Twatter Drama Megathread
Mason Hall-McCullough Wrote:
august Wrote:It's not easy to have discussions with you. Remember the only question that I asked you... 

august Wrote:Basically, since you've already said that this is the only sensible answer to the Female Question, tell me how you plan to Make Women Property Again

All I wanted was for you to tell me how you intend to give husband legal ownership, superiority, whatever you want to call it, over his wife. Thousands of words later and all I've got from you is harping on how men are actually responsible for women being sluts (reminder: they always have been, always will be) and one or two lines about getting rid of no-fault divorce. How though? Oh, the grand solution of men becoming Prohibitionist Era feminists that go on a sex strike until women come to their senses and willingly return to subjugated domesticity (good luck... this is Very Serious Thinking). 

I've answered your question directly and you admit as much later in this paragraph, so I don't know why you're suggesting I'm dodging it. We should Make Women Property Again one step at a time, starting by creating a counterculture that opposes casual sex. It's not a simple fix, but this seems to me like the right direction to walk in, as opposed to promoting sexual immorality which empowers women further. I don't think it's fair to characterize this as a sex strike, when it's just returning to a particular norm that we used to have.

If you have some other plan for how we will tame women (that is definitely more serious and probable than what I have proposed), I'd like to hear how it benefits from enabling whore behavior. Even if you want to usher in the Fourth Reich, I see only downside to fucking random women as part of this plan, or really in any plan that aims to achieve anything beyond being as degenerate and hedonistic as possible. We could do what BAP wants and (supposedly) strive towards a White supremacist ancap nation by "annihilating everything that exists" (?), except encourage marrying women instead of pumping and dumping them, and this alteration would be a strict upgrade.
Both preaching sexual morality and sexual immorality are counterproductive because they elevate sex to an importance it does not deserve. If your political/cultural movement spends too much time either promoting or inveighing against casual sex to an audience of young men it's tacitly communicating that it lacks real ambition.
obscurefish Wrote:Both preaching sexual morality and sexual immorality are counterproductive because they elevate sex to an importance it does not deserve. If your political/cultural movement spends too much time either promoting or inveighing against casual sex to an audience of young men it's tacitly communicating that it lacks real ambition.

I disagree, sex has always been a primary motivator of man's actions since... the beginning of man. There's a reason almost every culture independently arrived at patriarchal marriage norms in isolation. That these norms have eroded in the West as of late should be very concerning. Allocating sex (or allowing it to allocate itself) to produce prosocial and eugenic outcomes is of critical importance. Though, it is worth noting that casual sex usually does not produce offspring so it doesn't matter in that direct sense, but a culture of sexual promiscuity damages the organization of actual reproductive sex which does matter a lot.

Before anyone mentions Ancient Greece and Rome I would like to state that I am not well versed on this topic but I believe the gay degenerate stuff to be mostly fake history exaggerated by libtard historians.
Mason Hall-McCullough Wrote:
obscurefish Wrote:Both preaching sexual morality and sexual immorality are counterproductive because they elevate sex to an importance it does not deserve. If your political/cultural movement spends too much time either promoting or inveighing against casual sex to an audience of young men it's tacitly communicating that it lacks real ambition.

I disagree, sex has always been a primary motivator of man's actions since... the beginning of man. There's a reason almost every culture independently arrived at patriarchal marriage norms in isolation. That these norms have eroded in the West as of late should be very concerning. Allocating sex (or allowing it to allocate itself) to produce prosocial and eugenic outcomes is of critical importance. Though, it is worth noting that casual sex usually does not produce offspring so it doesn't matter in that direct sense, but a culture of sexual promiscuity damages the organization of actual reproductive sex which does matter a lot.

Before anyone mentions Ancient Greece and Rome I would like to state that I am not well versed on this topic but I believe the gay degenerate stuff to be mostly fake history exaggerated by libtard historians.
All of this concerns society and not the individual. You can't inspire purely by preaching about avoiding something (casual sex) because avoiding something isn't an end in itself. People who aren't addicted to heroin don't have "not using heroin" as a goal.

Neither does this address the issue of how to disentangle the pursuit of casual sex from reproductive sex. If you're a guy, then that choice is not in your hands because women make the final decision to use abortion and contraception or not.
I think I see your point, maybe in messaging it is important to stress that reinstitution of true marriage is the ultimate goal, with a reduction in promiscuity as an instrumental goal that helps to achieve this. But I still think these instrumental goals are worth preaching directly so long as the ultimate political vision is made clear; good luck trying to help someone with their heroin addiction without at some point telling them to stop using heroin.
Everything that you're saying now is either repetition or meaningless. There is no "messaging" or "political vision" needed for the "reinstitution of true marriage" beyond one simple sentence: Man must have dominion over his wife. Reducing promiscuity is the effect of this, not the cause. Even this is at most a tertiary goal and very likely to occur naturally once you accomplish the more important ones.

If you think that even self-proclaimed "trads" and "conservatives" won't be absolutely disgusted and offended by this once you tell them, I can give you my personal promise they will be. Women today are selling themselves as biological incubators for faggots to adopt male babies and they genuinely believe that they're doing something amazing. Continuing this is retarded because it's a conversation with someone who's out to lunch.
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