationally obsessed with defying universal morality and social norms, than what the fuck is even the point in getting this upset over crime/people you perceive as criminals — people who by your own standards defy some form of universal morality? You’re always blathering on about IQ, and yet you seriously can’t put two and two together that someone might find that contradictory?

[Zed]

If you’re this irrationally obsessed with defying universal morality and social norms, than what the fuck is even the point in getting this upset over crime/people you perceive as criminals — people who by your own standards defy some form of universal morality? You’re always blathering on about IQ, and yet you seriously can’t put two and two together that someone might find that contradictory?

Look, I'm trying to be nice to you. I genuinely don't understand what you are trying to do here - you seem like you're having a moment of extreme emotional instability, and you're posting into the void trying to pick a fight with people who are not even vaguely interested. Why are you so upset, and why are making this place the outlet for venting that?

[anthony]

irrationally

If you really care about rationality then where are your arguments?

[Bitchard Hanania]

If you’re this irrationally obsessed with defying universal morality and social norms, than what the fuck is even the point in getting this upset over crime/people you perceive as criminals — people who by your own standards defy some form of universal morality? You’re always blathering on about IQ, and yet you seriously can’t put two and two together that someone might find that contradictory?

Look, I'm trying to be nice to you. I genuinely don't understand what you are trying to do here - you seem like you're having a moment of extreme emotional instability, and you're posting into the void trying to pick a fight with people who are not even vaguely interested. Why are you so upset, and why are making this place the outlet for venting that?

irrationally

If you really care about rationality then where are your arguments?

Now that I’m sobering up I realize you guys are right, sorry. I’m currently in a custody battle with my ex-wife, who’s new boyfriend is mikemikev, and I’ve just been so frustrated lately. I get that I’m not making much sense and am just trying to lawgec trap you within the bounds of my own world view you guys don’t subscribe to, yeah it’s dumb, but I’m sorry. 

I just don’t have anyone to talk to after my wife left me. I don’t want to lose my kids yet, I hate that nazi mikemikev whos fucking my wife. How am I supposed to cope with this? He literally hates black people, I just can’t. I don’t want my children to grow up racist like mikemikev. There are you happy that I admitted that, are you satisfied at my misery, rot in hell nazi scum!

[Zed]

If you’re this irrationally obsessed with defying universal morality and social norms, than what the fuck is even the point in getting this upset over crime/people you perceive as criminals — people who by your own standards defy some form of universal morality? You’re always blathering on about IQ, and yet you seriously can’t put two and two together that someone might find that contradictory?

Look, I'm trying to be nice to you. I genuinely don't understand what you are trying to do here - you seem like you're having a moment of extreme emotional instability, and you're posting into the void trying to pick a fight with people who are not even vaguely interested. Why are you so upset, and why are making this place the outlet for venting that?

irrationally

If you really care about rationality then where are your arguments?

Now that I’m sobering up I realize you guys are right, sorry. I’m currently in a custody battle with my ex-wife, who’s new boyfriend is mikemikev, and I’ve just been so frustrated lately. I get that I’m not making much sense and am just trying to lawgec trap you within the bounds of my own world view you guys don’t subscribe to, yeah it’s dumb, but I’m sorry. 

I just don’t have anyone to talk to after my wife left me. I don’t want to lose my kids yet, I hate that nazi mikemikev whos fucking my wife. How am I supposed to cope with this? He literally hates black people, I just can’t. I don’t want my children to grow up racist like mikemikev. There are you happy that I admitted that, are you satisfied at my misery, rot in hell nazi scum!

I'm not awake enough for this shit.

[If not real]: lol, lmao.

[If real]: Just get offline, stop drinking, and keep your heart directed in the right place. You want the courts to believe you are a better father than him - act like it. Drunk poasting on Amarna is not the way.

[Ack!robatty]

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Michael_Coombs

Michael Coombs (online pseudonyms: Mikemikev etc.) is a British neo-Nazi and white supremacist internet troll/conspiracy theorist who spends most his time online posting anti-Semitism, Holocaust denial, racism, Islamophobia, and the white genocide conspiracy theory.

“”What's wrong with murdering innocent children if it's for a good cause? And it is a little bit funny. - Mikemikev

The thought process that allows you to simultaneously defend/make excuses for people like this and scream about how criminals are all violent deranged freaks who need to literally die must be an interesting one.

Is there supposed to be some kind of contradiction at work here that would make it "interesting" to defend Mikemikev and not homeless criminals? None of the things you posted about Mike would make me think he's a nuisance in pubilc or assaults people while they wait for the bus. Has he assaulted shop owners or pushed people onto subway tracks? If I passed Mikemikev in the street, what about him would annoy me in any way, or make him stick out compared to anyone else? You seem to be confused how "we" could defend someone who posts racism and violent rhetoric online, but still be angry about people who commit crimes in public. If this is genuine confusion and not some poor attempt at trolling I think you're likely retarded.

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Generally speaking, those people living in the streets probably have the capacity to live better lives than you

Why?

On the basis that they don’t spend their time preaching the virtues of the Ubermensch despite looking like a deranged David Tennant.

Simply by virtue of not being obese or even looking remotely overweight, this guy is better looking than at least half of Americans. I decided to scan the wiki article you posted and it describes the guy as being entirely normal in daily life. 

No one who knew this guy irl suspected him of being a right-wing extremist, students he tutored and people he worked with decribed him as kind but somehwat shy. So a totally "normal" person who had extreme political beliefs, but did not let those manifest in a detrimental fashion to his interactions with bystandards, colleagues, family, etc. I don't really see any issues with such a person or why I should harbor any kind of disdain towards them. I also don't see the rational connection between him and homeless people who steal and rob people to support their drug addictions, while also commiting other random acts of petty violence while high on said drugs.