The Path to Ultimate Power: How Do We Win?
My thoughts concerning some of the most promising ideas that have been discussed here and elsewhere.

Wag-ner and Prigo’s recent actions in the ongoing war in Europe are proof of concept for what a genuine manifestation of the “classical man” might be able to accomplish in the future using PMCs. What can be done in the meantime to increase importance and independence of PMCs, to make the path easier for when the great man arrives?

BAP has repeatedly expressed hope for an innovation in military tech that would make the skilled individual warrior relevant again on the battlefield, hopefully leading to interesting cultural changes. Something like the personal shields in Dune. I have not seen sustained discussion of this anywhere, it seems like one of the most important projects that could be pursued by those in our sphere with the required skills and knowledge. As we speak there are some people trying to figure out how to effectively farm spider silk to make body armor, for instance by implanting relevant spider genes into silkworms: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_silk . Arms companies around the world, big and small, are surely working on other such projects.  All in all this seems like an area where concrete progress is actually possible!

A related point, inspired by the current war in Europe, is that developments in cheap drone technology are already starting to make obsolete the kinds of expensive, complex weapons systems with convoluted supply chains that only powerful states can produce and pay for. In principle any such “democratization” of war constitutes progress, although drone technology in particular might make bringing back the skilled individual warrior more difficult. But still, another area where concrete progress is actually possible.

Fight Club is often sneered at. I think there are some interesting ideas there. Finding ways to mess with the data flows and record piles the current system relies on (which are the way the world is made “legible” to the state and opened up to the extreme levels of control we’re currently living under). In association with this I remember the observation made by BAP and others that it is strange how “public acts” today almost never target anything or anyone actually plugged into the ruling regime’s power-web (Bray-vik sort of an exception – I am merely describing, not endorsing), as well as how rare-seeming individuals with skills relevant to data-disruption who are ready to “throw their life on the pyre” are (We-ev for instance). But I do not code, maybe I am naïve about the prospects of such projects?

This leads me to another point. I think Unicode Poster (RIP) is right that “If you want to win this late into the game, then you'd need to rally a group of people who all agree to commit their life and the life of their children to the cause… if you ain't willing to lie, cheat, steal, and murder your way to the top you will remain on the bottom.” Underlying this observation, and even more fundamental, is that there must emerge skilled young men ready to “throw their life on the pyre”. Without this disposition, nothing will get done. Finding ways to cultivate it should be of paramount concern, even as the world situation (especially living standards) continue to decline (which will make cultivating this disposition ever easier). A challenge to this is the potential tension with family formation (an issue that has been discussed at length between BAP and his critics, and which must continue to be explored).

Finally, there seem to be at least a few billionaires paying attention to, or at least aware of prominent figures in our sphere (most notably BAP). Seduction of these types must continue, in order to secure funding for experiments in breeding and cultivation of certain psychological and physiological traits and types. What more can be done to achieve success in this domain?
(08-01-2023, 07:41 PM)Julien Sorel Wrote: Finally, there seem to be at least a few billionaires paying attention to, or at least aware of prominent figures in our sphere (most notably BAP). Seduction of these types must continue, in order to secure funding for experiments in breeding and cultivation of certain psychological and physiological traits and types. What more can be done to achieve success in this domain?

This seems like the most practical thing to me. Sure maybe someone invents a spiritual equivalent to the Gundam one day allowing teenage autists to become one-man-armies, but in the meantime we need to look at how to leverage what we've got. I emphasise that part because a lot of people seem interested in instead becoming what can be leveraged against the world. There's not nothing to this, but you also have to consider what you're acclimating yourself to and why. We see people all around us trying to turn themselves into niggers so that they can better interface with nigger-world.

But what do we have right now and what is it good for? If we lean into our own natures and grow as we are rather than what we think might be useful what could come of that?

A guest above asked if any of "us" work for Trump. Directly, I don't think so. But if you're willing to expand "us" and what it means to work for Trump a bit, yes. One of the guys from AutoAdmit got a job programming ("writing for") Tucker Carlson, which seems to basically be a direct line to Trump and Republican America. If I were American and a few years older that could have been me. As I am also a bitter burned out law student who enjoys hating his country on the internet.

In terms of what we have and what we can do with it I think the charm and "seduction" angle is the best we can do. As I've said elsewhere I don't believe we need to become cooler than the other sides. We already are. It's just that the other sides have all the leverage right now and can multiply their rather puny innate strengths to an absurd degree. Thomas777 is from what I hear the only person banned from Telegram who hasn't been doing explicitly illegal and extreme things. It's like multiplication. Thomas is cool and correct, so he's a massive starting figure. A little bit of leverage goes far further for him than a lot goes for some faggot the cathedral wants you looking at. Let's be real it has probably cost billions by this point to force Ben Shapiro as a meme. White you have to put in money and work to make people not worship a guy like Thomas777.

And of course I can relate. Amarna1 got killed. It was taking off like a rocket and had to be intercepted. I think all of us here have the right stuff. We can't let ourselves get diluted and distracted fussing about what we maybe should be. If we be entirely what we are I think we'll become incandescent.

I'm not going to change, but I am willing to look into ways to leverage myself against the world. Multiply the impact of what I already am. I know it's extremely simple right now but this is why I don't just spend all day talking pleasantly with personal friends. If I post in a public space like here, if I put things on youtube, that's more force exerted against the world. I don't think Peter Thiel is watching, but the light spreads and catches if you focus on it.

If I have an immediate practical priority in the future it's leverage. I want to actually edit some stuff for youtube. Crystallise some more sophisticated thoughts which mean more to me. Write some more formal work which I might put up in a few different places to catch different kinds of attention. This is our angle. Or at least mine. I am not a PMC leader. I am not Trump. But I am definitely something.
(08-01-2023, 08:17 PM)anthony Wrote: But what do we have right now and what is it good for? If we lean into our own natures and grow as we are rather than what we think might be useful what could come of that?

Beautiful and well said.

(08-01-2023, 08:17 PM)anthony Wrote: I'm not going to change, but I am willing to look into ways to leverage myself against the world. Multiply the impact of what I already am. I know it's extremely simple right now but this is why I don't just spend all day talking pleasantly with personal friends. If I post in a public space like here, if I put things on youtube, that's more force exerted against the world. I don't think Peter Thiel is watching, but the light spreads and catches if you focus on it.

If I have an immediate practical priority in the future it's leverage. I want to actually edit some stuff for youtube. Crystallise some more sophisticated thoughts which mean more to me. Write some more formal work which I might put up in a few different places to catch different kinds of attention. This is our angle. Or at least mine. I am not a PMC leader. I am not Trump. But I am definitely something.

These are good things to do, especially for you to do given who you are. Increase your leverage. (I like the way you framed this, and the Thomas/Shapiro comparison.)

Moldbug now believes art is the "path to ultimate power". He isn't wrong about the power and importance of art - it is at the very least a path or part of the path to power - but he is a philistine and completely unsuited for anything having to do with art in general or with this role of art in particular. He is incapable of envisioning a new way forward for art, which is why he is spending his time throwing Thiel's money at hipster nothings in Manhattan.

But eventually you can do what Moldbug cannot. Long-term, the projects you've mentioned to increase your leverage, and the further development of your thoughts can lead to a vision of new way forward for art, one that can help guide artists of the future. This is another area where real progress is possible, by you and those like you (you're right that we don't all need to be engineers chemists hackers mercenaries etc.). And judging by the recent gallery exhibition of "right-wing art" in London, this progress is sorely needed. The best they can do right now is competent imitation of the past. Yet we cannot go back.
A few more thoughts on the billionaire question. Some of them can be seduced through charm, aesthetics, taste, and art, as suggested above. There is another strategy though which can be pursued in parallel, and which can be mutually reinforcing with the first.

In the latest episode of CR (142), BAP says around 53:25 (not for the first time) that "our only hope is to convince a good portion of intelligent, powerful people, and you do that by telling the truth" (his full remarks on this from around 51:50 to 54:10 are worth listening to). Who in the elite can be convinced and seduced by the truth? The hyper-successful billionaire autists in fields like tech who put truth, honesty, and rationality above all else as a matter of instinct, and who are some of the only genuinely competent people left in the system. This is a major weak point in the system. Look at how afraid the regime is even of Elon's minor deviations from the script, and how they are trying to destroy him.

In general I think this has to be the way forward. The masses will never be "convinced' rationally, and the tools to sway them by manipulating their passions through rhetoric are beyond our grasp - the current regime maintains a vice grip on mass media and is consolidating control over social media.

I also believe truth-telling is important for deeper reasons. As @anthony put it in his excellent post on Canute from Vinland Saga, "we cannot go back". Not only with respect to art, as I said in my previous post, but in all psychological and physiological respects. In his post on Canute Anthony talked about embracing civility and being conscious men, and not collapsing back into unreflective barbarism. The same applies to rationality, honesty, intellectual integrity, and genuine science. Nietzsche shows in the third book of the Genealogy how the culture of the West, Christianity included, has led to a point where now rationality, honesty, intellectual integrity, and science are culturally and psychologically paramount (even if the current regime of defectives and mediocrities corrupts and perverts these values, most of them still adhere to these values religiously - they consider themselves the rational, scientific expert elect - and the genuine psychopaths that don't actually adhere to these values pay lip service to them. All this is evident in regime propaganda.) Telling the truth is effective because it flows with rather than against this concrete cultural and psychological reality, and appeals to talented autists who have been able to leverage their qualities and talents to succeed and amass power. We should lean into what we are and can be, instead of making doomed attempts to "go back" or LARP as people none of us can ever be.
When embracing an enemies claimed virtues there are two separate regimes of the strategy: using the virtue to claim right of entry and eminence within their institutions; or, using a prominent density of virtue outside the establishment as a brutal critique of said institutions. It seems these two have the greatest strength used in combination, because defense against the critique ("No, we aren't filtering great disagreeable men from academia...") reinforces the eminence of the competent entryists. ("Hey, we are doing great things, like uh all those ideas that we published in every popsci mag two years ago which haven't gone anywhere... and those 4 projects that professor groyper completed in the last year, paid for mostly out of his own pocket and despite widespread initial condemnation by his peers for flouting dogma and exploiting oversight in regulations")



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