The challenges of TND.

[Categorical Imperative Rape]

This is a thread discussing TND. This is not a thread concerning whether or not TND should pursued or not. I believe that the annihilation of the lower races is a prerequisite for real political considerations, these considerations will not be discussed here, I will just say what they are outright: The development of a scientific methodology for history, this can only be achieved once Aryan humanity is freed from all present historical conditionings; this of course requires that we be freed from the duty of paternalistic managing of browns.

This thread aims to discuss priorities, specifically in relation to eugenics. The problem arises from the economic effects of common sense-based eugenics (CSBE), what I mean by CSBE is not elimination of heritable health conditions (this is such an obvious concern that even liberal states could be convinced to implement). What I mean by common sense-based eugenics is reproductive policy that has become necessary and finds it's only opposition in liberal consent-based extremism.

To make clear what CSBE would entail let's consider the situation of Portugal. Let us imagine that Portugal breaks free from the liberal quagmire. In this case if we assume that Portugal would like to fight for its sovereignty, we would have to consider that it's median IQ is around 92. A small country with 92 median IQ population will not be able to compete with any international power, it must become a client of a larger power and accept its status as a province. This means that it must accept whatever ideology is espoused by said power even if only partially.

The way to break away from this would be eugenics, if we aim to make the medium IQ into something like 100 Portugal's miniscule population would take a massive hit, this is fine on its own since most of our jobs are fake anyway; the problem would be the old pensioners, since the welfare state requires a stable age distribution, we can only imagine that this would force the olds to die of starvation. This is fine by me, however, if we are not able to keep all prospect elites very happy, they might find the perfect clientele for a liberal revolution. The entire economic situation would force Portugal to rely on European migrants, especially from high IQ countries, but at that point our sovereignty would be in a precarious position again.

Obviously, this means that countries must move away from liberal consent-based extremism as a block. At this point it must be said that Europe must become the focus of this political shift, America gets its redeemable qualities from its "western" nature, we can imagine that an anti-liberal revolution in America could easily become post-liberal multicultural communitarianism.

If Europe becomes illiberal, we could pursue eugenics (this is the only coherent anti-liberal form of politics), here the same problems arise as with the Portugal case, however we would not have any white high IQ migrants to rely on so we must turn our focus to making the elites very happy and very rich. At this point we have to imagine how difficult it would be to implement TND, of course, we would have to export browns from Europe, however, the only way to secure a European eugenic empire would be through a colonialist economic project, the elites would be brought to our side through the promise of getting very rich by having very cheap labour and much fertile land.

At this point we have to discuss international relations aka. Partial Nigger Death, that is, the fact that at this point we could defeat all eastern "civilizational" fronts. China would be very easy to defeat and the same goes for India, Iran etc... And since we have no commitment to liberalism, we could force them to become our vassals.

The question of TND becomes central here, this kind of colonialism is very cumbersome, especially to a civilization who now has total planetary hegemony (depending on whether America chooses to join or to fight), this civilization would now be at the crossroads, it is now time to decide what it's goals will be, and if one has to take care of the retarded potion of "humanity" this decision could never be made freely. Only at this point could we decide to replace them, maybe through automation... Of course, automation comes with its own problems, even if a machine is better than a pakistani slave etc...

The point of this thought experiment is to show how the question of priorities is central, CSBE is absolutely necessary, this should not be ignored, it might even be already too late, and since this has absolute priority, one should consider how it's implementation might require the return of a slavery-based planetary economy. I would like to hear your thoughts on this.

 

[Categorical Imperative Rape]

This plan of mine is a little pie-in-the-sky, but I believe any plan of PND/TND requires a consideration of disease. In a distinctly American context, the near-total eradication of Indians from the land is the best example. Had diseases not been an issue, the valiant fighting of the frontiersmen would have achieved a similar result to today's Indian demographics, but the spread of disease amongst the Indians had hastened their population decline; in a sense, the sheer might of disease proved wholesale the biological superiority of the White citizen. Even today, one can glimpse through various studies to see a similar equivalent of that old truth: with COVID-19 demographics, the negro populations fare much worse than the White counterparts. If the objective is to achieve PND, an infectious enough virus could be released in specific areas every two or three years. If the objective is to achieve TND, then the viruses could be released on a seasonal basis. Even if they transfer over into White populations, they will fare better than the nonwhites (assuming if they do not have any pre-existing conditions or advanced age).
The conditions of the Indian example are much different from a contemporary context — the Indian's isolation from the world practically necessitated death by infection — but it is clear that the immune systems of races are differentiated from one another. To what extent are they differentiated, and how useful this will be for the TND/PND cause is something to be determined in the future.

This is a good idea, however, the moment we decide to exterminate non-whites it would be relatively easy to do so, assuming we have already attained world hegemony. I have no doubts in my mind that the Chinese will try weaponize disease against us. The problem is not how we will kill them but when. First we must crush them politically and exploit them economically.

[anthony]

This is a good idea, however, the moment we decide to exterminate non-whites it would be relatively easy to do so, assuming we have already attained world hegemony. I have no doubts in my mind that the Chinese will try weaponize disease against us. The problem is not how we will kill them but when. First we must crush them politically and exploit them economically.

The trouble I see with threads like this is that pretty much anything would be relatively easy assuming we have already attained world hegemony.

[Categorical Imperative Rape]

This is a good idea, however, the moment we decide to exterminate non-whites it would be relatively easy to do so, assuming we have already attained world hegemony. I have no doubts in my mind that the Chinese will try weaponize disease against us. The problem is not how we will kill them but when. First we must crush them politically and exploit them economically.

The trouble I see with threads like this is that pretty much anything would be relatively easy assuming we have already attained world hegemony.

Yes, the point here is about how eugenics is absolutely necessary and the foremost priority, annhialation of peoples is something that must be done in industrial scale it requires asymetry in political power. That is the point I am trying to call attention to. On the other hand, world hegemony can be attained through military conquest, if the white world was united this would be a foregone conclusion.

Long story short: Cultural victory ➝ Eugenics ➝ War with the East ➝ TND. Should be the the default plan, before TND we should try to implement a hard colonial system.

[Guest]

Viruses are not a coup-complete problem. They are a technical problem. One could figure out the entire classified nuclear weapons stuff with some physics lectures and reasoning. Same with viruses. One could learn how to splice genes. One could learn how to cultivate viruses in bacteria medium. See the ultimate power thread. Delivery mechanisms don't need to be super bigbrained. One could employ simple tainted consumable donation boxes to the 3rd world.

Imagine a second scramble for africa.

[Reverend Moon Immortal]

The theme of this thread is global economy. Goal=TND but the N(non-whites in this case) also make up a large part of the global economy—so our main concern is mitigating and shifting the effects of TND on our future empire. 

If India and China were to drop off the face of the earth tomorrow the effect it would have on the US would be economic/trade wise.
The modern world as we know it is constituted on a complex inter-working of trade. Raw materials from Brazil and Africa would best be procured by our guys sent by a private company to collect these things but more complexly created goods like semi-conductors can not be procured in the same way.

Taiwan produces over 60% of the world's semiconductors and over 90% of the most advanced ones. Most are manufactured by a single company, Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Corporation (TSMC). Until now, the most advanced have been made only in Taiwan.

It would be fastest to conquer these countries and take the special machines used to make the special good. We would essentially up root any special factories and bring them home or integrate our guys into the factories and eventually overrun them making them ours. It’s a matter of understanding what the N-world has that can not be easily replaced. 

For instance—how much of china, with a population of 1.4 billion, is actually productive towards global trade, and how much is yeast life?—farms(food for workers), sites like mines and forestry(raw material for good(under the assumption that they can not be procured by our African companies)), and factories(the goods we need) are all what need to be sustained while the rest of china: small villages and rural country—can be purged, with a lot of the urban population included. We could do this(TND) gradually by making the urban/rural divide that liberals are so obsessed about real. Covid measures in china were already pretty drastic—if we cut of all movements between rural and urban we could secretly spread virus or some other means to kill the superficial population of the country-side while appropriating chinas quarantine measures to slowly purge the urban population.

Once we invade we declare some super-virus outbreak and copy what china did before; As long as we do not kill any important people for sustaining global trade we could hollow china out effectively without hurting our empires standard of life.

[Categorical Imperative Rape]

The theme of this thread is global economy. Goal=TND but the N(non-whites in this case) also make up a large part of the global economy—so our main concern is mitigating and shifting the effects of TND on our future empire. 

If India and China were to drop off the face of the earth tomorrow the effect it would have on the US would be economic/trade wise.
The modern world as we know it is constituted on a complex inter-working of trade. Raw materials from Brazil and Africa would best be procured by our guys sent by a private company to collect these things but more complexly created goods like semi-conductors can not be procured in the same way.

Taiwan produces over 60% of the world's semiconductors and over 90% of the most advanced ones. Most are manufactured by a single company, Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Corporation (TSMC). Until now, the most advanced have been made only in Taiwan.

It would be fastest to conquer these countries and take the special machines used to make the special good. We would essentially up root any special factories and bring them home or integrate our guys into the factories and eventually overrun them making them ours. It’s a matter of understanding what the N-world has that can not be easily replaced. 

For instance—how much of china, with a population of 1.4 billion, is actually productive towards global trade, and how much is yeast life?—farms(food for workers), sites like mines and forestry(raw material for good(under the assumption that they can not be procured by our African companies)), and factories(the goods we need) are all what need to be sustained while the rest of china: small villages and rural country—can be purged, with a lot of the urban population included. We could do this(TND) gradually by making the urban/rural divide that liberals are so obsessed about real. Covid measures in china were already pretty drastic—if we cut of all movements between rural and urban we could secretly spread virus or some other means to kill the superficial population of the country-side while appropriating chinas quarantine measures to slowly purge the urban population.

Once we invade we declare some super-virus outbreak and copy what china did before; As long as we do not kill any important people for sustaining global trade we could hollow china out effectively without hurting our empires standard of life.

This is pretty good, exactly the point I was trying to make.

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One thing that should be focused is how to prevent elites or prospect elites from going for the revolution path, especially since there will be so many alienated groups, a broad coalition of people effected by the economic impact of Common Sense Eugenics and colonialism could be used as a spearhead for a liberal revolution, we must make sure that there is more to be gained from our system than otherwise, this means keeping the elites very happy and very rich. This comes up against the problems of polygyny, since this practice could mitigate some the demographic effects of eugenics.

 

The problem with this is that it would be very hard to convince a smart career-centred young man to manage a harem, regardless of the amount of sex he would stand to gain from this, in this instance, a class of eunuchs of non-white origin might become necessary, these personal servants are another way in which we might come to depend on non-whites. The reason why this class of servants should come from non-white backgrounds is because a race already strained by limits on reproduction cannot be spread thin, all good genetic material must be harnessed, and bad outcomes must be kept to a minimum.

[Guest]

One thing that should be focused is how to prevent elites or prospect elites from going for the revolution path, especially since there will be so many alienated groups, a broad coalition of people effected by the economic impact of Common Sense Eugenics and colonialism could be used as a spearhead for a liberal revolution, we must make sure that there is more to be gained from our system than otherwise, this means keeping the elites very happy and very rich. This comes up against the problems of polygyny, since this practice could mitigate some the demographic effects of eugenics.

The demographic effects of eugenics are presumably reduced population. Polygyny works better because male unavailability is less of a barrier to fertility.

The problem with this is that it would be very hard to convince a smart career-centred young man to manage a harem, regardless of the amount of sex he would stand to gain from this, in this instance, a class of eunuchs of non-white origin might become necessary, these personal servants are another way in which we might come to depend on non-whites. The reason why this class of servants should come from non-white backgrounds is because a race already strained by limits on reproduction cannot be spread thin, all good genetic material must be harnessed, and bad outcomes must be kept to a minimum.

How feasible are eunuchs? If I were a eunuch I would be conspiring to poison the whole harem and kill or traumatize my masters kids. I think even blacks have a sense of spite? What races would you suggest fill these roles?

How much managing is really necessary? If bitches catfighting starts to draw blood their fitbit can indicate that and a tranquilizer dart can be deployed per involved party. Otherwise, they can be herded between rooms by small drones armed with tazers. This isn't sci-fi, this is like a weekend project. A startup could provide such a setup. The only thing preventing this is the law right now.

[Categorical Imperative Rape]

One thing that should be focused is how to prevent elites or prospect elites from going for the revolution path, especially since there will be so many alienated groups, a broad coalition of people effected by the economic impact of Common Sense Eugenics and colonialism could be used as a spearhead for a liberal revolution, we must make sure that there is more to be gained from our system than otherwise, this means keeping the elites very happy and very rich. This comes up against the problems of polygyny, since this practice could mitigate some the demographic effects of eugenics.

The demographic effects of eugenics are presumably reduced population. Polygyny works better because male unavailability is less of a barrier to fertility.

The problem with this is that it would be very hard to convince a smart career-centred young man to manage a harem, regardless of the amount of sex he would stand to gain from this, in this instance, a class of eunuchs of non-white origin might become necessary, these personal servants are another way in which we might come to depend on non-whites. The reason why this class of servants should come from non-white backgrounds is because a race already strained by limits on reproduction cannot be spread thin, all good genetic material must be harnessed, and bad outcomes must be kept to a minimum.

How feasible are eunuchs? If I were a eunuch I would be conspiring to poison the whole harem and kill or traumatize my masters kids. I think even blacks have a sense of spite? What races would you suggest fill these roles?

How much managing is really necessary? If bitches catfighting starts to draw blood their fitbit can indicate that and a tranquilizer dart can be deployed per involved party. Otherwise, they can be herded between rooms by small drones armed with tazers. This isn't sci-fi, this is like a weekend project. A startup could provide such a setup. The only thing preventing this is the law right now.

The problem of polugyny is that it is too slow, and does not work without negative eugenics anyway, having a large population of genius leve IQ and a much larger population of retards is far from ideal, one still has to increse the median, Europe is one its way to diping below 95 median, that is the same as civilizational death.

On the second point, managing a harem is not a simple task, there needs to be some level of policing, as well as a way to make sure that the women don't mess with the infants and their education, that an overall environment of tension does not develop, on the other hand, the chinese are historically compatible with being eunuchs.

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We cannot forget that a harem is a longhouse, the kids will have to deal with passive aggression in extreme levels, the women will hate each other and the whole thing will turn into a form of slow torture for everyone involved, in order to combat that we either put the women in cages, in which case the education of children will have to be taken over by the state (which involves another class of eunuchs), or, the harems will have to offer a structured alternate society in which the children will have access not only to their mothers, but to many forms of entertainment under the watch of harmless men.

[NuclearAbsolutist]

How feasible are eunuchs? If I were a eunuch I would be conspiring to poison the whole harem and kill or traumatize my masters kids. I think even blacks have a sense of spite? What races would you suggest fill these roles?

We cannot forget that a harem is a longhouse, the kids will have to deal with passive aggression in extreme levels, the women will hate each other and the whole thing will turn into a form of slow torture for everyone involved, in order to combat that we either put the women in cages, in which case the education of children will have to be taken over by the state (which involves another class of eunuchs), or, the harems will have to offer a structured alternate society in which the children will have access not only to their mothers, but to many forms of entertainment under the watch of harmless men.

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