The Path to Ultimate Power: How Do We Win?
Guests were permitted to "contribute". A dire warning.
(03-13-2023, 09:50 PM)rockies Wrote: Guests were permitted to "contribute". A dire warning.

I believe that as a general rule of the internet lurkers are the best posters, and so guest posting has potentially great value. It also allows no risk no commitment drive by and snipe posting from retards, degenerates, and lower-case morality-police, but it's all energy for the system. It's not impossible to read the character of a Guest poster. We don't have history to go on, but their decision to post as a guest says things too. Guest posting is rare for forums and I like having it here. Results are interesting.
(03-13-2023, 09:29 PM)anthony Wrote: What the hell happened to this thread?

Getting back on track . . . 
Mikka's plan is good. I could quibble with some of his points, but it is certainly >90% accurate. With that said, the question remains: What ought a Sensitive Young Man do in the world today? Others have suggested it and I agree, there are two paths: the criminal and the law-abiding. Even if one endorses engaging in criminal activity to bring about the KEYED STATT, does anyone seriously think that more than 10% of the work that must be done will be criminal? The vast majority of us ought to become upper-middle class business men. At the end of the day, the largest thing most of us could do to support Meritocracy is to write a check for $50K at the right moment to the right person. Yes, its true: foreign languages, artistic talent, web dev, military skills, legal resources, etc. are all very useful. Some of us should get into those things! But even those activities (become a Navy SEAL and starting a private security company with enough contractors to form a battalion) which seem more interesting than owning a chain of laundromats, will inevitably require a similar amount of plain business acumen. In so far as we are talking about what we should be doing now, let's start a thread: "How to get a bank to loan you $100K to start a small business."
You want to start a business in this economy. You have gone beyond larp to full on mental illness. Go back to the Tate sphere if you want to learn how to grift off of a broken system despite being a low value man with no skills or connections.
Unfortunately the pathways for people like us to get anywhere in life have largely been destroyed, or at least heavily disrupted. The further this progresses the more urgently something must be done and the harder it gets to do anything. Comparisons to someone like Tate aren't really helpful, it's far easier to rob and exploit than to build. And if you're here you probably don't have the disposition to start ripping the copper wire out of the walls of society.
This is an excellent thread, I will probably make a second post sometime later that can address Honey Moon Groyper’s request; he is on the right path. However I would first like to speak to all the blackpillers in this thread. By that I do not mean those offering legitimate criticism and critique. Such individuals should be lauded for making us all stronger, as the weaker of our ideas are challenged and the mightiest rise to the top. This process is essential and must take place. No, I want to address the truly blackpilled of which this thread has many. Those who see no point in even making any attempt. First I will speak to them with a quote from Herr Rudolf Hess:

[Image: Portrait-of-Rudolf-Hess.jpg]

Quote:I was permitted to work for many years of my life under the greatest son whom my people has brought forth in its thousand year history. Even if I could, I would not want to erase this period of time from my existence. I am happy to know that I have done my duty, to my people, my duty as a German, as a National Socialist, as a loyal follower of my Führer. I do not regret anything. If I were to begin all over again, I would act just as I have acted, even if I knew that in the end I should meet a fiery death at the stake. No matter what human beings may do, I shall some day stand before the judgment seat of the Eternal. I shall answer to Him, and I know He will judge me innocent.


Last statement made by Rudolf Hess to the International Military Tribunal in Nüremberg (31 August 1946)

Someone in this thread said we should jettison everything connected to the Third Reich and that it’s irrelevant to our current age, that the methods of losers can only hold us back. I’m more or less in agreement with one exception: their pure resolve and will to power. 



But lets take a moment to look at what the most blackpilled individual in the modern history of the right thinks about all this. I’m of course speaking of none other than Julius Evola. 

[Image: Julius-Evola-Mega-Blackpilled.jpg]

A fascist of the highest order who witnessed within his lifetime all of his ideas come to fruition and then be smashed to bits. Could you imagine a more blackpilling scenario? Just think if everything in this thread worked out and we won only to get eviscerated two decades later. It’s not some imaginary scenario to Evola, it was his life, he lived it. He even wrote a book about it, Ride the Tiger in which he outlines in exquisite detail all of the reasons why you should be blackpilled like him. In the penultimate chapter he actually goes over if it’s ethical to kill yourself considering the circumstances (it’s not).

Yet with all this considered, after everything Evola experienced, after being one of the most blackpilled men on Earth, the conclusion to Ride the Tiger, his survival manual for aristocrats of the soul was:



To be clearpilled.

[Image: Cereal-Guy.png]

His logic was if you believe in reincarnation (which you should, sorry christcucks) then it makes sense that different souls would choose to reincarnate at different points in history. Obviously most souls wouldn’t even want to reincarnate at all. Why deal with pain and suffering and being alive? The few that do reincarnate would all want to spawn into a comfy point in history where they can relax and chill and have a good time. So what the FUCK does it say about the handful of sentient Aryan souls that would willingly choose to not only reincarnate but do it during times of struggle and strife? 



Today it’s not even that things are challenging, it’s that everything is completely despondent and seems totally lost. It’s like loading into a Dark Souls NG+++++++ save file where someone has already killed all the friendly NPC’s and deleted their Estus Flask somehow. Who would willingly choose to load into that save and try to beat the game that way? You would have to be some kind of insane masochist that lives for nothing more than overcoming insurmountable odds. Well guess what, that’s you and that’s your soul. That’s why it’s here on Earth RIGHT NOW reading this thread. You're likely the most psychotic of all your ancestors. You've probably reincarnated dozens of times during ages of strife. You only spawn when everything is beyond fucked and you get to truly test yourself beyond reason. Or at least that’s what Evola thinks and he was way more blackpilled than anyone here.



We shouldn’t be working towards the goals of this thread because it is easy or even because it is just and right. We should be working toward them because it is the most difficult challenge that any of us could undertake. It’s playing the Earth MMO on Dante Must Die mode. It’s trying to beat a corrupted save file. It’s the whole reason our souls chose to be here. As such if you’re an aristocrat of the soul it’s the only satisfying path you can take. Everything else will feel empty and hollow.

So enough with the blackpilling, yes the game is rigged, that’s the point. That’s precisely why our souls have been drawn here. To play this rigged game and win against all odds.
(03-21-2023, 07:37 AM)Thulean Asuka Wrote: His logic was if you believe in reincarnation (which you should, sorry christcucks) then it makes sense that different souls would choose to reincarnate at different points in history. Obviously most souls wouldn’t even want to reincarnate at all. Why deal with pain and suffering and being alive? The few that do reincarnate would all want to spawn into a comfy point in history where they can relax and chill and have a good time. So what the FUCK does it say about the handful of sentient Aryan souls that would willingly choose to not only reincarnate but do it during times of struggle and strife? 



Today it’s not even that things are challenging, it’s that everything is completely despondent and seems totally lost. It’s like loading into a Dark Souls NG+++++++ save file where someone has already killed all the friendly NPC’s and deleted their Estus Flask somehow. Who would willingly choose to load into that save and try to beat the game that way? You would have to be some kind of insane masochist that lives for nothing more than overcoming insurmountable odds. Well guess what, that’s you and that’s your soul. That’s why it’s here on Earth RIGHT NOW reading this thread. You're likely the most psychotic of all your ancestors. You've probably reincarnated dozens of times during ages of strife. You only spawn when everything is beyond fucked and you get to truly test yourself beyond reason. Or at least that’s what Evola thinks and he was way more blackpilled than anyone here.



We shouldn’t be working towards the goals of this thread because it is easy or even because it is just and right. We should be working toward them because it is the most difficult challenge that any of us could undertake. It’s playing the Earth MMO on Dante Must Die mode. It’s trying to beat a corrupted save file. It’s the whole reason our souls chose to be here. As such if you’re an aristocrat of the soul it’s the only satisfying path you can take. Everything else will feel empty and hollow.

So enough with the blackpilling, yes the game is rigged, that’s the point. That’s precisely why our souls have been drawn here. To play this rigged game and win against all odds.

Excellent post, in spite of my mild distaste for video game analogies. As a Christian Evolian, I more or less believe the same thing, but just that God put us here for that same reason. I often think about myself in terms of the following Genghis Khan quote:
Quote:I am the punishment of God...If you had not committed great sins, God would not have sent a punishment like me upon you.

The way I see it, the author of your nature (in the inborn, Nietzschean, biological-spiritual sense) is the same as the author of your destiny, so logically the former should lead you towards the latter and prepare you for it.

I am reminded as well of a passage from the Prologue of Bronze Age Mindset:
Quote:There is in nature a great purgative function. You know about monkeys who switch sex in certain times. In lake of some reptiles, when they overpopulate it and there is a surplus of refuse, there is trigger in nature: a monster is born to them. A lizard many times the size of a normal one is born, who deals out destruction and culls the lake. The Greeks believed in this great power and worshiped its justice. In Bible it appears as allegory of the Flood, which in fact refers to the irrepressible spirit of the Sea Peoples, and the divine justice they brought to cities whose life had grown pointless, and a great ugliness on the world. You bring lion cub into the house, but Aeschylus say, it will become a priest of doom when it reaches age: in nature there is irrepressible force. Its violence against the surfeit of populations is divine justice. Its destruction of the feeble designs of reason, the pointless words of man—this is beautiful.
(03-20-2023, 06:12 PM)Guest Wrote: You want to start a business in this economy. You have gone beyond larp to full on mental illness. Go back to the Tate sphere if you want to learn how to grift off of a broken system despite being a low value man with no skills or connections.

*Carlsbad.JPG* "Moron. Idiot. Fool. Jackass. The American Corporation (A kind of GmBH, if you will) exists as a method by which money of all types can be legally and efficiently laundered. Only an unserious buffoon would prefer not to use every tool in his toolkit."
(03-20-2023, 08:37 PM)anthony Wrote: Unfortunately the pathways for people like us to get anywhere in life have largely been destroyed, or at least heavily disrupted. The further this progresses the more urgently something must be done and the harder it gets to do anything. Comparisons to someone like Tate aren't really helpful, it's far easier to rob and exploit than to build. And if you're here you probably don't have the disposition to start ripping the copper wire out of the walls of society.

I agree with much of your sentiment, but I think these disruptions you refer to have been largely exaggerated. Let's look at one lexample to illustrate: the military. Military careers would have been a natural home for many of us in previous generations, but we now generally feel unwelcome. Doubtless, recruiting efforts and internal HR policy has shifted the military decidedly further away from being pro-Sensitive Young Man. It would be rash, however, to assume that the military is no longer a good option for us anymore. Consider a few things,
  1. The demographics (among officers, which you should try to be if you have a college degree) is still majority white and male. If you have a bachelor's degree (doesn't matter from where, it could even be online, as long as you have a GPA>2.5) and are reasonably in shape, then you can commission as an officer in the military.
  2. As a freshly commissioned 23 year old officer in any branch of the military, you will have a secret level government security clearance. This does not mean you get nuke codes. It's just an extremely thorough background and psychological check. Private sector employers will typically obtain these for their employees at a price of tens of thousands of dollars so that they can work on government contracts. When you leave the military after four years (typical minimum contract length) you will retain that secret clearance and therefore be that much more valuable in the labor market.
  3. An often overlooked part of the diversity hiring programs at the largest corporations is that veterans get included as an underrepresented demographic.
    https://www.amazon.jobs/en/military
    https://veterans.force.com/s/
    https://careers.google.com/programs/veterans/
    etc.
    You Too Can Be a Diversity Success Story
Get a degree (do something easy like English, Spanish, or business administration) from a shit-tier online school (https://www.gcu.edu/degree-programs/online-degrees)
Maintain a 3.0 GPA
Be able to to do 15 pullups without coming off the bar (if you cannot do a single pull up, then it will take you a year of consistent training to get here)
Go to your local military officer recruiter. If you google search military recruitment, then most of your results will be for enlistment rather than officer commissions. You need to find the officer recruitment office. Ask the recruiter to verify all of the relevant details I am presenting here. Tell him you think the military will help you start your career.
After you serve four years in the military doing logistics or communications or cyber infrastructure and obtaining a secret clearance, you can easily get a comfy 150k/year starting normie corporate job in nearly any part of the country. You can also continue to do reserve duty for the military so you get the best and cheapest health insurance in the country. That corporate job will give you the freedom to save money so you can do the Things That Really Matter.

The path I have laid out here for the next 6-8 years is doable for 90% of us. It requires a small amount (you can likely take out less than $30k in loans if you do not work during school at all) of debt (which the military will help pay off) to get a college degree (if you do community college to get an associates and then two years at a university it will be even lower.)
This is just one example. There are plenty of others outside the military as well.

P.S. I am not as familiar with the British or other Euro militaries, but I think it works similarly. Most western militaries are big into the whole professional-development-as-recruitment-strategy.
I know a couple of guys with light military experience in my country. I don't think either will become officers, but they seem to have enjoyed themselves and gotten something out of the experience.

How I think I would sell this, what it has to offer to most people, is that it's a very productive way for a young guy to spend some time, learn stuff and get experience people will recognise, and it's likely not alienating to the point of inducing sheer misery. For my painful years of toil in university I have nothing to show. While for something like a year of army reserve training, they pay you, you get to spend time outside getting healthier rather than rotting in a box grinding fake work designed to frustrate intelligence and favour dull toilers.

Of course depending on branch and country, some military cultures are absolutely vile and will probably be more unpleasant than education offers. But something I would say everyone should consider. And not saying officer paths shouldn't be considered. What I mean is the military should be seen as a broader opportunity than that. I definitely think that these lighter runs would be very good for a lot of people. Less asked, less demanded, quite a lot potentially given.

The value I really see in this is as an alternative to the sleepwalking default youth experience after being cut loose from high school. That of some worthless non-STEM degree from shitcollege maybe paired with some slave-tier toil. Everyone I know who took that path regrets it. Practically designed to waste and ruin you and prepare your soul for the warehouse.

And of course, as honey moon says, if you're willing and able to put a lot into this kind of path, you can potentially get a lot out of it. Possibly set yourself up very well in life with far less contact with the poison of our time than most success paths demand.
I strong advise against military. It maybe the easiest most surefire path to 100k/year (not that much), but I promise there are many other paths. I cannot make any definite suggestions because it depends a lot on luck, networking, and your IQ. You will be forced to get the vaccine and go to war against Russia or China or sent home to kill American Trump supporters. A college degree is much safer and less toxic and if you are disciplined and smart and do well in college you can make way more money than anyone in the military. You can also do things like teach yourself programming. That's quite difficult and time-consuming and success is not guaranteed. The best and quickest opportunities will come from family and friends' nepotism getting you into a nice niche that you didn't even know existed hence why it hard to give advice. Worst case scenario you can become an electrician/HVAC/plumber. Idk much about the merit side but on the union side you get garbage pay for the first 5 years (still way more than working fast food or Home Depot), steadily increasing each year until you are a journeyman where you will make an alright amount. Better to do this than join the military even if it pays less. You can always quit too and you won't be in debt, will have gained some useful experience and have money saved up. There are paths from being an electrician to making 150k, not too hard to figure out. Worst worst case scenario, you are a fat Jewish registered sex offender like me you can make money from playing poker or counting cards. Feel free to DM if you want advice more tailored to your unique circumstances. The most important thing is to get to the point where you can save & invest a big chunk of your income so you at least can live without excess stress about money and have the chance to get rich off of bitcoin or some other gambit.

Now that I've seen 3 posts in the same vein, I have the material required for proper interjection. This is at the risk of sounding quite standoffish to what are, ultimately, very reasonable and sensible suggestions- I beg for your patience.

(03-20-2023, 08:37 PM)anthony Wrote: Unfortunately the pathways for people like us to get anywhere in life have largely been destroyed, or at least heavily disrupted. The further this progresses the more urgently something must be done and the harder it gets to do anything. Comparisons to someone like Tate aren't really helpful, it's far easier to rob and exploit than to build. And if you're here you probably don't have the disposition to start ripping the copper wire out of the walls of society.

(03-22-2023, 10:41 AM)honey moon groyper Wrote:
(03-20-2023, 08:37 PM)anthony Wrote: Unfortunately the pathways for people like us to get anywhere in life have largely been destroyed, or at least heavily disrupted. The further this progresses the more urgently something must be done and the harder it gets to do anything. Comparisons to someone like Tate aren't really helpful, it's far easier to rob and exploit than to build. And if you're here you probably don't have the disposition to start ripping the copper wire out of the walls of society.

I agree with much of your sentiment, but I think these disruptions you refer to have been largely exaggerated. Let's look at one lexample to illustrate: the military. Military careers would have been a natural home for many of us in previous generations, but we now generally feel unwelcome. Doubtless, recruiting efforts and internal HR policy has shifted the military decidedly further away from being pro-Sensitive Young Man. It would be rash, however, to assume that the military is no longer a good option for us anymore. Consider a few things,
  1. The demographics (among officers, which you should try to be if you have a college degree) is still majority white and male. If you have a bachelor's degree (doesn't matter from where, it could even be online, as long as you have a GPA>2.5) and are reasonably in shape, then you can commission as an officer in the military.
  2. As a freshly commissioned 23 year old officer in any branch of the military, you will have a secret level government security clearance. This does not mean you get nuke codes. It's just an extremely thorough background and psychological check. Private sector employers will typically obtain these for their employees at a price of tens of thousands of dollars so that they can work on government contracts. When you leave the military after four years (typical minimum contract length) you will retain that secret clearance and therefore be that much more valuable in the labor market.
  3. An often overlooked part of the diversity hiring programs at the largest corporations is that veterans get included as an underrepresented demographic.
    https://www.amazon.jobs/en/military
    https://veterans.force.com/s/
    https://careers.google.com/programs/veterans/
    etc.
    You Too Can Be a Diversity Success Story
Get a degree (do something easy like English, Spanish, or business administration) from a shit-tier online school (https://www.gcu.edu/degree-programs/online-degrees)
Maintain a 3.0 GPA
Be able to to do 15 pullups without coming off the bar (if you cannot do a single pull up, then it will take you a year of consistent training to get here)
Go to your local military officer recruiter. If you google search military recruitment, then most of your results will be for enlistment rather than officer commissions. You need to find the officer recruitment office. Ask the recruiter to verify all of the relevant details I am presenting here. Tell him you think the military will help you start your career.
After you serve four years in the military doing logistics or communications or cyber infrastructure and obtaining a secret clearance, you can easily get a comfy 150k/year starting normie corporate job in nearly any part of the country. You can also continue to do reserve duty for the military so you get the best and cheapest health insurance in the country. That corporate job will give you the freedom to save money so you can do the Things That Really Matter.

The path I have laid out here for the next 6-8 years is doable for 90% of us. It requires a small amount (you can likely take out less than $30k in loans if you do not work during school at all) of debt (which the military will help pay off) to get a college degree (if you do community college to get an associates and then two years at a university it will be even lower.)
This is just one example. There are plenty of others outside the military as well.

P.S. I am not as familiar with the British or other Euro militaries, but I think it works similarly. Most western militaries are big into the whole professional-development-as-recruitment-strategy.

(03-24-2023, 10:13 PM)anthony Wrote: I know a couple of guys with light military experience in my country. I don't think either will become officers, but they seem to have enjoyed themselves and gotten something out of the experience.

How I think I would sell this, what it has to offer to most people, is that it's a very productive way for a young guy to spend some time, learn stuff and get experience people will recognise, and it's likely not alienating to the point of inducing sheer misery. For my painful years of toil in university I have nothing to show. While for something like a year of army reserve training, they pay you, you get to spend time outside getting healthier rather than rotting in a box grinding fake work designed to frustrate intelligence and favour dull toilers.

Of course depending on branch and country, some military cultures are absolutely vile and will probably be more unpleasant than education offers. But something I would say everyone should consider. And not saying officer paths shouldn't be considered. What I mean is the military should be seen as a broader opportunity than that. I definitely think that these lighter runs would be very good for a lot of people. Less asked, less demanded, quite a lot potentially given.

The value I really see in this is as an alternative to the sleepwalking default youth experience after being cut loose from high school. That of some worthless non-STEM degree from shitcollege maybe paired with some slave-tier toil. Everyone I know who took that path regrets it. Practically designed to waste and ruin you and prepare your soul for the warehouse.

And of course, as honey moon says, if you're willing and able to put a lot into this kind of path, you can potentially get a lot out of it. Possibly set yourself up very well in life with far less contact with the poison of our time than most success paths demand.

It is possible that I read something into the contents of the above posts that isn't there; but the largest draw to politics for many young men is not a vision of the world as it could be, but for a hope of some security and stability. Most of the ineffective elements make this assumption first of all, and only after they assume that some kind of leverage or safety can be found does a plan begin to form- a plan that, often, only involves becoming one of the various cogs and gears of the decaying current society. We depart the original question (What is Winning, and how do we Achieve it?), and begin discussion of a separate question: (How can we Best Weather the Current Storm?) For polemical and personal reasons, I speak very strongly against the second, because most of that is simply "not politics"- it's similar in type to the homesteaders who say that "getting married and OUTBREEDING em!" is the solution. I don't believe a lot of that type of life-goal seeking is done consciously- it would appear that only recently have many of us realized the burden of expectations in a dying society that was placed on our shoulders, and there is functionally no other authority or arena in which the question of a good or satisfying life can be posed. Church, the Public Square- none of these are suitable anymore as an assumed context for which this question can be asked.

"The point is to get us to a place where we CAN support a Movement!" In which case, what is the issue with simply supporting a movement now? Hide fellow travelers under your floorboards, let them crash on your couch. Provide various cheap goyslops to marchers coming back from a day of protesting. Testify for the wrongfully accused in court. There are more than a handful of "movements" that exist already- if the issue was just providing support, then that's something that can take place already.

No, that's not the issue. The issue is likely twofold- first, extant formalized movements are headed and staffed by morons, who aren't looking deeper at their own desires and functions. Patriot Front, NJP, et al are VCR playbacks of all of the Greatest Hits of the 1930s, against a country and mythos engineered to thwart them- these are the more egregious examples. The intent isn't to blackpill; it's to point out that wider society has been indoctrinated for more than 70 years that anything approaching escape from the current Weltschmerz/Weltanschauung is not only pointless, but a valid target for scorn and ridicule- and more than that, uncertainty in potential converts. The psychological stew is very heavily biased against not only the New Worldview, but against anyone taking independent action on true conviction. "Play Along, Play Nice, Keep Hands To Yourself" is the default assumption, and without fail, to be involved with big-P Politics entails that one plays around this rule. Being led by morons leads to another problem- talent and manpower depletion from the actual Great Group which will achieve what needs to be done. No truly Great, or even Notable man will be drawn into these organizations, but it leads to an impression of Organizations being a bit of a waste.

The second problem is much simpler- the question "How do We Win?" presupposes another question; "What does it mean to Win?" IMO, this is what makes Mikka so stunning- he came with an unapologetic, unadulterated Vision of Victory in Meritocracy, as well as the step immediately before it. Extant groups don't have any sense of the New Worldview, and so most of their marches, their manifestos, are weak and confused- they're only reacting to current events, there's no follow-thru. In that light; does Winning mean waiting for 30 years for partner at some law firm run by obese Xers, or waiting for a promotion to middle-management at some real-estate company?

Most of the effective action will be primarily a gray-and-blackmarket affair- oversights, as well as outright scofflaw attitudes towards certain aspects of the State. Many of the laws as-they-are, especially EEO law, will need to be entirely ignored as a result of what they are. Many personal risks will have to be taken to reach the capital and power required for even the most measly of goals under the current regime- thankfully, there is no safe road to even the middle class anymore; so those capable of imagining and executing their greatest dreams, are the ones who are going to get closer to Winning, than those who only look for job openings.
I concur with Rockies.
While not totally unreasonable, the responses I have gotten have mostly just been nay saying.
Does anyone dispute that there are, in fact, private military companies in America today? That there are international shipping companies today?
It would take only a slight adjustment to turn these entities into Our Corporations.
The only reason Elon Musk is not a warlord with a LITERAL harem is because he does not have the stomach to end human lives. That is it.
Mikka's plan is good. Grimm made a thread about another possible course. History is full of people doing the things we are interested in.
(03-27-2023, 07:21 PM)BillyONare Wrote: a fat Jewish registered sex offender like me 

Joke or serious?
(03-30-2023, 12:02 PM)honey moon groyper Wrote:
(03-27-2023, 07:21 PM)BillyONare Wrote: a fat Jewish registered sex offender like me 

Joke or serious?

>he doesn't know
I was reading through Mein Kampf the other day and started thinking about what the modern American equivalent would be. What would a manifesto targeting the huge masses of dissatisfied & alienated young white men of the West for revolutionary radicalization look like? What primary political issues would it raise? This last point stuck out in my mind when I read Hitler's repeated calls for the unification of Germany and Austria, a very popular and understandable cause in his day. What is the modern American equivalent to this, one or more keystone issues that could help rally an army of young white men around it? I have outlined a few that I think would be popular based on my observations of American politics:
  • Stopping Mexican immigration
  • Fighting back against Black crime and Black behavior in general
  • Vengeful retribution and destruction of the current state
However, I think that the formulation of a solid, easily-describable, and positive vision for a Meritocratic State is more important than any of these aforementioned negative issues, the implementation of which should flow naturally from said Meritocracy. I think that Mikka was very wise to choose Meritocracy as our watchword. His Plan was a wonderful step in the right direction of creating a positive vision for the future to rally behind.

Another note: while Nick Fuentes is obviously a stupid, crass, and lazy Mexican clown, I think that there is something to be said for his model. He has clearly garnered a large following, and I believe that he has done something right to achieve this. While only his core group of Groyper cultists seem to care about his day-to-day antics & petty drama with BAP, I have gotten the impression that there is a not-insignificant chunk of young right-wing white men who might occasionally watch him but more or less just passively accept him as "the next Hitler." I'm not sure what the "good" about Nick Fuentes is, however. The suit? The branding? The streaming model? I am inclined to suggest that the latter is his main strength. I think that, in the modern age of streaming, a daily broadcast is a great means to propagandize, radicalize, and ultimately homogenous disaffected young white men into a solid Meritocratic bloc who will recognize a Meritocratic candidate or party when they see it and fall in line behind them. Compare with the radio broadcasts of Joseph Goebbels or Father Charlie Coughlin.

In short, the questions I leave open for discussion are:
  1. What is the best way to convey the vision of the Meritocratic State to the worthwhile masses - those who are not quite at the level of Amarnite SYM's but are still competent and worthwhile as potential soldiers of Meritocracy?
  2. Is there potential for a Mein Kampf-style targeted political manifesto to spread the ideals of Meritocracy and the 'Rum among said Worthwhile Masses? I am thinking here of the huge influence that BAPbook has had.
  3. Is there something good to be taken from the Nick Fuentes model, while obviously leaving the bad (mostly Fuentes himself)?

Is there potential for an Amarnite to go somewhat "undercover" as a Fuentes or Tate-style "leader of men" type with a well-written manifesto and/or a daily broadcast show, seeking to rally the masses behind our Ideals? Or would it be empty, impotent, and pointless? The fame and devotion that mixed-race illiterate idiots like the aforementioned Fuentes and Tate can garner by merely being there suggests that there may be something worthwhile here.

Discuss.
I was listening to a disagreement in a recent twitter space about Nietzsche vs Hitler. The disagreement centered on whether Nietzsche's Overman is supposed to be a man independent of the state, or whether he can operate within a state structure such as the Third Reich. There was confusion because Nietzsche seems to suggest contradictory things in different contexts. 

The answer is that both are basically correct. Not all wills are the same, the will to power and the Overman can manifest in many different forms, just as tragedy and beauty can appear in many forms. Zarathustra is not about whether you should live this or that kind of life, it is about doing what is most natural to your will, which is mostly unconscious. It is about being driven by your unconscious nature, rather than some moral or social conscience. Anthony talked about something similar in another thread, about "sharpening the will"; it is best to lean into your own nature, not to train or discipline yourself to do things you don't otherwise want.  

What I am getting at is that there are many basically "valid" paths for us to take. Some of us are more artistically inclined, some are better suited to work in the security state, some should get rich and become as independent as possible, etc. But, however many different paths we take, I would like to see us start forming connections so that, if necessary, we can support each other in our endeavors, and hopefully form the germ of some kind of secret society. 

Of course, there are difficulties and risks associated with this, so in the meantime I think the best we can do is focus on gatekeeping, purity tests, and attracting only high-quality people. One big advantage we have is that our values tend to be either completely alien or inscrutable to outsiders, which will help prevent entryism.
(04-10-2023, 06:56 PM)JohnnyRomero Wrote: Discuss.

The problem is when people pretend the path to power is a mystery. Finding "the leader" first requires a set of men ready for him. Men with the capability to lead as well, "the leader" appearing will not magically put in place the foundation necessary for his ascent to power. Like how Trump basically had to bow to neocons to keep his head above water. We need to piece by piece create a parallel system in which being radical right is the norm and no other idea is tolerated. Fuentes is remarkable for his ability to accomplish this, maybe not being "the leader" himself but being a strong leader who has performed well in his somewhat lesser role. The key to his success is having an uncompromising vision and continually working towards his goals. He managed to have an audience with Trump. So what would I suggest in explicit terms? Organize. Assemble a cadre of radical individuals that is ideologically uniform and have missions that will allow you to measure your progress and ascension. Fuentes does this with his conferences and events, his goal is political influence and this is a solid way to measure it. Without a way to measure progress or something to work towards, a group will stagnate and be stuck in a loop of doing the same thing over and over. Like how what qualifies as real activism on social media is posting memes. Obviously the users on this forum somewhat understand what makes this so ineffective.
(04-11-2023, 03:37 PM)turnip Wrote: He has potential that is wasted because he is a slave to his ego.

You didn't understand my point. The exact problem you and everyone seems to have with him, his personality and how it defines his organization, is the reason he is so successful. This is what makes a leader. Trump was a leader not because he was a faceless "populist conservative" but because he was Trump who was a beloved personality that people could grow attached to. What even is this self-aggrandizement people are referring to? A slave to his ego how exactly? Is this about him working with Ye? He has always been an open dissident, it's not a huge surprise that he would trade a Zionist faggot loving neocon for a Christian suffering persecution from the jews. That's the funny thing about people obsessed with BAM. They seem to forget that the jewish mafia exists as an existential threat to our people. To them jews are just "those guys from Hitler book" and nothing more than a meaningless abstraction in modern times. It's very sheltered and delusional, which makes sense since BAP has been an anonymous troll for over a decade. I have a lot of personal grievances with Nick as does everyone, but the only way to say he is ineffective or delusional is to have your worldview painted over by baseless smears and defamation. Kind of like how they push the holohoax lie so heavily so many generations after the alleged event.
(04-11-2023, 06:32 PM)turnip Wrote: shills like you

Very amusing. Some edgy kid is going to tell me how Trump is the next Napoleon when Trump is currently being thrown out of the running for misdemeanors. I'm just trying to discuss reality and the practical application of power, it's not my fault you're an irony poisoned retard high on memes and chink garbage. I know the reason you don't want to continue rational discussion (you're out of arguments) so you don't have to pretend you're on some moral high ground. Glad I got you riled up though, your type is very predictable.



[-]
Quick Reply
Message
Type your reply to this message here.




Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)