The Warehouse
anthony
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The Warehouse is a spiritual state. A living purgatory for men who have been put aside by the world, but are still willing to work with it and for it.

Warehouse Man does not live well. Nobody is concerned for his plight. He is quite probably the regular subject of abuse and spite. But he is not defined as an enemy of society. And more importantly, he does not identify himself as one. The warehoused man lives as comfortably as he is able within the defined space allowed to him by society, no matter how cruel or uncomfortable this arrangement might get. Taste, beliefs, and actions will always be within the lines imposed from above.

The politics of warehouse man are obviously impotent conservatism or being follower progressive ally. Personal beliefs about his place in the world, that things may be unfair, but he'll only take issue with what he's told he can take issue with.

Taste is the most important area of warehouse man's mind to read. He takes what he is allowed. But he is still simple, and male. There is a consistent note of concession in his taste. Things men like, but strictly within the lines. John Wick, a reactive and defensive killing machine who holds a benign good will towards the world, and would presumably be just like them is scary bad men didn't keep provoking him. Warhammer. A world of perpetual extreme violence and racewar, but couched in absurdity and sufficiently divorced from real present or historic contexts which served as obvious inspirations for denial of underlying drives to be plausible, at least to themselves. DOOM: ETERNAL, more of the same. Defensive male violence against real evil, which dares to aggress and want things. "Cool", "badass" aesthetics which distort male desires into absurd cartoonish jokes. Doomguy is a simple grotesque lump who kills unquestionably evil goblins. Violence is adored, but not spiritual violence. Maximalism and excess are applied within the lines to compensate for spiritual blandness. There is overlap here with "norwood" obviously, but the tastes and neurosis at play are baser. More desperate and survival oriented.

Maximalism and excess within acceptable boundaries also describes perhaps their most essential acquired taste, metal music. The continuity between metal album cover art and warhammer is not a coincidence. They are one spiritual tradition of oversocialised white men trying to have their own cool and exciting things without upsetting or harming anybody. And the tendency in both cases is towards total neutering. I admit I do not know metal music too well, and I know national socialist black metal exists, if someone could elaborate on the place of it in broader culture that would be appreciated. But more particularly we are talking about warehouse metal. Warehouse man will not touch outlier media that goes too far. In all things he's like this.

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Some more pointed thoughts on particular elements and appeals of warehouse media, from a learned and thoughtful friend:



Quote:Warehousecore:
  • exists within clinicspace whether real or imagined (a doctored, sense-assaulting environment meant to subdue and castrate, this could be an actual warehouse, an actual clinic, the fact that a particular genre of things (like music) being doctored or existing within those bounds; a space where advancement is not conceivable but hellish subsistence is the ideal)
  • demands your full attention
  • is actually capable of holding onto your full attention: bad skinnerboxes will not qualify
  • will aid in suicide prevention but solve no problems


The Warehouse does not give humanity enough to live or die. The above descriptions struck me as strikingly on point for several things I have considered inherently warehoused for some time now.

Total War(ehouse) has been on my mind as an enemy of the human spirit for years now. Awfully made, lame, unsatisfying pieces of work that just keep growing and holding more human attention every year. It lasts forever, is marketed on scale, mass, and content, and tantalises on the edge of masculine fascinations but is ultimately determined to address none of them. The overlap with Warhammer of course was a natural development, and a 40k production seems to be the most desired future direction.


Quote:call of duty is to date one of the most efficacious warehousecore stimcopes available, so is metal "music", so are energy drinks, and joe rogan.

there is a norwood overlap in that most Norwood types exist in some degree of clinicspace but they are not actually reduced to subsistence, norwoodcore imo is fundamentally a bourgeois thing for people with money to spend on masculinity subscription packages advertised on instagram and podcasts [...]

warehousecore items, affects, and media is best described as Tools for Subsistence [...] these tools are for the type of person who would kill themselves without them


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Zed
An ex of mine was warehouse worker and the thread is deeply on point.

I knew her at a point when I was starting to get deeply into political matters after a long hiatus. Once - I attempted to to convince her of several things using Steve Sailer type-argumentation, and essentially pushed her to an edge where she confessed the following: "You might be correct, but I do not want to live in a world where you are correct." She also threatened to bash my head into the wall, and that was the only time she ever spoke violently in a year of knowing her.


These types have gelded eyes, and they cannot be brought to see reality - otherwise they must face the horror of a life where they feel like they have zero escape. Having known my ex and a few of her coworkers - they were often very outwardly cheerful people. In retrospect, I find that crushing.
Datacop
You see a lot of these guys on Reddit, in Discord servers, and in Discord servers for subreddits. IRL, they're mostly concentrated in economically depressed exurbs and rural areas.  I also get the impression that they're much more common in Australia and Canada than in the US. The oft-bearded, oft-tattooed, oft-libtarded single young men that make the bulk of exurban America. The worst feature about them is their perverted sexuality. It's been spoken about to death on the straight faggot thread, but the Warehoused Man has a neutered libido that's expressed online through worship of fictional female archetypes, maybe because of an internalization of their actual lowly lot in life; as a result of their lower-middle income and uninteresting lives, they're completely unloveable and unfuckable. These guys rarely ever have girlfriends and if they do, it's a washed-up tattooed rockabilly whore. The Warehouse'd, I imagine, are the bulk of Onlyfans subscriptions.
Albicacore
(03-02-2023, 09:19 PM)Datacop Wrote: You see a lot of these guys on Reddit, in Discord servers, and in Discord servers for subreddits. IRL, they're mostly concentrated in economically depressed exurbs and rural areas.  I also get the impression that they're much more common in Australia and Canada than in the US. The oft-bearded, oft-tattooed, oft-libtarded single young men that make the bulk of exurban America. The worst feature about them is their perverted sexuality. It's been spoken about to death on the straight faggot thread, but the Warehoused Man has a neutered libido that's expressed online through worship of fictional female archetypes, maybe because of an internalization of their actual lowly lot in life; as a result of their lower-middle income and uninteresting lives, they're completely unloveable and unfuckable. These guys rarely ever have girlfriends and if they do, it's a washed-up tattooed rockabilly whore. The Warehouse'd, I imagine, are the bulk of Onlyfans subscriptions.
I agree, Warehoused men seem to be the majority of 'muscle mommy' faggots.
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anthony
(03-02-2023, 09:19 PM)Datacop Wrote: You see a lot of these guys on Reddit, in Discord servers, and in Discord servers for subreddits. IRL, they're mostly concentrated in economically depressed exurbs and rural areas.  I also get the impression that they're much more common in Australia and Canada than in the US. The oft-bearded, oft-tattooed, oft-libtarded single young men that make the bulk of exurban America. The worst feature about them is their perverted sexuality. It's been spoken about to death on the straight faggot thread, but the Warehoused Man has a neutered libido that's expressed online through worship of fictional female archetypes, maybe because of an internalization of their actual lowly lot in life; as a result of their lower-middle income and uninteresting lives, they're completely unloveable and unfuckable. These guys rarely ever have girlfriends and if they do, it's a washed-up tattooed rockabilly whore. The Warehouse'd, I imagine, are the bulk of Onlyfans subscriptions.

A friend of mine recently sent me some pictures of subjects he found in a selfie channel of a discord porn/commissions server. God knows why they have one. The findings were perfect. I would have used them for this thread if that weren't cruel. Instead I went with the relatively clean google image guys. But these guys. Dressed up in their warehouse gear with their hi-vis, horrifically bald, weak-bearded, sickly pale with that damaged thin skin look, fat, boneless faces. You get the picture. Also all of the rest of the pictures were middle aged rapehons. Naturally.

There are parts of the world we don't see and generally aren't allowed to see both for our own sanity and the continued functioning of society. Recognising that masses of men are reduced to this might be intolerable for many. Like dbdr says, it's The Flying Dutchman in these places. Damned, Cursed, Discarded, but still forced to serve. I ponder how onlyfans makes any money sometimes, this is the only class of person I can see throwing money at utterly unremarkable women for a picture of an ass and a "hey thanks baby" message once a week.
parsifal
(03-02-2023, 09:38 PM)anthony Wrote: A friend of mine recently sent me some pictures of subjects he found in a selfie channel of a discord porn/commissions server. God knows why they have one.

how on earth a human being is capable of something like that is far beyond me. i don't know if i'm the alien or these people are.
Datacop
In rural America, those who can sit down in their shitty public schools for six hours, or are sufficiently medicated enough to do so, take the intelligent option and move away to university, at best settling in the nearest midsize city like Syracuse, Chattanooga, or Lincoln and at worst trying to escape their upbringing by running as far away as they can to New York City and Los Angeles to become the archetypal shitlib. Those who stay in rural America are the ones who couldn't make this choice, or are too old to have needed to make that choice. For the mixed-raced and dumb, a kind life of welfare parasitism, whippets, and cookie monster fuzzy pajama pants await them. For the men who were just a little too smart to start doing meth but just a little too dumb to get into the State University of College, The Warehouse awaits them. Since the proliferation of Amazon & their Fulfillment Centers, the de facto wage for this demographic is floored at ~$15/hour, which is enough to live semi-comfortably in most of America, but nowhere near enough to sustain a family. The Warehouse provides a minimal level of security, but just enough above fast-food employment that it allows it's victim to work there for years without movement. The type of labor allows the Warehouse'd to believe they are a part of a long honorable line of American blue collar industry and not sub-McDonald's skilless box sorters. At least a Starbucks barista knows how to use an espresso machine, a Warehouse'd man is a total non-asset, an economic null-point— if dogs had thumbs they could do the job better. The Warehouse is the closest thing to a Womb a modern guy can get: a total numbing of the senses that allows guys to just coast in perpetuity.

(03-02-2023, 09:38 PM)anthony Wrote: A friend of mine recently sent me some pictures of subjects he found in a selfie channel of a discord porn/commissions server.

A porn Discord server with a selfies page. I hate normies so much.
Hamamelis
I think generally this concept is about poor and dumb people. Warehouse man is one of the unwashed masses of the post-industrial society. I'm not sure "warehouse" captures something that wasn't already included in terms like consoomer, normie, sheeple. Also, this strikes me as a rediscovery or extension of the Gervais principle: the warehoused are the clueless, or a subset of them. Please tell me if I'm misunderstanding.

Otherwise, naturally I have met such people. Money quotes include "I like going to work. I wouldn't know what to do with my time otherwise", which has always given me a feeling of glimpsing the bleakest mental landscape possible
Datacop
(03-03-2023, 12:14 PM)Hamamelis Wrote: I think generally this concept is about poor and dumb people. Warehouse man is one of the unwashed masses of the post-industrial society. I'm not sure "warehouse" captures something that wasn't already included in terms like consoomer, normie, sheeple. Also, this strikes me as a rediscovery or extension of the Gervais principle: the warehoused are the clueless, or a subset of them. Please tell me if I'm misunderstanding.

It is admittedly a crossover with the larger normgroid horde, but I think The Warehouse does describe a specific caste of dimwitted men who are slightly more respectable than a local country methhead but still distinctly underclass. As Anthony said, its a class of Americans that's rarely seen or even discussed.
Hamamelis
I am not American, so maybe there is some cultural variance in normies over the world. I have worked in a literal warehouse with somebody, he was a civil engineer. I think he was autistic and happy to be working in a warehouse, alone. The warehoused men I have met were usually manual labourers, or low caste office workers.
JF_
Is Sam Hyde Warehousecore?
anthony
(03-03-2023, 12:14 PM)Hamamelis Wrote: I think generally this concept is about poor and dumb people. Warehouse man is one of the unwashed masses of the post-industrial society. I'm not sure "warehouse" captures something that wasn't already included in terms like consoomer, normie, sheeple. Also, this strikes me as a rediscovery or extension of the Gervais principle: the warehoused are the clueless, or a subset of them. Please tell me if I'm misunderstanding.

Otherwise, naturally I have met such people. Money quotes include "I like going to work. I wouldn't know what to do with my time otherwise", which has always given me a feeling of glimpsing the bleakest mental landscape possible

(03-03-2023, 04:10 PM)Hamamelis Wrote: I am not American, so maybe there is some cultural variance in normies over the world. I have worked in a literal warehouse with somebody, he was a civil engineer. I think he was autistic and happy to be working in a warehouse, alone. The warehoused men I have met were usually manual labourers, or low caste office workers.

I was going to reply that not everyone in a warehouse is a complete retard, and that most people are fundamentally stupid in some serious way. Then you went and beat me to it in your own second post. So I don't know how much more needs saying from here. You met a civil engineer who felt at home in a warehouse. And yes the warehoused men aren't confined just to the warehouse proper. It's about the poor and dumb of the world. Who really do not get enough attention considering how many of them there are. This is half about the poor and dumb, and half about what's being done to them, and is being lined up to be done to you too. Clinicspace is the other essential point I wanted covered. This between life and death state in which nothing is possible but suffering, toil, and sustenance.

The stupid and poor have always been with us, but have things ever looked this desolate for so many?


(03-03-2023, 05:03 PM)JF_ Wrote: Is Sam Hyde Warehousecore?

After World Peace Sam Hyde has pretty much been a more cynical and less spiritually Indian life coach guy as far as I can tell. I feel like interest in that kind of stuff is sort of pre-warehouse. I'm thinking of the dbdr trajectory. He used to want to get ahead of the game and learn how to win. Now he works in the warehouse. From what I've seen of the people he attracts it's definitely that sector of society. The weird flyover translings who join his collective and edit videos for him or whatever.
Datacop
(03-03-2023, 04:10 PM)Hamamelis Wrote: I am not American, so maybe there is some cultural variance in normies over the world. I have worked in a literal warehouse with somebody, he was a civil engineer. I think he was autistic and happy to be working in a warehouse, alone. The warehoused men I have met were usually manual labourers, or low caste office workers.

I would imagine the relationship of the Warehouse is completely different in Europe if only due to their differing economic situation. Warehouses make the bulk of American low-skill light industry and symbolize a low-status career that any trog can slid into with minimal effort and waste their whole lives surviving. I don't know what the European equivalent is.

(03-03-2023, 05:03 PM)JF_ Wrote: Is Sam Hyde Warehousecore?

There's a lot of crossover. Hyde is an obese white guy with bad taste and looks like he doesn't shower who lives in a blighted ghetto and wastes his money on drugs and cars that get stolen by methheads. But distinctly, Hyde's incredibly wealthy upbringing and semi-successful career as an alt-right comedian puts him in a league of his own. In more ways, he's more like the suburbanite who moves to the Big City and role-plays as an urbanite, but instead role-plays as a whippet-inhaling ghetto slug. It's kind of fascinating in it's own right, I don't know any other millennial comic who embraces the aesthetic of gauche wigger poverty as a mask for post-millenial irony. Furthermore, the Warehouse aesthetic is decidedly millennial, but the bulk of Sam Hyde's fans belong to a younger, fr no cap Ironically Racist Zoomer demographic who look up to him as a father figure, as shown by the gaggle of young retards he surrounds himself with. Also, Sam Hyde uses his popularity to seduce and fuck 16-year olds, which is decidedly non-Warehoused.

His style of video, however, I would classify as Warehousecore, especially his lazy advice videos. Low attention span poor White guys love watching Sam Hyde give them advice they'll never follow. It gives Warehoused guys a little buzz thinking they have some sort of secret esoteric knowledge about how to "make it", just enough of a dopamine rush that they can sleep at night. Especially the videos he makes with Nick Rochefort on real estate; now thousands of men who will never own property have retarded opinions on wainscoting and vinyl clip-in tiles.
Hamamelis
(03-03-2023, 09:00 PM)anthony Wrote: I was going to reply that not everyone in a warehouse is a complete retard, ... Clinicspace is the other essential point I wanted covered. This between life and death state in which nothing is possible but suffering, toil, and sustenance.

The stupid and poor have always been with us, but have things ever looked this desolate for so many?

anthony Wrote:Clinicspace ... a doctored, sense-assaulting environment meant to subdue and castrate, ...; a space where advancement is not conceivable but hellish subsistence is the ideal

Then the difference between the warehoused and what we describe as consoomer (or similar) is that the warehoused are confined to clinicspace. I am unsure if clinicspace is worse than the historical situation of the poor, when the environment was less doctored and sense-assaulting, less meant to subdue, and more physically assaulting, more indifferent to your state of mind. E.g. would you rather be warehoused than live through the Irish potato famine, or the other way around? Very Pinkerian argument, making it mostly because I think the interesting part of the clinicspace concept is not "suffering and toil", which is a historical constant, but the "meant to subdue and castrate", "where advancement is not conceivable".

I don't know if you think of public schools as being within clinicspace, but I certainly see them as a gateway leading there. Fostering of an outlook that is not so much hopeless as incapable of understanding what would be worth hoping for. Reduction to yeast life.
anthony
(03-04-2023, 02:52 AM)Hamamelis Wrote: Then the difference between the warehoused and what we describe as consoomer (or similar) is that the warehoused are confined to clinicspace. I am unsure if clinicspace is worse than the historical situation of the poor, when the environment was less doctored and sense-assaulting, less meant to subdue, and more physically assaulting, more indifferent to your state of mind. E.g. would you rather be warehoused than live through the Irish potato famine, or the other way around? Very Pinkerian argument, making it mostly because I think the interesting part of the clinicspace concept is not "suffering and toil", which is a historical constant, but the "meant to subdue and castrate", "where advancement is not conceivable".

I don't know if you think of public schools as being within clinicspace, but I certainly see them as a gateway leading there. Fostering of an outlook that is not so much hopeless as incapable of understanding what would be worth hoping for. Reduction to yeast life.

Yes, you're getting it. Public schools I would say are probably the clinicspace. Before 'Medical Nemesis' Ivan Illich wrote 'Deschooling Society'. Branches of the same issue. It hits first and strongest. Look at the massive rates of burnout and human dysfunction generated in those places. There are warehouse breakdowns and high turnover at times, but nothing compared to schools. The Warehouse is for spiritual graduates of schooling. The less bright and promising ones anyway. For the smarter ones, academia or STEM. Clinicspace for all.

And yes, suffering and work do not define it. The numbing, dead-end definitiveness of the state define it. Warehouse Man's life is like a primitive prototype for THX1138. And as an Illichian I would take the famine over the warehouse. Everyone dies, and famine-man was most likely better prepared for the fact than warehouse-man will be.

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Hamamelis
I would take the famine because I am a child of the surburbs and screens, and any breakdown of order sounds intriguing to me.

In any case, the interesting questions beyond the definition of terms are to me:
- how are people being warehoused, on a mechanical level, what process numbs them to this point?
- can you be forced into clinicspace (I'd say yes, obviously), and how do you escape?

With regards to the last point, I want to note that clinicspace is yet another rearticulation of the answer to the question "what is the matrix", and all answers famously evade practical advice on how to unplug. In my view, such advice would be misguided in most cases anyways, because the cage is mostly in your mind and you need to change your mind first and foremost (BAP answered "it's the longhouse" and suggested adopting the BAM, which is so far the best approach I've heard), and changing your mind is something you have to do on your own. However, I do think a particular answer to "why does it feel like my life is a caricature of what life is supposed to be" should at least connect to some idea of what life could be, and by that also provide some template of how I could be if I weren't a caricature.
anthony
(03-04-2023, 08:25 AM)Hamamelis Wrote: I would take the famine because I am a child of the surburbs and screens, and any breakdown of order sounds intriguing to me.

In any case, the interesting questions beyond the definition of terms are to me:
- how are people being warehoused, on a mechanical level, what process numbs them to this point?
- can you be forced into clinicspace (I'd say yes, obviously), and how do you escape?

With regards to the last point, I want to note that clinicspace is yet another rearticulation of the answer to the question "what is the matrix", and all answers famously evade practical advice on how to unplug. In my view, such advice would be misguided in most cases anyways, because the cage is mostly in your mind and you need to change your mind first and foremost (BAP answered "it's the longhouse" and suggested adopting the BAM, which is so far the best approach I've heard), and changing your mind is something you have to do on your own. However, I do think a particular answer to "why does it feel like my life is a caricature of what life is supposed to be" should at least connect to some idea of what life could be, and by that also provide some template of how I could be if I weren't a caricature.

Clinicspace is far more particular than "The Matrix". But to your questions.

Quote:- how are people being warehoused, on a mechanical level, what process numbs them to this point?
School. Isn't that obvious? Being stuck in a miserable place with no outs and constant pressures and stresses of all kinds for years on end and told that this is right and proper and it will never be otherwise.

Quote:- can you be forced into clinicspace (I'd say yes, obviously), and how do you escape?
Yes, obviously they force you in. And there are outs. But as you allude to in the rest of your post, it's something you take with you even when you aren't inside. Learned habits and behaviours and attitudes. I really believe the big getting out stories are more about people who were never truly taken in. This stuff is really less of a mindset more of a mauling. You don't change your mind on damage.

You can escape such environments, find more pleasant spaces and things to do, opportunities to work for growth, progress, and cultivation rather than mere subsistence. Enjoy rather than survive. And this will be good for your mind. But you'll still be carrying it with you. Illich's book was called Deschooling Society. Deschooling is a kind of movement, but the focus has always been on treating children right from the start, not reversing the damage done by being treated wrong. But, I believe if you have a grip on the principles and ideas you can kind of mentally work it back a bit. I think I'm better than I've been before, not through any deliberate process, I just think certain things I read and thought through were good for me. Doesn't mean I'm good. I haven't escaped. You don't escape from being crippled. You can't just pull a plug and everything's different.

Growing even remotely acclimated to your life becoming a joyless grind is a spiritual catastrophe. A rape of your being. There is no course, program, or advice to fix this.
PrettyboyLombard
(03-03-2023, 05:03 PM)JF_ Wrote: Is Sam Hyde Warehousecore?

Sam Hyde is practically everything the warehouse male tries to be. He leverages this fact and advertises himself to the warehouse dudes who see in him the type of "American tuff guy" personality they want to be.
JF_
These forums were founded under the aegis of Horus. There's no point in asking if "warehouse man" really exists. Fire is the primordial element, and fire is Mind. A vital young man is full of ideas. If they read The Brothers Karamazov, they commonly relate to Ivan. There is nothing innately left or right wing about theory and critique. It is natural. So many who try to escape pseudery fall only deeper into it...as long as you're honest with yourself, I don't see what the problem is. Just keep going.

I fancy that Warehouse men enter this world with true masculine spirits. When I see a Soyjak, I believe that is actually what a normal, archetypal male looks like in this world. That is what happens to such a man. All the mistakes they make are those typical of men. They struggle to hold on to some vague image this world allows them of who they really are.

A man who is sensitive enough to respond to the modern world in the way we do, to see what is being done to him, is not a classical masculine spirit. Yes, he's a little gay. He has a mixture of feminine characteristics. Is it really surprising that so many men who have browsed Amarna1 and 2 are somewhat feminine? Consider young Mishima and his supposed love of Novalis, which seems almost exaggerated in order to contrast the solar image.

In my experience, nothing rivals the capacity for misogyny of a full-on homosexual male. The classical heterosexual male is merely indifferent toward the vagina. The homosexual male is truly disgusted by it, and will often express this to you without being asked. Straight men have held a utilitarian view of the female sex since time immemorial. "Slick Rick - Treat Her Like a Prostitute". This survives in our Ernest Clinesque Amazonworker, but diffused through irony and virtual pleasures.
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(03-04-2023, 10:03 PM)JF_ Wrote: I fancy that Warehouse men enter this world with true masculine spirits. When I see a Soyjak, I believe that is actually what a normal, archetypal male looks like in this world. That is what happens to such a man. All the mistakes they make are those typical of men. They struggle to hold on to some vague image this world allows them of who they really are.

Gigachad is otherworldly, I am as well. I live in this world but I am not of it. The feeling of alienation makes so much sense now, I am supposed to ascend. Man against time.
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