The Path to Ultimate Power: How Do We Win?

[Guest]

The key to succes is creating a secret society like the freemasons and Illuminati ,but right wing and pro White.

[Starn]

As much as the idea of the Illuminati appeals to me, long stretching secret conspiracies whose tendrils creep into every part of the world are far too slow.

It's been mentioned elsewhere, but Pinko-Libtard-Commies needed a 70-year long march to achieve in America a mere fraction of what the Nazis did in 10 with Germany. I don't think we could go that slow even if we tried. Thus, it's a mistake *to* try.
Thinking in timescales at all seems foolish. All manner of dumb prescriptions originate from doing so, it only leads to you pushing off any possibilities to the future. An eternal two-more-weeks.

Forget Time and act according to your options, like a Video Game. Calendars are for Bureaucratic and Logistical purposes.
No one bothers to keep track of the date and time in Skyrim.

[Svevlad]

Long stretching secret conspiracies aren't only too slow, but are also logistically impossible - conspiracies are mostly one-time things that collapse as the founders die off.

As a matter of fact any Illuminati style thing would act quickly and very aggressively. They form in crisis times and take over institutions via circular references in a I scratch your back you scratch mine type system. Basically appear as the most competent guys for the job by pushing each other and boom. This is how the niggercommunists did their thing - there was no "long march" - just a bit of public agitprop, a few mid level guys and a generational change. This was all done in 1.5 generations. No thousand year conspiracy or whatever.

[Aizen]

The answer to your question: The Wandenreich

My namesake Aizen is the main villain for most of the manga Bleach. The bad guys of the final arc, however, are The Wandenreich, who are modeled after Nazis. The story goes thusly: 1000 years ago, the Licht Reich sought to invade and conquer the spiritual realm, but were defeated. After their loss, they gathered their power until their King reawakened by hiding in the very shadows of the place where they were defeated. Do you understand my meaning? 

Right now, we are "in the shadows", in the dark corners of the internet, hiding our power-levels when we're out in society. Any sort of organization that is out in the open will be crushed by overwhelming force of ZOG, by the media, by the dumb mass of man. Any organization that will have any kind of success for us must be "in the shadows", which is where we are now. It's been nearly 80 years since the defeat of the Third Reich. Our Reich must gather its power, as is already being done, by continuing to push our message to those who have the spiritual fortitude to understand, who understand by intuition that this world is fucked up and rotten to the core, that "there is something deeply wrong".

Where do we go from here though? By what means do we Gather Power? Well, I was taught in gay pol-sci class one good thing at least, concepts of Hard and Soft Power. Currently, we only have means of Soft Power at our disposal, but that power is not insignificant. The Rabbit posted something very important on twatter recently, that, in summation, everything you see on the right is downstream from us. As example: several years ago many on the "cutting edge" were posting Uncle Ted, Homesteading, RETVRN to tradition, etc., but now all of that is considered coal. Why? Are we just contrarians who see anything that's posted by normgroids as "FUCKING GAY"? No. Rather, our thought has evolved, and continues to evolve. Because of this downstreaming, it's likely that Billions Must Die posting will become somewhat normie-fied in the form of "we should cut off all aid to Africa" and when asked "but what about the poor niggers?" you will see Tucker Carlson reply "who cares, our country is falling apart". This is the current level of power that we wield, and it is great, but we lack any form of Hard Power.

I don't mean to go into deconstructing meaning of "Power", but to put it succinctly, "Power" can be seen as the summation of three things: Influence, Wealth, and Military Strength. In a proper world, Military Might would be considered first, but seeing as our world is inverted, to gain Power one should consider Wealth first--when I say "one", by the way, I mean The Individual. Wealth ought be considered first, because Wealth--in a broad sense, think not just money, but assets, commodities, businesses, etc.--can buy you a lot of things, and most importantly, it can lead you to Influence. For instance, think of the rare earth minerals market. The mining operations which extract these minerals are the most important in the world, because they are the very basic elements which make up the entirety of the digital world. If one of /ourguys/ were to establish a company which was able to corner, say, 35% of the REM market, then they would have a stranglehold on the production of semiconductors and chips. I don't need to go into detail on how big a deal that would be, and how much Influence one would be able to gain from that.

Military Might is the most difficult thing to develop, as it takes much training and experience for someone today to become proficient in combat, and of course, it's impossible for a single man, no matter how proficient, to stand against the mass armies of today. To develop Military Might then, it is necessary that one have enough Wealth and Influence to be able to establish their own autonomous zones, free from the prying eyes of ZOG, so that those of like mind (and ideally, of like Wealth and Influence), to be able to train and become proficient in combat. There are other possibilities here as well. One with an autonomous zone, perhaps a private island or a compound in the Congo, would also have the Wealth to establish various research centers where highly trained scientists could develop new armor which could stand up to small-arms fire, and new small-arms that could give a single man the ability to knock a helicopter out of the sky or knock out a LAV.

This might not be the best thing to hear, because we want quick solutions, but there will not be a quick path to power. We will also not win through some "Long March" as the left did. The left's long march succeeded because they always appealed to the many, but we appeal to the few today who are of a higher mind, purpose, and spirit. Thus our path to power must be different. This path will take decades, maybe centuries, but in following this path a new Master Race will be developed, one which will sweep away the weakness of this world and set mankind back on the path to the stars.

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My one big concern is military training. Let's face it -- no mannerbund is worth a damn unless its men have some kind of shared military background. Even Himmler, who was mocked as a failed chicken farmer, served in the Freikorps. Given the "woke" infection of the Western militaries, I understand why so many are loathe to serve. But, what replaces it? These skills are necessary. Should we consider PMCs? Volunteer training orgs? I welcome any suggestions.

Combat proficiency is the biggest point of concern for me as well. I know that there are training courses that you can take as a civilian put on by former Spec Ops guys that teach you basics of combat. Beyond that, see the end of my post above on Military Might. What is necessary is that /ourguys/ gain wealth so that they can set up compounds and secret bases away from the prying eyes of ZOG, and have the kind of passive income necessary to sustain such. There are also many guys on our side who have served, and could serve as trainers. I remember a good post on moneytwitter talking about getting a bunch of guys going in on buying a private island and developing it as a resort, there are many that aren't so expensive! Quite a few, even, that are under $1 million. Something like that would be ideal for developing a mannerbund. Of course after that comes actual combat, but combat to what end? The obvious choice is to insert yourself into some African ethnic squabble in an area that's rich in resources and make a deal with the side that's getting beat down, use that as leverage to establish zones of influence, rinse and repeat.

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It's been mentioned elsewhere, but Pinko-Libtard-Commies needed a 70-year long march to achieve in America a mere fraction of what the Nazis did in 10 with Germany. I don't think we could go that slow even if we tried. Thus, it's a mistake *to* try.

I disagree. You can't equate the Long March with what happened in Germany. Plus the formation of the Third Reich was something that was stewing since the end of the 1st World War, and it was only something that could have happened in that particular place at that particular time, and only because of the VVill of Adolf Hitler. The stars aligned, so to speak. The Long March was wholly different, and was longer than you think. The US has been in a process of Democratic degredation since the 1820s, when the idea of Mass Democracy first kicked off. The so-called Long March is yet another symptom of the democratic impulse, as was the Civil War and WW2; it occurred because it was a spiritual movement at its core, a movement of the lowest and basest of spirit against the higher, wholly corrupting the spirit of the original Law given by the founders of the nation. Ours is a movement of the highest and greatest in spirit against the lowest who currently occupy the positions of power. As long as we keep speaking the truth, the young men with virtue in spirit will follow and pick up on it, and follow it to its end, and develop and evolve our thought to greater heights until it captures the world. Even if those of virtue in my generation do not capture the world, what we develop will be given to those in the next, and what they develop will be given to those after them, until this world is seized.

[Verl]

The answer to your question: The Wandenreich

You see my name, Aizen, is from hit Anime Bleach. He's the main baddie for most of the series. The bad guys of the final arc, however, are The Wandenreich, who are modeled after Nazis, and their arc is called The Thousand Year Blood War. The story goes thusly: 1000 years ago, the Licht Reich sought to invade and conquer the spiritual realm, but were defeated. After their loss, they gathered their power until their King reawakened by hiding in the very shadows of the place where they were defeated. Do you understand my meaning? 

Right now, we are "in the shadows", in the dark corners of the internet, hiding our power-levels when we're out in society. Any sort of organization that is out in the open will be crushed by overwhelming force of ZOG, by the media, by the dumb mass of man. Any organization that will have any kind of success for us must be "in the shadows", which is where we are now. It's been nearly 80 years since the defeat of the Third Reich, the Licht Reich. Our Reich, the Wandenreich, must gather its power, as is already being done, by continuing to push our message to those who have the spiritual fortitude to understand, who understand by intuition that this world is fucked up and rotten to the core, that "there is something deeply wrong".

Where do we go from here though? By what means do we Gather Power? Well, I was taught in gay pol-sci class one good thing at least, concepts of Hard and Soft Power. Currently, we only have means of Soft Power at our disposal, but that power is not insignificant. The Rabbit posted something very important on twatter recently, that, in summation, everything you see on the right is downstream from us. As example: several years ago many on the "cutting edge" were posting Uncle Ted, Homesteading, RETVRN to tradition, etc., but now all of that is considered coal. Why? Are we just contrarians who see anything that's posted by normgroids as "FUCKING GAY"? No. Rather, our thought has evolved, and continues to evolve. Because of this downstreaming, it's likely that Billions Must Die posting will become somewhat normie-fied in the form of "we should cut off all aid to Africa" and when asked "but what about the poor niggers?" you will see Tucker Carlson reply "who cares, our country is falling apart". This is the current level of power that we wield, and it is great, but we lack any form of Hard Power.

I don't mean to go into deconstructing meaning of "Power", but to put it succinctly, "Power" can be seen as the summation of three things: Influence, Wealth, and Military Strength. In a proper world, Military Might would be considered first, but seeing as our world is inverted, to gain Power one should consider Wealth first--when I say "one", by the way, I mean The Individual. Wealth ought be considered first, because Wealth--in a broad sense, think not just money, but assets, commodities, businesses, etc.--can buy you a lot of things, and most importantly, it can lead you to Influence. For instance, think of the rare earth minerals market. The mining operations which extract these minerals are the most important in the world, because they are the very basic elements which make up the entirety of the digital world. If one of /ourguys/ were to establish a company which was able to corner, say, 35% of the REM market, then they would have a stranglehold on the production of semiconductors and chips. I don't need to go into detail on how big a deal that would be, and how much Influence one would be able to gain from that.

Military Might is the most difficult thing to develop, as it takes much training and experience for someone today to become proficient in combat, and of course, it's impossible for a single man, no matter how proficient, to stand against the mass armies of today. To develop Military Might then, it is necessary that one have enough Wealth and Influence to be able to establish their own autonomous zones, free from the prying eyes of ZOG, so that those of like mind (and ideally, of like Wealth and Influence), to be able to train and become proficient in combat. There are other possibilities here as well. One with an autonomous zone, perhaps a private island or a compound in the Congo, would also have the Wealth to establish various research centers where highly trained scientists could develop new armor which could stand up to small-arms fire, and new small-arms that could give a single man the ability to knock a helicopter out of the sky or knock out a LAV. Thread on twatter talking about this if you also dream about power armor.

This might not be the best thing to hear, because we want quick solutions, but there will not be a quick path to power. We will also not win through some "Long March" as the left did. The left's long march succeeded because they always appealed to the many, but we appeal to the few today who are of a higher mind, purpose, and spirit. Thus our path to power must be different. This path will take decades, maybe centuries, but in following this path a new Master Race will be developed, one which will sweep away the weakness of this world and set mankind back on the path to the stars.

---

My one big concern is military training. Let's face it -- no mannerbund is worth a damn unless its men have some kind of shared military background. Even Himmler, who was mocked as a failed chicken farmer, served in the Freikorps. Given the "woke" infection of the Western militaries, I understand why so many are loathe to serve. But, what replaces it? These skills are necessary. Should we consider PMCs? Volunteer training orgs? I welcome any suggestions.

Combat proficiency is the biggest point of concern for me as well. I know that there are training courses that you can take as a civilian put on by former Spec Ops guys that teach you basics of combat. Beyond that, see the end of my post above on Military Might. What is necessary is that /ourguys/ gain wealth so that they can set up compounds and secret bases away from the prying eyes of ZOG, and have the kind of passive income necessary to sustain such. There are also many guys on our side who have served, and could serve as trainers. I remember a good post on moneytwitter talking about getting a bunch of guys going in on buying a private island and developing it as a resort, there are many that aren't so expensive! Quite a few, even, that are under $1 million. Something like that would be ideal for developing a mannerbund. Of course after that comes actual combat, but combat to what end? The obvious choice is to insert yourself into some African ethnic squabble in an area that's rich in resources and make a deal with the side that's getting beat down, use that as leverage to establish zones of influence, rinse and repeat.

---

It's been mentioned elsewhere, but Pinko-Libtard-Commies needed a 70-year long march to achieve in America a mere fraction of what the Nazis did in 10 with Germany. I don't think we could go that slow even if we tried. Thus, it's a mistake *to* try.

I disagree. You can't equate the Long March with what happened in Germany. Plus the formation of the Third Reich was something that was stewing since the end of the 1st World War, and it was only something that could have happened in that particular place at that particular time, and only because of the VVill of Adolf Hitler. The stars aligned, so to speak. The Long March was wholly different, and was longer than you think. The US has been in a process of Democratic degredation since the 1820s, when the idea of Mass Democracy first kicked off. I could go into a dialogue explaining why expanding suffrage to all white men is what led to the Civil War, but I'll spare you. Anyway, the so-called Long March is yet another symptom of the democratic impulse, as was the Civil War and WW2; it occurred because it was a spiritual movement at its core, a movement of the lowest and basest of spirit against the higher, wholly corrupting the spirit of the original Law given by the founders of the nation. Ours is a movement of the highest and greatest in spirit against the lowest who currently occupy the positions of power. As long as we keep speaking the truth, the young men with virtue in spirit will follow and pick up on it, and follow it to its end, and develop and evolve our thought to greater heights until it captures the world. Even if those of virtue in my generation do not capture the world, what we develop will be given to those in the next, and what they develop will be given to those after them, until this world is seized.

Poasts like these are why I love this forum, even with its many faults.
I love your point about how we aren't contrarians about former memes but rather we are evolving: that's very, very true. Everything is indeed downstream from us. Keith Woods said it best where due to our situation we are in some sort of accelerated evolutionary stage. This has been going on since the formation of the /pol/ board on 4chan in late 2011, if not earlier.

About your idea about how to establish 'hard power': Yeah, I do think ironically we need to follow the Metal Gear route. From memory this isn't the first time this has been suggested: There have been many plans to colonise overlooked lands: whether they be Greenland, "Las Malvinas", and Namibia. But they've always been for an 'ethnostate' rather than Foward Operating Base for future operations.
The main problem we have is co-operation: Even though we are very connected, advertising your new compound in central Africa will get you labeled as a fed and probably investigated BY feds quickly. It's not like if co-ordinated correctly we would flounder: I remember reading on Twitter that if any rich man harnessed the power of dis-enfranchised white male savants, he could rule the world. I agree. Any FOB, when properly advertised, would soon receive and influx of highly skilled and educated men (and even some women, mostly as wives), to work for its owner. Non-white nations already know this: China and Saudi Arabia employ many white male professionals by the thousands, unable to find work in their degenerated homelands. Imagine how much more attractive it would be to work in a truly free land run by your own race?
But will we end up like Rhodesia? Discarded by the world? Or would we gain allies in places not so privy to woke ideology?

But to cut it short: the main problem would be advertising and getting the place populated. After that, especially if the rich anon could manage to get enough married couples to come and sustain a high level of white population growth, so as to prevent becoming reliant on immigration, i think it would become a much easier ride.

We also need to direct an idea of a multi-generational battle. We should not rely on the 'collapse' memes that are so prevalent within our circles. No man shall know the hour, and we must work as if it will never happen. To believe in a better world for our children or even our children's children is 'true traditionalism'.

I believe I have ranted on long enough, good analysis weeb-fren.

[Svevlad]

I think you gave the solution for military power in the section about wealth - just as how one of /ourguys/ can make a resource extraction company that corners the REM market (easy to say, doing is a bit more difficult) - military power can also be cultivated this way: a security company! You can start small, and grow from there into a full blown PMC, much faster than starting a whole mining operation - which require absolutely ludicrous wealth to even start.

We see that nations and countries are collapsing conceptually - there is no need for us to acquire some sort of getaway island or remote compound - most of us are already used to the decentralization of things, being scattered across the world but still being "one thing" - a PMC tacked on a secret (not as in the Masons or anything alike, but simply unknown) "parallel society" is also perfectly viable, particularly as the degeneration of states continues, and the demand for mercs will only grow.

[JohnnyRomero]

From Mikka's curiouscat. One of the best things that's ever been said on the subject, essentially reverse-engineering what the Jews did in the USA.

"Q: Is taking over through the current democratic system the best avenue for a Progressive party?

A: It's hard to explain, you need a multifaceted assault, not all the wings of which will be aware of all the others. You need some sort of media baiting service and attendant political party, you need a small militant wing, and you need something like Propaganda Due or NXIVM; a secret network aiming to align all power with itself. I think most failures of 'dissident' politics comes from trying to do all of these things using only one of the fronts. "

It's up to us individually to decide where we would best fit into this scheme, and then position ourselves accordingly.

I have always been skeptical of the whole "we should just do what the Jews & leftists did" narrative, which has been around on the alt/dissident-right for a while, mainly because of the stark asymmetry between the Left and the Right; the natural social entropy of our tired and declining civilization inherently favors and benefits the Left and not the Right. This is analogous to Moldbug's point about how right-wing armed revolutions always end as failed LARPs, while leftist revolutions often win by appealing to leftist elites who are willing to go against the established system and Order as a whole for their ideas (whereas right-wingers traditionally won't), which I generally agree with. I do think that institution-building is probably the best option, but not for so short-sighted and stupid a goal as "winning an election."

[JohnnyRomero]

I think you gave the solution for military power in the section about wealth - just as how one of /ourguys/ can make a resource extraction company that corners the REM market (easy to say, doing is a bit more difficult) - military power can also be cultivated this way: a security company! You can start small, and grow from there into a full blown PMC, much faster than starting a whole mining operation - which require absolutely ludicrous wealth to even start.

We see that nations and countries are collapsing conceptually - there is no need for us to acquire some sort of getaway island or remote compound - most of us are already used to the decentralization of things, being scattered across the world but still being "one thing" - a PMC tacked on a secret (not as in the Masons or anything alike, but simply unknown) "parallel society" is also perfectly viable, particularly as the degeneration of states continues, and the demand for mercs will only grow.

Smart, as is Verl's post. In my absence from this venue I have been getting deep into Spengler, with whom I find myself agreeing wholeheartedly - this is not particularly surprising, considering that my most formative political influences (as a teenager, when it counts) were Evola and Nietzsche (the latter indirectly through BAP), with Spengler having heavily inspired the former and having been heavily inspired himself by the latter. An understanding of Spengler's cycle provides a great clarity for understanding current events. People generally know him as the guy who said that the West was declining, but the specifics of his cycle are much more interesting. He predicted that 2000-2200 would be the West's age of Caesarism. The quick rundown on Caesarism is as follows:

>After a Culture has evolved and explored every possible expression of its core civilizational ideal or prime symbol (for Western man being the Faustian symbol of infinite space and expansion), it solidifies and reifies into a Civilization, and having lost its spiritual and cultural creativity and curiosity, its SOVL, has now settled on a narrow and rationalistic reinterpretation of its prime symbol and now seeks mere physical and material expansion. What Socrates and Alexander were to the Classical civilization, Rousseau and Napoleon were to our own.
>This exhaustion of authentic spiritual and creative possibilities combined with the wealth, power, and social momentum accumulated during the previous exploration of said possibilities leads to a growth of urban power, of city over countryside, of intellect over intuition and soul. The rule of Mind (i.e. ideologies) and Money (i.e. plutocratic oligarchy, in our age expressed by democracy) begins.
>After a century or two of this "Rule of Money," enough corruption and incompetence has built up in the upper echelons of the civilization (which at this point has probably developed a single imperial state which encompasses all of the previously-independent lands of the civilization; America is to Europe and Western civilization as Rome was to Greece and Classical civilization) so that most people have become disenchanted with their own civilizational ideals but with politics as a whole
>After enough oligarchic corruption and suffering of the masses, a great unideological demagogue, the Caesar, arises and overthrows the oligarchy, finalizing the victory of Force-power over Money-power.
>After about two centuries or so of this Caesarism, wherein we see politics go from a collective cultural expression to the private and personal affairs of a few elite figures and families who act with little regard for or real effect on the common people, the civilization falls into its final state of rigid ossification, of corrupt and sclerotic autocratic bureaucracy beleaguered on all sides by barbarians.

If we accept Spengler's historiography, much of modern politics falls into place. Trump is the prototype of the Caesar, whose political platform and style will likely be copied by or at least partially inspire the coming American Caesar (who will, by necessity, be a good deal smarter than Trump), similar to the Gracchi brothers. January 6 and the resultant paranoid persecutions strongly echo Sulla's Civil War between the populares and optimates and the resulting proscriptions. The political philosophy of Moldbug seems almost as if the Geist, the Will of the collective unconscious of Western civilization, possessed some random big-city Yiddish gematria-rabbi so as to lay out the intellectual and theoretical groundwork for the future Western Caesarism, unconcerned for ideology, spirit, culture, meaning, or race in favor of a single-minded fixation on pure Power and Force. Tucker Carlson and Nick Fuentes are the future rabble-rousers and cheer-leaders of this coming Caesar.

Now, drawing parallels between modern Western civilization and the late Roman Republic is nothing new, certainly not on the Right. But the chief insight which I have gained from Spencer is this: Caesar is not enough; his appearance is not the antidote to decline, but merely another symptom of it. As clearly demonstrated by the failure of the Augustan Reforms or a hundred other historical examples, one cannot legislate a society back into morality and virility, and even the Emperor of the World cannot turn back the clock on civilizational development. And this is a good thing; as each civilization expresses and explores a particular prime symbol, a certain way of looking at the world, when they exhaust the possibilities of said ideal they will naturally degrade and decline and make way for the new civilization. Western civilization has thoroughly exhausted its energy and possibilities, and can never return to the genuine creativity and greatness of its spring and summer ages of the 1200s through the 1700s. I believe that a Western Caesar (who will almost certainly be American) will be nominally right-wing, and he shall most certainly be "based" - but shall he be keyed? Impossible, unless he uses his position to put the whole Western super-organism out of its misery a little early. Whatever "based" social programs he enacts shall be nothing but fruitless LARPs; we can see what Caesarist-era "traditionalist religiosity" and "conservative values" looks like by looking at the idiots and whores among the social media "Trad-Cath" LARPers, at the low-IQ Fuentesites for whom the entirety of Faith is vainly spamming "Christ is King!" on YouTube comments, and at the latest trend of TikTok women wearing wholesome trad folk costumes and homesteading. Caesarist America shall be a grotesque parody of everything Europe once was; contrast the excellencies of Herodotus and Homer with the silly image of Commodus dressing as Hercules and slaying deformed retards in the arena, the Hellenistic "art" and charioteering exploits of Nero. American Caesar and his successors may very well be "racist," but probably only in the same way that the aforementioned "Groypers" are; expect the persecution of high-IQ Jews and the elevation of low-IQ "based" blacks. It will, however, probably stem the tide of Turd World mass migration into Western countries, but we should not count on this in the slightest. Even if it did, cultural decline would still naturally reduce the white peoples of Europe and America from "peoples" and "nations" to a mere "population." We are already seeing this process in action today. A Yarvinist America under Caesar is not a nation or a civilization; it is a nondescript population inhabiting an economic zone which is ruled by a robber-baron, which will eventually degrade into a sclerotic bureaucracy with a facade of "based aesthetics."

So we get to the conclusion of my post: if we cannot wait around for the rise of the "based" Yarvinist Caesar as our salvation, what is to be done? The answer is: prepare for the next civilization. Western civilization is clearly on its way out, and we must not be caught up in the worship of any of its ashes lest we neglect the preservation of its flame. The following is a list of points for laying the groundwork for a new civilization (which, btw, none of us are likely to see, maybe not even our grandchildren; we shall be to it as the Early Christians or the Germanic barbarians of Late Antiquity were to our own Western civilization):

• The development of embryonic civilizations tends to be influenced by two main types of groups: "Barbarians" and "Monks," which oddly echo Guenon & Evola's conception of the twin spiritual paths of the Action of the Kshatriya and Contemplation of the Brahmin, respectively. Barbarians are self-explanatory, and possess raw hard power. I use "Monks" to mean tight-knit religious and spiritual groups more broadly; they possess raw soft power, being bearers of knowledge and ideas, both old and new.
  
• In the modern day, the best path to being a "Barbarian" is through the PMC option brought up by Svevlad. Bonus points if you settle in the relatively uncivilized and unstable lands outside of the cores of the various world civilizations (namely Africa, South America, Southeast Asia, and parts of the Middle East - Eastern Europe may also be viable); in those places you can solidify your power, instill your chosen ethos into your men and their families and offspring as you please, and begin the generations-long process of barbarian tribe-to-nation ethnogenesis which took place within the Germanic tribes of Europe between the fifth and the ninth centuries.
  
• The "Monk" option can be achieved in a number of ways. You could make an underground cult/secret society which remains active within the urban centers of Western civilization, following the model of the Early Christian missionaries; or you could retreat from civilization in a manner similar to the above mentioned Barbarians, establishing a refuge of white Western knowledge, wisdom, science, and ideals, following the example of the slightly later Christian hermits and monastic orders. Good examples of similar scenarios from fiction include Isaac Asimov's Foundation series and Walter M. Miller Jr.'s A Canticle For Leibowitz for the traditional "monks preserving knowledge through the fall of the Empire" model, and the Bene Gesserit from Frank Herbet's splendid Dune for an example of a more socially-involved secret society.
  
• While Western civilization seems certainly doomed to fall, we must make absolutely certain that it does not take its creators, the white races of Europe, down with it. Care must be taken to preserve white blood, history, and values; fortunately this does not require mass numbers or rat-like breeding patterns, which Thomas777 correctly identifies as a "coolie strategy" because "the white man walks alone." The aforementioned strategies should each additionally work as "Noah's Arks" of a sort for the preservation and continuation of the biological and spiritually excellencies of the white races.
  
• We must formulate new and dynamic ideas that can inspire great spiritual and cultural works, which are the root of all civilizational greatness with wealth and power being merely the aftereffects thereof. In this regard this forum has excelled, always looking forwards and not backwards, as has BAP to a large degree.
  
• If you are not able or willing to take either of the "escape options" of the Barbarian or the Monk, you can still achieve personal greatness and even fulfill long-term goals for Our Cause within the sclerotic empire of American Caesar, perhaps even helping to siphon resources towards those who have endured the smothering apathy, selfishness, and degeneracy of decline. Caesar shall certainly need magistrates and commissars.
  

[Aizen]

About your idea about how to establish 'hard power': Yeah, I do think ironically we need to follow the Metal Gear route. From memory this isn't the first time this has been suggested: There have been many plans to colonise overlooked lands: whether they be Greenland, "Las Malvinas", and Namibia. But they've always been for an 'ethnostate' rather than Foward Operating Base for future operations.

The main problem we have is co-operation: Even though we are very connected, advertising your new compound in central Africa will get you labeled as a fed and probably investigated BY feds quickly. It's not like if co-ordinated correctly we would flounder: I remember reading on Twitter that if any rich man harnessed the power of dis-enfranchised white male savants, he could rule the world. I agree. Any FOB, when properly advertised, would soon receive and influx of highly skilled and educated men (and even some women, mostly as wives), to work for its owner. Non-white nations already know this: China and Saudi Arabia employ many white male professionals by the thousands, unable to find work in their degenerated homelands. Imagine how much more attractive it would be to work in a truly free land run by your own race?

But will we end up like Rhodesia? Discarded by the world? Or would we gain allies in places not so privy to woke ideology?

When I was talking about Compounds, what u call FOBs, in my original post, I mean small organized groups of men, no larger than a Company (in military terms). There would be no advertising for something like this; although, as with everything, there would be a path to finding us. My ideal is Companies of men headquartered in various compounds and bases scattered throughout the world. It seem you are talking about developing new ethnostate, which I understand, but it is very hard to do, and impractical because of what Billy calls Eye of Sauron--the prying eyes of ZOG. Even Orania, with its special situation, has great difficulty in developing a city of only several 10,000s. 

What is needed is men of steel with Wills like tungsten and bonds like diamond. No centralized locale. Spread throughout the world. Unnoticed and untouched, free to expand their influence. This why I talk about financial success. It's not enough for just one guy to be financially strong, even if he is Elon-tier, because that gives you central point of failure. Another problem is if you are "too" financially successful, you are now on the "Radar". Diversification and clouding of wealth using numerous asset classes is key to this. It would be good to be listed as worth $100MM by Forbes but actually having control over Billions.

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I think you gave the solution for military power in the section about wealth - just as how one of /ourguys/ can make a resource extraction company that corners the REM market (easy to say, doing is a bit more difficult) - military power can also be cultivated this way: a security company! You can start small, and grow from there into a full blown PMC, much faster than starting a whole mining operation - which require absolutely ludicrous wealth to even start.

We see that nations and countries are collapsing conceptually - there is no need for us to acquire some sort of getaway island or remote compound - most of us are already used to the decentralization of things, being scattered across the world but still being "one thing" - a PMC tacked on a secret (not as in the Masons or anything alike, but simply unknown) "parallel society" is also perfectly viable, particularly as the degeneration of states continues, and the demand for mercs will only grow.

Yes you are right getting into Mining is very difficult business, but it was just example I had on my mind at the time. As for PMC, it is necessary, but in my opinion focusing on the financial side first is key, and not just making a lot of money, but essentially establishing an unshakeable foundation--this is other reason why I used REMs as example. Another market is manufacture of essential electronic components, for example. The former would take much financial maneuvering, and the latter would take inventiveness which is more of what I possess. You have to find what fits you and work towards that. Even if you don't accomplish your max financial goal you will still likely become financially free and then can focus attention on the Great Work.

[Verl]

We need to organise like Jews, fight like Teutons, with the ideals of the Divine.

[Guest]

We need to organise like Jews, fight like Teutons, with the ideals of the Divine.

For My Legionaries by Corneliu Zelea Codreanu had a pretty good part in it where he describes how Jewery works. He called it “the science of anti-semitism” and he describes it as if a nation were working within another nation. The general impression it had on me was that the side with a stronger in-group preference would alway triumph.

[Verl]

We need to organise like Jews, fight like Teutons, with the ideals of the Divine.

For My Legionaries by Corneliu Zelea Codreanu had a pretty good part in it where he describes how Jewery works. He called it “the science of anti-semitism” and he describes it as if a nation were working within another nation. The general impression it had on me was that the side with a stronger in-group preference would alway triumph.

This is why I've toyed with the idea of continuing the regime's woke agenda. Yes it is anti-white, but also:
Jews are lumped in with whites in the eyes of the negro.
It continues the triumph of the secular jew, who is ridding themselves out of existence.
What will be left? The Haredim? Those who willfully seclude themselves to new ghettoes in New York?

[NuclearAbsolutist]

Jews are lumped in with whites in the eyes of the negro.

We have had roughly since 1492 and the spread of Europeans across the planet 530~ odd years to see patterns of how non whites deal with whites and jews in various eras up to the collapse of the USSR and Boer rule in South Africa in the 90s. The answer is they will always strike a deal with jews if they wish and if they do not wish they will necklace them like they do white people. In every retreat of white rule to the rule of non white this has been the case with whites losing every single time, and the International System/general adversaries gaining or just having a blasted waste to look over after minority empowerment occurs when once there was a nation.

[Svevlad]

Increasingly I am led to believe that we can solve the BMD Question and this one in one move so to speak.

The key is that we do not need to take everything over then establish some dictatorship and start mass murdering everyone. This is actually woefully inefficient and labor intensive.

Instead, take my previous tips about building a power base, influence, and most importantly, global reach. But instead just hyperfocus onto either nanotechnology and controllable nanobots, or biotech and disease research.

When the time comes, unleash the weapon and leave nothing standing. Nanoswarms are better for this because they can be used for fast rebuilding and can be precisely controlled. Bioweapons are messier, either require the Elect to be vaccinated, or timely escape into bunkers to let the disease course through. In that case you want something that is extremely transmissible, but has no or almost no symptoms, very long time of incubation (during which it should be the most transmissible) and a 100% lethality rate. Release disease, wait a year until everyone is infected, have them drop dead.

Frankly I no longer believe anything else is even viable.

[JohnnyRomero]

"Sorry chud, but Moldbug told me that nanobots don't real"

[Svevlad]

"Ebolaidsmallpoxcancer it is!"

[anthony]

@rockies were you looking for this thread?

[rockies]

I was, indeed. Should have bookmarked it earlier. I may add my thoughts later if I can flesh them out to a point where they're more than just idle ramblings.

[rockies]

Preface: there is no method by which one can swindle a PMC into existence. All combat roles for currently hiring PMCs typically only take those with a "security background", be it LEO or military. Typically, there are standards that must be met before the PMC is permitted to operate in tandem with the U.S. military, which will include a background check, and potentially requirements for a security clearance. There might be some options for working with the intelligence community as a non-regular PMC, but that chance is relatively slim. Enrolling in the regular forces is "not" a guarantee that one will be made ready for real-world combat, even if going into any of the combat MOS across either the Army or the Marines. (11b, 11c, 03 are MOS tags one can search). Becoming a freelance mercenary with zero experience isn't unheard of, especially in the shadowy corners of the world, but should probably be avoided for now, as there's nothing "to defend" or "which can be taken legitimately" with a military as small as one could reasonably garner.

On a personal level; Most Army and Marine manuals can be found online. Read, match SoF's level of physical preparedness, wait. The militia movement isn't "dead" per se, but it has changed radically since the 90s, and is now unrecognizeable, and likely not a source of power for our type. I would advise against joining the military- it is additional manpower they don't deserve, with an abysmal RoI for the individual. Physical force capabilities will have to be Developed, but none Exist, and developing them at this junction is premature.

Fundamentally, what is needed, is a State. There's no way around this. Much talk of "decentralization" is popular nowadays, but it's largely worthless. Another term for "decentralized" is "mob", and there is nothing easier to control than a mob. There must be a group of our people who have carte blanche over the laws of a land, no matter how limited the size of that land, or how small the nation. The Right to levy Tax, to raise an Army (and Navy), the Right to determine demographic composition. Being "spread-out" is only a defense, and one with limited utility- at some point, these things that GNC attempts to dissuade must be pursued. There is a reason that even the still-birthed militia movement was stomped on like it was, and that is because ZOG wants to dissuade all pursuit of things that would threaten certain State-reserved powers. (There is an obvious issue here, but I would like the chance to rejoin it; let me know if you spot the problem with declaring one's intentions in the same world as a nation with ICBMs.)

I think the point about Caesar is very well-brought up. He can't be the solution here- the Nation To Come is something similar to the West, but not identical, and will not include all of it's current clients as citizens. If Caesar comes, he comes wrongly for us. I think as well, that there is no geopolitical Moment in the next 200 years where ZOG is put on the ropes by a foreign country- even in the face of a very obvious loss in Afghanistan, there has not been a legitimacy crisis. If it is going to fall apart, it will not do so on it's own.

Getting back to the core conceit. The method by which the State we want will be captured, will chiefly take place thru gradual illegitimization of the current state, and capture/supercession of select democratic institutions in one move. The reason that Hitler's move in Germany, and Trump's move in the States was so difficult for extant political bodies to deal with, is because the State was disarmed in the same move that it was attacked. What is disgusting in the inherited state can be liquidated, and what is useful will be kept. The chief tool for such a maneuver will be a very small cadre of exceptional men, a very deep treasury, and extensive automation of many bureaucratic and propagandistic functions.

The rest of my plan is poorly summed at the moment, so this is what I can share.

[JohnnyRomero]

I think the point about Caesar is very well-brought up. He can't be the solution here- the Nation To Come is something similar to the West, but not identical, and will not include all of it's current clients as citizens. If Caesar comes, he comes wrongly for us. I think as well, that there is no geopolitical Moment in the next 200 years where ZOG is put on the ropes by a foreign country- even in the face of a very obvious loss in Afghanistan, there has not been a legitimacy crisis. If it is going to fall apart, it will not do so on it's own.

Getting back to the core conceit. The method by which the State we want will be captured, will chiefly take place thru gradual illegitimization of the current state, and capture/supercession of select democratic institutions in one move. The reason that Hitler's move in Germany, and Trump's move in the States was so difficult for extant political bodies to deal with, is because the State was disarmed in the same move that it was attacked. What is disgusting in the inherited state can be liquidated, and what is useful will be kept. The chief tool for such a maneuver will be a very small cadre of exceptional men, a very deep treasury, and extensive automation of many bureaucratic and propagandistic functions.

A good balance might be in getting Our Guy into the position of Western Caesar, or even just into the position of one or more of his close ministers or higher officials (which shouldn't be too difficult, considering that we and those like us are high-quality individuals who will by then have spent many years railing against the decrepit Oligarchy he will have just overthrown and legitimizing his coming brutal imperial autocracy), and then managing the Imperial Age in order to siphon off energy and resources into the creation of a new civilization. It would be analogous to how Constantine ushered in the end of the old and sclerotic Classical civilization and the beginning of the young and virile Orthodox Magian civilization. You can also think of the example from Asimov's Foundation series, where Hari Seldon ingratiates himself to the Emperor so that he can gain imperial funding and resources to build his own Ark of Culture and Knowledge which forms the seed of his own New civilization to grow after the Old falls. The excellencies of the Civilization stage are in material power and technological prowess, which could be used to spread the seeds of this coming Keyedkultur far and wide, in heavily-armed and technologically advanced nuclear-powered eugenic fortified city-states across this planet, and perhaps even on others.

However, the old Powers of the Imperial Age and the young Prophets of the coming Keyedkultur must remain separate and segregated; the former will fund and aid the latter when requested, but must have minimal influence on the latter and their culture itself. The principle here is similar to how Yarvin says that the reactionary revolutionary who sets up the new NRx corporate state or whatever must give power to someone else, and not claim it for himself.