Twatter Drama Megathread

[a system is failing]

It's actually so funny. Superior people don't need entire all of these intricate articles and bloated books in order to establish their superiority.

I don't know who the oft-invoked Sorkin is, but it seems to me always it comes back to what is characterized as Sorkin. This is what many here call a "totem": superior people are supposed to just lie quietly in wait for someone to recognize them, and never change this behavior no matter what is going on in their environment. A distinctly retarded and unsuperior dogmatic mindset, but for you this serves as an event horizon in your imagination. And that's being chartiable and just granting you the completely inaccurate picture you've painted.

How about this one: serious political movements don't need all of these spambots loudly proclaiming the seriousness of their political movement from guest posts on obscure forums.

[anthony]

It's actually so funny. Superior people don't need entire all of these intricate articles and bloated books in order to establish their superiority. It's like Tate prancing around calling himself an alpha male. Why are you telling people you are superior? You want them to come groveling at your feet for forgiveness, or are you just some larping halfwit trying to get a grift going? "Here's why working class people trying to do well for themselves is actually hecking bad." If you adore meritocracy so much go tell it to your local billionaire and try to get buddy buddy with him.

This almost works as a repetition of what I said from the other side. Right to rule should come from demonstrated superiority, not posturing. Most articles and books are intellectual posturing, but the truly superior do need to write real ones. Both because when you actually have a mind you'll go insane without mental exercise, and because the situation as it stands is intolerable and we must have our say and search for our own kind.

How does a superior person establish their won superiority in your thinking? I'm just curious. My own approach is different. That establishing gestures are largely a poser's instinct, and that true superiority is mostly lived and acted upon. But, while it's not a need, there are times when establishing superiority can be worth doing as a means, not an end. Maybe a superior person doesn't want to live in global Brazil. Maybe a superior person wants to disrupt this process disrupting rotten intellectual and cultural hegemony. Then, some kind of showy gesture to establish superiority is called for. This is how you get the billionaire's attention. Among other things.

[Guest]

It's actually so funny. Superior people don't need entire all of these intricate articles and bloated books in order to establish their superiority.

I don't know who the oft-invoked Sorkin is, but it seems to me always it comes back to what is characterized as Sorkin. For you this is what many here call a "totem": superior people are supposed to just lie quietly in wait for someone to recognize them, and never change this behavior no matter what is going on in their environment. A distinctly retarded and unsuperior dogmatic mindset, but for you this serves as an event horizon in your imagination. And that's being chartiable and just granting you the completely inaccurate picture you've painted.

How about this one: serious political movements don't need all of these spambots loudly proclaiming the seriousness of their political movement from guest posts on obscure forums.

Correct. There is nothing I can say to you to prove the seriousness of any movement or belief I support. It is on you to allow yourself to be manipulated and swayed. And whether you are or aren't, the "seriousness" of the subject matter is ultimately unaffected. But you guys will hold up BAP's posts as proof of him "reaching hearts and minds". It's a joke, no?

[a system is failing]

But you guys will hold up BAP's posts as proof of him "reaching hearts and minds". It's a joke, no?

I don't understand your reasoning here. This is just an objective fact and is also true of Nick and thus cannot be a reasonable grounds for animosity between them. The people spreading these rumors try to beat around this bush because a direct accusation would be laughed off, but they are trying to essentially claim BAPs work has or is going to have a negative intellectual influence on the right, when this is not true and in fact much truer of Ye and AF.

[Guest]

It's actually so funny. Superior people don't need entire all of these intricate articles and bloated books in order to establish their superiority. It's like Tate prancing around calling himself an alpha male. Why are you telling people you are superior? You want them to come groveling at your feet for forgiveness, or are you just some larping halfwit trying to get a grift going? "Here's why working class people trying to do well for themselves is actually hecking bad." If you adore meritocracy so much go tell it to your local billionaire and try to get buddy buddy with him.

This almost works as a repetition of what I said from the other side. Right to rule should come from demonstrated superiority, not posturing. Most articles and books are intellectual posturing, but the truly superior do need to write real ones. Both because when you actually have a mind you'll go insane without mental exercise, and because the situation as it stands is intolerable and we must have our say and search for our own kind.

How does a superior person establish their won superiority in your thinking? I'm just curious. My own approach is different. That establishing gestures are largely a poser's instinct, and that true superiority is mostly lived and acted upon. But, while it's not a need, there are times when establishing superiority can be worth doing as a means, not an end. Maybe a superior person doesn't want to live in global Brazil. Maybe a superior person wants to disrupt this process disrupting rotten intellectual and cultural hegemony. Then, some kind of showy gesture to establish superiority is called for. This is how you get the billionaire's attention. Among other things.

I don't necessarily disagree. Wouldn't a superior thinker inevitably come to contemplate his own superiority? But you are correct that it needs to be demonstrations rather than declarations. I'm actually fond of literature. For a time I believed that BAM had actually been a functional demonstration and that it had attracted elite individuals. It's weird how you seem to be either exactly on point, or entirely off track with your takes. When choosing a leader, you go after who has demonstrated sufficient capability. I really think Fuentes has that capability, especially compared to any other dissident talking head. But you have this picture of him in which he's this Internet clown with no original ideas. I wonder where you got that idea.

[anthony]

I don't necessarily disagree. Wouldn't a superior thinker inevitably come to contemplate his own superiority? But you are correct that it needs to be demonstrations rather than declarations. I'm actually fond of literature. For a time I believed that BAM had actually been a functional demonstration and that it had attracted elite individuals. It's weird how you seem to be either exactly on point, or entirely off track with your takes. When choosing a leader, you go after who has demonstrated sufficient capability. I really think Fuentes has that capability, especially compared to any other dissident talking head. But you have this picture of him in which he's this Internet clown with no original ideas. I wonder where you got that idea.

When did I mention a leader?

I don't think we're at that point yet. I'm still interested in sifting for and cultivating quality. BAP's value is not as a leader (of what? serious question) in my eyes. It's a source of energy and focus. He got people thinking and looking. Thanks to his work and its fallout certain quality people have a better chance of finding both each other and themselves. This is the kind of work I believe in. I think it's what we can all do right now to have real results today. And I think if you're really quality you should want to. You should be doing it effortlessly all the time. Again, as I said recently in this thread, Amarna1 was created to host the things I was already doing. People were made aware and joined in. I like to think several people got something out of using the place. And through it I know for sure that I met many quality people. To me that's real good work and real good results. Maybe even something that can play into big-P Politics one day. But that's not the point and never has been.

And as for Fuentes. He's not a leader to me because he doesn't even pass the sifting stage. I don't like him. He is obviously not my kind. His internet is a different one even if occasionally we use a few of the same words. He is not a cool, different, thoughtful person. He is a televangelist.

[Guest]

He is not a cool, different, thoughtful person. He is a televangelist.

I didn't like Nick either. I thought I was too advanced to waste my time giving any mind to this obvious lukewarm-take christcuck. But as time went on nothing held my attention anymore. It's not like Nietzsche can write more, and hearing grifters constantly trying to spin off of him or newfags taking their baby steps is just incredibly dull. When I went back to watching Nick's show it was amazing. You're not just hearing some lukewarm ostensibly right wing talking points, you're hearing from a man who has his own entire worldview he built for himself despite the efforts of so many powers to silence him. He went through a special kind of hell, call it a nigger tier notion of street cred if you want but he offers an insight that is found literally nowhere else. The biggest turn off of christcucks is that you hear one and you've heard them all. Like a machine designed to spit out phrases instead of a human being thinking critically. Nick is nothing like that, he clearly doesn't bend to social norms and he doesn't even bend to popular sentiment in his own faction. So I tune in every night I can because I know that I'm not only going to be entertained, but I'm going to learn something. Something this man had to learn by personal experience, because theorizing and chronicling is empty and derivative. I hated Christians because this was the exact emptiness I saw in their religion, but Nick brings Christianity to life and gives it spiritual character. There would be no Christian Futurism without Nick Fuentes. That's remarkable. There would still be Nietzshceanism, the DR, RWBB, history obsessed nerds without BAP. Bringing real change into this world is a magical concept to me, that is my idea of Power. If your idea of power is discussing anime waifus with schizophrenic pseuds, it's no wonder you're stuck in this powerless state.

[anthony]

He is not a cool, different, thoughtful person. He is a televangelist.

I didn't like Nick either. I thought I was too advanced to waste my time giving any mind to this obvious lukewarm-take christcuck. But as time went on nothing held my attention anymore. It's not like Nietzsche can write more, and hearing grifters constantly trying to spin off of him or newfags taking their baby steps is just incredibly dull. When I went back to watching Nick's show it was amazing. You're not just hearing some lukewarm ostensibly right wing talking points, you're hearing from a man who has his own entire worldview he built for himself despite the efforts of so many powers to silence him. He went through a special kind of hell, call it a nigger tier notion of street cred if you want but he offers an insight that is found literally nowhere else. The biggest turn off of christcucks is that you hear one and you've heard them all. Like a machine designed to spit out phrases instead of a human being thinking critically. Nick is nothing like that, he clearly doesn't bend to social norms and he doesn't even bend to popular sentiment in his own faction. So I tune in every night I can because I know that I'm not only going to be entertained, but I'm going to learn something. Something this man had to learn by personal experience, because theorizing and chronicling is empty and derivative. I hated Christians because this was the exact emptiness I saw in their religion, but Nick brings Christianity to life and gives it spiritual character. There would be no Christian Futurism without Nick Fuentes. That's remarkable. There would still be Nietzshceanism, the DR, RWBB, history obsessed nerds without BAP. Bringing real change into this world is a magical concept to me, that is my idea of Power. If your idea of power is discussing anime waifus with schizophrenic pseuds, it's no wonder you're stuck in this powerless state.

The way you started this is very typical of our Guest posts.

"I didn't like Nick either..."



You're write like you're expecting to be able to lean on prestige which you haven't earned and have no reason to reasonably expect here. This is a personal testimony. Your own experiences obviously matter to you. But why should they to me? You can write like a wise Kevin Costner character who after a wild and misspent youth has had his come to Jesus moment, but you're no great writer, and being a Guest your personal presence starts at zero every time you start typing. If you want to talk from zero you have to sell. Prestige tactics work if we're already sold. But we don't know you.

What good is a personal testimony from nobody? What are we supposed to make of this highly emotional spew? Yes, you have clearly been reached. But most people have so little going on that reaching them doesn't mean very much. You sound like a weak-willed mess. Typical cult-fodder.

[Guest]

Astute.

[Svevlad]

When an actual leader emerges, everyone will flock. Will it be someone completely unknown, or someone from here or the adjacent Twitter "sphere" who "grows into" the role (seeing that most of us are young, and therefore with a lot of time), or maybe even BAP himself becoming one. Heck, it could even be someone completely unexpected, like Musk suddenly going full 1488.

What I want to say, when an actual *leader* emerges, you will know. Everyone will.

[JohnnyRomero]

When an actual leader emerges, everyone will flock. Will it be someone completely unknown, or someone from here or the adjacent Twitter "sphere" who "grows into" the role (seeing that most of us are young, and therefore with a lot of time), or maybe even BAP himself becoming one. Heck, it could even be someone completely unexpected, like Musk suddenly going full 1488.

What I want to say, when an actual *leader* emerges, you will know. Everyone will.

An excellent point with which I absolutely agree. When our Leader arrives, everyone will indeed know. There will be no point in arguing. Everyone will either fall in line or fall away. For example, if Trump were murdered by the Senate and its Agencies and then Barron rose to political prominence a few years afterwards, preaching radical Meritocratic reform and a vision of a glorious American Empire, BAP and Nick Fuentes would both immediately start supporting Barron. If one or both of them didn't, I'm sure they would quickly lose their followings.

I hope it is indeed Barron, whom I insist is an Avatar of Apollo much as Napoleon was.

I am doubtful about Musk, as he seems to have proven himself to be a bit of a temperamental idiot. He does seem to be fairly open-minded thoughbeit, and I imagine that a reading of BAPbook, an audience with Moldbug, or a study of Mikkaite Meritocracy would be enough of a kick to start him down the right path.

[BillyONare]

Elon is admirable, but too old and blue pilled. Maybe one of his sons.

[Guest]

Bookcat claims he was doxed by bap and co. If true, it is a pretty bad look since their circle was very vocal about disavowing doxing a year back, when bap was on his alt account. Also considering the ricky vaughn case going on (since he got ratted out by a friend of his).
https://twitter.com/Hamiltonianist/statu...qX_MgtAAAA

[NuclearAbsolutist]

Notably the Hispanic-American has yet to point to where this happened or how(I truly wonder how it could be done seeing as he was so tight with opsec posting his name, face gf and school in 2018)

[Trevor Bauer]

Bookcat claims he was doxed by bap and co. If true, it is a pretty bad look since their circle was very vocal about disavowing doxing a year back, when bap was on his alt account. Also considering the ricky vaughn case going on (since he got ratted out by a friend of his).
https://twitter.com/Hamiltonianist/statu...qX_MgtAAAA

Braddock is a beltway Jew. No proof, but come on.

Yeah, these guys are not your friend.

https://twitter.com/GroyperLavrov/status...37792?s=20

[anthony]

Bookcat claims he was doxed by bap and co. If true, it is a pretty bad look since their circle was very vocal about disavowing doxing a year back, when bap was on his alt account. Also considering the ricky vaughn case going on (since he got ratted out by a friend of his).
https://twitter.com/Hamiltonianist/statu...qX_MgtAAAA

Braddock is a beltway Jew. No proof, but come on.

Yeah, these guys are not your friend.

https://twitter.com/GroyperLavrov/status...37792?s=20

The only person I know of in this is Bookcat. In my brief time on twitter I saw him make some appallingly stupid commentary on an old Moldbug piece I like. I can't tell what the rest of this is supposed to mean but I have trouble believing Bookcat is capable of being right about anything. He should be forced to rename himself Bookdog.

[Trevor Bauer]

Bookcat claims he was doxed by bap and co. If true, it is a pretty bad look since their circle was very vocal about disavowing doxing a year back, when bap was on his alt account. Also considering the ricky vaughn case going on (since he got ratted out by a friend of his).
https://twitter.com/Hamiltonianist/statu...qX_MgtAAAA

Braddock is a beltway Jew. No proof, but come on.

Yeah, these guys are not your friend.

https://twitter.com/GroyperLavrov/status...37792?s=20

The only person I know of in this is Bookcat. In my brief time on twitter I saw him make some appallingly stupid commentary on an old Moldbug piece I like. I can't tell what the rest of this is supposed to mean but I have trouble believing Bookcat is capable of being right about anything. He should be forced to rename himself Bookdog.

He's been part of the BAP nutholder crew for years. He'll go on third tier podcasts occasionally but he's had a big account for as long as he's been around. He presents as a Virginia area Patriot. He's never claimed Jewishness but named himself after the Dustin Hoffman character which had an affair with Mrs Robinson ('Jesus love you more than you will know'). I don't know any of the people in the thread I linked. The face fag who's bitching about BAP seems more suspect than BAP himself, but nevertheless.

[anthony]

He's been part of the BAP nutholder crew for years. He'll go on third tier podcasts occasionally but he's had a big account for as long as he's been around. He presents as a Virginia area Patriot. He's never claimed Jewishness but named himself after the Dustin Hoffman character which had an affair with Mrs Robinson ('Jesus love you more than you will know'). I don't know any of the people in the thread I linked. The face fag who's bitching about BAP seems more suspect than BAP himself, but nevertheless.

I always regret asking about these things. Not your fault of course. Thank you for answering.

[NuclearAbsolutist]

Braddock is a beltway Jew. No proof, but come on.

Yeah, these guys are not your friend.

https://twitter.com/GroyperLavrov/status...37792?s=20

What is presented without evidence can be dismissed without evidence, but here's some important context as they say anyhow 



The good doctor I have only known him as a "paleocon" take engine who like most major TVRE right efforts of the past 7 decades qt the news with wittism. RTing the meme posted in jest by a militra/bodybuilding poster on a "possible happening" in Israel is naturally nothing important unless your a member of the Hamilton's corpse worshiping society. Bookspic and his crew are a real barrel of laughs, what boils down to crabs in the same bucket of social media whose true outlook can be summed up in how Bookcat and members of his crew supported BLM/DNC agents tearing down CSA statues because they were on the side of(((Brits)))-being very cross at the fount of subversion that is a man who says IDC about Israel OR your corpses of beliefs bc vitality, while maggots consume what was known as the United States of America. I wonder how this party considering their stated ideals can live with themselves. Then I remember even pre internet you had such types scree about everything and nothing while actual subversion went unnoticed as it was time to fight "interlopers" that only came about because you and everything you stand for failed, and instead of learning from that there was newsletters and now twitter threads to write. The Cycle Of Life.

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I should say I consider both sides broadly beyond BAP being as Anthony said a new sharper type of conservative commentator compared to the twitch bloodsport spics crowd equal neither actually understand rightism beyond Instagram/twitter memes but the book cat crowd I consider worse than any number of sol brah clone cringe, because they claim they are REAL AMERICA REAL THINKERS and all they do as repeatably shown in this thread is at the level of weak willed morons who could be taken by any fandom. Their nature naturally leads to the twitter drama we see here which can have holes poked in against in a infinite number of ways. Such are the arguments of imbeciles. The only way one could be for such parties in my mind is assuming the cloaks they drape themselves are sincere and genuine This is being far, far too charitable. Beyond a few select persons really, I consider every sphere among the supposed dissident right like this. A sea of apu avatars retweeing baste memes in different flavors. All the drama boils down to monkeys variously screaming at each other but never moving from their trees, with sometimes a few falling over.

[JohnnyRomero]

It always irritates and saddens me to see what the mass of Twatter peasants do with our ideas and terms that trickle down to their sewer. Replies include multiple bruh5moments-Americans saying "banger post" or even simply "banger," which reminds me of this:


It would be funny watching this wannabe MedBrown try to pitch this to his idealized White Goddess in-person. In short, billions must die.