Western Thaw and Cultural Detente
#1
One interesting concept that is sometimes brought up in these parts is that of the cultural detente of the 90's and 00's, a moment when Global Nigger Communism (which its current form is merely a development of cultural expectations that were incipient in the 90's) was much more insidious, that is, much more surreptitious and much more open for concessions right after the aftermath of the fall of the Soviet Union and its implied blow to the leftist hopes of the 60's, a Western Thaw. That is pretty clear on the time's culture, from popular series (like Seinfeld, which many times playfully satirized leftist notions) to political events (the political reaction to the Los Angeles riots was not demolished statues, but a return to pre-civil rights crime rates). It was a time when Human Bio Diversity could be treated as merely a controversial academic topic, and that, as the recent Nick Bostrom controversy implies, major young philosophers would still consciously take for granted that "blacks are more stupid than whites" and that you should not talk about it because it's offensive. A distant memory today, as this period was subject of the most effective measure of 'soyfication' ever put, with drastic changes to popular understandings of race and sex. If we live now in a specially degraded world, it is as a result of the compounding effects of this period.

For example, in Seinfeld and other sitcoms of the era it was common for a minority to be introduced in a somewhat "neutrally noble" role representing incipient political force, like the American Indian girl in "The Cigar Store Indian" episode where the representation of American Indians is questioned. She is an attractive, sympathetic girl that is politely offended by an Injun tobacco statue in possession of the main character, and he even makes jokes about it saying to no take it that seriously, but, in the end, agrees that it was "in poor taste". See how agreeably a leftist talking point is presented, how the discomfort of the implied anti-White sentiment is managed so that it can be more easily actively suppressed by the audience? The colorblind position is as good as anti-White sentiment can get. A significant portion of White people today can't even acknowledge anti-White forces if they deem that negatively, and that wasn't the case in 1998.

You can see this in a variety of movies of the time. In Goodfellas, the Italian protagonists deem blacks as retards and even call them racial slurs, and Samuel L. Jackson plays the part of the only relevant black character of the movie as a bumbling retard that compromises the main heist of the crime movie by sheer incompetency, and this with the expectation that the audience will simply regard this as an ironic commentary on racial relations. This flavor of detente can be seen in other Italian American shows, like Casino and The Sopranos.

You see, a theme during the time is not real opposition for "woke" ideas, but their accommodation, that their nurturing to ever more hysterical forms was a goal for humanity, that at the same time that racism, sexism and homophobia were becoming extinguished, more and more of the state and of the social institutions would be dedicated to their extinction in whole new forms. In that way I see this time as not exactly a conservative ideal (even though real conservative resistance was brought up in this 20 year moment) but as a normie ideal, a time where you could enjoy being a normal white heterosexual man while pretending that the cultural forces against you were at worst not real and at best a necessary force for good that was gradual and would benefit everyone in the end. The gen-x cohort that lived in this era are some of the most energetic Trump supporters, and much of Trump's political motivation is resentment that this era ended (Donald Trump was a liberal in 2000, and campaigned against the conservative Buchanan. The times changed more than he did) and that the rug was finally pulled.

Even Barack Obama. See his 2008 speeches and how he panders to the White electorate with the idea of an end of racism, of meritocratic coexistence. Of course, that was never really the case. His second term marked the full blossoming of the current 'woke' manifestation, although I'm not that certain if he was 'very important' to this end (that is, if it would make a difference if Hillary Clinton was president at this time instead, for example). Western culture, given a breathing space, finally died in 2012, and had its body discovered by GamerGate, right during Barack Obama's tenure. A coincidence?

The question is, can this happen again? Are these really the origins of this period, the fall of the URSS and general low morale of the left? Did it merely serve as a nurturing of current ideology or could it have superseded it? Can a right-wing resurgence happen in the near future? I invite you to discuss.
#2
Too tired to post properly now, but thank you for the thread. This subject fascinates me and I'll get back to you with some stuff soon.
#3
I think it was a sort of controlled release, sort of like giving a prisoner on death row a fancy final meal.
#4
It wasn't a controlled release. It was a crisis in Leftism precipitated by the collapse of the USSR. By the 90s, all of the grand Leftist social experiments, from Communism to racial equality, had been played out and revealed as failures to anyone with a modicum of intellectual honesty. The problem was that no coherent narrative of sufficient strength and vigor existed to replace Leftism. People like Bill Clinton and crime bill Joe Biden were just hypocritical, lukewarm Leftists, practicing pragmatic social policy while offering empty support for equality like Renaissance cardinals frequenting brothels while affirming the catechism. In an American context mainstream Leftism was briefly supplanted by Neoconservatism but these people had their own irrational attachments to Democracy and, covertly, Jewish ethnocentrism which inspired them to discredit themselves with the Iraq War. 

One of the best write-ups I know of on the phenomenon is this J'Accuse article about Oxford


"In the late 20th century, the fruits of the 1960s cultural revolution were contested. Licio Gelli as much as Hayek was in the limelight when the USSR collapsed. What ought to have followed was a second cultural revolution where the 'dissident' theories replacing them could be unified into a new worldview; a "paradigm shift." Instead, the outdated ideology of the 60s radicals survived as an empty, pseudo-religious public doctrine; while the novel advances in various fields were fragmented into 'postmodern' zaniness without a unifying grand narrative. The welfare state ought to have been refocused to selecting and patronizing those identified as having inborn talent, instead it was simply dismantled except as a rent-seeking operation on urban decline."

The mention of postmodern zaniness always makes me think of Steve Bannon's involvement with Biosphere 2.

As far as a resurgence, we very nearly got one with Trump where figures like Dick Spence were being interviewed on CNN, but then some canny Leftist journalist probably realized it would be much safer to cast the Trump phenomenon as "backwards working class resentment towards globalization" and all of our idiot "Trumpist intellectuals" were happy to play right into their hands.
#5
Excellent thread. There's much cause for optimism when today's propaganda is as unnuanced and openly hostile as it is. Systemic mismanagement by spinsters and POC = win.

https://youtu.be/oH6dCTtgxbY
#6
It's not like we don't we have any good RW intellectuals, we have an abundance in fact. They are all just languishing. All their tongues have been cut, for some reason.
#7
The estimable Counter Currents essayist Margot Metroland mentions the Western Thaw in her retrospective review of an old Lawrence Auster book on immigration. 


She quotes John Derbyshire calling it an "interglacial warming period" and mentions Senator Eugene McCarthy disavowing the 1965 Immigration Act and joining FAIR, and Peter Brimelow publishing Alien Nation while serving as a senior editor at Forbes. 

This kind of thing is probably old hat to a lot of more experienced participants in the sphere but it's quite interesting as a younger person. Brimelow's early career is interesting in the same way as Jared Taylor's, two bright journalist, think tank types who who felt like the ignominy was lifting on open discussions of race. They probably thought they would go down as a bit like bold Steve Jobs #ThinkDifferent pioneers. Of course, that's how I see them, but the mainstream has obviously changed a bit.
#8
(01-16-2023, 10:04 AM)A New Career In A New Town Wrote: The question is, can this happen again? Are these really the origins of this period, the fall of the URSS and general low morale of the left? Did it merely serve as a nurturing of current ideology or could it have superseded it? Can a right-wing resurgence happen in the near future? I invite you to discuss.

(01-17-2023, 12:04 AM)GraphWalkWithMe Wrote: Excellent thread. There's much cause for optimism when today's propaganda is as unnuanced and openly hostile as it is. Systemic mismanagement by spinsters and POC = win.

https://youtu.be/oH6dCTtgxbY

(01-17-2023, 04:56 AM)Verl Wrote: It's not like we don't we have any good RW intellectuals, we have an abundance in fact. They are all just languishing. All their tongues have been cut, for some reason.
I think right wing resurgence is inevitable at some point in near future because the modern left has total dropper any intellectual endeavors, modern leftism is simply “whity b evil n sheeeeit.” 

Having a working state as an example and theory to back up your point is way different from “gib me dat fur free.” The transition from communism to global nigger communist. The left isn’t intelligent or at least no longer try to pretend they are today.

My political education vs lefty zoomers education is very different. I’ve had Prestigious political education from twitter academy, while leftist zoomer had had education from breadtube. All their political education amounts to is some tranny arguing with right wing straw man and saying fuck a lot or just giving value judgements on stuff and telling them what to think. They are very stupid and can be shut up very quickly. 

I think lefty Brain drain is because they have affirmative actioned Jewish sophistry makers who made up majority of leftist rhetoric. I remember in class lefty professor brings quote from nigger leftist “intellect” name x Iberia or something like that. 

Quote:RACIST: One who is supporting a racist policy through their actions or inaction or expressing a racist idea.

ANTIRACIST: One who is supporting an antiracist policy through their actions or expressing an antiracist idea.
Now when I see this I’m shocked at how stupid it is, circular reasoning that makes definition essentially mean nothing. But class is to stupid to see this, they all try and make sense out of it like it means anything at all. Maybe their were some who saw the obvious circular reasoning and just conformed but too many too it like it was absolute truth.

I think our side is more intelligent and has created more coherent narrative. The current sides are “I’m White” and “kill whity.” It’s not that hard too see a future right wing resurgence with these current conditions.
#9
A good question to ask is who are the 3rd and 4th rate contributors in a given movement? This shows how much "motion" there actually is...cultish ideologies that flare up and die down as a substanceless trends are always limited in downward fractalization. They usually revolve around only a handful of prominent voices rather than being a highly layered system like the E-right. 

I think one of the most consistent and simple truths of our time is that the left worldview is a boring, exhausted cliche now. The only difficulty with right-resurgence is it owns institutional machinery the likes of which has never been seen before, and much of it is now devoted to suppression of our ideas. Unfortunately, this material advantage is allowing them to prolong their illegitimate rule which leads to suffering for all.
#10
Great poasts mr black silhouette and guest-bros. I've seen it said before, and it's always been true: we WOULD be magnitudes more powerful if there were no censorship. From 4chan to 2015-2017 Youtube, when there is unrestrained discourse, the "Far Right" wins. Because we are the Truth. You must always remind yourself of that: we are the ones who are True. We are the ones who are Correct.
#11
(01-18-2023, 11:47 AM)Guest Wrote:
(01-17-2023, 04:56 AM)Verl Wrote: It's not like we don't we have any good RW intellectuals, we have an abundance in fact. They are all just languishing. All their tongues have been cut, for some reason.
I think right wing resurgence is inevitable at some point in near future because the modern left has total dropper any intellectual endeavors, modern leftism is simply “whity b evil n sheeeeit.” 

Having a working state as an example and theory to back up your point is way different from “gib me dat fur free.” The transition from communism to global nigger communist. The left isn’t intelligent or at least no longer try to pretend they are today.

My political education vs lefty zoomers education is very different. I’ve had Prestigious political education from twitter academy, while leftist zoomer had had education from breadtube. All their political education amounts to is some tranny arguing with right wing straw man and saying fuck a lot or just giving value judgements on stuff and telling them what to think. They are very stupid and can be shut up very quickly. 

I think lefty Brain drain is because they have affirmative actioned Jewish sophistry makers who made up majority of leftist rhetoric. I remember in class lefty professor brings quote from nigger leftist “intellect” name x Iberia or something like that. 

Quote:RACIST: One who is supporting a racist policy through their actions or inaction or expressing a racist idea.

ANTIRACIST: One who is supporting an antiracist policy through their actions or expressing an antiracist idea.
Now when I see this I’m shocked at how stupid it is, circular reasoning that makes definition essentially mean nothing. But class is to stupid to see this, they all try and make sense out of it like it means anything at all. Maybe their were some who saw the obvious circular reasoning and just conformed but too many too it like it was absolute truth.

I think our side is more intelligent and has created more coherent narrative. The current sides are “I’m White” and “kill whity.” It’s not that hard too see a future right wing resurgence with these current conditions.

Is right wing resurgence really inevitable on account of a lack of leftist intellectualism or real culture? More likely the future deal is just that we don't have those things anymore. We have a working state to point to which countless people regardless of politics love, Japan, and it doesn't change anything. Normalfags look at Japan and think "so appealing, but problematic... I can fix him!"

Leftism has completely brain-drained itself into a shambling zombie-like state. But does that matter when they simply own everything and understand that they need to link arms to exclude everyone else? You can have a worldview as retarded as Thought Slime and still work for the UN, be a lead executive at Sony, work in the White House, graduate from harvard, etc.

These people will watch Glass Onion and tell themselves it's good. These people will watch Promare and tell themselves that it's actually about faggotry and then will try to invade Japan to get into an advisory role to get niggers into anime one day. These people will live in doghouses and eat bugs and tell themselves straight white entitled late capitalism climate change did this.

Simply having saner ideas, being smarter, being a better person, does not get you anything. Looking at the state of the world all it does is get power aligned against you because it understands that you're a potential problem.
#12
I really have doubt in the notion that "Leftists/State-apologists will just accept anything at this point and so their political allies will endlessly grow in number while the opposition inevitably shrivels off and dies." When you talk to Leftists who are at least semi-serious lately there's a tangible air of resignment, "I'm done with politics", etc. Everyone who possesses anything resembling a mind realizes the propaganda is of exceedingly low-quality and is propaganda, and that it doesn't communicate any invigorating messages beyond mere ethnic and paraphilic chauvinism: "My GROUP OF PEOPLE. YOU MUST RECOGNIZE GREAT APE PERSONHOOD." Do actual politically-aware Black people, other "POC" take this shit seriously? Mind the most ardent State-apologists are just disengaged John Oliver-watching bourgie retards. They're complete slaves, not real political actors. If those are the people seating government then they're just going to nosedive it into the dirt, as we're now seeing. I'm of the opinion Turner Diaries-world is preferable to our current situation, maybe people will disagree.

I'm not implying that a "Long March" is currently realistic, but as the System continues to deteriorate it follows it'll be less capable of enforcing any mandates. It might take a century but bad propaganda precipitates State collapse.

Sorry if this derailed the thread topic, but it was worth addressing.
#13
(01-19-2023, 02:37 AM)GraphWalkWithMe Wrote: I really have doubt in the notion that "Leftists/State-apologists will just accept anything at this point and so their political allies will endlessly grow in number while the opposition inevitably shrivels off and dies." When you talk to Leftists who are at least semi-serious lately there's a tangible air of resignment, "I'm done with politics", etc. Everyone who possesses anything resembling a mind realizes the propaganda is of exceedingly low-quality and is propaganda, and that it doesn't communicate any invigorating messages beyond mere ethnic and paraphilic chauvinism: "My GROUP OF PEOPLE. YOU MUST RECOGNIZE GREAT APE PERSONHOOD." Do actual politically-aware Black people, other "POC" take this shit seriously? Mind the most ardent State-apologists are just disengaged John Oliver-watching bourgie retards. They're complete slaves, not real political actors. If those are the people seating government then they're just going to nosedive it into the dirt, as we're now seeing. I'm of the opinion Turner Diaries-world is preferable to our current situation, maybe people will disagree.

I'm not implying that a "Long March" is currently realistic, but as the System continues to deteriorate it follows it'll be less capable of enforcing any mandates. It might take a century but bad propaganda precipitates State collapse.

Sorry if this derailed the thread topic, but it was worth addressing.

I guess we might soon find out if the system runs on approval or merely likes it? We could just become the Soviet Union or China. Remember, our cops were happy to enforce vaccination. A deteriorated state can enforce a lot. Just it will have to do so by increasingly brutal and inefficient methods.
#14
(01-18-2023, 11:59 PM)anthony Wrote: Is right wing resurgence really inevitable on account of a lack of leftist intellectualism or real culture? More likely the future deal is just that we don't have those things anymore. We have a working state to point to which countless people regardless of politics love, Japan, and it doesn't change anything. Normalfags look at Japan and think "so appealing, but problematic... I can fix him!"

Leftism has completely brain-drained itself into a shambling zombie-like state. But does that matter when they simply own everything and understand that they need to link arms to exclude everyone else? You can have a worldview as retarded as Thought Slime and still work for the UN, be a lead executive at Sony, work in the White House, graduate from harvard, etc.

These people will watch Glass Onion and tell themselves it's good. These people will watch Promare and tell themselves that it's actually about faggotry and then will try to invade Japan to get into an advisory role to get niggers into anime one day. These people will live in doghouses and eat bugs and tell themselves straight white entitled late capitalism climate change did this.

Simply having saner ideas, being smarter, being a better person, does not get you anything. Looking at the state of the world all it does is get power aligned against you because it understands that you're a potential problem.
The fear that America digresses into a Brazil or South Africa is a real concern. With covid we were shown that a large part of the population will slap a chain around their neck and harangue you for not wearing yours. Even more recently the cold shower and high gas prices for Ukraine. My position is one of optimism, I won’t deny that. But I don’t think taking a position of pessimism(or some mistakenly call it realism) is that helpful. 

But disregarding inevitability, there still is a large chance this can happen. Like I said with the political divide being “I’m White” vs “kill Whity”, just because normies can deal with a lesser standard of life doesn’t mean their willing to deal with racial animus directed at them. They can try to ignore it and justify it but eventually these feelings will grown with in their subconscious. Eventually someone will give form to those feelings in their heart, the term anti-white will become popular. Normies have less resilience and emotional strength, libtard boomers who will affirm niggers are our equals still can’t help see blacks as a caricature(albeit a positive one) and cants treat them like their fellow whites, they also have a hard time around Chinese and Indians. Even with being propagandized their whole life it still can’t deny their natural instincts. I mean even just talking with normies they will admit that a large majority of their interactions with niggers have always been negative. they can only hold their opinion(nigger are equal) because they’re not forced to be around them and can return to their all white neighborhood. They can escape and live in their delusions but if anti-white racial animus is constant From all sources of media(which at this point it is), from every interaction, it will be progressively harder for even lefties to live in neverland. Once they understand that even with all their denouncing whity they themselves cant join the multi-racial working class a feeling of indignation and spite will arise. But we’ll also have to help them understand that, help them understand what happened to the whites in Haiti who were ready for equality. You can lie to yourself but your feelings can’t lie, they will surface.  For those reasons I think there exists a very big possibility.
#15
(01-19-2023, 03:05 AM)anthony Wrote:
(01-19-2023, 02:37 AM)GraphWalkWithMe Wrote: I really have doubt in the notion that "Leftists/State-apologists will just accept anything at this point and so their political allies will endlessly grow in number while the opposition inevitably shrivels off and dies." When you talk to Leftists who are at least semi-serious lately there's a tangible air of resignment, "I'm done with politics", etc. Everyone who possesses anything resembling a mind realizes the propaganda is of exceedingly low-quality and is propaganda, and that it doesn't communicate any invigorating messages beyond mere ethnic and paraphilic chauvinism: "My GROUP OF PEOPLE. YOU MUST RECOGNIZE GREAT APE PERSONHOOD." Do actual politically-aware Black people, other "POC" take this shit seriously? Mind the most ardent State-apologists are just disengaged John Oliver-watching bourgie retards. They're complete slaves, not real political actors. If those are the people seating government then they're just going to nosedive it into the dirt, as we're now seeing. I'm of the opinion Turner Diaries-world is preferable to our current situation, maybe people will disagree.

I'm not implying that a "Long March" is currently realistic, but as the System continues to deteriorate it follows it'll be less capable of enforcing any mandates. It might take a century but bad propaganda precipitates State collapse.

Sorry if this derailed the thread topic, but it was worth addressing.

I guess we might soon find out if the system runs on approval or merely likes it? We could just become the Soviet Union or China. Remember, our cops were happy to enforce vaccination. A deteriorated state can enforce a lot. Just it will have to do so by increasingly brutal and inefficient methods.
The USSR? ~80 YEAR RUN, DIED 30+ YEARS AGO. Sino's CCP? ACTIVELY DYING ACCORDING TO WITNESSES, AND INFLATED INTO CONTINUED EXISTENCE BY AMERICA.


The point is that crude propaganda is symptomatic of a State that has lost sight of its raison detre. A nation whose offices are seated by people actively seeking the eradication of major, founding, contingents of its population is unsustainable for obvious reasons. Both aforementioned Communist States contrast with America in their elevation of ethnic pride as a means of self-justification. 2023's American government, on the other hand, has taken upon itself to realize the furtherization of ~80 years of soft White elimination. Between these examples, which government reads the least sound to its constituents?

American people DO increasingly reject the strictures laid upon them, if not yet in action then in spirit, policefaggotry aside. It should be taken for granted that arguments for "childhood transgenderism", etc. are beyond anything proposed by the USSR or CCP. The American State simply preaches the worst propaganda ever. Has any government ever increased its power-status by preaching anything that immediately repellant?
#16
(01-20-2023, 05:42 AM)GraphWalkWithMe Wrote: The USSR? ~80 YEAR RUN, DIED 30+ YEARS AGO. Sino's CCP? ACTIVELY DYING ACCORDING TO WITNESSES, AND INFLATED INTO CONTINUED EXISTENCE BY AMERICA.


The point is that crude propaganda is symptomatic of a State that has lost sight of its raison detre. A nation whose offices are seated by people actively seeking the eradication of major, founding, contingents of its population is unsustainable for obvious reasons. Both aforementioned Communist States contrast with America in their elevation of ethnic pride as a means of self-justification. 2023's American government, on the other hand, has taken upon itself to realize the furtherization of ~80 years of soft White elimination. Between these examples, which government reads the least sound to its constituents?

Americans people DO increasingly reject the strictures laid upon them, if not yet in action then in spirit, policefaggotry aside. It should be taken for granted that arguments for "childhood transgenderism", etc. are beyond anything proposed by the USSR or CCP. The American State simply preaches the worst propaganda ever. Has any government ever increased its power-status by preaching anything that immediately repellant?

The American Government doesn't define itself on things like trooning children. It clears space and then let's these things run while crushing everything healthier, then throws its hands up and asks why you hate freedom when you notice. They aren't that crude. I see no obvious breaking point of retardedly awful state action or policy which makes healthy change an immediate likelihood.
#17
(01-20-2023, 05:51 AM)anthony Wrote: The American Government doesn't define itself on things like trooning children. It clears space and then let's these things run while crushing everything healthier, then throws its hands up and asks why you hate freedom when you notice. They aren't that crude. I see no obvious breaking point of retardedly awful state action or policy which makes healthy change an immediate likelihood.

They really are that inept, though. See the POLITICAL TITANS of Diane Feinstein, Dennis Hastert, pro-Jonestown Harvey Milk for decades-old precedent of utter USG malfunction. It should go without saying no immediate turnaround is by the corner, what I'm saying is just that the whole thing is clearly in a state of decline. This isn't going to last forever.

Decline of base materiel might be a prerequisite of change. So be it.


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