The Ye-Fuentes-Milo Axis: A Trojan Horse into the Judeo-Cathedral
#1
As has been aware to most people on this forum I assume, the past month or two has seen the convergence of a new unquestionably loud force: The 'Ye-Fuentes-Milo' axis, consisting of the aforementioned individuals of Ye (formerly known as Kanye West), Nicholas Fuentes and Milo Yiannopolous. This trio (along with a few supporting acts), have gone on to broadcast the 'Jewish Question' at a scale and to a size of audience unforeseen in several decades. The most important property of this whole 'debacle' however is the trio's reluctance to stand down and 'kiss the ring' of American Jewry, which has been the response of every celebrity or otherwise famous individual before now (e.g. Mel Gibson, Marlon Brando). This, fueled by the self-contradictory nature of 'social justice theory' that shapes the actions of the majority in modern Anglophone society that has been wielded by Ye, is undoubtedly a very prominent event.
The question thus lays in the 'effect' of this whole situation: is it good or bad for 'us'.
That is what the thread is about.

Potential points of conversation: The characteristics of Ye's mad ravings, the character and intentions of Nicholas Fuentes and Milo Yiannopolous, the 'necessity' of noticing publicly the obvious Jewish power in America, the importance of 'e-celebs' like Fuentes.
#2
Please refer to the man as 'Kanye West' or 'Mister Kardashian'. I may impulsively ban the next person not to.

Otherwise this is a pretty shit OP. Is what good for us? I still don't understand what the substance of this non-event is supposed to be.
#3
The Kayne situation will be the largest implementation of “Name Them” strategy since when?
But will also ultimately reveal the limitations of it.

To keep kikes at bay, you have to build an entire culture of naming them and rallying people against them as joyful pursuit. The repetition required means the essentializing form of naming them won’t cut it.

I bet we’re going to see this.
(And also that people will move on to some new theory - narrative churn - rather than realize it’s the method of naming them that is at fault.)

The strategic discussion is then either defining what essentializing is, where it comes from, and why it will sputter out at scale. Or defining what the alternatives are to essentializing, and why they work at scale and over time.

Will be interesting to see how Nippleous tackles this.

He had 11k live viewers at 2am EST on his last stream.
The tech platform and use of a team are all pretty tight.
The aesthetics of the filler content he plays before the show are pretty impressive.
That stuff translated to IRL ambient display is next step.

The audio / visual aspect inherent to digital medium needs to be re-created IRL as ambient accompaniment to the traditional speech. It’s said the generation that first experiences innovations in technology can’t understand the ultimate effect of the technology. The next step is recreating the immersiveness of digital mediums as orchestration to IRL event. The opposite of metaverse, a further retreat into the digital, which is a means of control. Instead it’s bringing the digital, the hyper-real, the pseudo real, the purely created into meat space - all of it out of digital tunnels and added as extension and decoration to IRL events. This will be force multiplier for first people that do it. Then eventually adopted across the board.
#4
(12-03-2022, 07:56 PM)anthony Wrote: Otherwise this is a pretty shit OP. Is what good for us? I still don't understand what the substance of this non-event is supposed to be.
>Is what good for us?
Them naming the jew for a prolonged amount of time without backing down, among other statements the trio has made.
>This is a pretty shit OP
Make your own then. I'm lazy.
>I still don't understand what the substance of this non-event is supposed to be.
Google. I made the thread because I don't like seeing the shitbox discuss a singular topic for too long when it's obvious the conversation must be had in a thread which is more conductive for thorough discussion.

(12-03-2022, 08:37 PM)casual rapist Wrote: The Kayne situation will be the largest implementation of “Name Them” strategy since when?
1945. I assumed it was implied. Maybe GLR can contest that. Tbh, I'm getting a lot of GLR vibes from this whole situation already, which is a bad sign.
#5
It's not about effort. It still feels like there's a massive hole in the middle of this event where there's supposed to be something I could care about more than what Mrs Kardashian is doing lately.
Rainbow 
#6
"Kanye-Fuentes-Milo" is an incredibly dumb trinity since it isn't a trinity (Kanye is clearly on top of Milo who is clearly working to bugger Fuentes as if his life depended on it). As to naming the Jew or even trying to fight Jewish influence in entertainment it is clearly an abstraction of the bigger problems that exist AKA it might as well not exist. The "event" (It is not an event but a series of events) gives off the same sort of energy that "Yang Gang" did when it came onto the scene and what exactly did that help out with?

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Can anyone articulate what any of this is supposed to mean in regards to Kanye walking around in a GIMP suit? Can we do it without a dense word salad?

[Image: https://i.ibb.co/4SFNQFc/54263504-4fad-4...18586c.jpg]

Is there a reason that Kanye West has decided that he wants to dress like a early 2010's redneck gearhead?
#7
(12-03-2022, 08:37 PM)casual rapist Wrote: The Kayne situation will be the largest implementation of “Name Them” strategy since when?
But will also ultimately reveal the limitations of it.

To keep kikes at bay, you have to build an entire culture of naming them and rallying people against them as joyful pursuit. The repetition required means the essentializing form of naming them won’t cut it.

I bet we’re going to see this.
(And also that people will move on to some new theory - narrative churn - rather than realize it’s the method of naming them that is at fault.)

The strategic discussion is then either defining what essentializing is, where it comes from, and why it will sputter out at scale. Or defining what the alternatives are to essentializing, and why they work at scale and over time.

Will be interesting to see how Nippleous tackles this.

He had 11k live viewers at 2am EST on his last stream.
The tech platform and use of a team are all pretty tight.
The aesthetics of the filler content he plays before the show are pretty impressive.
That stuff translated to IRL ambient display is next step.

The audio / visual aspect inherent to digital medium needs to be re-created IRL as ambient accompaniment to the traditional speech. It’s said the generation that first experiences innovations in technology can’t understand the ultimate effect of the technology. The next step is recreating the immersiveness of digital mediums as orchestration to IRL event. The opposite of metaverse, a further retreat into the digital, which is a means of control. Instead it’s bringing the digital, the hyper-real, the pseudo real, the purely created into meat space - all of it out of digital tunnels and added as extension and decoration to IRL events. This will be force multiplier for first people that do it. Then eventually adopted across the board.

This "realization" of the digital could open some worm cans, though - but this is already being worked hard at, albeit for another demographic: the internet autogynephile tranny, who wants to become their cute girl avatar in real life.
#8
#YangGang was a wild success and pushed Trump to the right. The “Yang Gang was a psy op!” narrative was invented and pushed by a gay fat perfume critic.
#9
(12-04-2022, 10:12 AM)BillyONare Wrote: #YangGang was a wild success and pushed Trump to the right. The “Yang Gang was a psy op!” narrative was invented and pushed by a gay fat perfume critic.

Andrew Yang being a bad thing, a scam, embarrassing, whatever, is one of those things people seem extremely confident about all at once but I can't find anybody saying why. He was a semi-serious big politician who named the School. What have your faggot televangelists done lately?
#10
Lots of thoughts on this. Several in different directions. I will write them over a few separate posts.

Who does it benefit? --- If the goal of your political project is to bring attention to & ultimately address JQ, it is probably imperative to state what exactly the JQ is. For most, typically some combination of the following:

a) (Religious JQ) - Jew as rejectors of Christ / Resentment towards Christians on Talmudic or historical grounds / Driven by a desire to undermine Christian civilization.

b) (Usury/Capitalist JQ)  - Economic parasitism / Profit-motivated disregard of traditional social structures

c) (Zionist/Tribalist JQ) -  Inherent disloyalty to Gentile nationhood constructs / 'Natural' predisposition to subversiveness in favor of Jewish interests.

d) (Marxist JQ) - Bolshevism / Communism as a Jewish domination strategy / etc.

e) (Humanist JQ)  - Generalizes c) and d) by secularizing the question. The JQ emerges as a response to a certain game-theoretic optimization strategy utilized by Jews to maximize power/privilege in host countries. Practical subversiveness via support of other minority liberationist movements. Also: 'Cultural Marxism'

f) (Nietzschean JQ/CQ) - Alternative generalization of c) and d), critique centered around the fundamental inversion of 'natural' values present Christianity and Judaism.

There are more esoteric variants as well: relating to Khazaria, the Rothschilds, and blood libel.  Without offering commentary on the truth of any such variants of the JQ, I believe that they all exhibit an inherent mutual tension between them, reflecting their political origins. Thus, the 'answer' to the JQ becomes conditional on the broader political project under consideration. I believe the Fuentes/AF variant of the JQ is positioned between [a),b), and c] - with the answer being either conversion or expulsion. For those who advocate for the more secularist JQ [c), d), and e)], the ideal solution is either Shoah, expulsion, or periodic episodes of intense oppression to suppress influence... Those who advocate for (f) lack any solution beyond a complete reinvention of culture and reimagining of civilization.

So who stands to gain from this? Principally nationalist 'Christian' 'anti-semites' from the lowest stratum of society. These are the kids and young adults that grew up watching Marvel movies, blasted Yeezus concurrent to making nigger jokes during Call of Duty matches on Xbox Live. As a group, they are typically southern, and have a marked predisposition towards emotive rants about woke culture. Additionally, they maintain a vague attachment to Christianity as a counter-culture identity. They tend towards a poor understanding of the faith, and possess a pronounced tendency towards vulgarity. Their consideration of the JQ is vague, and often poorly reasoned. Such things serve mostly as shibboleth - their disdain of trannies/gays/niggers is likewise often performative; much of it stemming from a sense of political victimization at the hands of such groups. Their political trajectories have been oriented by influencers popularized during Gamergate and MAGA.

For this subgroup, Kanye will resonate most intensely. Not only does he synthesize various aspects of their identities - but he also liberates them. It will take a bit to expound on this --  Despite their racialist self identification, very few hold to it in a principled way, often they secretly desire to harbor more normie/NPC-friendly beliefs. Ostracization is often a heavy tax for the soul. For example: Pretty much every far right-wing group has a closeted homosexual element, perhaps a few members that date trannies/traps/femboys, etc. Typically, everyone is aware of the nature of said individuals and tacitly tolerates/accepts it privately - it is only open advocation/enablement that is forbidden. Thus effectively, it becomes simultaneously taboo and common knowledge. These taboos do not usually break, unless it becomes common knowledge that no one else harbors a strongly held animus. As mentioned, the lower 'groypers' that comprise AF are rarely deeply principled or deep thinkers - [such types rarely coalesce about fabricated digital identities and pseudo-cults]. With Kanye, we shall see their shallow commitment to racist shibboleths collectively annihilated, concurrent to a reinforcement in the anti-semetic and pro-Christian direction.  Expect an uptick in conversations from such types on how blacks are merely victims of Jewish machinations. Expect more of those old Elijah/Malcolm/Rockwell memes. Particularly, expect more utopian reductionism -- as all the collective ills of society are reduced to Christ and the JQ. This reorientation will serve to broaden America First, fundamentally diversifying it. The presence of Sneako and his more urban fandom is also relevant here. Expect more nigger Andrew Tate wannabes to jump on the train as well. America First is going to start looking a lot more diverse.

But the resonance of Kanye goes past this. Nick Fuentes is charismatic and charming in a particular way - having displayed a capacity to stir low-grade cult energy in his followers. Yet he is also an ironic, somewhat insincere individual. Here, Kanye has the potential to be his perfect complement, manifesting the genuine religious fervor that one associates with early-stage cults: absolute, irrational, mad conviction. This was witnessed during the Alex Jones debate. It is the same energy one imagines present in the earliest Christians. Above all else, it is something deeply different than Christ as value signal or shibboleth. If this potential is realized, it may come to produce an entirely new denomination of Christianity, perhaps analogous to the Christian identity movement. This could be accelerated if the profile of Nick rises to the point where the Catholic church officially sanctions him. Although the probability here is low, it cannot be discounted. I've written here in the past on our collective future being an age of cults, and I see this as potentially in line with those trends.  In their hearts, these people ultimately want God and meaning, not politics.


Either way, Fuentes personally wins. His profile and brand have been massively boosted. Having been deplatformed, Kanye may easily be persuaded to make a serious investment in Cozy.tv. Though Fuentes may be loathe to grift a personal hero, it will present as a natural opportunity. There is a tail-risk that the increased attention/profile could backfire, and bring down kiwifarms-tier constant DDoS attacks on the site. Furthermore, without advertising to support to the project, Cozy.tv has rather limited scalability. 

In summary, this is a major win for Fuentes and Yiannopoulos. It is a win for America First/Groypers in general. It is unclear if it is a win for Karen Giorno, whose involvement will require a full post in its own right. It is a win for the Christ-oriented variants of the JQ, yet a loss for the other formations (again, another post). It is a loss for trump, and a loss for the Nietzschean and more intellectually oriented dissident right [particularly HBD proponents] - yet this will also require another post.
#11
https://twitter.com/TheDailyShow/status/...0465959936

Chills.
#12
The 'trio' is already redundant: Milo has been booted. An unequivocal win.
#13
(12-04-2022, 01:45 PM)Zed Wrote: Lots of thoughts on this. Several in different directions. I will write them over a few separate posts.

Very nice post. Nothing to add right now, just appreciate the effort.
#14
https://twitter.com/WorldWarWang

Andrew Anglin. How did this faggot ended up a Kanye supporter of all things?
#15
(12-04-2022, 01:45 PM)Zed Wrote: Thus, the 'answer' to the JQ becomes conditional on the broader political project under consideration. I believe the Fuentes/AF variant of the JQ is positioned between [a),b), and c] - with the answer being either conversion or expulsion.

You're giving them too much credit. The only things AF 'groidpers universally agree on are:

1) slavish deference to Fuentes
2) an inoffensive agglomeration of "based" and "trad" and "right-wing" signifiers what are self-evidently true and good because ummm they just are okay.

They don't argue about other matters of "ideology" because they don't have much going on up there.

Nickers disparagingly call BAP a "Zionist" in the same way they call K / Lindy Observer a "nihilist". "This loser's a mofuggin' nihilist!" They can't explain why K's "nihilism" is bad, let alone comprehend what life-experiences led him to think that way. They saw a meme where the Mommy E-Thot Wojak said "are you really gonna reject nihilism and live a fulfilling life on the heckin' homesteaderino?" and the Yes-Chad said "Yes" and rested his forearm on his dour-faced sundressed tradwife's bosom, and that was that, nihilism forever BTFO.

The AF-sphere is a cumrag caked with the memetic emissions of more highbrow RW cultures. A stain of normiecon televangelism, a dab of Moonman Garrison name-them infographery, and to keep the whole thing rigid, a fat gob of tradcath yes-Chad rhetoric. These people are pure "memetic progeny". Their mental lives are dictated by canned phrases to an extent the average Amarnite can't appreciate.

(12-04-2022, 01:45 PM)Zed Wrote: So who stands to gain from this? Principally nationalist 'Christian' 'anti-semites' from the lowest stratum of society. These are the kids and young adults that grew up watching Marvel movies, blasted Yeezus concurrent to making nigger jokes during Call of Duty matches on Xbox Live. As a group, they are typically southern, and have a marked predisposition towards emotive rants about woke culture. Additionally, they maintain a vague attachment to Christianity as a counter-culture identity. They tend towards a poor understanding of the faith, and possess a pronounced tendency towards vulgarity. Their consideration of the JQ is vague, and often poorly reasoned. Such things serve mostly as shibboleth - their disdain of trannies/gays/niggers is likewise often performative; much of it stemming from a sense of political victimization at the hands of such groups. Their political trajectories have been oriented by influencers popularized during Gamergate and MAGA.

I think 'groidpers are a distinct group from "sub-chuds" of the sort you're talking about here. A boy on the "Casual racism - Xbox-Live gamer-word bacchanalia - SJWs owned compilation" axis can drift one of three ways:

1) Becoming a "sub-chud" or (if intelligent enough) chud proper
2) "Hyper-correcting" the other way to become an irony hicklib or (if deviant enough) CCAN-adjacent kweer
3) "Growing out" of crude chuddery as his passions cool with age; perhaps looking back on it with some embarrassment

'Groidpers don't really fit into any of this. I think they're best profiled by making parallels to an analogous group: the Hazites / MAGA-Communists.

I imagine the modal 'groidper, like the modal Hazite, to be a second-generation non-white immigrant to the US. The 'groidper tends towards Mestizo, Southeast Asian, or (the lower strata of) Subcon, while the Hazite usually belongs to a more successful Asian or Middle-Eastern diaspora. He grew up with a "hyper-American" goyslop media environment, but doesn't feel of his nation on account of his foreign blood, nor of his family's nation of origin on account of his lack of received tradition. For this reason, he promulgates a synthetic "American identity" based on a conveniently inclusive form of exclusion: anti-Semitism for the 'groidper, anti-WASP / "ruling class" rhetoric for the Hazite. That these "American identities" center around the two biggest cultural bugbears in American history - Roman Catholicism and Soviet Communism - has some significance that isn't immediately clear to me.

The ('groidper | Hazite) makes hard religious-conservative concessions to give an air of hard-assery and "having their shit together", and to differentiate themselves from other (Latinos4Trump | college Marxists). 'Groidpers are attracted to e-Catholicism's rich tradition of purity-spiralling and hysterical condemnation. In re-orienting their identities towards the group, cradle Catholics "get to" pin that part of themselves back on with an added BASED-factor, whereas 'groidpers of other denominations (or even other religions) often slough off their old faiths entirely. Hazites are more ecumenical on account of their internationalism, so their application of religion is scattershot compared to the laser lens of e-Cath casuistry; nonetheless, both groups view faith as basically the same thing, an otherworldly source of "rootedness" and BASED-affirmations.

Of course, Not All 'Groidpers Are Like That - a disproportionately influential minority are "converts" from older, predominantly white tradcath cultures, or individuals bordering on BAPist-Nietzschean who nonetheless have religious objections to taking those ideas to their conclusion - but I think this psycho-profile describes a sizable chunk of the AF membership. At the very least, the actions of the AF collective make sense if you look at them with this eigen-member in mind.

(12-04-2022, 01:45 PM)Zed Wrote: Having been deplatformed, Kanye may easily be persuaded to make a serious investment in Cozy.tv. Though Fuentes may be loathe to grift a personal hero, it will present as a natural opportunity. There is a tail-risk that the increased attention/profile could backfire, and bring down kiwifarms-tier constant DDoS attacks on the site. Furthermore, without advertising to support to the project, Cozy.tv has rather limited scalability. 

Perhaps it's my self-loathing streak, but I tend to assume that if a "great person" associates with you, it's a more likely sign of their descent than your ascent. The benefit to AF is unintentional and almost vampiric, like a bunch of hobos standing around a flaming car wreck for warmth.
#16
(12-03-2022, 08:37 PM)casual rapist Wrote: The audio / visual aspect inherent to digital medium needs to be re-created IRL as ambient accompaniment to the traditional speech. It’s said the generation that first experiences innovations in technology can’t understand the ultimate effect of the technology. The next step is recreating the immersiveness of digital mediums as orchestration to IRL event. The opposite of metaverse, a further retreat into the digital, which is a means of control. Instead it’s bringing the digital, the hyper-real, the pseudo real, the purely created into meat space - all of it out of digital tunnels and added as extension and decoration to IRL events. This will be force multiplier for first people that do it. Then eventually adopted across the board.

I don't care about the Mentally Ill Nigger-Mexican Child-Gay Jew Axis, but this did greatly pique my interest. This was the true artistry of Hitler - TheRightStuff's National Justice Party and Fuentes himself like to LARP as a great demagogue yelling from behind a podium, yet they forget the visual element! Hitler himself was instructed by the hypnotist and mystic Erik Jan Hanussen, and learned from him the ways to control an audience by pure will. I support this greatly - Zoomer Speer designing a surreal, mind-bending visual experience to accompany a rousing political speech, causing the audience's previous sense of reality and existence to dissolve away, making room for the potent delivery of Keyedstaat Classical Liberal Praxis... it's all real.
#17
(12-05-2022, 10:39 AM)Chud Wrote: Perhaps it's my self-loathing streak, but I tend to assume that if a "great person" associates with you, it's a more likely sign of their descent than your ascent. The benefit to AF is unintentional and almost vampiric, like a bunch of hobos standing around a flaming car wreck for warmth.

I laughed a little bit at this part. It's also an excellent point. Kanye West's life is in the shitter.
#18
(12-05-2022, 10:39 AM)Chud Wrote: ...

Absolutely fascinating. Thank you for that. My own attempt at psych-profile has been based on a few small servers of 4chan-adjacents that have heavily gravitated towards to him in light of the Ye24 shit, but it was probably a mistake to extrapolate judgements on the AF-core from that. I had previously paid him little attention during his time on Twitter - but this does indeed seem to fit things quite well. Previously, there has always been a superfluousness inherent in his presentation of himself/America First that I struggled to square - alongside his attempt to co-opt the imagery of 1990s-2010s Fox News beltway conservatism. This adds quite a bit of clarity there.
#19
perhaps another cultic aspect of nick is his ability to reduce otherwise smart, clear-headed opponents to the level of playground insults. here's a test: if [thing] were different about nick, would i then like him? if not then it's not a valid reason to dislike him, and there are enough of those that there should be no need to stoop to childish drama.
#20
(12-07-2022, 07:35 PM)parsifal Wrote: if [thing] were different about nick, would i then like him

If Nick did not hang out with homosexuals attempt to find out information on this forums owner like a mob capo praise Nigger rap and generally did not act what he appears to be (A living Amerimutt meme and monument to the errors of all e politics) I guess I and others would be less harsh on him. Sadly that does not seem to be changing anytime soon hence smart people like BAP online call him what he is.


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