The Ye-Fuentes-Milo Axis: A Trojan Horse into the Judeo-Cathedral
#21
if only everyone were so well-reasoned.
#22
Book of the Dialectic: *Who Cares* and *Nothing Happens*.

Fuentards (AFricans) could pose secondary or tertiary threat to our groups thru doxxing, but they haven't changed anything regarding the information-protection structure of the States. The ADL is still doing what it does best, and will spend 40 hours a week ruining the rest of Kanye's life, and meanwhile a few additional people may gain some passing interest in the Jews; but that's it. This doesn't really benefit any of our groups...
#23
A hilarious and scholarly post, thank you Chud. I've had the exact same impression but its nice to see it written up so clearly.
#24
I'll try to coherently converge all the different ideas I have on AF, coming from a more tradcat view:
For how high and mighty AF brands itself to be, as though it is the one "movement" that will change the world, I can only see it as a prototype or predecessor at best. Obviously a dissident political organization has to happen at some point, but it seems the best we can get right now is a rickety makeshift group seemingly held together with tape, prayers, and willful optimism. You can tell we're in the very fledgling state of "this fight" for two reasons: One, everyone everywhere seems to be running around like a headless chicken, unknowing of how we're supposed to operate or what actions to take. More importantly however, since things haven't gotten that bad, no one is really "that serious" about running a movement right now. AFers claim the opposite - but as I'll explain later with a recent development that I found appalling - it's evidently clear that, due to the material comfort that AFers still have in their lives, they don't have the fear and desperation which would breed the prudence that is lacking in their behavior; if they were so afraid and careful about winning this fight, perhaps they wouldn't act so petty.

What I mean is that since people are still living with (relative) comfort, they necessarily treat politics (especially online) with casual laxity; much like a deer before headlights, we humans don't realize our peril until it hits us in the face. As a result, the stock of people in the dissident world are simply low quality. A good homework assignment for our booknerds would be to study how successful dissident organizations recruited members, because it simply has to be different from the AF model: a criticism I have is that AF's entire infrastructure, the foundation it is built upon, is from completely random anons on Twitter. That's the equivalent of picking homeless people off the street and asking them "wanna fight the deep state pedo cabal?" AF's "secret war rooms" are just Twitter/Telegram groupchats. This near-comically unserious recruitment method is what breeds a lot of AF's resentment, for they treat these groupchats as high-level communications facilities, when in reality they are just mere gossip hubs. To take a note from Bleppsama, Twitter's "political discourse" is comparable to a saloon, where anyone can walk in, maybe a few voices are louder than others, but ultimately no one can really organize and it's just a place for chatter and barfights. AF however treats it as some super serious endeavor, where you can both have the username "HitlerRapeYe24" and also "push the envelope" at the same time.
Until circumstances truly worsen and people's lives are threatened, AFers will inevitably fall into this cycle of having a facade of being a "serious political movement" and then going around to have petty slapfights with ecelebs, gossipy screenshot-mongering, and in general treating their own movement like nothing but an internet clique. You can take Twitch streamer beef culture and brand all the accounts as "fighting a serious political fight" and it would be no different in substance. 
Ironically, for a movement that is branded as being Catholic, it has become a novel culture complete with its own unique virtues, rituals, taboos, saints, heroes, etc: Authentic Christian belief/practice isn't necessary in AF, you just have to say "Christ is king" every week. If you don't ritualistically send out that signal, you are suspect of being an "evil pagan wignat" (the taboo of AF.) Doesn't matter how racist or anti-semitic AF is, if you post a sonnenrad then you are de-facto excommunicated from the movement. Even if you sacrifice all your time running apologetics against AF's enemies, have all the same beliefs, be a real asset, etc, if you don't make those signals then you are "a subversive infiltrator." This is because you betray the highest virtue of AF - loyalty. You are not allowed to "punch right." You are not allowed to "backseat drive with your criticism." That's disloyal. This has led to a very paranoid culture where the man beside you could be a wignat infiltrator, and you need to police that person's behavior like a guard dog lest he damage the movement.
You don't need any actual virtues, any good character qualities, or even any skills to be in AF, you just need to be "loyal" - that is, unquestioning of anything, believing in the movement by faith and not by reason, falling in line with whatever the jannies tell you to do according to their arbitrary code of conducts and morals.

The star news that I bring today is in reference to a Cozy stream that happened yesterday. It's really not that important, and the longer I drone on about it the more I stoop to the drama-mongering level of AFers. But it is worth noting to give you a sense of the "quality of the materials" that AF is built with.
Yesterday a streamer, goes by the pseudonym Harris Walker, brand is being the guy from Baby Driver, did a stream where all he did was passionately and intemperately yell and scream in rage at a bunch of "AF infiltrator wignats" that he claims are infesting AF Twitter, for an hour straight. According to him and the expert team of AF groupchat spies, anyone who has the snowflake emoji in their name is signaling they support sonnenrads and wignattery. He then goes on to list a bunch of AF accounts that have this emoji, and went on to call them "f***ing faggot loser retards who need to kill themselves" more times than you could count or expect to be said in just 60 minutes (he would also slam his desk during climactic moments.) Doesn't matter how loyal these people were, how wholesome they appear, or how Christian they are. They just happened to signal the wrong thing and be friendly to the wrong guy and thus they were declared anathema. There's not really any limit to how far this hysteria can go because it's not based on reason; a person could give his entire heart to AF, but if he makes one wrong step or sees slightly differently from AF orthodoxy, he is an infiltrator.
This is the stock that AF is built with, this guy is in the highest groupchats of them all, in direct contact with Nick himself. Many others ape his personality, not in style but in spirit. Perhaps this is just my inner tradcat speaking but I don't see how a group of people like this, with their lack of actual virtue which is necessary to fight a war, are going to save the country.

This I think could explain why the Christians (particularly the Catholics) here don't want to support AF, because AFers have the audacity to demand your support and loyalty as if they were a divinely-instituted group, calling detractors sinful, disloyal, deserving of hell for not supporting God's political movement. But - like with all religious movements - the reasoned man of faith has to take caution lest he trust in false prophets, for you need to show proof that you are from God before you can demand religious devotion. Saying "Christ is king" repeatedly and merely having a body of nominally Christian stock (of which it is becoming increasingly harder to see any spiritual fruit being produced from these people) is not enough to demand such zeal out of you.

To pull again from Bleppsama, he once said a hallmark of a degenerating power structure is when the higherups select for zealous loyalty, and not competence. That is why the modern regime is filled with blockheads, because they have gone decrepit and need people who are loyal to the ideology, lest the competent people replace them and take power instead. This I also believe is in line with this forum's orthodoxy, that in order to have a successful political organization you need to select for high skill, for excellence (spiritual, material, or mental,) and for noble spirit - "One aristocrat of the soul is more capable than a million Walmart employees."
#25
(12-03-2022, 08:37 PM)casual rapist Wrote: The Kayne situation will be the largest implementation of “Name Them” strategy since when?
But will also ultimately reveal the limitations of it.

To keep kikes at bay, you have to build an entire culture of naming them and rallying people against them as joyful pursuit. The repetition required means the essentializing form of naming them won’t cut it.

I bet we’re going to see this.

It was this that was seen.
#26
(12-25-2022, 03:44 PM)Kasarix Wrote:
I'll try to coherently converge all the different ideas I have on AF, coming from a more tradcat view:
For how high and mighty AF brands itself to be, as though it is the one "movement" that will change the world, I can only see it as a prototype or predecessor at best. Obviously a dissident political organization has to happen at some point, but it seems the best we can get right now is a rickety makeshift group seemingly held together with tape, prayers, and willful optimism. You can tell we're in the very fledgling state of "this fight" for two reasons: One, everyone everywhere seems to be running around like a headless chicken, unknowing of how we're supposed to operate or what actions to take. More importantly however, since things haven't gotten that bad, no one is really "that serious" about running a movement right now. AFers claim the opposite - but as I'll explain later with a recent development that I found appalling - it's evidently clear that, due to the material comfort that AFers still have in their lives, they don't have the fear and desperation which would breed the prudence that is lacking in their behavior; if they were so afraid and careful about winning this fight, perhaps they wouldn't act so petty.

What I mean is that since people are still living with (relative) comfort, they necessarily treat politics (especially online) with casual laxity; much like a deer before headlights, we humans don't realize our peril until it hits us in the face. As a result, the stock of people in the dissident world are simply low quality. A good homework assignment for our booknerds would be to study how successful dissident organizations recruited members, because it simply has to be different from the AF model: a criticism I have is that AF's entire infrastructure, the foundation it is built upon, is from completely random anons on Twitter. That's the equivalent of picking homeless people off the street and asking them "wanna fight the deep state pedo cabal?" AF's "secret war rooms" are just Twitter/Telegram groupchats. This near-comically unserious recruitment method is what breeds a lot of AF's resentment, for they treat these groupchats as high-level communications facilities, when in reality they are just mere gossip hubs. I myself could've climbed the groupchat ladder and became an intern, but (thankfully) due to my phone malfunctioning I couldn't join the telegram groupchats that I was getting invited to back in 2020. To take a note from Bleppsama, Twitter's "political discourse" is comparable to a saloon, where anyone can walk in, maybe a few voices are louder than others, but ultimately no one can really organize and it's just a place for chatter and barfights. AF however treats it as some super serious endeavor, where you can both have the username "HitlerRapeYe24" and also "push the envelope" at the same time.
Until circumstances truly worsen and people's lives are threatened, AFers will inevitably fall into this cycle of having a facade of being a "serious political movement" and then going around to have petty slapfights with ecelebs, gossipy screenshot-mongering, and in general treating their own movement like nothing but an internet clique. You can take Twitch streamer beef culture and brand all the accounts as "fighting a serious political fight" and it would be no different in substance. 
Ironically, for a movement that is branded as being Catholic, it has become a novel culture complete with its own unique virtues, rituals, taboos, saints, heroes, etc: Authentic Christian belief/practice isn't necessary in AF, you just have to say "Christ is king" every week. If you don't ritualistically send out that signal, you are suspect of being an "evil pagan wignat" (the taboo of AF.) Doesn't matter how racist or anti-semitic AF is, if you post a sonnenrad then you are de-facto excommunicated from the movement. Even if you sacrifice all your time running apologetics against AF's enemies, have all the same beliefs, be a real asset, etc, if you don't make those signals then you are "a subversive infiltrator." This is because you betray the highest virtue of AF - loyalty. You are not allowed to "punch right." You are not allowed to "backseat drive with your criticism." That's disloyal. This has led to a very paranoid culture where the man beside you could be a wignat infiltrator, and you need to police that person's behavior like a guard dog lest he damage the movement.
You don't need any actual virtues, any good character qualities, or even any skills to be in AF, you just need to be "loyal" - that is, unquestioning of anything, believing in the movement by faith and not by reason, falling in line with whatever the jannies tell you to do according to their arbitrary code of conducts and morals.

The star news that I bring today is in reference to a Cozy stream that happened yesterday. It's really not that important, and the longer I drone on about it the more I stoop to the drama-mongering level of AFers. But it is worth noting to give you a sense of the "quality of the materials" that AF is built with.
Yesterday a streamer, goes by the pseudonym Harris Walker, brand is being the guy from Baby Driver, did a stream where all he did was passionately and intemperately yell and scream in rage at a bunch of "AF infiltrator wignats" that he claims are infesting AF Twitter, for an hour straight. According to him and the expert team of AF groupchat spies, anyone who has the snowflake emoji in their name is signaling they support sonnenrads and wignattery. He then goes on to list a bunch of AF accounts that have this emoji, and went on to call them "f***ing faggot loser retards who need to kill themselves" more times than you could count or expect to be said in just 60 minutes (he would also slam his desk during climactic moments.) Doesn't matter how loyal these people were, how wholesome they appear, or how Christian they are. They just happened to signal the wrong thing and be friendly to the wrong guy and thus they were declared anathema. There's not really any limit to how far this hysteria can go because it's not based on reason; a person could give his entire heart to AF, but if he makes one wrong step or sees slightly differently from AF orthodoxy, he is an infiltrator.
This is the stock that AF is built with, this guy is in the highest groupchats of them all, in direct contact with Nick himself. Many others ape his personality, not in style but in spirit. Perhaps this is just my inner tradcat speaking but I don't see how a group of people like this, with their lack of actual virtue which is necessary to fight a war, are going to save the country.

This I think could explain why the Christians (particularly the Catholics) here don't want to support AF, because AFers have the audacity to demand your support and loyalty as if they were a divinely-instituted group, calling detractors sinful, disloyal, deserving of hell for not supporting God's political movement. But - like with all religious movements - the reasoned man of faith has to take caution lest he trust in false prophets, for you need to show proof that you are from God before you can demand religious devotion. Saying "Christ is king" repeatedly and merely having a body of nominally Christian stock (of which it is becoming increasingly harder to see any spiritual fruit being produced from these people) is not enough to demand such zeal out of you.

To pull again from Bleppsama, he once said a hallmark of a degenerating power structure is when the higherups select for zealous loyalty, and not competence. That is why the modern regime is filled with blockheads, because they have gone decrepit and need people who are loyal to the ideology, lest the competent people replace them and take power instead. This I also believe is in line with this forum's orthodoxy, that in order to have a successful political organization you need to select for high skill, for excellence (spiritual, material, or mental,) and for noble spirit - "One aristocrat of the soul is more capable than a million Walmart employees."

Yes. More concerning is that every "movement" becomes decrepit almost at inception, with such loyalty selection. I guess the "tricky times" we live in and the ease of infiltration made everyone's balls shrink and gave them paranoid disorders.
#27
(12-05-2022, 10:39 AM)Chud Wrote: The AF-sphere is a cumrag caked with the memetic emissions of more highbrow RW cultures. A stain of normiecon televangelism, a dab of Moonman Garrison name-them infographery, and to keep the whole thing rigid, a fat gob of tradcath yes-Chad rhetoric. These people are pure "memetic progeny". Their mental lives are dictated by canned phrases to an extent the average Amarnite can't appreciate.

A month after OP, the mohfuggin based nigger Ye and El Castizo Fuhrer are no longer in the news, have zero support, and have--surprise, surprise!--done literally nothing to shift the zeitgeist. The only thing that came out of it in the normiesphere was a shitty meme (but he made Graduation!) where people would generally look down on those who tried to defend Muhfuggin' BASED nigger 'Ye. The only thing of any note that The Artist Formerly Known as Coonye has done is produce a new song, and Catboy Fuhrer is nowhere to be seen, probably streaming to his inconsequential swarthoid audience. Monseiur Chud does the best breakdown of who these people are. In summation, the Fuentes crowd are people who "failed to evolve" beyond 2016-era /pol/emics. When presented with new thought, such as BAP or Moldbug, they retreat to their mental sewer of "NO DUDE IT'S THE JEWS IF YOU NAME THEM YOU WIN". There's still a few kinks we have to work out but the theory is sound, I'm sure.

I was one who, when Coonye went on Tucker, wanted to observe and see how it all played out. I thought that if the nigger played his cards right, this could be a boon, but he didn't, and he went with the tired and fake "SPEEKIN' TROOF TA POWA MANG". Turns out my dad had it right when his initial reaction was "looks like Kanye's lost his marbles".
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#28
>When presented with new thought, such as BAP or Moldbug, they retreat to their mental sewer of "NO DUDE IT'S THE JEWS IF YOU NAME THEM YOU WIN".
You just named two "based" jewish guys and then implied we shouldn't be antisemitic. I would be more inclined to take you faggots seriously if you weren't obviously running cover for kikes.
#29
(01-13-2023, 10:37 PM)Guest Wrote: >When presented with new thought, such as BAP or Moldbug, they retreat to their mental sewer of "NO DUDE IT'S THE JEWS IF YOU NAME THEM YOU WIN".
You just named two "based" jewish guys and then implied we shouldn't be antisemitic. I would be more inclined to take you faggots seriously if you weren't obviously running cover for kikes.

Your faith in The Plan would put many Qboomers to shame.
#30
I could understand disliking Fuentes and Ye, but following that up with promoting 2 irrelevant nobodies? BAP's grift is basically the half-baked edgy version of Tate's, and Moldbug is literally jewish. Moldbug's ethnicity is fitting because his ideology is basically tying neoconservatism into so many knots it seems to be something new and exciting.

I get the moldbug thing but isn’t baps grift relatively new? I mean he has been around far longer then he’s been a grifter(making money for being dissident), so it really doesn’t seem like that big of a critique.

Okay so you're saying he's a grifter but it's no big deal. Obviously it's a completely different situation when it's the funny monkey jacking off guy.

He was our guy before he became grifter. Isn’t that the main critique of grifters, they aren’t ideologically pure? Only in it for the money?
#31
BAP is a grifter because he makes money off of his podcast but fuentes isn't because ???
#32
I'm loyal to neither BAP nor Fuentes. I just find it amusing that a group of such "spiritually superior individuals" still have gay loyalty tests about things like BAP and anime. Well I guess the frogs and jaks were already a hint toward how hard the larp is, but I'm thoroughly entertained nonetheless.

“You mean you guys aren’t all powerful deities who can shoot lazers out of your eyes and fly through the sky’s? Not so different from jaks now are we? Still having to organize and plan and do all the normal things required for winning, like you can’t understand how disillusioned I am with you right now.”
#33
(01-13-2023, 11:40 PM)Guest Wrote: I'm loyal to neither BAP nor Fuentes. I just find it amusing that a group of such "spiritually superior individuals" still have gay loyalty tests about things like BAP and anime. Well I guess the frogs and jaks were already a hint toward how hard the larp is, but I'm thoroughly entertained nonetheless.

It's not a loyalty test. More like a taste/quality barometer. You can't fail, but it will of course colour how one thinks of you. We'll let you post here regardless of your thoughts on any one thing.
#34
In the context of my post, I was talking about how the Fuentes gang would not engage with any thought higher than their 2001 Stormfront-level mental detritus, and used BAP and Moldbug as examples. Anyone talking about "being loyal to" someone online is a spiritual NIGGER. I like BAP thought on many things, his thought advanced my anti-semitism to a level not seen in thousands of years, and he has influenced my own thought in many ways; but this is thought. I don't claim loyalty to BAP (or anyone for that matter) because no one is The Leader; I'm my own leader. So many of you fags are looking for the next The Leader of The Movement, and it shows a lack of spiritual fortitude to reduce discussion of thought to that level.

"ARE YOU LOYAL TOO DA PARTY COMRADE? WHO IS YO' LEADA?"
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#35
You're right fellow guest, Hitler would be jak posting and binge watching anime. I'm not disillusioned, because it was obvious from a cursory glance that this community has nothing of value. Sure there are a lot of effortposts, but it's usually just autistic fixation on random details and the rest is literally regurgitated platitudes. Though one could argue that the very nature of discourse is one of regurgitation, it doesn't expempt the people here from a total lack of self awareness. But to be serious, I can post angsty counter arguments all I want. It accomplishes nothing, people are set in their ways because they refuse to look beyond their usual comforts. I should know, being a NEET loser who spends most of his time watching Youtube because he ran out of edgy Twitter posts to motivate him into larping as a person with some sort of purpose in the world. I look in all these random corners of ideology and spirituality because I'm a fundamentally cowardly, impotent, pathetic person who cannot cope with the total enslavement of will demanded by life in modern society. After all the searching, I found most people want to fit in. To be happy. To be loved. There's no grand mystery or conspiracy or epic clash of titans, the world is just boring and empty. And everything I did was pointless, because I was cattle from the day I was born. Make fun of me, have a grand laugh at my foolishness and pathetic attempt to lash out in spite. I'm just a broken man screaming into the void.

Um, read Thus Spoke Zarathustra. Your like killing the vibe man. Not very youthful or filled with vitality.
#36
(01-14-2023, 12:34 AM)Guest Wrote: I'm not disillusioned, because it was obvious from a cursory glance that this community has nothing of value.

Do you believe there is value anywhere? Or have you truly given up? And if you have given up and all places are the same, why make a point of any particular place not having value? Are you perhaps calling for us to live in the moment and appreciate the fucking miracle of life?
#37
Well obviously I have not given up. My heart is still beating and here I am posting. I move past the bleak horizon, towards an invisible force that compels me forward despite all obstacles. I made a point of this particular place precisely because it is you I believe in. It is your spirit. It is your unique Destiny. If I can share my feelings, my pain, my knowledge, perhaps someone here will find something insightful. When I said I would scream into the void, I did not mean I would do so in despair. After everything, even with my soul shattered to pieces, there remains a silent triumph, perhaps a silent hope. It visits me in my dreams and I awake refreshed and renewed, ready to charge once more into the breach. It visits me in the falling snow, the gentle rain, the rays of sunshine reaching down to grant me warmth. It's not about life, because life can go on without me. It's about my struggle, what I fought for, what my ancestors fought for. And no matter how bleak things get, I will never abandon these convictions. Yes, it is confusing and contradictory. Perhaps I have become a confused person after wandering around aimlessly for so long. But those are my underlying beliefs since birth, and I won't lie about them.
#38
(01-14-2023, 12:12 AM)Aizen Wrote: "ARE YOU LOYAL TOO DA PARTY COMRADE? WHO IS YO' LEADA?"

I have nothing more really to say on this issue other than what I said would come to pass came to pass but I want to touch on what Aizen raised here as its something I care about deeply. That is the spirit of AF and all movements like it is the same of as the African National Congress, it has the exact same sense of leadership and statecraft as the nigger communism it supposedly is against. One should not consider these types in their ebonic expressions their foul behavior and cultist idea of politics to be different from The System no matter the words they mouth or the symbols they take up.
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“Power changes its appearance but not its reality.”― Bertrand De Jouvenel
#39
"Loyalty is the only political virtue that matters" Bronze Age Pervert

Loyalty to the White man and not niggers.
#40
The nature of the loyalty is significant, AF loyalty is based around cult of personality and is willing to cuck on important issues because their leader is highest priority. Diffident kinds of loyalty might be loyalty to your flag(state), loyalty to ideas, loyalty to your self(self-interest), and et cetera. Politics is about you or your group winning against another person or group. Groups can be bound by principles of mutual benefit or belief in an idea. AF is not bound by what it’s name implies(America) but to their leader. 

A higher form of politics would be more inspired by ideas or national interest with political figures existing to push these ideas or national interest. The political figure existing in service of the idea. Hitler lived for Germany and the German people.

but BAP specifically meant loyalty to people rather than ideas or state

(01-14-2023, 04:19 AM)Guest Wrote: "Loyalty is the only political virtue that matters" Bronze Age Pervert

Loyalty to the White man and not niggers.

Fuentes is as white as Bap

Fuentes worships a nigger(cooney west)



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