The Ye-Fuentes-Milo Axis: A Trojan Horse into the Judeo-Cathedral

[Guest]

but BAP specifically meant loyalty to people rather than ideas or state

I’m not going to check if this if true or not and am going under the assumption it is.
In the coordination of a group absolute loyalty to a leader is definitely a virtue yes, it does maximize chances of winning. For a group to win this does seem to be the winning strategy.

Now AF is very loyal to their leader but to what ever goal the group formed under in the beginning eventually got subverted into multi-racial working class hanging out with cooney west black nationalist nigger. It does show how this method does have its draw backs. If the leader is inherently corrupt then the group will not have any future regardless. 

Cultish behavior towards a specific leader doesn’t hurt the movement until that group is eventually derailed away from the greater movement. Nuclearabsolutionist’s critique comes from someone from the greater movement who witness a smaller part of the movement get derailed. Their cultish locality which ties the group together also is what prevents them from rejoining the greater movement so this is a valid critique.

But any way “Loyalty is the only political virtue that matters” is true as a principle regardless. Although it may have the ability to harm a greater movement, for any group to succeed they will actually have to be loyal to a leader and work as a unified body. This principle isn’t suddenly invalidated when a group runs off the rails away from its greater movement.

[Kasarix]

For all AF boasts of how important loyalty is, it doesn't seem to actually avail them anything when it matters: We observe time and again that every time they hit a bump, several members defect even though they previously claimed loyalty to the figurehead; for a group that selects for loyalty, they have an absurd amount of betrayal that you'd think could only happen in a fictional story.

That is, as someone who observes their drama fairly close, you see that people will defect even though they 99.9% agree with AF W.R.T. ideology: Jaden, failed interns, John Doyle, among others, have almost 0 quarrel to have with AF as far as motives, vision, or practices go, and yet they all seek to destroy AF currently. I theorize - and people may correct me on this - that this defector phenomena would be different if they were encouraged to be loyal to the ideas rather than the figurehead, for if they cared most of all about the ultimate good of "saving the country," they would realize the importance of sticking with AF even though they may suffer some petty infighting and backbiting here and there, but since they are encouraged merely to be loyal to a "leader," the second the leader and its representatives rear an ugly head at them, they turn tail, lose all faith in the leader, and want to destroy the leader since their facade of his perfection was destroyed - something that can only happen when the person is more important than the idea.

Nick Fuentes himself says the defector phenomenon is because many individuals in AF suffer from cowardice and thus abandon ship when things go awry, but even then this just shows that no amount of loyalty will cover for failures of character and that it seems to only cause embarrassment whenever some "YE24/NICKER CULTIST" goes from "rape, kill, and die for Nick"-tier loyalty, and then, like it's an episode of gossip girls, turn 180 and join the "alog crowd."
Whereas if you seek out people highly dedicated to a cause or vision - and you can sense this in their behavior rather than their words - they may be more willing to cooperate because their dependency upon your ingroup is based on the efficacy of working together to accomplish the shared goal. Compared to so-called "loyal" people, who are only dependent on your ingroup because of what you may offer them personally, or their own fondness for the figurehead which is much more unstable than their fondness for an idea.

[Aizen]

The nature of the loyalty is significant, AF loyalty is based around cult of personality and is willing to cuck on important issues because their leader is highest priority. Diffident kinds of loyalty might be loyalty to your flag(state), loyalty to ideas, loyalty to your self(self-interest), and et cetera. Politics is about you or your group winning against another person or group. Groups can be bound by principles of mutual benefit or belief in an idea. AF is not bound by what it’s name implies(America) but to their leader. 

A higher form of politics would be more inspired by ideas or national interest with political figures existing to push these ideas or national interest. The political figure existing in service of the idea. Hitler lived for Germany and the German people.

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but BAP specifically meant loyalty to people rather than ideas or state

The problem of Loyalty today is that so many are looking for Hitler 2, but this same many would have been seen as degenerate trash by the NSDAP. One can only be led by another who is greater than him. Yes, so for so many submitting to the will of Fuentes, they are implicitly saying they are lower than this stunted creature. A true Man will become great enough and confident enough in his own powers so that he feels no one should lead him, and if a Leader truly does emerge, he will be actually great enough to do something; much opposed to the spergaloids of today who pretend.

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For all AF boasts of how important loyalty is, it doesn't seem to actually avail them anything when it matters: We observe time and again that every time they hit a bump, several members defect even though they previously claimed loyalty to the figurehead; for a group that selects for loyalty, they have an absurd amount of betrayal that you'd think could only happen in a fictional story.

People leave AF because they realize its a cartoonish organization pretending at Serious Political Movement. Aside from all the obvious Federale actions involved in their group, they are wholly unattractive and provide low-hanging fruit for leftoid trash. This group makes a point of appealing itself to a very small subset of Gen Z: people who are completely disaffected with life, unpopular with women, and have no real goals in life; in other words, the lowest people in this generation, at the same level as troons and queers. Such a group will accomplish nothing besides being the latest spectre of “White Supremacy” for the left, and a database of “extremists” for the FBI,  something they have already accomplished quite well.

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I will only rape, kill, and die for Adolf Hitler.

[Guest]

A nice hodgepodge minstrel troupe of a schizophrenic nigger, a homosexual in denial, and an Italo-Mexican wignat who turned on a dime the moment he could grift with his hip-hop hero... I wonder if Fuentes has gone over crime statistics with Ye - or did he silently tuck those away back onto the bookshelf, so as not to miss out on that precious "street cred"? I don't blame him, really. The whole thing is amusing, in a grotesque, "watching a car crash" sort of way - not worth putting any more thought into it beyond that.

[Kasarix]

Aside from all the obvious Federale actions involved in their group, they are wholly unattractive and provide low-hanging fruit for leftoid trash. This group makes a point of appealing itself to a very small subset of Gen Z: people who are completely disaffected with life, unpopular with women, and have no real goals in life; in other words, the lowest people in this generation, at the same level as troons and queers.

This to me just exposes the problem of RW refuse being endemic all across the internet and even IRL. Simply the level of spiritual, mental, and physical dysgenics happening with a lot of RW stock I think causes a lot of our problems; you either have stunted millennials who form TRS, wigger zoomers who form AF, impotent geriatrics, and the rest of RW people I meet are just unremarkable livestock who show no will or potential to do anything substantial. I am of course not one to toot my own horn, I'm just making observations as a mere dissociated set of eyes, and eyes alone cannot do much. But I do not see any prodigies, or at least people who are worth pledging unquestionable loyalty to. I say all of this to bring into question whether it is even necessary to have an army of peasants at your back if they don't achieve anything, it's not like the millions of redpilled people in America have any de facto influence over the world, ratioing people isn't that impactful unfortunately.

[Aizen]

Aside from all the obvious Federale actions involved in their group, they are wholly unattractive and provide low-hanging fruit for leftoid trash. This group makes a point of appealing itself to a very small subset of Gen Z: people who are completely disaffected with life, unpopular with women, and have no real goals in life; in other words, the lowest people in this generation, at the same level as troons and queers.

This to me just exposes the problem of RW refuse being endemic all across the internet and even IRL. Simply the level of spiritual, mental, and physical dysgenics happening with a lot of RW stock I think causes a lot of our problems; you either have stunted millennials who form TRS, wigger zoomers who form AF, impotent geriatrics, and the rest of RW people I meet are just unremarkable livestock who show no will or potential to do anything substantial. I am of course not one to toot my own horn, I'm just making observations as a mere dissociated set of eyes, and eyes alone cannot do much. But I do not see any prodigies, or at least people who are worth pledging unquestionable loyalty to. I say all of this to bring into question whether it is even necessary to have an army of peasants at your back if they don't achieve anything, it's not like the millions of redpilled people in America have any de facto influence over the world, ratioing people isn't that impactful unfortunately.

This why I suggest in other thred that our guys ought focus on building power in their personal life, wealth, influence, etc. and only then think about organizing. Even then, any organization must be somewhere outside of the Eye of Sauron. Only then can we take back what is ours. These performative antics and WN conferences you see from clowns will accomplish nothing except screwing over young guys who want to do something good.

[Guest]

Loyalty is also loyalty of one towards his sub-ordinates, keeping in their best interests, when they might disagree.
Some would argue that one does this...
But it is a foolish argument. Because it is not sentiment that matters, not intentions. But efficacy.
As for which sorts have better results, if it is not self-evident, then one is blind.
In short: Loyalty has two directions. From bottom to top can be fulfilled by blind faith, or whatever faith. What flows from top to bottom must come from good judgement and discernment.
It is unfair, but such is the job of this position.
See: Seppuku

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Also, regarding BAP now: He states himself that he is an entertainer and not a political figure etc. In short, he abdicates himself of leadership. His deeds are also similar, since he does not do anything in the political field except say: "I like this guy. Vote for him!" and "This is the situation in this country" (analysis.)
Similarly in other matters...I have never seen him claim spiritual authority, religious authority, even over things he is very well-read in.

Regardless of all this, "Guest" is BAP's greatest soldier. Any "Guest" claimed otherwise is NOT "Guest" and is merely some interloper. Thank you, and have a good night.

[Guest]

Loyalty is also loyalty of one towards his sub-ordinates, keeping in their best interests, when they might disagree.
Some would argue that one does this...
But it is a foolish argument. Because it is not sentiment that matters, not intentions. But efficacy.
As for which sorts have better results, if it is not self-evident, then one is blind.
In short: Loyalty has two directions. From bottom to top can be fulfilled by blind faith, or whatever faith. What flows from top to bottom must come from good judgement and discernment.
It is unfair, but such is the job of this position.
See: Seppuku

I think the word you mean is responsibility or duty. One can only have loyalty towards what they perceive as greater then themselves. It’s a complete devotion regardless of circumstance. Argos waits his whole life for the return of his master Odysseus. Hachiko waits for his dead master to return. It’s a devotion that goes beyond roles. 

Responsibility has to do with role, a follower has the responsibility to do what a follower does, follows. A leader has the responsibility to lead. If a leader is disgraced and loses their position and power, they lose their role. The privileges and responsibilities that went with that role also fade, loyalty supersedes this and the devote followers carry on.

Responsibility is related to the word efficiency while loyalty is related to sentiment.

[Guest]

why does achilles return to battle, etc. etc.

[Aizen]

In short: Loyalty has two directions. From bottom to top can be fulfilled by blind faith, or whatever faith. What flows from top to bottom must come from good judgement and discernment.

I don't really have anything to add to this post, just want to point out that this is very astute and well put. Many forget Hitler was there with his boys during the Putsch, Washington was there freezing and starving with his men at Valley Forge, Caesar would, on several occasions, stick his neck out and fight and suffer with his men. Even today you see Trump--for all his faults--he is unwilling to back down and fights for his people, and the greatest criticisms of him from our side--the only real criticisms--are the fact that on some occasions he wouldn't get his guys out of the shit--see Jan. 6 political prisoners. Only such a man is deserving of the respect and loyalty of a Leader.

[Frank]

The issue is simple: Climbers don't make good leaders. The online right wing is a leaderless movement, insofar as no one person is actively steering it. AF, which comes from the heritage of this movement and streamer culture, pretends not to be leaderless. It has an identity crisis it has not resolved and thus has not ascended meaningfully past being Nick Fuentes' social club.

I've written about the Climber Process before but it bears repeating. A streamer's workload grows as his viewership grows. Most streamers take some names they recognize from chat (their top viewers/chatters) and put them in charge. At a certain point, the streamer becomes popular enough to warrant the creation of communities outside their chat, i.e. a Discord. Now the streamer "experience" is a 24/7 community. If you truly just come to be entertained, you won't bother with these things. If you're a loser seeking a parasocial relationship, you'll become the Discord's top guy. The naive streamer, having had a pleasant experience with hiring from chat, once again takes the biggest contributors from the community to share their workload. The minor notoriety of being the streamer's top guys is often the most prestige one of these losers has gotten in their whole life, and they seek to roll that up into actual celebrity, so they make their own channel. Their viewership is scant but great potential lies in piggybacking on the main streamer; if he blows up, you might blow up, too. They can also collaborate with the main streamer and become a part of the main attraction. Wow, a real friend! A large community now rests on the shoulders of petty losers who finally tasted the fruit of socialization. Predictably, it doesn't take a lot to bring this down.

AF is guilty of this. He is not interviewing people to be put into a deliberate leadership structure. His friends (social climbing losers) eventually gain vaguely defined positions of prestige and use them for personal gain. A disagreement inevitably forms, drama is amplified and aired out for entertainment value, people get kicked out, new blood comes in, and the process repeats. This is not leadership, this is anarchy. Nick is not a leader, he's a low-effort streamer going through the motions for money. Any delusions of "leadership" are just flattery given to him by his climbers. Ironically, he could be working far less had he actually taken charge and assigned a formal leadership team to handle the movement. I think he's afraid to kick his friends out of leadership positions, which is also ironic because all his friends eventually get shown the door due to infighting. A little effort would've gone a long way.

[Verl]

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Great analysis. Couldn't have said it better myself.

[BillyONare]

https://www.bitchute.com/video/N9ifylQNBh5G/

Stuff like this is why I will always defend and have warm feelings for Nick Fuentes.

[anthony]

https://www.bitchute.com/video/N9ifylQNBh5G/

Stuff like this is why I will always defend and have warm feelings for Nick Fuentes.

This isn't funny or nuanced. This is Tucker Carlson for internet people. Delayed spoken /pol/ summaries.

[Aizen]

https://www.bitchute.com/video/N9ifylQNBh5G/

Stuff like this is why I will always defend and have warm feelings for Nick Fuentes.

This isn't funny or nuanced. This is Tucker Carlson for internet people. Delayed spoken /pol/ summaries.

When he started it was like a worse version of Tucker for zoomers. I remember, because I was among the first people to watch AF on YouTube. Nick was really rough around the edges, but what he was doing was good: He was well dressed and presented nicely, he spoke well, and he pushed Trump doctrine of "No stupid wars, no immigration, and bringing back manufacturing jobs" while also Covertly pushing race realism and the JQ. 

I don't know what happened because I didn't follow his group closely, but at some point he started dressing like a fucking hobo as shown in Billy's post, stopped talking about Trump doctrine and covert race realism, and started Overtly pushing JQ as his main talking point. That last bit sounds nice but you need to Winthpill yourself:  There is nothing more off-putting to the White middle class, the Boomercons, and their ilk than talking about how bad the Jews are. The vast majority of White people are going to shut down at best and think you're a Nazi (aka a Bad Guy) at worst when you talk about the Jews. His pushing multiracial antisemitic coalition is retarded too, many have made this point but it bears repeating, that brown people just see the Jews as a subset of Whitey; therefore, trying to rile up niggers against the Jews will just rile them up against White people by proxy, and the really rich Jews will be insulated from any brown horde attacks and just use these niggers (as they have for the last 100 years) as a battering ram against White civilization--see St. Floyd riots and the wealth transfer incurred afterwards.

Anyway, my point is that saying he's just Tucker for zoomers is really a huge insult against Tucker, as Tucker is far better presenting, far more intelligent, and educates the Boomercons and the White Middle Class on many important things, including talking to people in our sphere--see Raw Egg Nationalist Tucker segment.

[anthony]

When he started it was like a worse version of Tucker for zoomers. I remember, because I was among the first people to watch AF on YouTube. Nick was really rough around the edges, but what he was doing was good: He was well dressed and presented nicely, he spoke well, and he pushed Trump doctrine of "No stupid wars, no immigration, and bringing back manufacturing jobs" while also Covertly pushing race realism and the JQ. 

I don't know what happened because I didn't follow his group closely, but at some point he started dressing like a fucking hobo as shown in Billy's post, stopped talking about Trump doctrine and covert race realism, and started Overtly pushing JQ as his main talking point. That last bit sounds nice but you need to Winthpill yourself:  There is nothing more off-putting to the White middle class, the Boomercons, and their ilk than talking about how bad the Jews are. The vast majority of White people are going to shut down at best and think you're a Nazi (aka a Bad Guy) at worst when you talk about the Jews. His pushing multiracial antisemitic coalition is retarded too, many have made this point but it bears repeating, that brown people just see the Jews as a subset of Whitey; therefore, trying to rile up niggers against the Jews will just rile them up against White people by proxy, and the really rich Jews will be insulated from any brown horde attacks and just use these niggers (as they have for the last 100 years) as a battering ram against White civilization--see St. Floyd riots and the wealth transfer incurred afterwards.

Anyway, my point is that saying he's just Tucker for zoomers is really a huge insult against Tucker, as Tucker is far better presenting, far more intelligent, and educates the Boomercons and the White Middle Class on many important things, including talking to people in our sphere--see Raw Egg Nationalist Tucker segment.

I always found the suit thing gay and embarrassing. Audio-visual version of writer's voice, which I hate. "This is how it's supposed to be", only good for repeating and ripping off, which is what he built his brand on. Combining E Michael Jones with crass garbage he read on /pol/. The retarded old media adulting holdovers dropping off is good. He's clearly enjoying himself more, and producing something we genuinely can't get anywhere else. That is the experience of him being himself. As you say he's human garbage. A retarded /pol/ poisoned wigger moron. But, I won't knock authenticity. I just think he should be working in a supermarket or a warehouse.

And I'm also not super fond of Tucker. I just don't really get any of it. I don't really think it's possible to break zogbrain or even really desirable to do so. Most people are natural followercattle. Even smarter white people. What the world needs is better people holding the reins. If I got control of the ZOGmachine I wouldn't break it. I'd adjust the settings.

[Kasarix]

I'll just say this as an off-hand remark, but Nick acts like everyone - journalists, normies, onlookers, etc - watches his show intimately and has watched some 200+ hours. As someone who watched it during 2019-2020, I could point to the numerous times he expounded overtly on race and jews, but all of these expositions are *exclusive* to that mountain of talkshow content, no one can reasonably be expected to watch all that! And yet he posts everywhere else as if everyone has done this, which is why he makes 0 signals to race nowadays as he somehow assumes everyone is on the same level.

If indeed him just talking about race and redpills every day was his best contribution, then it's gone now; Nick himself affirmed this on the latest MLK show where he remarked something along the lines of "I've done the MLK rant for years now... do I really need to say the same things as though it were an annual occurrence?" Furthermore Nick's changed from a talkshow host to a political figure, as shown by him working on his behind-the-scenes projects. But even political figures understand the need to constantly signal to the masses their positions, platitudes, talking points, worldview, etc. Hopefully he realizes this and uses his platform for more than expounding on edrama and various people's connection to jews.

[anthony]

I'll just say this as an off-hand remark, but Nick acts like everyone - journalists, normies, onlookers, etc - watches his show intimately and has watched some 200+ hours. As someone who watched it during 2019-2020, I could point to the numerous times he expounded overtly on race and jews, but all of these expositions are *exclusive* to that mountain of talkshow content, no one can reasonably be expected to watch all that! And yet he posts everywhere else as if everyone has done this, which is why he makes 0 signals to race nowadays as he somehow assumes everyone is on the same level.

If indeed him just talking about race and redpills every day was his best contribution, then it's gone now; Nick himself affirmed this on the latest MLK show where he remarked something along the lines of "I've done the MLK rant for years now... do I really need to say the same things as though it were an annual occurrence?" Furthermore Nick's changed from a talkshow host to a political figure, as shown by him working on his behind-the-scenes projects. But even political figures understand the need to constantly signal to the masses their positions, platitudes, talking points, worldview, etc. Hopefully he realizes this and uses his platform for more than expounding on edrama and various people's connection to jews.

Behind the scenes projects?

And of course again, what the hell is the point of repeatedly talking /pol/ at /pol/ forever? "the need to constantly signal to the masses", why?

[Kasarix]

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He said back last year that he was mostly going on hiatus from the show to do stuff with kanye, although I'm sure he's working on other stuff - prolly the BAP documentary, organizing AFPAC IV, among other things. He's returned to do the show, but it's taken a different tone as now he just goes on to show off his fancy hoodies and talk about random happenings, it's much less rhetoric-oriented than it was before.
As for the purpose of rhetoric itself, it would be helpful to signal his beliefs about race if for no other reason than to prove he's not gone soft on the issue so he can kowtow to kanye, but alas. He actually recognizes himself the pointless repetition of spouting talking points 24/7 as Tucker does, but for someone who built his entire platform off of doing that, it's jarring that he would stop it. I suppose for him there's not much need to do so anymore since his audience has sort of flatlined in outreach and thus doesn't need to spout platitudes anymore.

[anthony]

He said back last year that he was mostly going on hiatus from the show to do stuff with kanye, although I'm sure he's working on other stuff - prolly the BAP documentary, organizing AFPAC IV, among other things.

Good fucking God.

He's returned to do the show, but it's taken a different tone as now he just goes on to show off his fancy hoodies and talk about random happenings, it's much less rhetoric-oriented than it was before.

As for the purpose of rhetoric itself, it would be helpful to signal his beliefs about race if for no other reason than to prove he's not gone soft on the issue so he can kowtow to kanye, but alas. He actually recognizes himself the pointless repetition of spouting talking points 24/7 as Tucker does, but for someone who built his entire platform off of doing that, it's jarring that he would stop it. I suppose for him there's not much need to do so anymore since his audience has sort of flatlined in outreach and thus doesn't need to spout platitudes anymore.

Even if he hasn't "gone soft" what difference does it make? I think you're right that "flatlined in outreach" seems to be the state of this and a whole lot of the rw internet. And now they all have to face the question I keep asking. "Now what?"  Apparently a "bap documentary" (did you know he's a jew who hates third worldist nigger communism with based characteristics also he eats de poopoo), "AFPAC IV" (sitting at a desk in a grown up suit reading /pol/ memes THE LIVE SHOW EXTRAVAGANZA), and "other things" (not promising).

The theme here seems to be that it's all variations on sitting at a microphone telling people what they already know they like to hear. The whole internet right problem to me seems to be underpants gnome thinking.

Phase 1. Reach the masses with based content
Phase 2. ??????
Phase 3. Victory