10-23-2023, 02:02 PM
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A follower of one Death Note-enjoying groyper suggested sometime ago that clitoridectomies and similar procedures were beneath the police actions of higher men, as they leave behind mutilated things. I disagreed with him. The beautiful are made more so by the contrast with the base and broken. Perhaps in the land of milk and honey we can appreciate each particular in its own right but until then...
This moral and anthropological debate deserves to be had again.
I propose the following Common-Sensical & Wise reasons for modification, physical or psychological, of the lower castes:
Reasons Utilitarian Slaves who have been bodily "reduced" have lesser will to rebel. Notice how few slave rebellions there have been in the East, where such practices have been common, compared to the West. Many ancient peoples, including the early Egyptians and the Jews, circumcised their slaves to humiliate them and reduce their sexual power. The Chinaman and the Turk kept palace eunuchs to administer their empires. Would the Spartans not have lasted a few centuries more, if they had had a collection of eunuchs? I acknowledge that this would mean importing a practice from the East, but taking good ideas from elsewhere is in the best Western tradition.
Reasons Aesthetic You don't have to believe judgement to be only comparative, to see that a Nordic blonde Tradwife has her beauty made the more brilliant by comparison with a female Australian aborigine. Being served wine and hors d'oeuvres by branded slaves would remind one of the greatness that is difference in rank. Which brings us to...
Reasons Vital We are all familiar with the cycle of higher men carving out a space for their Pursuits and Leisure, only for it to decay after a few centuries, through a period of decadence, into a deracinated egalitarian hellhole. AH suggested that remnants of the Soviet Union past the Urals would remain after the War, for the young men of the Reich to fight and prove themselves against. Why not open another permanent front in the interior? Watching your most loyal slaves brand the new ones you bought at the market, would stiffen a man and remind him of what would happen if his will faltered. When the state needs to know, employing torture would inspire invention and cunning in her policemen and psychiatrists.
Branding does have a recent Western tradition, being used in TKD Round One. It showed that a return to classical values need not entail a technological reversion. To the contrary, the latest technology is most compatible with this rewarding and invigorating practice.
10-23-2023, 02:55 PM
(This post was last modified: 10-23-2023, 02:57 PM by The Green Groyper.)
I like the idea honestly of genetically engineering a slave race-Homo Servus. They would be biologically conditioned for obedience, and would not rebel-to even think of rebelling would trigger anxiety, suicidal thoughts and terror.
Perhaps its the romantic in me-but imagine being served by slaves that genuinely love their servitude. And go to bed in their slave quarters mumbling how thankful they are to do my dishes and laundry.
They could be neurologically conditioned to derive feelings of pleasure or contentment with obedience and submission, any thought or temptation of defiance would trigger pain, nausea, and the like.
(10-23-2023, 02:55 PM)The Green Groyper Wrote: [SNIP]
Personally, the idea of an inferior race disgusts me. To look at someone, know they are both genetically and spiritually my inferior, and yet are allowed to live, inspires feelings of pure hatred in my mind. I think to this end, I believe that I would much prefer a robotic servant race to a genemodded one. What you're proposing is basically the American South, but made eternal. The problem with this, of course, is that the American South had niggers in it. How can you recreate it without making spiritual negroes?
(10-23-2023, 03:12 PM)Guest Wrote: (10-23-2023, 02:55 PM)The Green Groyper Wrote: [SNIP]
Personally, the idea of an inferior race disgusts me. To look at someone, know they are both genetically and spiritually my inferior, and yet are allowed to live, inspires feelings of pure hatred in my mind. I think to this end, I believe that I would much prefer a robotic servant race to a genemodded one. What you're proposing is basically the American South, but made eternal. The problem with this, of course, is that the American South had niggers in it. How can you recreate it without making spiritual negroes?
Who says a slave race has to be as offensive(and unreliable) as niggers? A genemodded slave race can be custom designed to be as pleasant to the eye, as you wish. No ugly faces or disgusting skin, or obscene behaviors or speech patterns. Only total obedience and loving submission to you.
This need not come in place of robots by the way, one can have personal gene modded slaves and servants with robots doing maintaining infrastructure, industry and so forth.
The issue is that the modern technology we have access to makes slavery, inferior races, and similar things completely redundant. And as Meredith said on X once, elimination is preferable to domination. The tedium that necessitated slavery doesn't exist in the 21st century except in the most backwards nigger shitholes, and the appearance of it in developed nations is artificially propped up to keep the employment high.
Slaves still serve useful roles. Including that of ego validation. And many tasks cannot yet be automated.
As it is, this discussion is entirely theoretical as either robots replacing all menial labor or the technology to engineer docile populations does not yet exist. (And may never exist in the way we imagine it).
Personally, I find the idea of lording over mindless machines boring. I want to be feted by servants. To command others who labor on my behalf.
(10-24-2023, 06:04 AM)Svevlad Wrote: The issue is that the modern technology we have access to makes slavery, inferior races, and similar things completely redundant. And as Meredith said on X once, elimination is preferable to domination. The tedium that necessitated slavery doesn't exist in the 21st century except in the most backwards nigger shitholes, and the appearance of it in developed nations is artificially propped up to keep the employment high.
It is immediately obvious that you have never had servants.
Servants to love and slaves to terrorize.
Oh to be able to send a human creature into sobbing tears with a firm glance!
There is pleasure in owning slaves, pleasure in having one’s way with servants.
You have the power of life and death, happiness and misery, hope and despair over them.
A kind word, a harsh rebuke. It’s similar to being encouraged or rebuked by God.
Such is the joy of ruling over your lessers.
Imagine entire families of slaves, tittering servants and laborers-one can command at will.
Do you want love? Do you want to be feared? Do you want the ecstasy of being loved and feared at once? Look a serving woman in the eye and tell her to take her clothes off. You’ll see the terror in her face, and the light in her eyes.
"slave fantasy by natural slave"
10-25-2023, 01:14 AM
(This post was last modified: 10-25-2023, 01:23 AM by The Green Groyper.)
Owning slaves and commanding servants has been the province of Aryan aristocrats, lords and kings for thousands of years. I find it genuinely perplexing that so few in the DR are attracted to owning and commanding slaves.
The point of owning slaves is not menial labor or domestic chores which can be automated, but simply for one's own pleasure and satisfaction.
10-25-2023, 08:33 AM
(This post was last modified: 10-25-2023, 10:59 AM by Unformed Golem.)
I actually used to have servants. It was OK. However, it's not the future; my grandfather owned some horses but now they're just a LARP affectation.
Slavery/servitude (there is a reason that these categories are historically interchangeable) has had obvious disastrous social and racial effects almost everywhere on the planet. Not just the Negro albatross in the US but the negrification of the Near East, and the monkefication of Southeast Asia. Even the modern form of slavery, incarceration, is a boondoggle. Why bother with these people? Just get rid of them. Some form of penal servitude is probably socially and economically inevitable though; a 3 year limit as suggested by Plato or transportation will cover this.
Branding and cosmetic scarification have a better track record. It's an intermediate step between lesser forms of corporal punishment like whipping and exposure, and capital punishment. Eunuchy is for Orientals and other wogs; I think you can get a pretty good idea of what having a bunch of dickless men around is like by taking a look at troons.
I genuinely am confused here. Why am I the only one who likes the idea of domination and exercising power over one’s subordinates?
Did all of you grow up poor and do your own chores?
I would like to have a harem of servant girls and tattoo them with my insignia. Tattoos on women are generally disgusting but if it were my own mark, small and unobtrusive, it would be delightful and they would take to it bigly. Behind the ear would be a good spot, so as to be easily checkable while not covering the girls with needless scrawl or disfiguring scars (anyone who would put a big ugly scar on a beautiful young girl is a giant nigger, and probably also likes to spray-paint graffiti tags on rocks in the forest. You don't deserve slaves if you would do this). My wife's skin would not be marred in any way, partly to elevate her above the concubines and partly out of desire for simple purity, but there would be no doubt that she would also be my strict property.
If I had servants I would prefer them to be of the lesser of white stock, as opposed to browns. I would like the English style of mastery much more than having a bunch of negro slaves or filipina housekeepers, even if they were well behaved. Given the choice, it would be unhealthy to gather a bunch of brownoids toward oneself just to be better than them; lording over one's inferiors with grace and power is noble, but there's a line below which they're simply annoying and disgusting and it's better not to have them around at all unless it's very useful.
I like how Golem brought up that eunuchy is Oriental and therefore bad; Orientalism is the fallout of getting too intertwined with a static plantation of low-IQ grainmongers. This is never the most fun way of life for Aryans but a big compromise with practicality, and as a bonus the aboriginals receive the mercy of not all being killed (maybe those who fail to appreciate this should have it revoked).
The deep Aryan way is to to roam the land freely in the company of one's fellows, and towing a bunch of slaves around introduces a lot of complexity to this way of life, so it stands to reason that it must have been best to have a lean hierarchy of peers who each contribute from a similar range of abilities without need for perpetual domination. Maybe this why whites tend to feel so guilty about dominating those we see as insiders, and thus we made the world-historic unforced error of extending universal egalitarianism after we conquered the globe and made all of it the interior of our domain.
(10-25-2023, 09:11 AM)The Green Groyper Wrote: I genuinely am confused here. Why am I the only one who likes the idea of domination and exercising power over one’s subordinates?
Did all of you grow up poor and do your own chores?
Ultimate domination is the extermination of those you are superior to. Aryans, Nazis understood this; Jews were not turned into slaves under the Reich, and neither were Harappans under the Yamuna. This idea of geneslaves comes from essentially the same mindset as those memes about Spanish conquistadors having a "based Incan harem" or whatever. It's not as if a world with a genetically inferior slave race would be longhoused or bad, but I would prefer a world with no inferiors. Frankly speaking, I wish for a world where I am the only person, but this is politically impossible, unlike TND etc.
(10-25-2023, 12:30 PM)Guest Wrote: (10-25-2023, 09:11 AM)The Green Groyper Wrote: I genuinely am confused here. Why am I the only one who likes the idea of domination and exercising power over one’s subordinates?
Did all of you grow up poor and do your own chores?
Ultimate domination is the extermination of those you are superior to. Aryans, Nazis understood this; Jews were not turned into slaves under the Reich, and neither were Harappans under the Yamuna. This idea of geneslaves comes from essentially the same mindset as those memes about Spanish conquistadors having a "based Incan harem" or whatever. It's not as if a world with a genetically inferior slave race would be longhoused or bad, but I would prefer a world with no inferiors. Frankly speaking, I wish for a world where I am the only person, but this is politically impossible, unlike TND etc. I hate to “ackshually” but having a world of your own is really simple and much more politically viable than either a genetically modified slave race or TND. Just get on a spaceship and find some world to colonize with robots to do all the necessary construction for you.
A good way to think about servitude is that servants (again, including "slaves") are members of your household. You might even go so far as to say that servants are sort of like children who never quite grow up. Do you want a bunch of niggers in your house?
Over the summer I visited a home built around the turn of the 18th century by an ancestor of mine which is now a historical site. The original structure was one room, which was added onto a few times by later generations. He had one male African slave, who lived in this small room with the rest of the family. This didn't sound like an appealing arrangement to me. Eventually a separate house was built for slaves.
Obviously there is a pleasure to being in command. There is also a pleasure in not having to deal with inferiors.
10-26-2023, 01:54 AM
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Right, I am going to have to make an exception to my posting break to Set Things Right.
I agree with my detractors in this thread. In the land of milk and honey we won't need slaves or servants and can have Fully Automated Luxury Communism. However, as the situation stands, there are many lawns that need mowing, roads requiring surfacing, and meals in need of preparing.
You are living in the propaganda of our time if you believe these tasks are anywhere close to automation. Technological advance has stalled. Don't take it only from me. He is irritating but BAP's favorite Scott Locklin writes well on this: https://www.takimag.com/article/the_myth..._progress/ & https://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/
Maybe you think things will be different once we break the chains of the libtards. The chaos once that happens will be staggering. It will be hard to maintain the technology we have, without thinking about advancing it. Indeed, there might be a small reversion in technology.
The work needed to achieve TND would have slavery with whips and chains at minimum. Look at how NS made use of the Js, no matter its final aim. At the front, the young White men would be in the most essential positions, given the opposition from billions of browns. You will not have enough workers about. Some of your workers will be slaves, and brown. Those back home will wish to retain their servants, who will replace them while they are at the front? You will have to be the whip hand.
I am not even taking into account here, the possibility that only a part TND is achieved. The browns will be laughing at you all the way to your defeat if you cannot make use of any worthwhile means to win.
(10-25-2023, 09:10 PM)Muskox Wrote: Obviously there is a pleasure to being in command. There is also a pleasure in not having to deal with inferiors.
Do you have an estimate of when we will be living in a world where one does not have inferiors?
(10-25-2023, 09:11 AM)The Green Groyper Wrote: I genuinely am confused here. Why am I the only one who likes the idea of domination and exercising power over one’s subordinates?
Did all of you grow up poor and do your own chores?
The answer is that you were right. Most don't have the stomach for TND.
Servants etc. are more akin to members of the house as someone mentioned earlier. I do not know why you have strange fantasies regarding mutilation, torture, and branding. None of these things are good for master-servant relations. I assume the poster above and the "green" poster are both hispanic based on their desires along these lines.
Where servants have been used effectively, punishment is simple and quick. That being said, having a slave class is very different than having a personal servant/slave. The poster above and the "green" poster are confused on this, and many other things. They are, of course, trolls attempting to play a caricature of some type of this or that in order to elicit responses that they may titter about in some group chat somewhere or other.
(10-26-2023, 01:54 AM)Striped_Pyjama_Boy_Nietzschean Wrote: Right, I am going to have to make an exception to my posting break to Set Things Right.
I agree with my detractors in this thread. In the land of milk and honey we won't need slaves or servants and can have Fully Automated Luxury Communism. However, as the situation stands, there are many lawns that need mowing, roads requiring surfacing, and meals in need of preparing.
You are living in the propaganda of our time if you believe these tasks are anywhere close to automation. Technological advance has stalled. Don't take it only from me. He is irritating but BAP's favorite Scott Locklin writes well on this: https://www.takimag.com/article/the_myth..._progress/ & https://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/
Maybe you think things will be different once we break the chains of the libtards. The chaos once that happens will be staggering. It will be hard to maintain the technology we have, without thinking about advancing it. Indeed, there might be a small reversion in technology.
The work needed to achieve TND would have slavery with whips and chains at minimum. Look at how NS made use of the Js, no matter its final aim. At the front, the young White men would be in the most essential positions, given the opposition from billions of browns. You will not have enough workers about. Some of your workers will be slaves, and brown. Those back home will wish to retain their servants, who will replace them while they are at the front? You will have to be the whip hand.
I am not even taking into account here, the possibility that only a part TND is achieved. The browns will be laughing at you all the way to your defeat if you cannot make use of any worthwhile means to win.
(10-25-2023, 09:10 PM)Muskox Wrote: Obviously there is a pleasure to being in command. There is also a pleasure in not having to deal with inferiors.
Do you have an estimate of when we will be living in a world where one does not have inferiors?
(10-25-2023, 09:11 AM)The Green Groyper Wrote: I genuinely am confused here. Why am I the only one who likes the idea of domination and exercising power over one’s subordinates?
Did all of you grow up poor and do your own chores?
The answer is that you were right. Most don't have the stomach for TND. Great post. So many people here have these fantastical ideas that we will have robots doing all the menial labor sometime soon™ and don’t seem to realize we are not remotely close to that. It’s cart before the horse thinking(that may be too generous).
We may need(unfortunately) to make use of non White labor for decades. Potentially longer. There are ways we can hobble and discipline them, and prepare for TND later, but you’re right. A full scale attempt at TND would lead to a deflation of living standards and economic chaos.
Thank you. I appreciate your humility.
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