Troll's Remorse

[Mladorossi88]

Also you will never be a real woman @Zed

[Zed]

Also you will never be a real woman @Zed

Trolling is only noble when the target and goals are worthwhile, but most trolling is ignoble or boring (and that is also a sin).

Ignoring the worthwhileness of (attempting) to troll me - for the love of god, at make a fucking effort at it if you're going to shit up an interesting thread.

[Handi]

Also you will never be a real woman @Zed

Trolling is only noble when the target and goals are worthwhile, but most trolling is ignoble or boring (and that is also a sin).

Ignoring the worthwhileness of (attempting) to troll me - for the love of god, at make a fucking effort at it if you're going to shit up an interesting thread.

Trannies are never an unworthy target for anything. No amount of effort is too low to justify harassing you, it's an inherently righteous act and merely doing so is its own reward. Now eat shit and die

[turnip]

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Yes, my point was about how people can move easily between neuroses. The "troll" character here formed reactively, defined by the things that it opposes, like one side of a dialectic. The other side isn't something that they spontaneously metamorphized into, it was there unconsciously from the beginning, thus their change of character comes almost naturally, like changing a mask. I think the overall phenomena of Troll's Remorse should be understood on this level. It also raises a question about the "cure" - what do we want to happen with these people? Should they turn back into trolls, or something else? 

My own troll's remorse came around when I was 17 via being friends with a certain man. He was around 31 year old Pizza driver at Dominos, and gleefully engaged in all sorts of similar shit on the internet - and off of it, including selling meth to middle schoolers. Much of it was extremely funny and amusing to me, but also disconcerting -  there were plenty of similarities between us and I questioned seriously if that was the person I wanted to become.

While noble kindness is certainly a more dignified aspiration than what you were before, I can't help but get the impression that this simply emerged out of the shadow of your previous persona (sadistic cruelty), especially considering how it now seems to be serving as a kind of ideal one-sided image of perfection for you. There is obviously a lot more going on with you as well, so I don't claim to be in a position to psychoanalyze you, but your own descriptions seem to indicate that you still struggle with a kind of bad conscience regarding your desires, as if they are tied into an awkward contradictory knot. 

In my view the goal is individuation, which means avoiding capture in these neurotic dialectics. Refinement of desire is a process that leads naturally towards idiosyncrasy, not quite to a predetermined "type" of character. I also revere noble kindness, but when it is a true emanation of one's natural desire (rather than self-conscious moralism) it isn't going to lead to a one-sided type of character. Pure, divine love can in fact naturally lead to its own kind of wrath.

[Zed]

While noble kindness is certainly a more dignified aspiration than what you were before, I can't help but get the impression that this simply emerged out of the shadow of your previous persona (sadistic cruelty), especially considering how it now seems to be serving as a kind of ideal one-sided image of perfection for you. There is obviously a lot more going on with you as well, so I don't claim to be in a position to psychoanalyze you, but your own descriptions seem to indicate that you still struggle with a kind of bad conscience regarding your desires, as if they are tied into an awkward contradictory knot. 

In my view the goal is individuation, which means avoiding capture in these neurotic dialectics. Refinement of desire is a process that leads naturally towards idiosyncrasy, not quite to a predetermined "type" of character. I also revere noble kindness, but when it is a true emanation of one's natural desire (rather than self-conscious moralism) it isn't going to lead to a one-sided type of character. Pure, divine love can in fact naturally lead to its own kind of wrath.

First, as to your psychoanalysis, it would have been extremely accurate a decade or so ago - and that was the period I tried to relive when I was writing that post. I don't have acute troll's remorse anymore, so I necessarily have to reach back a bit to remember how I experienced it. Which is not to say my perspective today is different, just that it is now quite a bit removed from me. It is not something I actively think about.

As your remarks on individuation and your prescription, they are well put and I agree entirely. I'd clarify that my position isn't that certain desires must be suppressed or purged, only the pathologies of the soul that lead to compulsive responses. Sadism is not strictly speaking a bad thing, but allowing yourself to be governed by it unconsciously is. The only difficulty about individuation is that it fundamentally is an inner experience that individuals either will experience - or they will not. In that sense, I'm rather skeptical that there is a solution to troll's remorse beyond some inherent thoughtfulness and the isolation/space necessary for reflection. Some people will move past it; others will not.

[Guest]

I have never felt remorse. Trolling is not sadism. Sadism itself is exceedingly rare. What did these trolls do? Write posts? In the extreme cases, SWAT-ing.

Hanging out with meth dealers who sell to children has nothing to do with trolling, it is simply someone who has very poor taste in all things. It is a different type of life. Going back to sadism, it is not sadistic to wish to remove different forms of life from your proximity. In fact, this is natural. This can be applied to the immigration debate etc. Are people who want borders that are enforced sadists? No. Did many of them troll, or do many of them troll, along this same subject? Yes. It is a way for a person to express their simple desire for the space they occupy. It is not pointless, as it is in fact, this expression that lends to the organization of life "spontaneously" in the human organism.

Much trolling is simply this. Little of it has to do with sadism. But I suppose some types of life do enjoy navel-gazing. There is a constant "I was this!" "I had this!" which one can find repeated often enough. "Look, I am on the cross! How noble I am now, in my filth, for confessing to you." Etc.

[Guest]

Trolling is obviously synergistic with sadism. The other aspect is a love of cunning. I love cunning! The constraints that lead to a primary online manifestation are not being 6 foot 5, or being fat, or autistic cooperation mindset with rules IRL. How would you implement "trolling" if you did it IRL?

There is an established confusion over the "troll" part of troll's remorse in this thread. The critique "hey 2016 memewarriors were just doing it for the, uh, not for the lulz, the total surrender of the ZOG to guerilla forces actually" is a slight addition in that it reminds us that the remorse phenomenon can occur in people who are not at all sadistic. It slightly obscures that the phenomenon occurs widely outside of any type of troller. This calls back to guest posts highlighting the general nature of the remorse in socializing pressure.