The Peculiarities of the Anglosphere; or, what is America and her place in the West?
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Hate speech laws in the United Kingdom
#22
(03-14-2023, 09:28 PM)Ver Wrote: >Australians seem to have a real hatred of
Some do, I certainly don't.

Hence "so many Australians" rather than "Australians."

Quote:>Australia is like a much more culturally British version of America

Maybe to an American but I and most others I know have always felt more of an affinity with England than America...

Maybe I wasn't clear, but this is exactly what I'm saying. Australia has a much stronger cultural affinity to England than America does. This is partially because of the various countries other than Britain that were involved in the colonization of America, partially because of the negrification of American culture (as you rightly point out), etc., etc. America is much more culturally innovative for a variety of reasons. In all other respects, however, America and Australia are very similar. They are brother nations with parallel histories. There is no nation more alike to America than Australia, excepting Canada. Or possibly South Africa. What I mean to say is that Americans tend to sense this and view Australia accordingly, while Australians tend not to.
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(03-15-2023, 01:34 PM)Muskox Wrote:
(03-14-2023, 09:28 PM)Ver Wrote: >Australians seem to have a real hatred of
Some do, I certainly don't.

Hence "so many Australians" rather than "Australians."

Quote:>Australia is like a much more culturally British version of America

Maybe to an American but I and most others I know have always felt more of an affinity with England than America...

Maybe I wasn't clear, but this is exactly what I'm saying. Australia has a much stronger cultural affinity to England than America does. This is partially because of the various countries other than Britain that were involved in the colonization of America, partially because of the negrification of American culture (as you rightly point out), etc., etc. America is much more culturally innovative for a variety of reasons. In all other respects, however, America and Australia are very similar. They are brother nations with parallel histories. There is no nation more alike to America than Australia, excepting Canada. Or possibly South Africa. What I mean to say is that Americans tend to sense this and view Australia accordingly, while Australians tend not to.

>various countries involved in colonisation
I do think that's a good point, along with the fact that America has a more older tradition of other Europeans immigrating to itself. Of course before federation we had other peoples immigrating here (our greatest mountain has a Polish name for example, and we also have a distinct dialect of German here which some of my blood is from), but around federation there was a great push both for the immediate assimilation of all non-British peoples, and also an indefinite ban on immigration from everywhere except Britain (and maybe other white settler dominions, I am not sure) which only began to be relaxed in the 50s. I know that America had similar policies around that time, but they weren't as strict as ours. I think the best example is that America already had a distinct Italian population, while we only developed one post-war, and was only accepted a few decades ago (I can't remember the name of the show, but it was based on some police scandal in the 80s and in one of the scenes it showed police invading the house of Yugoslav immigrants where they boldly used the slur 'wog', and this was considered acceptable in the 80s while at the same time in America pizza, a 'wog' dish, was growing to prominence).
>The negrification
I honestly think the negro influence is the real reason why other Anglophone nations seem to be so 'weirded out' by America's religiosity - you notice this once you see how the 'religious American' is always portrayed as a person from the Deep South which has the biggest nigger influence on its culture. I imagine also that the religiosity of Americans that is not distinctly nigger-derived still reminds the reader or viewer of that nigger influence in the South due to association.
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Since the topic of America's provincial vassals being more progressive than the master itself, I have put down my thoughts on the matter in comic form.
[Image: 7yEMTic.png]

tl;dr "Europe" is not progressive; "Europe" post-1945 is a weird Europe-shaped cyborg made and controlled by New Deal-era Democrats. This leaves only two significant opponents which the Progressive Program has yet to Reconstruct, Denazify, and Decolonize: Russia externally, and the American people themselves internally.
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(03-17-2023, 01:18 AM)JohnnyRomero Wrote: Since the topic of America's provincial vassals being more progressive than the master itself, I have put down my thoughts on the matter in comic form.
[Image: 7yEMTic.png]

tl;dr "Europe" is not progressive; "Europe" post-1945 is a weird Europe-shaped cyborg made and controlled by New Deal-era Democrats. This leaves only two significant opponents which the Progressive Program has yet to Reconstruct, Denazify, and Decolonize: Russia externally, and the American people themselves internally.

The logic of this comic does not make sense. Why is Russia unscathed and independent despite being ground zero for Bolshevism?
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(03-17-2023, 01:24 AM)Verl Wrote: The logic of this comic does not make sense. Why is Russia unscathed and independent despite being ground zero for Bolshevism?

Russia, as a non-Western nation which was not directly reconstructed by America and escaped fully falling under its sphere of influence, is not the concern of the comic outside of its brief role as the Progressive Project's dumb muscle. Bolshevism was an Anglo-American import which was thrust onto a nation of primitives, with very little authentic Russianness to be found in it.

The important part of the comic is Europe, and how the idea of Europe as being particularly "progressive" comes entirely from the post-1945 Reconstructed Europe of State Department Provinces. Some insightful but nevertheless cowardly Europeans (Yuro Norwoods) redirect their anger and resentment from being obvious vassal states from the proper target of American progressive towards the more visible and socially acceptable yet ultimately blameless target of normal American peasants.
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(03-17-2023, 09:56 AM)JohnnyRomero Wrote: Bolshevism was an Anglo-American import

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(03-17-2023, 11:05 AM)Datacop Wrote:
(03-17-2023, 09:56 AM)JohnnyRomero Wrote: Bolshevism was an Anglo-American import

[Image: b11.png]

Read Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution and The Red Decade. Obviously Jews were involved, but their center of power was in New York, Washington, and London, and they had plenty of willing progressive Anglo accomplices. H.G. Wells' 1933 book The Shape of Things to Come provides a good insight into the thinking of the average Atlantic Progressive elite at the time - that globalist, atheistic, and progressive socialism/communism was inevitable and good. Woodrow Wilson threatened to withdraw aid from the British and French post-WW1 if they didn't stop giving military aid to the Tsar and the White Army in the Russian Civil War. (Anglo goy) NYT reporter Walter Duranty was instrumental in covering up Stalin's mass murders and painted a utopian image of the USSR which was by-and-large accepted by Western elites. The entire FDR administration was crawling with all-but-open communists. In a nutshell, Roosevelt's New Deal and Stalin's Five Year Plans were two fronts of the same campaign for global supremacy, with the only real resistance being present in Continental European fascism.
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(03-14-2023, 08:03 PM)a system is failing Wrote: One of Mikka's more interesting observations was when he said Americans copy from British culture. This is, imo, absolutely true on every level.

This is delusional British self-aggrandizement. Contrarian, subversive anti-Americanism.

No - British people copy American culture and this is undeniable considering the fact that Britain is too small and culturally static in the first place to exert much influence, and this has been the case for 100+ years. Americans consume British culture, but British culture since the 40s and 50s has not been British culture, it's 100% American. Denying this is embarrassing.

(03-15-2023, 01:14 AM)Guest Wrote:
(03-14-2023, 09:59 PM)Guest Wrote: “May be true to some extent” it’s untrue and I disagree but I’m open to the possibility that it is.

“Timing” I was insinuating that he came to this conclusion from his resentment of American cultural monolith. A lot of his posts center on his British identity and a revival of British culture.  Taking this position leaves him at odds with American culture which is very wide spread. 

He came to the conclusion out of the necessity of his centering around British identity and it is not true(his observation).

Sorry for the confusion.

The reason America follows the UK culturally is the same reason Americans are “stupid and backwards.” America unlike her island relatives over yonder is large, and because of how the constitution was set up it is difficult for a small clique of radical leftist to push “progressive” policy in the country. The left was only able to make headway In America by possessing a majority in the supreme court and then pushing their agenda.

It may seem like America follows the UK because the UK is more “progressive” unlike Americans who are “stupid and backwards”, but really American leftist just have a harder time then leftist in the UK.

What does this say about Americans "copying British culture"? Saying Americans are "stupid and backwards" is a cliche, juvenile attempt to scrounge together a sense of British superiority by brazenly subverting reality.

(03-15-2023, 07:33 PM)Verl Wrote:
(03-15-2023, 01:34 PM)Muskox Wrote:
(03-14-2023, 09:28 PM)Ver Wrote: >Australians seem to have a real hatred of
Some do, I certainly don't.

Hence "so many Australians" rather than "Australians."

Quote:>Australia is like a much more culturally British version of America

Maybe to an American but I and most others I know have always felt more of an affinity with England than America...

Maybe I wasn't clear, but this is exactly what I'm saying. Australia has a much stronger cultural affinity to England than America does. This is partially because of the various countries other than Britain that were involved in the colonization of America, partially because of the negrification of American culture (as you rightly point out), etc., etc. America is much more culturally innovative for a variety of reasons. In all other respects, however, America and Australia are very similar. They are brother nations with parallel histories. There is no nation more alike to America than Australia, excepting Canada. Or possibly South Africa. What I mean to say is that Americans tend to sense this and view Australia accordingly, while Australians tend not to.

>various countries involved in colonisation
I do think that's a good point, along with the fact that America has a more older tradition of other Europeans immigrating to itself. Of course before federation we had other peoples immigrating here (our greatest mountain has a Polish name for example, and we also have a distinct dialect of German here which some of my blood is from), but around federation there was a great push both for the immediate assimilation of all non-British peoples, and also an indefinite ban on immigration from everywhere except Britain (and maybe other white settler dominions, I am not sure) which only began to be relaxed in the 50s. I know that America had similar policies around that time, but they weren't as strict as ours. I think the best example is that America already had a distinct Italian population, while we only developed one post-war, and was only accepted a few decades ago (I can't remember the name of the show, but it was based on some police scandal in the 80s and in one of the scenes it showed police invading the house of Yugoslav immigrants where they boldly used the slur 'wog', and this was considered acceptable in the 80s while at the same time in America pizza, a 'wog' dish, was growing to prominence).
>The negrification
I honestly think the negro influence is the real reason why other Anglophone nations seem to be so 'weirded out' by America's religiosity - you notice this once you see how the 'religious American' is always portrayed as a person from the Deep South which has the biggest nigger influence on its culture. I imagine also that the religiosity of Americans that is not distinctly nigger-derived still reminds the reader or viewer of that nigger influence in the South due to association.

Hatred of black people underpins ever form of anti-Americanism, though - the weird thing is, foreigners project features and problems of the black community onto the white one (crime, obesity and unhealth, stupidity, religiosity), because it's not politically correct to insult black people. White Americans should be absolutely enraged at how they're constantly misportrayed and abused in anti-nationalist propaganda, and give it back to the "Anglosphere".

For the record, the US is a part of the Anglosphere because it is predominantly English speaking - that's it. Trying to draw any other similarities is futile, because while some might exist, the US's history and demographics and much of its culture, not to mention its overall stature as a nation, as a military power, and an economic unit, distinguish the country immensely from countries like the US, Australia, the UK, etc...it's generally a desire to bask in the glory of American superpowerdom and cultural influence that Canadians refer to "North America" so much, that British people only speak of America positively if they can subsume us under their influence, or similarly that Australians only regard America with respect if they can pretend we're a "child of Britain and a brother nation" - if America is to be acknowledged for its differences, they are only allowed to be negative.

The US is much more demographically and culturally similar country to a place like Brazil, than it is to Australia or Canada. Both of these countries are more like what Argentina and Chile are to Spain - the US is more like what Brazil is to Portugal (x100).

(04-22-2023, 03:37 PM)Guest Wrote:
(03-14-2023, 08:03 PM)a system is failing Wrote: One of Mikka's more interesting observations was when he said Americans copy from British culture. This is, imo, absolutely true on every level.

This is delusional British self-aggrandizement. Contrarian, subversive anti-Americanism.

No - British people copy American culture and this is undeniable considering the fact that Britain is too small and culturally static in the first place to exert much influence, and this has been the case for 100+ years. Americans consume British culture, but British culture since the 40s and 50s has not been British culture, it's 100% American. Denying this is embarrassing.

(03-15-2023, 01:14 AM)Guest Wrote:
(03-14-2023, 09:59 PM)Guest Wrote: “May be true to some extent” it’s untrue and I disagree but I’m open to the possibility that it is.

“Timing” I was insinuating that he came to this conclusion from his resentment of American cultural monolith. A lot of his posts center on his British identity and a revival of British culture.  Taking this position leaves him at odds with American culture which is very wide spread. 

He came to the conclusion out of the necessity of his centering around British identity and it is not true(his observation).

Sorry for the confusion.

The reason America follows the UK culturally is the same reason Americans are “stupid and backwards.” America unlike her island relatives over yonder is large, and because of how the constitution was set up it is difficult for a small clique of radical leftist to push “progressive” policy in the country. The left was only able to make headway In America by possessing a majority in the supreme court and then pushing their agenda.

It may seem like America follows the UK because the UK is more “progressive” unlike Americans who are “stupid and backwards”, but really American leftist just have a harder time then leftist in the UK.

What does this say about Americans "copying British culture"? Saying Americans are "stupid and backwards" is a cliche, juvenile attempt to scrounge together a sense of British superiority by brazenly subverting reality.

(03-15-2023, 07:33 PM)Verl Wrote:
(03-15-2023, 01:34 PM)Muskox Wrote:
(03-14-2023, 09:28 PM)Ver Wrote: >Australians seem to have a real hatred of
Some do, I certainly don't.

Hence "so many Australians" rather than "Australians."

Quote:>Australia is like a much more culturally British version of America

Maybe to an American but I and most others I know have always felt more of an affinity with England than America...

Maybe I wasn't clear, but this is exactly what I'm saying. Australia has a much stronger cultural affinity to England than America does. This is partially because of the various countries other than Britain that were involved in the colonization of America, partially because of the negrification of American culture (as you rightly point out), etc., etc. America is much more culturally innovative for a variety of reasons. In all other respects, however, America and Australia are very similar. They are brother nations with parallel histories. There is no nation more alike to America than Australia, excepting Canada. Or possibly South Africa. What I mean to say is that Americans tend to sense this and view Australia accordingly, while Australians tend not to.

>various countries involved in colonisation
I do think that's a good point, along with the fact that America has a more older tradition of other Europeans immigrating to itself. Of course before federation we had other peoples immigrating here (our greatest mountain has a Polish name for example, and we also have a distinct dialect of German here which some of my blood is from), but around federation there was a great push both for the immediate assimilation of all non-British peoples, and also an indefinite ban on immigration from everywhere except Britain (and maybe other white settler dominions, I am not sure) which only began to be relaxed in the 50s. I know that America had similar policies around that time, but they weren't as strict as ours. I think the best example is that America already had a distinct Italian population, while we only developed one post-war, and was only accepted a few decades ago (I can't remember the name of the show, but it was based on some police scandal in the 80s and in one of the scenes it showed police invading the house of Yugoslav immigrants where they boldly used the slur 'wog', and this was considered acceptable in the 80s while at the same time in America pizza, a 'wog' dish, was growing to prominence).
>The negrification
I honestly think the negro influence is the real reason why other Anglophone nations seem to be so 'weirded out' by America's religiosity - you notice this once you see how the 'religious American' is always portrayed as a person from the Deep South which has the biggest nigger influence on its culture. I imagine also that the religiosity of Americans that is not distinctly nigger-derived still reminds the reader or viewer of that nigger influence in the South due to association.

Hatred of black people underpins ever form of anti-Americanism, though - the weird thing is, foreigners project features and problems of the black community onto the white one (crime, obesity and unhealth, stupidity, religiosity), because it's not politically correct to insult black people. White Americans should be absolutely enraged at how they're constantly misportrayed and abused in anti-nationalist propaganda, and give it back to the "Anglosphere".

For the record, the US is a part of the Anglosphere because it is predominantly English speaking - that's it. Trying to draw any other similarities is futile, because while some might exist, the US's history and demographics and much of its culture, not to mention its overall stature as a nation, as a military power, and an economic unit, distinguish the country immensely from countries like the US, Australia, the UK, etc...it's generally a desire to bask in the glory of American superpowerdom and cultural influence that Canadians refer to "North America" so much, that British people only speak of America positively if they can subsume us under their influence, or similarly that Australians only regard America with respect if they can pretend we're a "child of Britain and a brother nation" - if America is to be acknowledged for its differences, they are only allowed to be negative.

The US is much more demographically and culturally similar country to a place like Brazil, than it is to Australia or Canada. Both of these countries are more like what Argentina and Chile are to Spain - the US is more like what Brazil is to Portugal (x100).

It should be "like Canada, Australia, and the UK"



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