Troll's Remorse

[Mladorossi88]

Also you will never be a real woman @Zed

[Zed]

Also you will never be a real woman @Zed

Trolling is only noble when the target and goals are worthwhile, but most trolling is ignoble or boring (and that is also a sin).

Ignoring the worthwhileness of (attempting) to troll me - for the love of god, at make a fucking effort at it if you're going to shit up an interesting thread.

[Handi]

Also you will never be a real woman @Zed

Trolling is only noble when the target and goals are worthwhile, but most trolling is ignoble or boring (and that is also a sin).

Ignoring the worthwhileness of (attempting) to troll me - for the love of god, at make a fucking effort at it if you're going to shit up an interesting thread.

Trannies are never an unworthy target for anything. No amount of effort is too low to justify harassing you, it's an inherently righteous act and merely doing so is its own reward. Now eat shit and die

[turnip]

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Yes, my point was about how people can move easily between neuroses. The "troll" character here formed reactively, defined by the things that it opposes, like one side of a dialectic. The other side isn't something that they spontaneously metamorphized into, it was there unconsciously from the beginning, thus their change of character comes almost naturally, like changing a mask. I think the overall phenomena of Troll's Remorse should be understood on this level. It also raises a question about the "cure" - what do we want to happen with these people? Should they turn back into trolls, or something else? 

My own troll's remorse came around when I was 17 via being friends with a certain man. He was around 31 year old Pizza driver at Dominos, and gleefully engaged in all sorts of similar shit on the internet - and off of it, including selling meth to middle schoolers. Much of it was extremely funny and amusing to me, but also disconcerting -  there were plenty of similarities between us and I questioned seriously if that was the person I wanted to become.

While noble kindness is certainly a more dignified aspiration than what you were before, I can't help but get the impression that this simply emerged out of the shadow of your previous persona (sadistic cruelty), especially considering how it now seems to be serving as a kind of ideal one-sided image of perfection for you. There is obviously a lot more going on with you as well, so I don't claim to be in a position to psychoanalyze you, but your own descriptions seem to indicate that you still struggle with a kind of bad conscience regarding your desires, as if they are tied into an awkward contradictory knot. 

In my view the goal is individuation, which means avoiding capture in these neurotic dialectics. Refinement of desire is a process that leads naturally towards idiosyncrasy, not quite to a predetermined "type" of character. I also revere noble kindness, but when it is a true emanation of one's natural desire (rather than self-conscious moralism) it isn't going to lead to a one-sided type of character. Pure, divine love can in fact naturally lead to its own kind of wrath.

[Zed]

While noble kindness is certainly a more dignified aspiration than what you were before, I can't help but get the impression that this simply emerged out of the shadow of your previous persona (sadistic cruelty), especially considering how it now seems to be serving as a kind of ideal one-sided image of perfection for you. There is obviously a lot more going on with you as well, so I don't claim to be in a position to psychoanalyze you, but your own descriptions seem to indicate that you still struggle with a kind of bad conscience regarding your desires, as if they are tied into an awkward contradictory knot. 

In my view the goal is individuation, which means avoiding capture in these neurotic dialectics. Refinement of desire is a process that leads naturally towards idiosyncrasy, not quite to a predetermined "type" of character. I also revere noble kindness, but when it is a true emanation of one's natural desire (rather than self-conscious moralism) it isn't going to lead to a one-sided type of character. Pure, divine love can in fact naturally lead to its own kind of wrath.

First, as to your psychoanalysis, it would have been extremely accurate a decade or so ago - and that was the period I tried to relive when I was writing that post. I don't have acute troll's remorse anymore, so I necessarily have to reach back a bit to remember how I experienced it. Which is not to say my perspective today is different, just that it is now quite a bit removed from me. It is not something I actively think about.

As your remarks on individuation and your prescription, they are well put and I agree entirely. I'd clarify that my position isn't that certain desires must be suppressed or purged, only the pathologies of the soul that lead to compulsive responses. Sadism is not strictly speaking a bad thing, but allowing yourself to be governed by it unconsciously is. The only difficulty about individuation is that it fundamentally is an inner experience that individuals either will experience - or they will not. In that sense, I'm rather skeptical that there is a solution to troll's remorse beyond some inherent thoughtfulness and the isolation/space necessary for reflection. Some people will move past it; others will not.

[Guest]

I have never felt remorse. Trolling is not sadism. Sadism itself is exceedingly rare. What did these trolls do? Write posts? In the extreme cases, SWAT-ing.

Hanging out with meth dealers who sell to children has nothing to do with trolling, it is simply someone who has very poor taste in all things. It is a different type of life. Going back to sadism, it is not sadistic to wish to remove different forms of life from your proximity. In fact, this is natural. This can be applied to the immigration debate etc. Are people who want borders that are enforced sadists? No. Did many of them troll, or do many of them troll, along this same subject? Yes. It is a way for a person to express their simple desire for the space they occupy. It is not pointless, as it is in fact, this expression that lends to the organization of life "spontaneously" in the human organism.

Much trolling is simply this. Little of it has to do with sadism. But I suppose some types of life do enjoy navel-gazing. There is a constant "I was this!" "I had this!" which one can find repeated often enough. "Look, I am on the cross! How noble I am now, in my filth, for confessing to you." Etc.

[Guest]

Trolling is obviously synergistic with sadism. The other aspect is a love of cunning. I love cunning! The constraints that lead to a primary online manifestation are not being 6 foot 5, or being fat, or autistic cooperation mindset with rules IRL. How would you implement "trolling" if you did it IRL?

There is an established confusion over the "troll" part of troll's remorse in this thread. The critique "hey 2016 memewarriors were just doing it for the, uh, not for the lulz, the total surrender of the ZOG to guerilla forces actually" is a slight addition in that it reminds us that the remorse phenomenon can occur in people who are not at all sadistic. It slightly obscures that the phenomenon occurs widely outside of any type of troller. This calls back to guest posts highlighting the general nature of the remorse in socializing pressure.

[Guest]

So I've been posting online for years and I remembered this forum existed, and since I know more than a thing or two about troll's remorse given who I used to hang around online, I might as well post a few things about trolls remorse that I have personally seen. By trolls in this context, I'm referring to everyone from diehard KF/ED posters, to e-celebs who are essentially shock jocks/aging punk rockers who issue groveling apologies for being funny and slowly wither into irrelevance.

First of all, I never exactly like to call it troll's remorse as it's not actual remorse. I prefer to compare troll's remorse to some pissed off kid on Halo Custom Edition or some other PC game of the time smashing the Team Change button because his team is losing. If the server didn't have a balancing script enabled, you would find one team would have 10 people and the other had 6 people, in a server with 16 people because some kids were mad. It's the same thing here for a good reason.

The #1 cause of troll's remorse I see is someone wants to be with a different group online, and one that is angry at the meanie internet trolls (either literally or performatively). Sometimes it happens because of IRL circumstances like shitty parenting, or living conditions. Sometimes it's because someone went to college to be surrounded by extreme amounts of brainwashing. Sometimes it's because you're iDubbz, you're a cuck, and you married an egirl/fat wife. This can also be because said person feels lonely, depressed, and isolated from people online and sees the people he trolled as having fun online. Either way, as part of being in this new circle you have to openly shit on your past and interests.

Another factor is that a lot of people online drift from circle to circle, wanting to be seen and noticed. You could call this e-celeb syndrome, as seen in the lives of IRL streamers or Baked Alaska in particular. Baked went all over the place persona wise from failed white rapper, to BuzzFeed writer, to anti-SJW journalist who was present at Charlottesville (literally 9/11 for the Twitter left before J6), to IRL streamer trying to find fame and views somewhere. You could say the same about internet "content creators" trying to chase where the money is at. But the reason I mention this is that the same applies with a lot of people online who want to be e-famous or get noticed yet lack any sort of personality or interest anchoring them somewhere. This is also why trolls sometimes end up in the very groups they used to shit on online, they want to "belong" somewhere and they see more belonging in the groups they used to call faggots online instead of on dying imageboards or abrasive forums.

Internet trolls aren't exactly known for having a community and very much so will turn on each other on a dime over purity spirals as well, to the point ED even had a term for it called "trollshielding". While the term was for when someone who was a part of "alt" internet communities would weasel their way into trolls to try to avoid being mocked online, oftentimes it also wasn't uncommon for a big internet troll to be unmasked as being into the very thing he or others in his circle mocked. It's not uncommon to hear trolling group stories from back in the day where a diehard troll would get outed as a furry with some crazy fetishes. In fact the "A-log" term from the Chris Chan trolling community and it's offshoots referred to a specific person who did such a thing. This always inevitably happens because in a lot of cases online "trolls" or shitposters aren't gigachads but rather autists pretending really hard to be normies or the jocks at school, or trying to piss off as many people as possible just for the thrill of it. This makes them vulnerable to targeted propaganda from trannies and the like who openly get a thrill out of this. With edgy internet comedians this is less of a problem and more of the "trying to fit in with people who hate you for being funny" issue, as getting outed as being a flaming autist with crazy fetishes doesn't seem to do much these days.

Of course, the truth is someone who used to tell people to kill themselves and who doxed people back in the day isn't going to stop now that he has pronouns and LGBT/Ukraine flags in his bio. It just means that he's turned his target of hate towards safe targets (see the cDc which included Beto O'Rourke, Kirtaner, the boomers who ran "TRUMP BAD" covers on every 2600 Magazine nobody bought at Micro Center, washed up punk rockers like Henry Rollins, and more.) In fact, it's literally the same exact behavior as washed up hackers and punk rockers, I have seen trannies bitch and moan about how they used to be mean trolls with "internalized transphobia" only to whine 5 minutes later about being banned for telling transphobes to die or getting into the same kinds of drama he did before he chose his stripper name.

IMO, the best way to fight troll's remorse is to give people a reason to give a shit about your community, reminding people what the other side is really like outside the facade, and to not try to gain the acceptance of people who will laugh at you behind closed doors or in hidden Discord channels. But most importantly, don't let the rot seep in. Essentially, you have to make your community/scene as unwelcome for these people as possible so they don't even think about joining. Even then, the effectiveness of this has yet to be seen in reality.