Touching Grass
#1
Browsing some older threads, I came across this:


Quote:I think the Chapo Fathouse advice of "touch grass" would actually be good advice for you in this instance, you should go outside and do more things, since the only thing you seem to do with a computer is jack off to cartoons.


written by Pigsaw and I suppose it sort of "got to me" (along with a few other things said in that particular discussion) and that's what led to this thread.

The point of this perhaps ill-conceived thread (I will delete it so as not to clutter up your forum if it ends up being boring) is to ask: What are the merits of "touching grass"? And what does it actually mean to touch grass anyway?

Does it mean to get a job? I once had a job for about two weeks, but found it so unbearable I just stopped turning up. I don't really see what the what the point in having a job is anyway. Nothing ever comes of it. Or maybe "touching grass" really just means going out and being social, like going to a pub or god forbid a night club. I don't enjoy things like that, and what's more there's no point. You won't make friends there, because from what I gather, male friendships aren't formed that way. And as for a girlfriend, wouldn't it be easier to just use tinder?... if you can stomach it.

I really dislike the idea of spending the rest of my days "living" in a digital monastery, but when I look at the outside world I wonder what the alternative is. Modern society seems like an empty wasteland with nothing to offer, but maybe there's something I'm not seeing. So tell me then, what do you see?





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#2
There's no clutter on a text forum. This is one thread. I assure you there's no problem. I don't delete threads.

As for Grass. Pigsaw does stuff. Not normal stuff. But a lot of stuff. We can't all find interesting things to do outside though, I sympathise.
#3
Lindenbaum Wrote:(I will delete it so as not to clutter up your forum if it ends up being boring)
If you have the notion that you're "cluttering" up a forum, then you are more conscious about quality than someone who actually poses an issue.


The definition of touch grass, as I understand it, means nothing else than "step back into reality for a change". What this actually suggests to the reader depends on how they even interpret pedestrian reality to begin with. For a libtarded user of the phrase (the Chapotard), it is a means to belittle chuddy types and reinforce certain collective hallucinations. I don't know if there are many examples showing our side using the same phrase. I would be interested in seeing how that would manifest, considering that the libtarded mind is perhaps the most detached of all. To even exist in such a state, without sacrificing all reason, requires an daily elaborate practice of mental gymnastics and intentional myopia, all to trudge through American life. For those that aren't cattle, such a life involves being mentally cloistered; it requires self-punishment and remorse. Such people are not arbiters of reality.
#4
Why not start by answering the implicit question in the quote: What do you do in your "digital monastery"? What ought you be remembered for? Many actual monks, living in actual monasteries, are still well remembered thousands of years after for their death for contributions to literature, writing, history, art, mathematics, etc. Can you say the same, or is your "monastery" just a lolicon gooncave? Will you be able to say you left something of importance behind? If so, I suppose there's nothing wrong with NEET monasticism. But it must at least be something on the order of "The Collected notes of Anon on 17th c. European tea culture" rather than "Anon's trashcan of sticky tissues".

You express an innate loathing of work. I'm afraid I can't relate--I have had schizophrenic episodes if I stay as a NEET for too long. One could call this revulsion to work "Aristocratic". One could call it also call it a 'groid mindset, but suppose it is aristocratic: What should the aristocrat NEET be like?
I imagine he ought to what Taleb describes as a flâneur, sauntering around the world, making observations on society, enjoying his own humanity like one slowly enjoys a fine wine. Or you can do what BAPtists do, and go on long (nudist friendly) mountaineering expeditions. To actually answer your question, these kinds of lifestyles to me represent the ideal of grass-touching--explorations of mankind and nature.
All right, commander!!
#5
I thought the original meaning of "touching grass" referred specifically to spending time in nature, but maybe that's not right and regardless it's just an ironic insult now. Hiking or visiting a beach can be rewarding if you have friends or family to go with. I enjoyed this a lot when I was younger. Some people appear to like exploring the outdoors on their own, but I personally don't see the appeal of going out of my way to travel somewhere only to be just as alone as I would be at home.

I think this strikes at the core of the issue with regard to more than just hiking, there aren't many worthwhile outdoor leisure activities that don't involve socializing with others. To exercise is one exception, and this might be the only interpretation of "touch grass" that is actually good and actionable advice. But going to a cafe or theater on my own makes no sense, my room is superior in every way. Do coldhealing-Americans really go to the proverbial club on their own? I'm unsure but I would guess not. The insult aims to belittle you for not being the type of person who has reason to go outside. It's basically the same as "have sex" and used in the same way too. "Touching grass" has complex hidden prerequisites that must be met before it's worthwhile.

As for your personal situation, maybe you'd feel better if you tried some more IRL activities just to convince yourself that there really isn't anything out there worth engaging with. There's also a possibility you could be proven wrong and find something you enjoy. My guess is that since this society seems to accommodate for most normalfags, you're not wholly convinced that it has no place for you. I can't say whether or not that's true, since I don't know enough about you or your surrounding environment.
#6
(03-11-2024, 03:16 AM)JohnTrent Wrote:
Lindenbaum Wrote:(I will delete it so as not to clutter up your forum if it ends up being boring)
If you have the notion that you're "cluttering" up a forum, then you are more conscious about quality than someone who actually poses an issue.


The definition of touch grass, as I understand it, means nothing else than "step back into reality for a change". What this actually suggests to the reader depends on how they even interpret pedestrian reality to begin with. For a libtarded user of the phrase (the Chapotard), it is a means to belittle chuddy types and reinforce certain collective hallucinations. I don't know if there are many examples showing our side using the same phrase. I would be interested in seeing how that would manifest, considering that the libtarded mind is perhaps the most detached of all. To even exist in such a state, without sacrificing all reason, requires an daily elaborate practice of mental gymnastics and intentional myopia, all to trudge through American life. For those that aren't cattle, such a life involves being mentally cloistered; it requires self-punishment and remorse. Such people are not arbiters of reality.

The conservative rendition of touching grass is going to church with retarded old people, socialising with the blundering masses who would happily see you imprisoned and raising goyspawn with a pigwife far away from cities/politics. This really is what distinguishes Amarnites.

I like to walk in the woods and heathland and think about the long poem I'm working on, it's very hard to imagine a Chapofag doing so or really having anything to do with nature so it's probably not that they're refering to.
In fact, when they themselves 'touch grass' and socialise with others in the real world, one can imagine them speaking only about things they've seen online by eccentric people far more interesting than they.
Chapofags love nothing more than being the middleman between normies and online 'incels', whereby they will explain the latter with no shortage of ridicule in hopes to distance themselves from them to little degree of success - perhaps a pat on the back from the cool nigger.

Something we saw in Anthony's schooling of that schooling thread was that when they became too flustered to respond intelligently they would jibe at him being 'unsuccessful' within their sterile metric of success he was arguing against. If such a definition had merit then 90% of the population would be considered successful... what has that produced?

There's no one in my irl surroundings I find interesting, I give courtesy to co-workers and my family though little more. I wouldn't have it otherwise however, bright young men have always been alienated and always will be. Can you image how awful living before the internet was? The frustrating part is how often normiedom sentiment bleeds into spheres belonging to us outcasts, rearing its head whenever discontent or change is broached. You just want to grab their face, scream, then smack them left to right.
#7
JohnTrent Wrote:The definition of touch grass, as I understand it, means nothing else than "step back into reality for a change". What this actually suggests to the reader depends on how they even interpret pedestrian reality to begin with.  
I always interpreted as not being a neurotic freak. It’s about having a cool head.

Oldblood Wrote:I like to walk in the woods and heathland and think about the long poem I'm working on…

In speaking of the Poetic Principle…. By “minor poems” I mean, of course, poems of little length. And here, in the beginning, permit me to say a few words in regard to a somewhat peculiar principle, which, whether rightfully or wrongfully, has always had its influence in my own critical estimate of the poem. I hold that a long poem does not exist. I maintain that the phrase, “a long poem,” is simply a flat contradiction in terms. 

“I need scarcely observe that a poem deserves its title only inasmuch as it excites, by elevating the soul. The value of the poem is in the ratio of this elevating excitement. But all excitements are, through a psychal necessity, transient. That degree of excitement which would entitle a poem to be so called at all, cannot be sustained throughout a composition of any great length. After the lapse of half an hour, at the very utmost, it flags — fails — a revulsion ensues — and then the poem is, in effect, and in fact, no longer such.” —Edger Allen Poe’s The Poetic Principle

I recommend reading the whole essay to understand the point. I posted the first part to pique your interests if you haven’t read it already. Also, I’m not trying to be faggy with some kind of shaniqua sassiness. “Umm, actually Edger Allen Poe wrote this essay like forever ago so umm your retarded.”
#8
Oldblood Wrote:If such a definition had merit then 90% of the population would be considered successful... what has that produced?

Glad someone else subscribes to what I find to be the heart of the matter. The proverbial sore thumb that always sticks out to me when this topic comes up is firstly on a deeper level one can ask what grass is there to touch? As discussed by others here and some of the most well regarded minds ours is a time of social dissolution &  arbitrary misrule. But there is a another aspect too-With almost all barriers, assumptions and distinctions sanded out by the revolutions that have quaked the globe most being in the name of humanity, what is left what does the common man jump towards now he is "free?"

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Have you noticed how every defense of what walks through our streets is something cloaked in a decades old nostalgia dream figure? usually of course because everything that walks nowadays often takes such a skin job. I only see rarely someone honest enough to defend this picture and its kin usually by trying to label it something else, "false consciousness"(More invoking of the dead). All as more and more questions pile on to be talked around instead of answered or examined "Why are NEETs becoming a thing?" "Why do so many now prefer buzzing on the Net instead of face to face talk?" "Why do people who aren't NEETs chose to be alone anyway and why is this cascading across society?" "Why do I the questioner talk about normalcy when I myself act offline and online as a grotesque parody of a human being who speaks in the lingo of a basement dweller anon from 2015 4chan?" and so on.
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#9
anthony Wrote:We can't all find interesting things to do outside though, I sympathise.



This is why "touch grass" in the normie meaning sounds so absolutely ridiculous. I understand their meaning to be socializing with other people to bear witness and act as collective moderators. What does western culture offer for amusement that's worthwhile to anyone that isn't a retard or brown? If you live in a place with institutions that exist to showcase the rich history of the west you can at least find inspiration in museums, art, architecture, etc. If you're in Europe this may be easy and normal but much of America is and always has been a cultural wasteland. At best you can find some amusement in historically significant places but in my experience they're rather underwhelming. Most amusement is aimed at appealing to retarded boomers and is always accompanied by a gift shop, ice cream and fried foods.



Yamaneko Butai Wrote:...is your "monastery" just a lolicon gooncave? Will you be able to say you left something of importance behind? If so, I suppose there's nothing wrong with NEET monasticism. But it must at least be something on the order of "The Collected notes of Anon on 17th c. European tea culture"...



This may be a bit unfair, but if someone is already choosing to live like this I doubt they can produce anything of note. School, women, libtards and normalfaggots have the ability to break down the potential of men but their peak potential varies greatly. I have been witnessing NEET's remorse quite a bit since 2021. Largely seems to be people who have little self control and likely don't have many interests. Many of these people just need to be distracted because they have very little direction and don't appear very smart. This guy is a normalfag. He just doesn't realize it.



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Oldblood Wrote:The conservative rendition of touching grass is going to church with retarded old people, socialising with the blundering masses who would happily see you imprisoned and raising goyspawn with a pigwife far away from cities/politics. This really is what distinguishes Amarnites...

...The frustrating part is how often normiedom sentiment bleeds into spheres belonging to us outcasts, rearing its head whenever discontent or change is broached. You just want to grab their face, scream, then smack them left to right.


How much of it is bleeding in and how much is the blood? How many people who participate in "rw spheres" feel alienation rather than loneliness? I think this is a good indication of who is an outcast and who is a failed normie. Every single person preaching and scolding over "trad values" almost always falls into the latter.




Guest Wrote:I always interpreted as not being a neurotic freak. It’s about having a cool head.


Close. It's about having a cool (nigger in your) head.




NuclearAbsolutist Wrote:Glad someone else subscribes to what I find to be the heart of the matter. The proverbial sore thumb that always sticks out to me when this topic comes up is firstly on a deeper level one can ask what grass is there to touch? As discussed by others here and some of the most well regarded minds ours is a time of social dissolution &  arbitrary misrule. But there is a another aspect too-With almost all barriers, assumptions and distinctions sanded out by the revolutions that have quaked the globe most being in the name of humanity, what is left what does the common man jump towards now he is "free?"

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Have you noticed how every defense of what walks through our streets is something cloaked in a decades old nostalgia dream figure? usually of course because everything that walks nowadays often takes such a skin job. I only see rarely someone honest enough to defend this picture and its kin usually by trying to label it something else, "false consciousness"(More invoking of the dead). All as more and more questions pile on to be talked around instead of answered or examined "Why are NEETs becoming a thing?" "Why do so many now prefer buzzing on the Net instead of face to face talk?" "Why do people who aren't NEETs chose to be alone anyway and why is this cascading across society?" "Why do I the questioner talk about normalcy when I myself act offline and online as a grotesque parody of a human being who speaks in the lingo of a basement dweller anon from 2015 4chan?" and so on.


Some are being insincere and others genuinely appear to be lower life forms. I recently moved to a very libtarded white city and the youth either watches the endless list of streaming service originals, vandalizes for Palestine, or goes to very shitty basement shows. Almost everybody I see is a drug-addict. These people seem very happy with how they spend their free time. I was surprised at how thin much of the population is but very few of them look healthy. Touching grass here becomes an exercise in averting your eyes to everything their ideology creates on the way to the neon rain forest themed cafe and some dressed up third worlder street food.

It seems to me that all one can take from "touch grass" is that you should consider if your current actions are meaningful to you. If you're spending your time reading and playing video games and that's something you enjoy doing and it isn't just routine behavior because you're waiting for something to happen, then I don't see anything wrong with it. I would say that if you're just jerking off to cartoons then you should probably do something else. Doing things that you enjoy isn't to be dismissed as hedonism or antisocial(extremely gay word weaponized against us). Consider what developments could come from you forcing yourself to participate in their activities. Is that appealing?
#10
Mason Hall-McCullough Wrote:I thought the original meaning of "touching grass" referred specifically to spending time in nature, but maybe that's not right and regardless it's just an ironic insult now.
That could have been the original intent. In practice, it currently seems to be nothing more than a way to call someone insane (or as the guestposter stated, not being "a neurotic freak" is the goal). Chapo types also use "chronically online" for similar purposes.

Mason Hall-McCullough Wrote:The insult aims to belittle you for not being the type of person who has reason to go outside. It's basically the same as "have sex" and used in the same way too. "Touching grass" has complex hidden prerequisites that must be met before it's worthwhile.
Yes, this is what I was getting at. Believing in the validity of the insult requires you to cede ground to them/Cool Nigger. The prerequisites aren't related to Grass at all.

Most of the reason why I'm curious about the phrase is because we are, in fact, closer to the Grass than others. We are capable of perception.

Oldblood Wrote:I like to walk in the woods and heathland and think about the long poem I'm working on, it's very hard to imagine a Chapofag doing so or really having anything to do with nature so it's probably not that they're refering to.

In fact, when they themselves 'touch grass' and socialise with others in the real world, one can imagine them speaking only about things they've seen online by eccentric people far more interesting than they.

If the life of an "Amarnite" was placed under close scrutiny versus a chapofag, who would have the more engaging inner life? The answer is obvious, and as we can see from the quote above, they are not engaging in interesting activities either (they do not involve themselves with nature). Someone on the left using this phrase is a member of mediocrity attempting to shame those who could eventually exercise influence in the world. Even if we were all just NEETs at the moment, this still is a more accurate expression of our current reality than being a fat man in a bar and having a stroke.
#11
You should probably move if you have no reason to go outside. You don’t have to be normalfag to enjoy surfing, skiing, or other hobbies. At the bare minimum there should be some forests and hills to lindywalk. You don’t HAVE TO talk to other people when you outside, but if you do, I promise that normies who have hobbies are a lot better than normies who just drink and gossip and be loud because they, ironically, are the people who don’t do anything. Not to sound like a coolniggerhead but it is depressing to hear that you guys have absolutely no reason to leave the house.
#12
Nothing good ever comes from leaving your bedroom don't fall for the ploy.
#13
BillyONare Wrote:You should probably move if you have no reason to go outside. You don’t have to be normalfag to enjoy surfing, skiing, or other hobbies. At the bare minimum there should be some forests and hills to lindywalk. [...]  Not to sound like a coolniggerhead but it is depressing to hear that you guys have absolutely no reason to leave the house.

I leave my house to go on walks frequently, I physically touch grass all the time. But I don't think that's what people really mean when they tell someone to "touch grass".
#14
Guest Wrote:I always interpreted as not being a neurotic freak. It’s about having a cool head.

A cool (nigger in your) head you say?

'Touch Grass' obviously means a lot of different things, and the reason someone is using it can change a lot. Personally I would like about 98% of the internet to go touch grass and log off and never come back online. Because it's obvious for so many of them the internet is maladaptive, they go online trying to salvage social mores from IRL and re-create them online. There was a thread by some teenager on Agora saying that these days normal people are the ones who don't do anything and spend all their time online or on apps accruing mental and social disorders. I'd believe it. For these people the internet is a way to avoid growing, they didn't end up online due to seeking people they couldn't find IRL, they just end up habitually on social media the way similar normies will just end up habitually engaging in sports betting or wasting away on terrible goyslop media. Those guys probably do need to touch grass.

As far as grass-touching for our concern goes, it's not necessarily a quick or easy solution but owning land or your own place helps a lot with this. Realistically I think the desire to leave the online bubble grows directly out of living in this world that deliberately tries to thwart and stunt men. Anybody who is self-aware can FEEL the years going by and the total inability to find dignified paths to definitive adulthood or developmental milestones. It's not perfect but for the time being owning property (depending on your state) is one of the better ways to become more responsible and well-rounded without cutting off your balls and becoming a goyslave.
#15
I always understood it as Mason describes. They're telling you to 'go get some fuggin pussy bro' because 'you're a loser incel chud' and the Coolest Nigger Alive would definitely laugh at you. But, now I'm more inclined to think that it actually bears no relation to whatever the original meaning was at all, similar to how "incel" just means that you're someone who offended a woman. "Touch grass" and "incel" and "chud" mean nothing because they no longer require a basis in the original definition to be used effectively in the eyes of the party using the term, if they ever even did. On the other hand, when I call someone a "fat disgusting libtard" my usage is proper since, statistically, the person is in fact almost certainly fat, and disgusting, and a libtard.
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#16
august Wrote:I always understood it as Mason describes. They're telling you to 'go get some fuggin pussy bro' because 'you're a loser incel chud' and the Coolest Nigger Alive would definitely laugh at you. But, now I'm more inclined to think that it actually bears no relation to whatever the original meaning was at all, similar to how "incel" just means that you're someone who offended a woman. "Touch grass" and "incel" and "chud" mean nothing because they no longer require a basis in the original definition to be used effectively in the eyes of the party using the term, if they ever even did.
Same progression of semantic nullity occurred in this thread for the cool nigger meme. It’s just a sentimental idol at this point. (Btw, you used it right.)
#17
>I don't know if there are many examples showing our side using the same phrase.

Trads use it often, although they can hardly be considered 'our' side. It's already been said that trads use it as plaster to reinforce cottage family building ideals. But I want to elaborate for a moment since I am somewhat an example of someone who could benefit from touching grass, in their sense.

To the trads and those adjacent, it's self-help advice. They see the internet as an inherent and unnecessary source of stress; their use of it is accompanied by synonymous phrases like "the internet isn't real" "hellsite" "it's all so tiring" etc, so touching grass is merely any activity that detoxifies the mind away from online affairs, whether they be e-drama (a common addictive pastime of lowbrow individuals), blackpilling news you only hear online, happenings that "don't matter", or activity associated with ziggers using their phones (doom scrolling tiktok etc, remember these are people that still mention "fried dopamine receptors".) Touching grass could, in this sense, go beyond socializing or lindy walking. Soldiers fighting and dying in Ukraine are touching grass, because their minds are preoccupied with something our subjects deem more healthy to the individual.

So touching grass is a state of mind, and one can do it while still being online regularly; and one can also be "terminally online" despite living an outside life... I am certainly an example of the latter, having a zogjob. I socialize, have acquaintances, go outside regularly, and yet my mind is still entirely preoccupied with online affairs. In fact I would say the closer I get to "normality", the more my tether holding me to the internet becomes strained, causing me to be even more concerned about internet affairs. For trads, this is a normal occurrence, and some feel comfortable enough to cut the tether entirely - perhaps they found something more satisfying to care about. I can't say the same however. Real life has this constant air of unease, and I feel like I would suffocate if I ever cut that tether. There are real life affairs, hobbies, people, and activities I *could* care about, but they all are so uninteresting I would have to kill a large part of who I am to fully immerse myself in it.

If these feelings are justified, and this sense of alienation should be accommodated rather than strangled as the trads often recommend, then one has to ask if there is any excess. I would say in my case there is excess, but only insofar as my time spent thinking about internet phenomena unnecessarily cuts into my time that I could invest in academic pursuits, or perhaps generic self-improvement activities, or otherwise anything else that grants more dignity and excitement to one's life. But all those things and a mind immersed into the internet can coexist, one needs only to find some mean, and trying to trying instead to integrate yourself into normie society without lobotomizing yourself sounds like such a herculean display of ascetic willpower that it would only be appealing if you wanted to cultivate perfect loneliness (kino, but not healthy.)

But nonetheless (TL;DR) this all boils down to failed judgements on the part of trads regarding the internet (unimportant, not real, neurotoxic), and real life (where power is obtained and exercised, true fulfillment is found, healthy); and that one should only "touch grass" (reduce the internet's mind real estate) if it considerably negatively impacts more important things you could be doing with your time.

Pardon the verbosity, I hope it wasn't unpleasant.

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#18
Ya'll are lame, get some bitches
#19
JohnTrent Wrote: I don't know if there are many examples showing our side using the same phrase. I would be interested in seeing how that would manifest, considering that the libtarded mind is perhaps the most detached of all.

I don't know if this could really be described as "our side" but variations of  "take your pills" and "Pills NOW!" were popular among channers a few years back. That was quickly co opted by trannies as a means to gaslight political opponents.
#20
Guest Wrote:Ya'll are lame, get some bitches
Bitches are easy, and often not worth the BPD and STDs, speaking from experience.
A genuine, sensitive-young-man dream romance? Yeah, good fucking luck.
All right, commander!!



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