The Networks of the "Dissident Right"

[casual rapist]

what's the difference between amarnites and the old White nationalism (stormfront,VNN,William luther pierce,George Lincoln rockwell)?

Amarna tries to resolve the psychosis of being Jewish - challenge impossible - that plagued certain participants in those earlier circles by affirming it, transmogrifying its character into alignment with the most extreme "right wing" positions. An act of fundamental misunderstanding, of course. 

But I'm here to clarify.  And lift zoomers up.  Not tear them down.

[Guest]

what's the difference between amarnites and the old White nationalism (stormfront,VNN,William luther pierce,George Lincoln rockwell)?

Amarna tries to resolve the psychosis of being Jewish - challenge impossible - that plagued certain participants in those earlier circles by affirming it, transmogrifying its character into alignment with the most extreme "right wing" positions. An act of fundamental misunderstanding, of course. 

But I'm here to clarify.  And lift zoomers up.  Not tear them down.

Amarnites aren't generally Jewish-- just essentially misguided on the nature of Israel.

[Guest]

Russophilia and admiration of "Based Putin" is synonymous with Norwoodism which BAP embarrassingly turned towards. It is right wing third-worldism.

How is Third worldism supporting one of the most Whites countries in the world that hasn't been flooded with browns and blacks ?
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3rd worldism is an apt descriptor whenever there is an an international underdog narrative like with gaddafi or the lion of damascus or le based taliban. It doesn't matter how white or otherwise they are. The typical point is that it is a countersignalling strategy based on the "USA... le bad!" narrative. People post edits of le schizo troll character as russia surrounded by nato on all sides so russia is being framed (maybe not by BAP, but generally by pro-russ'ers) as the good guys.

How good are the russians genetically? I like the udmurts a bit but sometimes their faces are kind of weird or even outright asian.

[august]

Russophilia and admiration of "Based Putin" is synonymous with Norwoodism which BAP embarrassingly turned towards. It is right wing third-worldism.

How is Third worldism supporting one of the most Whites countries in the world that hasn't been flooded with browns and blacks ?

3rd worldism is an apt descriptor whenever there is an an international underdog narrative like with gaddafi or the lion of damascus or le based taliban. It doesn't matter how white or otherwise they are. The typical point is that it is a countersignalling strategy based on the "USA... le bad!" narrative. People post edits of le schizo troll character as russia surrounded by nato on all sides so russia is being framed (maybe not by BAP, but generally by pro-russ'ers) as the good guys.

How good are the russians genetically? I like the udmurts a bit but sometimes their faces are kind of weird or even outright asian.

Not really. I presume most of the Americans that one sees "countersignalling" the US and NATO only do so because Russia delegitimises the faggot occupied government that is America. In any case, you understand that every other tweet you see on right wing twitter was typed out by a retard mimicking some sentiment that they thought would make them fit in right?

[GraalChud]

Russophilia and admiration of "Based Putin" is synonymous with Norwoodism which BAP embarrassingly turned towards. It is right wing third-worldism.

How is Third worldism supporting one of the most Whites countries in the world that hasn't been flooded with browns and blacks ? 3rd worldism is an apt descriptor whenever there is an an international underdog narrative like with gaddafi or the lion of damascus or le based taliban. It doesn't matter how white or otherwise they are. The typical point is that it is a countersignalling strategy based on the "USA... le bad!" narrative. People post edits of le schizo troll character as russia surrounded by nato on all sides so russia is being framed (maybe not by BAP, but generally by pro-russ'ers) as the good guys.

How good are the russians genetically? I like the udmurts a bit but sometimes their faces are kind of weird or even outright asian.

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You seem to have fundamentally misunderstood what was being said here; Russophilia and admiration of "Putler" are part and parcel of third-worldism. 

Just as right-leaning dissidents in the West (mistakenly) see Putin and Russia as their savior who will liberate them from ZOG (or at least knock it down a peg or two, giving them the opportunity to create KeyedWorld), browns/yellows in SE/C Asia, India, Iran, Africa do the same - the difference is that the coloreds are correct in seeing Putin/Russia this way, while Western dissidents are not. Putin is their ally, and he has not only paid them lip service in his speeches, but also taken real steps to fight on their behalf against the "Satanic West" and the "Anglo-Saxon Imperialist Nazi Satanist Homosexual Liberal cabal" that controls it. Russia`s facilitation of the creation of BRICS, the aid it has rendered to Assad, its cozy relationship with Iran, China, etc., or the creation of the EAEU, Putin has shown time and time again that he is interested only in hastening the rising tide of color on a geopolitical level by way of the creation of a "multipolar world." This is why support for him is synonymous with 3rd Worldism - whether you understand what he actually wants or not, support for him is support for his policies, which are anti-White and pro-GNC (Eastern Edition), and ultimately the majority of his support comes from non-whites worldwide and spiritually Eurasian/Oriental "Whites" in Russia/Belarus.

Oh, and w.r.t. the whole "most white countries in the world that hasn`t yet been flooded by non-whites" comment, this contention wrong for 2 reasons:

1) Russia is, proportionally-speaking, not one of the whitest countries on Earth. It is something like 71% ethnically Russian and ~75% European, and that is not accounting for the fact that of that 71% Russian population, many of them are racially mixed. The real figure for the portion of the population that is White/European in Russia is probably ~60%. This is proportionally less white than nearly every Western country, save America and Canada. So you can get an idea of how much it has changed under Putin, per the 1989 census in the Russian SSR, which has roughly the same borders as the modern Russian state, ~89% of the population was White/European; 

AND 

2) Putin is actively flooding the country with migrants. He has set up programs with Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, and Tajikistan that allows workers to come in on visas and send money back to the shitholes that they came from, and those who speak out against this are often brutally suppressed (see the case of Maksim Tesak, a WN who Putin had killed in 2020 after he continued to speak out against this). As a result, cities in European Russia are filled to the brim with all sorts of Caucasians, Central Asians, and all other sorts of weird oriental groups. Demographically speaking, Russia under Putin is demographically fucked, and Putin has no interest in stopping this - in fact, he wants to facilitate it. Per statements that he has made on TV, he sees Russia as a traditional, multicultural state that does multiculturalism the "right" way (as opposed to the way the West does it). To think that Putin cares about ethnic Russians and wants to preserve their existence is delusional.

[Guest]

Russophilia and admiration of "Based Putin" is synonymous with Norwoodism which BAP embarrassingly turned towards. It is right wing third-worldism.

How is Third worldism supporting one of the most Whites countries in the world that hasn't been flooded with browns and blacks ? 3rd worldism is an apt descriptor whenever there is an an international underdog narrative like with gaddafi or the lion of damascus or le based taliban. It doesn't matter how white or otherwise they are. The typical point is that it is a countersignalling strategy based on the "USA... le bad!" narrative. People post edits of le schizo troll character as russia surrounded by nato on all sides so russia is being framed (maybe not by BAP, but generally by pro-russ'ers) as the good guys.

How good are the russians genetically? I like the udmurts a bit but sometimes their faces are kind of weird or even outright asian.

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1)Russia allying with asian,non white countries as geopolitical necessity doesn't hurt the White race,promoting mass inmigration,anti white propaganda and celebrating degeneracy does,and that's something that the american and western euro governments do.
Besides the only reason why Russia is allying with BRICS is because all western governments are hostile to the russian nation,if all western governments are hostile to their countries,what do you expect the russians to do? to become isolated,international pariahs?,it's just the same thing that Nazi Germany did,they allied with Japan,the soviet union,arabs and indian anti colonial forces and promoted anti american propaganda as evil racist(see kultur-terror https://www.flickr.com/photos/pixeljones/4449101481) against the british and america because USA and UK were hostile to them,and many people who are pro White don't have any problem with the III Reich,they even praise it,so why some peple have a problem with Russia when they are just doing the same thing that the germans did? (i'm no a third worldist,neither i am  of those who promote some sort of multi racial populism,but when all western governments oppose you,you don't have other option that making uneasy alliances,history have plenty of those examples,if a keyed pro white government ever obtain power in europe,all western governments won't have any other option than making such alliances)


2) That's not true,Russia is still majority White,80% of the population is russian ethnicity despite having the majority of its territory in asia,that's more higher than the United States that have only 59% of White population(and declining) or have the same demographics as UK who just have 80 % White population despite being in the core european territory,Russian demographics are something worth of praise for an imperial settler colonialist nation,and moscow is 90% White,making it the most populated White city in the world,now compare it with London where White british are a minority.Russia make a distinction between ruski and rossiyane,Ruski are the ones who are of russian ethnicity and are recognized as a core russian people and the rossiyane are non russians(mostly asians) who have russian citizenship but aren't seen as the core of the russian nations,imagine if the U.S have something like that where the old stock americans are recognized as foundational americans and were given a preferential status,that's how it is in Russia.Besides the idea that the majority of ethnic russians aren't white is laughable when Russia have high levels of blondism and blue eyes,just because they had some asian admixture in the past due the fact they were invaded by some asian peoles doesn't deny that(if we apply that logic then neither the balkans,southern europe or the rest of eastern euroe are White too)

Also inmigration in Russia is not comparable with what is happening in the west,while in the west mass inmigrations is allowed with the intention of replacing the native White populations and creating a source of permantent left wing votes by given them welfarfe payments at the expense of White taxpayers,in Russia are just used them as cheap labor and once they had done their jobs,they are deported to their countries where they came from.

3) All the Right wing anti russian arguments are either based on false equivalences with the west,pictures or putin's quotes taken out of context if not fake or based on old data that it isn't true in the current year,like for example the idea tha Russia have high abortion rates,it was true in the past,but today are lower. https://femibased.substack.com/p/a-respo...es-article 
https://femibased.substack.com/p/on-abor...-in-russia

[Guest]

new guest here
I think the only anti-russian stuff that has stuck in my head is the occasional really weird skull shape photo. Are there any studies of russian skull shapes to clarify this?

This is also important for physiognomy. Some of our best contemporary face shape and personality data is slavic. If we can't apply those models to whites, we need to know. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-65358-6/

[Guest]

He indulges Moldkike.

You realize BAP is himself 50% Ashkenazi?

[Guest]

He indulges Moldkike.

You realize BAP is himself 50% Ashkenazi?

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[MisterHerrSenor0]

I had seen that image a few times before, but looking at it this time I realized that the cliques were all adjacent to each other in a very sensible way. Thus I created the following chart:

Please discuss. Note also how each of the Seven Spheres finds its opposite in the intersection between the two furthest spheres, in the following pattern:
[ul]
[li]The aristocratic Incelbund is opposed by the lowly peasant sensibilities of Caesar's Rabble and the Church Ladies[/li]
[li]The Lotharios are opposed by the reactionary religiosity of the Church Ladies and the Collapsist Reactionaries[/li]
[li]The Hyperboreans are opposed by the philosophical orientation of the Collapsist Reactionaries and the Sophist Sages[/li]
[li]Caesar's Rubble is opposed by the sensitivity and refined tastes of the Sophist Sages and the Incelbund[/li]
[li]The Church Ladies are opposed by the rebellious iconoclasm and the will to dominate of the Incelbund and the Lotharios (their intersection is incarnated in the figure of BAP, who fittingly seems to become involved in a new dispute with Church Lady-types every week or so).[/li]
[li]The Collapist Reactionaries are opposed by the brutish masculinity and lust of the Lotharios and the Hyperboreans.[/li]
[li]The Sophist Sages are opposed by the crude racism of the Hyperboreans and Caesar's Rabble (cf. wignat "racism as knee-jerk in-group loyalty" vs Hakanian "racism as queen of the sciences and world-historical will to power").[/li]
[/ul]

I may be a month late (and also a newfag), but I do like this chart and have some comments/questions:

a) What would you consider the ideological differences between the Hyperboreans and Incelbund?
b) Wouldn't it make more sense to put Varg with the Collapsists? He's "Hyperborean" mostly in aesthetic, but in ideology he's all about primitivism.
c) Where would you put William Luther Pierce and those inspired by him? My best guess is "Hyperboreans."
d) Where would you put Thuletide and his kind? My best guess is "Sages & Sophists."
e) Where would you put Kevin MacDonald and his kind? My guess is in that huge middle space between "Caesar's Rabble" and "Church Ladies," but I'm less confident in this guess.

I think this graphic has some good insights into how the members of the DR interact with each other, and where some of the divisions come from. But some of these categories seem a little nebulous (then again, the "on the ground" situation they're mapping is also a little nebulous).

[Guest]

Russophilia and admiration of "Based Putin" is synonymous with Norwoodism which BAP embarrassingly turned towards. It is right wing third-worldism.

How is Third worldism supporting one of the most Whites countries in the world that hasn't been flooded with browns and blacks ?

3rd worldism is an apt descriptor whenever there is an an international underdog narrative like with gaddafi or the lion of damascus or le based taliban. It doesn't matter how white or otherwise they are. The typical point is that it is a countersignalling strategy based on the "USA... le bad!" narrative. People post edits of le schizo troll character as russia surrounded by nato on all sides so russia is being framed (maybe not by BAP, but generally by pro-russ'ers) as the good guys.

How good are the russians genetically? I like the udmurts a bit but sometimes their faces are kind of weird or even outright asian.

Not really. I presume most of the Americans that one sees "countersignalling" the US and NATO only do so because Russia delegitimises the faggot occupied government that is America. In any case, you understand that every other tweet you see on right wing twitter was typed out by a retard mimicking some sentiment that they thought would make them fit in right?

Oh, sweet Jesus, that picture is horrible. I remember when some Jewish tricks were running around about the white house also like some parade inside the walls.

[Golden Birch Groyper]

I had seen that image a few times before, but looking at it this time I realized that the cliques were all adjacent to each other in a very sensible way. Thus I created the following chart:

Please discuss. Note also how each of the Seven Spheres finds its opposite in the intersection between the two furthest spheres, in the following pattern:
[ul]
[li]The aristocratic Incelbund is opposed by the lowly peasant sensibilities of Caesar's Rabble and the Church Ladies[/li]
[li]The Lotharios are opposed by the reactionary religiosity of the Church Ladies and the Collapsist Reactionaries[/li]
[li]The Hyperboreans are opposed by the philosophical orientation of the Collapsist Reactionaries and the Sophist Sages[/li]
[li]Caesar's Rubble is opposed by the sensitivity and refined tastes of the Sophist Sages and the Incelbund[/li]
[li]The Church Ladies are opposed by the rebellious iconoclasm and the will to dominate of the Incelbund and the Lotharios (their intersection is incarnated in the figure of BAP, who fittingly seems to become involved in a new dispute with Church Lady-types every week or so).[/li]
[li]The Collapist Reactionaries are opposed by the brutish masculinity and lust of the Lotharios and the Hyperboreans.[/li]
[li]The Sophist Sages are opposed by the crude racism of the Hyperboreans and Caesar's Rabble (cf. wignat "racism as knee-jerk in-group loyalty" vs Hakanian "racism as queen of the sciences and world-historical will to power").[/li]
[/ul]

I may be a month late (and also a newfag), but I do like this chart and have some comments/questions:

a) What would you consider the ideological differences between the Hyperboreans and Incelbund?
b) Wouldn't it make more sense to put Varg with the Collapsists? He's "Hyperborean" mostly in aesthetic, but in ideology he's all about primitivism.
c) Where would you put William Luther Pierce and those inspired by him? My best guess is "Hyperboreans."
d) Where would you put Thuletide and his kind? My best guess is "Sages & Sophists."
e) Where would you put Kevin MacDonald and his kind? My guess is in that huge middle space between "Caesar's Rabble" and "Church Ladies," but I'm less confident in this guess.

I think this graphic has some good insights into how the members of the DR interact with each other, and where some of the divisions come from. But some of these categories seem a little nebulous (then again, the "on the ground" situation they're mapping is also a little nebulous).

Yeah I struggle a bit with the "Hyperborean" category - the description the chart provides seems to be at odds with the actual ideology that would go there. The fascination with fascist/esoteric aesthetics, particularly "schizo edits" and things like that, seem more in tune with the tastes of the Incelbund - maybe a slightly out of date version of the Incelbund. The chart, however, would (IMO, correctly) suggest that this crowd is somewhere between the Nietzschean/Amarnite right and the populist rabble of Alex Jones and Co. The logical embodiment of that figure would probably be someone like Richard Spencer, Nick Fuentes, or some other facephag white nationalist - someone who has overtly racist or white nationalist sensibilities, but mixes them with a populist disdain for theory or aristocratic taste. 

Someone like The Golden One might be a reasonably decent embodiment of this type, though he has a peculiar "wholesome chungus" lean to him that makes him odd to place. Nick Fuentes is another good example, again leaning towards Caesars Rabble. Thomas777 is probably the best of this type, mixing the Hyperborean with a dash of the aristocratic sage. Between the three of them, you could imagine a theoretical "average Hyperborean" that would combine/average their stances. It would probably look a lot like an old school facefag neo Nazi with good PR skills - such as Richard Spencer aspired to be.

[chevauchee]

I find it hard to place myself in that seven-sided metric which means it's probably largely accurate. I could sit right next to Spengler on there, but he and I are both lovers of action, adventure, and the truly effective.