UFO and Extraterrestrial Experiences
#1
I wanted to make a thread about this because it seems to be a topic that comes up often in this sphere, and I myself have had an experience with this phenomena. 

My personal experience happened at 6:15 a.m. in the third week of August, 2020. I'm usually the only one up that early, so I let the dogs out and prepared to feed them. It's something like a morning ritual of mine to go outside in the backyard and look at the stars. Usually I would see maybe a few stars at most, but as I am looking out, I see a flying saucer. It was a typical metallic silver saucer with a few flashing lights around the bottom of the craft. It made very little, if any, sound and flew slowly, 270 degrees, around the perimeter of the house. It was one of the most surreal things I've ever seen.

If anyone else has had an experience or has any theories about the origin of these things, feel free to share and discuss. I believe them to be of extraterrestrial origin instead of some demonic entity, like some others commonly believe, but I am open to alternate theories.

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#2
I kinda want to make a semi-effortpost on this, maybe later when I feel like it. Anyway, I've had several experiences of this kind and I don't think they are extraterrestrial or manmade or "demonic" in the christian sense of the word, though the idea of demons is probably still closer to what they actually are than these other explanations. I think these things are something fundamentally anomalous, closer to something "spiritual" than biological, perhaps originating from some location that our understanding of physics can't yet fathom. This is very likely also related to mythological beings from folklore and such. I also think that something extremely manipulative is going on, as all these ephemeral apparitions all seem to have an interactive relationship with human culture, in other words, these things are influencing us on a societal level while seemingly exploiting our own beliefs and assumptions, or at least they seem to attempt to. Sightings like these have occurred before anyone had technology that could even be close to replicating them and there's too much "high strangeness" going on for a purely "ET" (biological) explanation to be satisfying. Mundane explanations like psychology and weather anomalies are so ridiculous that they are not even worth addressing.
#3
(05-15-2023, 09:59 PM)Anon123 Wrote: I kinda want to make a semi-effortpost on this, maybe later when I feel like it. Anyway, I've had several experiences of this kind and I don't think they are extraterrestrial or manmade or "demonic" in the christian sense of the word, though the idea of demons is probably still closer to what they actually are than these other explanations. I think these things are something fundamentally anomalous, closer to something "spiritual" than biological, perhaps originating from some location that our understanding of physics can't yet fathom. This is very likely also related to mythological beings from folklore and such. I also think that something extremely manipulative is going on, as all these ephemeral apparitions all seem to have an interactive relationship with human culture, in other words, these things are influencing us on a societal level while seemingly exploiting our own beliefs and assumptions, or at least they seem to attempt to. Sightings like these have occurred before anyone had technology that could even be close to replicating them and there's too much "high strangeness" going on for a purely "ET" (biological) explanation to be satisfying. Mundane explanations like psychology and weather anomalies are so ridiculous that they are not even worth addressing.

I'd be interested to hear your experiences if you have the time. I do admit that there is something "otherworldly" about some people's experiences. I think you would be interested in the story of the "Hav-Musuv" from the Paiute tribe in Death Valley. They are talked about as something like antediluvian people who were seafarers when water flowed through Death Valley. They soon had to adapt to the changing ecosystem and weather of the post-Younger Dryas period when the rivers dried up, and they instead took to the skies in "silver eagles". The Hav-Musuv are said to live underground in the American southwest, which is where the largest UFO and extraterrestrial hotspots are located. 

You can learn more about them here: https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_...ces03a.htm. Pardon the passive aggression of the injun; it can get frustrating to read.
#4
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If you spent any time at all in these circles, you've probably seen this image or others like it a thousand times,  this is a "being" that Aleister Crowley claims to have contacted in 1917, decades before the gray alien entered the public consciousness.
Typing "aliens are demons" on the 4chan paranormal board archives will net you a couple thousand results stating just about that.
If I had to guess who is making those posts, I'd probably say it's not just the usual stereotypical raving schizophrenics that are dismissed as the cause of every "woo" topic, but also newly converted tradcaths claiming with certainty that aliens are definitely real, but only as an adjacent extension of their own faith. But it's not like they're wrong!
Yes, aliens could very well be demons. Not that they have cloven hooves and carry pitchforks. I don't know that. But they ARE the appealing idea that there's subtler forces, unknown to the common man and that they could be doing mysterious acts somewhere nearby, just out of sight of the larger public eye. And the "ancient aliens" branch of the theory reverses it so that instead it is the scientific "fact of aliens that inspires superstition rather than vice versa.
Maybe a psychological phenomenon, Aliens could be the ghosts and gnomes of the scientific era. The thought certainly didn't escape the likes of CS Lewis, Clarke and Lovecraft unnoticed. 
Personally I'll stay agnostic on the subject until the JFK-gray sex tape gets declassified. There's a million branches of conspiracy theories covering every variable on what could be true or not, aliens are real and the government is covering them up, the government ARE aliens, aliens are NOT real but the government wants you to think they are, and so on and so forth. Ultimately I don't really care if it's swamp gas, experimental black projects, or a farmer seeing a weird owl perched on a tree late at night.
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Whether aliens are real or not is irrelevant to what i find interesting in the subject: the variety and breadth of anecdotal evidence.
I love encyclopedias. As an antisocial sperg, I've never played dungeons and dragons, but I do incidentally know the name of every monster.  My personal introduction to our current topic was that, as a kid, I'd spend my free time reading obscure blogs about cryptids and aliens. This was probably not too different from my youth interest in Pokemon and other similar franchises.
The weird beings just around the corner represented not just a general interest in biology but also maybe the romantic idea of exploration, that there are still things to be discovered and catalogued on this world, or others.
#5
(05-18-2023, 12:15 PM)oyakodon_khan Wrote: [Image: Supposed_channeled_entity_by_occultist_crowley.jpg]
If you spent any time at all in these circles, you've probably seen this image or others like it a thousand times,  this is a "being" that Aleister Crowley claims to have contacted in 1917, decades before the gray alien entered the public consciousness.
Typing "aliens are demons" on the 4chan paranormal board archives will net you a couple thousand results stating just about that.
If I had to guess who is making those posts, I'd probably say it's not just the usual stereotypical raving schizophrenics that are dismissed as the cause of every "woo" topic, but also newly converted tradcaths claiming with certainty that aliens are definitely real, but only as an adjacent extension of their own faith. But it's not like they're wrong!
Yes, aliens could very well be demons. Not that they have cloven hooves and carry pitchforks. I don't know that. But they ARE the appealing idea that there's subtler forces, unknown to the common man and that they could be doing mysterious acts somewhere nearby, just out of sight of the larger public eye. And the "ancient aliens" branch of the theory reverses it so that instead it is the scientific "fact of aliens that inspires superstition rather than vice versa.
Maybe a psychological phenomenon, Aliens could be the ghosts and gnomes of the scientific era. The thought certainly didn't escape the likes of CS Lewis, Clarke and Lovecraft unnoticed. 
Personally I'll stay agnostic on the subject until the JFK-gray sex tape gets declassified. There's a million branches of conspiracy theories covering every variable on what could be true or not, aliens are real and the government is covering them up, the government ARE aliens, aliens are NOT real but the government wants you to think they are, and so on and so forth. Ultimately I don't really care if it's swamp gas, experimental black projects, or a farmer seeing a weird owl perched on a tree late at night.
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Whether aliens are real or not is irrelevant to what i find interesting in the subject: the variety and breadth of anecdotal evidence.
I love encyclopedias. As an antisocial sperg, I've never played dungeons and dragons, but I do incidentally know the name of every monster.  My personal introduction to our current topic was that, as a kid, I'd spend my free time reading obscure blogs about cryptids and aliens. This was probably not too different from my youth interest in Pokemon and other similar franchises.
The weird beings just around the corner represented not just a general interest in biology but also maybe the romantic idea of exploration, that there are still things to be discovered and catalogued on this world, or others.

Good post Khan, I suppose what I find truly annoying about the "aliens are demons!" tradcath crowd on /x/ and other boards is the fact that it is often used to shut down any type of alternate theory or discussion about the origin of these beings. I really relate to your last paragraph. I had a very similar upbringing, and this has been an interest of mine ever since I can remember. I remember looking up at the stars as a child and wondering if there was anyone out there and if I'd ever have the chance to meet them. The fact we can see these distant stars and planets and have for our entire evolution, but can't reach them, drives me insane.
#6
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#7
(05-16-2023, 05:56 PM)FuarkBoy Wrote: I'd be interested to hear your experiences if you have the time. I do admit that there is something "otherworldly" about some people's experiences. I think you would be interested in the story of the "Hav-Musuv" from the Paiute tribe in Death Valley. They are talked about as something like antediluvian people who were seafarers when water flowed through Death Valley. They soon had to adapt to the changing ecosystem and weather of the post-Younger Dryas period when the rivers dried up, and they instead took to the skies in "silver eagles". The Hav-Musuv are said to live underground in the American southwest, which is where the largest UFO and extraterrestrial hotspots are located. 

You can learn more about them here: https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_...ces03a.htm. Pardon the passive aggression of the injun; it can get frustrating to read.

I'll share one of them. So this story has two parts to it, the first one being set in my childhood. I'll try to keep it brief. Me and my best friend walked home one night. The sky was clear, nobody else was outside, no people, no cars driving, nothing. It was dead silent and dark, with only the street lights around. We walked along the street and were about to approach a place where we used to play football and stuff, it was a sizable field of grass next to the street. It was on the other side of the street we were walking along. So we're approaching this place, expecting nothing, just chatting and stuff, when suddenly an insanely bright light appeared across the street just a couple metres away from us. It was so bright that it seemed to illuminate the entire neighbourhood and it didn't make even the slightest sound. It wasn't up in the sky, it was near the ground. It lasted only for a brief time and when it disappeared, we immediately ran over to the place where it seemed to be located. We inspected the entire place but didn't find anyone or anything. I've always had a deep interest in UFOs, aliens and so on, even back then, so that incident stuck with me.
Now part two is where it gets a bit weirder. Fast forward several years. I experiment with some New Age type methods to "initiate contact with extraterrestrials" which involves visualization and "sending out" your thoughts (it is assumed that they can read them). I also added a special "twist" to it that was unique to me and involved a symbol I drew and tried to communicate to them using focused intent. I went to that place from part one of the story, the field next to that street. I did the exercises there and was utterly dumbfounded when I saw this light flash up out of nowhere in the clear night sky and disappear just as suddenly. This seemed to lead to even more subsequent incidents. On one of the days following this, an object appeared in broad daylight near that same place. It looked like a black disc with an opaque dome on top of it. It hovered in the air and the movement looked unnaturally smooth for some reason. A building then obstructed the line of sight, but upon running behind the building, it seemed to have disappeared. I have a video of it, but I'd rather not share. It's kinda blurry anyway. Several more incidents followed, some of them in my own bedroom, even friends of mine seemed to be affected. It was very strange.
#8
(05-19-2023, 01:34 AM)FuarkBoy Wrote: Good post Khan, I suppose what I find truly annoying about the "aliens are demons!" tradcath crowd on /x/ and other boards is the fact that it is often used to shut down any type of alternate theory or discussion about the origin of these beings.

Yes I was being facetious in saying they are right, I hope i'm not misunderstood on that. I don't even think that they themselves believe such a thing, it's just something they say because the two topics happen to share internet-space and therefore must somehow be synthesized.
#9
It makes sense that fundamentalist religious types would interpret such phenomena as demonic. If an extraterrestrial presence was confirmed, what implications might that have for their beliefs? And I don't mean philosophical/theological, but more in the sense of interpreting the history of religion through an "Ancient Aliens" lens. Interpreting UFOs and such as the devil's work is, to an extent, a coping mechanism to preserve one's belief system and, by extension, motivated by the fear of death. It's not that these people are stupid or insane. To them, this present a very real threat to their beliefs, the same beliefs that promise them salvation, eternal life and the protection of God. Though if I were a Christian, I would find the "demon" angle most plausible given the highly anomalous and negative nature of this phenomenon. My main gripe with people calling these things "demons" is not the "demonic" interpretation per se, but the baggage that comes along with it, which is a complete, pre-packaged belief system that is just casually shoved into your face. It is lazy and leaves no room for unbiased and objective investigation.
#10
(05-19-2023, 01:28 PM)oyakodon_khan Wrote:
(05-19-2023, 01:34 AM)FuarkBoy Wrote: Good post Khan, I suppose what I find truly annoying about the "aliens are demons!" tradcath crowd on /x/ and other boards is the fact that it is often used to shut down any type of alternate theory or discussion about the origin of these beings.

Yes I was being facetious in saying they are right, I hope i'm not misunderstood on that. I don't even think that they themselves believe such a thing, it's just something they say because the two topics happen to share internet-space and therefore must somehow be synthesized.

No I understood what you meant by it, and I agree.

(05-19-2023, 03:40 AM)Anon123 Wrote:
(05-16-2023, 05:56 PM)FuarkBoy Wrote: I'd be interested to hear your experiences if you have the time. I do admit that there is something "otherworldly" about some people's experiences. I think you would be interested in the story of the "Hav-Musuv" from the Paiute tribe in Death Valley. They are talked about as something like antediluvian people who were seafarers when water flowed through Death Valley. They soon had to adapt to the changing ecosystem and weather of the post-Younger Dryas period when the rivers dried up, and they instead took to the skies in "silver eagles". The Hav-Musuv are said to live underground in the American southwest, which is where the largest UFO and extraterrestrial hotspots are located. 

You can learn more about them here: https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_...ces03a.htm. Pardon the passive aggression of the injun; it can get frustrating to read.

I'll share one of them. So this story has two parts to it, the first one being set in my childhood. I'll try to keep it brief. Me and my best friend walked home one night. The sky was clear, nobody else was outside, no people, no cars driving, nothing. It was dead silent and dark, with only the street lights around. We walked along the street and were about to approach a place where we used to play football and stuff, it was a sizable field of grass next to the street. It was on the other side of the street we were walking along. So we're approaching this place, expecting nothing, just chatting and stuff, when suddenly an insanely bright light appeared across the street just a couple metres away from us. It was so bright that it seemed to illuminate the entire neighbourhood and it didn't make even the slightest sound. It wasn't up in the sky, it was near the ground. It lasted only for a brief time and when it disappeared, we immediately ran over to the place where it seemed to be located. We inspected the entire place but didn't find anyone or anything. I've always had a deep interest in UFOs, aliens and so on, even back then, so that incident stuck with me.
Now part two is where it gets a bit weirder. Fast forward several years. I experiment with some New Age type methods to "initiate contact with extraterrestrials" which involves visualization and "sending out" your thoughts (it is assumed that they can read them). I also added a special "twist" to it that was unique to me and involved a symbol I drew and tried to communicate to them using focused intent. I went to that place from part one of the story, the field next to that street. I did the exercises there and was utterly dumbfounded when I saw this light flash up out of nowhere in the clear night sky and disappear just as suddenly. This seemed to lead to even more subsequent incidents. On one of the days following this, an object appeared in broad daylight near that same place. It looked like a black disc with an opaque dome on top of it. It hovered in the air and the movement looked unnaturally smooth for some reason. A building then obstructed the line of sight, but upon running behind the building, it seemed to have disappeared. I have a video of it, but I'd rather not share. It's kinda blurry anyway. Several more incidents followed, some of them in my own bedroom, even friends of mine seemed to be affected. It was very strange.

Thanks for sharing; that's definitely a very interesting experience. I've heard a lot about the methods of initiating contact, such as the CR5 thing that Steven Greer practices and promotes, but never really tried it myself. These incidents that you mention happening in your bedroom, were they of a poltergeist-type phenomena? I've had many experiences of that type within my own room, both before and after my UFO experience.
#11
(05-20-2023, 02:39 AM)FuarkBoy Wrote: Thanks for sharing; that's definitely a very interesting experience. I've heard a lot about the methods of initiating contact, such as the CR5 thing that Steven Greer practices and promotes, but never really tried it myself. These incidents that you mention happening in your bedroom, were they of a poltergeist-type phenomena? I've had many experiences of that type within my own room, both before and after my UFO experience.

So, this is gonna sound schizophrenic. I remember being visited by what appeared to be a physical object. It was round and greyish metallic, roughly the size of a tennis ball. It floated around in the air, flying back and fourth with no visible propulsion system. I grabbed it with my hand and it started wildly dragging my arm around the air, as if I provoked it to do so. I felt it vibrating intensely inside my hand, it was a very strange sensation. I held on fast, but eventually it slipped from my fingers and just disappeared. The doors and windows were all closed, so I don't know where it went.
#12
I am curious, does anyone here know anyone who claims to be an abductee?



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