The Problems Of Fans & Fandom
#1
Recently over and over again in conversations I have had with friends, there has been a category a form of subculture that has reared its head over and over it again, like mafias or football hooligans across the globe. When I sit down to talk about the dominant modern arts of video games film and digital art and the conversation turns to audiences there is one group that must be mentioned. Yes the fan and associated fandom. Predating the internet by decades(Perhaps even longer looking at the reception of The Sorrows of Young Werther or the hot water Sir Arthur Doyle landed in killing off Sherlock Holmes) It like other cultural trends exploded with the rise of the internet. What I wish to discuss is that due to various factors I will go into more detail shortly, the mindset of fandom, in various forms has become the default view for looking at all media/art for those who rise to the minimum level of being interested in the subject matter and unpassive in absorbing it-a disaster for culture. 

Here is a image I made as a tldr of how I see it

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Starting with literature post 1945 and spreading to all other mediums(Video games would suffer the worse arguably as it would develop after this process had been largely completed) serious criticism and commentary of the arts along with serious artists would be sweep aside by those making art to fit consumer guides and tv brains. By the 1990s this mindset would roost in all nodes of artistic creation merely blooming out from then on with nothing to prune it. Under its shadow totemic thinking has developed for all those who process a interest in the creative. The difference being one of mere tribe and if you are a based member of the community or a stan of it. I consider this to be one of the main issues in culture today, this mindset reduces all to screeching like monkeys and much worse social behaviors. It effects creativity by colonizing the mind and withering any organic understanding. And lastly worst of all it moves to smoother those that do break out of it be it canceling a indie creator or fan work, or claiming George Lucas got Star Wars wrong. At this point it has taken root on almost all levels with no adults in the room so to speak to snap this mindset out on the production or audience level. In my mind it is high time for a examination of it-and perhaps a way out of such errors can be charted. So what do you think of fandom culture in video games, anime, manga, film, literature and music Amarna?
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“Power changes its appearance but not its reality.”― Bertrand De Jouvenel
#2
Fandom is the wilful submission of a man into a mass. That it affects creators...is somewhat true. It doesn't affect the important ones. For video games -- see Kojima, or see Nomura. I don't know modern literature or film, but I expect the same there.
The mass will always exist. As will fandoms. But the "keys to the kingdom" were given to the mass when authorities ceased holding onto artistic standards.
You need the academy to be strong. You need to punish those who go against the academy. This is the only thing that works.
Punishment might just be that low works are not allowed to be performed publically. No store-front etc. etc.
Or it might be more.
Anyway, the keys to the kingdom are floating around in the aether. All sorts of strange stuff is happening in every medium. It's temporary, it will burn away. But it will take conscious effort for this to happen.
#3
The whole notion of a fandom is fake and gay and only faggot nerds care about and use the term "fandom".

In other words, the concept of fandom is a theater-kid-ism
#4
(03-28-2023, 01:50 AM)Sanae Wrote: In other words, the concept of fandom is a theater-kid-ism

I wish for nothing more  for it to have stayed in the minds of such people never moving towards realization but instead it has as I have said burst out from 1970s low rent hotel conference halls to being the default way of interacting with culture on a level beyond couch potato. I consider it then fitting for the matter to be examined in order to find what could be it's origin the cause of it's rise and strangling influnce along with the effects such influence has on wider society. A mere type of human organization rising to hold such a death grip is certainly worth at least some thought.
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“Power changes its appearance but not its reality.”― Bertrand De Jouvenel
#5
Fandoms are usually horrible compared to the original product, if the original product is already bad the fandom will be even worse. But as the Great FrenziedFish wisely said "if Trannies started liking Hitler, would it make him coal? Same applies to Fallout New Vegas"
#6
It's a cliché but as the masses turn irreligious, they need to fill their need of worship towards something else, and popular IPs fill the void. I know a guy who bought the last Harry Potter game in its collector edition, with a Hogwarts robe and everything, called the game "a dream" since it meant the world for him. The fandom also fulfils the lack of socializing provided by religion long ago, providing the need of having common shared interests with fellow minded fanatics as well. In fact I suspect that most of the fandom types initially don't care that much about the object of what they're fawning over, they're just seeking a group to integrate themselves within and form relationships; this is the genesis of the geeky female nerd rawr, upon failing to integrate themselves into normalfag territory, they turn their sights into random media IPs to form a group and hopefully top the hierarchy. That's how you get dem gals memeing about how le cake is a lie XD yet haven't beaten Portal.

Of course, big media conglomerates and the elite itself profit from this process and they themselves steer the rabble into these interests. It's useful to have them worry about fiction and not reality, if they end up comparing drumph to Voldemort then mission accomplished.
#7
Fandoms are a natural consequence of low IQ niggers being let into what was previously high culture. If you personally do not have an identity, you either subsume into a group identity (hippies, emos, punks, etc.) or you subsume into a media identity. Most intelligent people I know identify themselves as a *fan* of what they like, but not as part of the fanbase. Critical difference.
#8
I see it has now become common for people to tattoo things from their favourite pieces of media on to their bodies, now fans are branding themselves like animals. Fitting? 

It's right to have distaste for fandoms as they are a haven of mass man but do not forget what helped kickstart gamergate, a fandom is as good as the taste makers and leaders of it. Hitler cannot be made coal by tr00ns adopting the Hitler fandom, but they could make Hitler II coal. So what is important to see is that fandoms can exert direct pressure and influence upon the creative process, especially in our time where games are released half baked and creatives have so little vision and control of their own. A project or piece of media often becomes a collaboration between the fans and the developers, the latter always attempting to please the former with each update or release. This however isn't necessarily a bad thing, especially when most of this media is void of any real content beyond it's entertainment value, the anger from channels like the Quartering against the woke invasion into their media is no call to anything higher but it is still a defence of some basic values and standards.
#9
(03-28-2023, 08:09 AM)FrenziedFish Wrote: It's right to have distaste for fandoms as they are a haven of mass man but do not forget what helped kickstart gamergate 

I consider the point you raised here, undermined by the point you raised here

(03-28-2023, 08:09 AM)FrenziedFish Wrote: the Quartering against the woke invasion into their media is no call to anything higher but it is still a defence of some basic values and standards.

It was debated heavily over on imageboards and the underground of social media what caused gamergate and the like to flatline, and the conclusion came to was what you said there was no call to anything higher. Even on a consumer level these gamers were not the high brow lot or even the exacting media consumer that is the stereotype of anon. They were perfectly fine the endless through until one day there was a rainbow special.  These types even now have not changed their fundamental behavior which indeed is that of a fan, only what colors they raise and catchphrases they say. With a minority who woken up would go on to brighter corners beyond that. I consider such social mores fundamentally bad. I will now bring up another type of fandom to show why using a image created to mock and illustrate it as a jumping off point:


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As far as I know other than maybe the term weird core enthusiasts this fandom has no name. But it is one especially if you spend time on such places as the more artsy discord servers tik tok and twitter it is someone/something you have encountered. It is the latest stage of development in fandom, no longer tied to any convention spaces or even a name. Instead the fans take pieces from all other and shut it into boxes if it was a franchise by themselves. The mindset fostered by colleges  modern production and above all the English teacher finds its fullest expression as a mindset that is total and applied constantly. At the same time you can naturally see this is a mess, most of the items there don't truly have ties to each other clearly it is all very fuzzy and loose. This fuzzy looseness is the other side of the coin of the (very)modern fan, irony faux disillusionment and coyness have become main forms of expression along with the queer theory and speculation of fictional mental health issues. Serious engagement beyond that is frowned on, as it kills the vibe and shows the whole network to be founded on lies and mistaken. Which is why naturally such types among others are if you by purpose or mere misfortune to do something in a way they don't like or have a viewpoint that is not kosher may go as far as to ruin your life online and offline. All while being dreary bohemians at 16-46 of course. Or of course there's the mirror image less dox happy standing up for his party of the little(but quite large usually) guy in his pizza greased stained shirt and den of collectables a figure for fun why they don't even care that much about the troons really...
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“Power changes its appearance but not its reality.”― Bertrand De Jouvenel
#10
(03-28-2023, 03:28 AM)Illustrious Wrote: It's a cliché but as the masses turn irreligious, they need to fill their need of worship towards something else, and popular IPs fill the void. I know a guy who bought the last Harry Potter game in its collector edition, with a Hogwarts robe and everything, called the game "a dream" since it meant the world for him. The fandom also fulfils the lack of socializing provided by religion long ago, providing the need of having common shared interests with fellow minded fanatics as well. In fact I suspect that most of the fandom types initially don't care that much about the object of what they're fawning over, they're just seeking a group to integrate themselves within and form relationships; this is the genesis of the geeky female nerd rawr, upon failing to integrate themselves into normalfag territory, they turn their sights into random media IPs to form a group and hopefully top the hierarchy. That's how you get dem gals memeing about how le cake is a lie XD yet haven't beaten Portal.

Of course, big media conglomerates and the elite itself profit from this process and they themselves steer the rabble into these interests. It's useful to have them worry about fiction and not reality, if they end up comparing drumph to Voldemort then mission accomplished.

I remember getting shit on by my soy friends (I had to find people to occupy myself with at school, of course) for not wanting to go to their anime conventions. I've always had an immense distaste for forming a """community""" around the art I consume. They are solitary acts kept for the individual. Attempting to form a brotherhood over what shitty shonen you watch is an amazing indicator for one's terrible morality.
#11
I don't have much to add, but I have been watching a Paper Mario LP recently and already I can just smell this faint acrid odor of utterly intolerable cummunity sperging emanating from its general direction. One of the worst I have caught a glimpse of in memory.
#12
(03-28-2023, 11:58 PM)NuclearAbsolutist Wrote: [Image: LmQvslV.jpg]

That image reminds me a lot of this meme:
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There's a lot of overlap, and I think most things in your original image could be identified down as the most mainstream YouTube trends for the lowest common denominator of the "non-normie" masses. I think it could be identified as being the trends popular among Zoomers who are, in Jungian terms, very high in Extroverted Intuition (Ne). Mostly xNFP's with a strong xNTP presence. People fascinated by and obsessed with endless possibilities, weirdness, imagination, and "what-ifs." I see Whang and Wendigoon in the first image (both of whom I occasionally watch, as they strongly play into the ENTP and INTP ends of the spectrum (no pun intended) here, respectively), but I think that Jerma is another one who certainly fits the milieu of that image, on the more INFP FtM tranny post-tumblr Zoomer side of Lemon Demon, Undertale, analog horror, all the #cores, etc.

I think that the presence of so many things that appeal to high-Ne cognitive types in those circles makes the prevalence of typical "fandom" habits more sensible, as Extroverted Intuition comes with Introverted Sensing, the latter of which leads to a strong desire for sameness, reliability, and creature comforts.
#13
"I quite like a few weirdcore things, and I'm okay with that."
Jerma is eternal trannie shite though.

Thank you Romero for posting that picture by the way. Finally can put my finger to the types who both like Yakuza and MGR.
#14
(03-30-2023, 05:45 PM)Verlion Wrote: Thank you Romero for posting that picture by the way. Finally can put my finger to the types who both like Yakuza and MGR.

This is due to the youtube faggot know as 'Max0r'.
"This game is SO INTENSE and ACTION PACKED I am going to summarise it and inject my retarded humor."
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I simply follow my own feelings.
#15
(04-01-2023, 12:11 AM)Albicacore Wrote: "This game is SO INTENSE and ACTION PACKED I am going to summarise it and inject my retarded humor."

I watched one of his videos, and can say without a speck of doubt that it's the future of Zoomer/Gen Alpha media. A constant barrage of flashing colors, earrape, and capeshit-like jokes all designed to be as stimulating as possible. Subway Surfers in the corners of Tiktok videos seemed bad, but that's only the beginning. The channel may be a more """""niche""""" thing at the moment, but once some media company sees how effective it is, it's gonna be unavoidable.
#16
The Amarnite sat hunched over, typing away furiously as his mind and body were fueled by impotent rage. He had sacrificed so much: his education, his relationship with his family, and generally any chance at a sustainable life outside of the internet, but he knew in his heart that he was superior. A bold Aryan soul victimized by People Liking Things He Didn't Like.

He and so many others like him had to continue this fight, for it was their cross to bear. Their struggle to rid the world of People Liking Things They Didn't Like.
#17
(04-06-2023, 09:43 PM)Crackrobatty Wrote: The Amarnite sat hunched over, typing away furiously as his mind and body were fueled by impotent rage. He had sacrificed so much: his education, his relationship with his family, and generally any chance at a sustainable life outside of the internet, but he knew in his heart that he was superior. A bold Aryan soul victimized by People Liking Things He Didn't Like.

He and so many others like him had to continue this fight, for it was their cross to bear. Their struggle to rid the world of People Liking Things They Didn't Like.

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"It's the way they like it I disagree with."
#18
(04-06-2023, 09:43 PM)Crackrobatty Wrote: The Amarnite sat hunched over, typing away furiously as his mind and body were fueled by impotent rage. He had sacrificed so much: his education, his relationship with his family, and generally any chance at a sustainable life outside of the internet, but he knew in his heart that he was superior. A bold Aryan soul victimized by People Liking Things He Didn't Like.

He and so many others like him had to continue this fight, for it was their cross to bear. Their struggle to rid the world of People Liking Things They Didn't Like.

"Who are you quoting? I have never met this Amarnite fellow or seen him here."

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That out of the way Crackrobatty, I would like to see a better defense of fandom culture than they just like things that you don't like, as that argument falls flat seeing I and others in this thread have noted items they like with fandoms they hate. For one I love lain, but cannot say its inclusion in the image I posted earlier was a mistaken target.
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“Power changes its appearance but not its reality.”― Bertrand De Jouvenel
#19
(04-06-2023, 09:43 PM)Crackrobatty Wrote: "imagine if a cool nigger saw you caring"

Indeed. Much to think about.
#20
(04-06-2023, 09:43 PM)Crackrobatty Wrote: The Amarnite sat hunched over, typing away furiously as his mind and body were fueled by impotent rage. He had sacrificed so much: his education, his relationship with his family, and generally any chance at a sustainable life outside of the internet, but he knew in his heart that he was superior. A bold Aryan soul victimized by People Liking Things He Didn't Like.

It's my cross to bear. I've burnt bridges with everyone in my life, not of my own volition but in service of the Fire the maiden Truth instilled in my soul - whose Conflagration she implored me to spread everywhere, that it may cleanse the Earth in purifying heat.



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