(06-01-2023, 01:44 PM)Hamamelis Wrote: By now, we can do cheap genotyping, we can do GWAS for many diseases, disorders and personality types, we can to some light (or heavy) genetic engineering... let your fantasies run wild! Only people who have markers for high physical performance, body height 1SD above mean, high intelligence and good looks, good personality; and no markers for obesity, criminality, high agreeableness (for men, low for women), will be allowed to breed freely, the rest will have to undergo experimental germ line manipulations to make their children into the best they could be.
Very interesting idea—turning the untermensch into incubation machines for normal health citizen. This would work to keep a stable population or even a + in birthrates. I think I like this one the best on how to handle it. If an untermensch can conceive only non-untermensch then the problem of untermensch is essential eradicated in a single generation(their continuation). Although the non-untermensch children of the untermensch should probably be raised away from them. I am not sure what would be best for this—they become state property until 11(males only, the females are redistributed as harem prizes), and then gain their freedom. But still this answer is the best.
>We should administer genetic tests and do advanced retroviral bioengineering on untermenschen!
Not a realistic proposal. This is the proposal that someone would make up if they were wanting to paralyze a decision making body into doing nothing. Whereas a quick and dirty sorting method involving a couple of simple field expedient tests to screen out contacts and hair dye, and some rudimentary intelligence tests like reciting a sequence of numbers backwards and a 1 page raven's matrix test taken in 10 minutes is implementable and is good enough for government work.
The issue, for me, is that I have a very specific vision of the future (which of course may not be accurate at all to what will actually transpire). The Ancient Regime will put aside their differences immediately to crush the Amarnites once they realize what we are. We have to do the sorting mid-war. We have to implement a circular economy mid-war. We have to recruit and grow at an ungodly pace mid-war. We have to do everything mid-war, and we have to do it faster than anyone has ever done it before, mid-war. And we have to do it all, without fucking up any of it too bad that we can't recover from it. People just don't realize how massive the challenge that is before us is. Which is probably for the best, because if they did, most would give up. After the war is over, some of these things can be implemented as reforms to the system that exists. But the system has to exist from day 1, and that means it has to be simple and fast and able to be done with as few requirements as possible.
>We can leave nonwhites alone if they don't interfere with our empire
The cycle keeps repeating, and wypipo never learn their lesson, it seems. The natives must be conquered and dominated and then ethnically cleansed as quickly and as gently as is possible. It's like you want to set up eager populations for the Corruptionites to nest in and turn against us.
(06-03-2023, 09:45 PM)Carbide Wrote: >We should administer genetic tests and do advanced retroviral bioengineering on untermenschen!
Not a realistic proposal. This is the proposal that someone would make up if they were wanting to paralyze a decision making body into doing nothing. Whereas a quick and dirty sorting method involving a couple of simple field expedient tests to screen out contacts and hair dye, and some rudimentary intelligence tests like reciting a sequence of numbers backwards and a 1 page raven's matrix test taken in 10 minutes is implementable and is good enough for government work. I guess talking about hypothetical situations without knowing your hypothetical capabilities can be daunting. I always assumed that we could only execute such things after we have won—complete control of everything. To be specific we would cut off the medical industry propped up entirely for sustaining the life of the elderly and crippled(and using it for our own goals). Also we would only be implementing this to those who would have children(young people). It’s less about the feasibility of a hypothetical and more about the proposed out come. Transmutation of lead to gold.
I like Iceland levels of population density but also like the idea of more accessible human labor(I feel the former situation and not yours would be best at maximizing this).
Quote:The issue, for me, is that I have a very specific vision of the future (which of course may not be accurate at all to what will actually transpire). The Ancient Regime will put aside their differences immediately to crush the Amarnites once they realize what we are. We have to do the sorting mid-war. We have to implement a circular economy mid-war. We have to recruit and grow at an ungodly pace mid-war. We have to do everything mid-war, and we have to do it faster than anyone has ever done it before, mid-war. And we have to do it all, without fucking up any of it too bad that we can't recover from it. People just don't realize how massive the challenge that is before us is. Which is probably for the best, because if they did, most would give up. After the war is over, some of these things can be implemented as reforms to the system that exists. But the system has to exist from day 1, and that means it has to be simple and fast and able to be done with as few requirements as possible.
Which state do we coup and take over for a ww3 situation? Also unless it has immortals or “Old Ones” is it really ancient(the regime)?
Quote:>We can leave nonwhites alone if they don't interfere with our empire
The cycle keeps repeating, and wypipo never learn their lesson, it seems. The natives must be conquered and dominated and then ethnically cleansed as quickly and as gently as is possible. It's like you want to set up eager populations for the Corruptionites to nest in and turn against us.
So true!
(06-03-2023, 09:45 PM)Carbide Wrote: Not a realistic proposal. It was not meant to be "realistic". I'm inviting you to think further than some small-minded bureaucrat's vision of a quick clean-up of unwanted elements.
Actually, none of what you're describing sounds realistic. What exactly is this government that will have to implement eugenics mid-war? When and where will we build that, if at the same time, our enemies will immediately fight us once they feel threatened by us?
I would suggest to everybody here to understand the forum as a workshop to refine our ideas rather than a planning bureau for implementable action. Let your decision-making body be paralysed by utopian visions.
(06-03-2023, 09:45 PM)Carbide Wrote: >We can leave nonwhites alone if they don't interfere with our empire I wrote natives specifically, because I am thinking in terms of a nature reserve, not in terms of the country of South Africa. I also think you're confused about our history - none of the formerly colonialised peoples would have become a problem for the West without the incessant support of our own economies. The enemy is clearly at home, not in Africa.
(05-30-2023, 07:56 PM)victor Wrote: I suspect redheads are needy because they have higher pain thresholds. Could this also be why some of you don't like redheaded males? (less pain -> some personality thing you don't like?)
My comment was on purely aesthetic grounds
Some populations might be worth keeping around for labor, but at some point (especially re space colonization) automation should take over a good deal of labor.
The issue with “leaving them alone” is that they will eventually attempt to interfere with our empire if left alone to grow and develop unless said non-whites are bombed into the stone age. A white country reclaiming itself is alone bound to elicit an immense wave of hatred from already resentment-filled non-white nations. Imagine their reactions to seeing their cousins kicked out into the ocean and put into camps by the evil white man. Now imagine their reactions if we were to go further.
Maybe you could call it the “Eren Yeager dilemma”. Do we leave behind certain survivors to rebuild and exact revenge for what we did to their ancestors? Or do we exterminate or otherwise totally cripple them so that they can never again pose a threat to us. The world is already horrifically overpopulated and I see no reason to leave behind anyone to continue taking up potential living space or to pose a threat. The latter option is how we attain final victory.
(06-07-2023, 12:22 AM)Elfenlied Wrote: Some populations might be worth keeping around for labor, but at some point (especially re space colonization) automation should take over a good deal of labor.
The issue with “leaving them alone” is that they will eventually attempt to interfere with our empire if left alone to grow and develop unless said non-whites are bombed into the stone age. A white country reclaiming itself is alone bound to elicit an immense wave of hatred from already resentment-filled non-white nations. Imagine their reactions to seeing their cousins kicked out into the ocean and put into camps by the evil white man. Now imagine their reactions if we were to go further.
Maybe you could call it the “Eren Yeager dilemma”. Do we leave behind certain survivors to rebuild and exact revenge for what we did to their ancestors? Or do we exterminate or otherwise totally cripple them so that they can never again pose a threat to us. The world is already horrifically overpopulated and I see no reason to leave behind anyone to continue taking up potential living space or to pose a threat. The latter option is how we attain final victory.
I don't believe it would function as you are presenting it. That resentment is growing now, because there is no force being applied to those types. If they were "shown the door" in whatever sense, the others would simply fall in line. It's in their nature to do so. It always has been.
Furthermore, there is not much loyalty amongst these types in times of conflict. See India versus the British. See China...even without foreign interference. Do not see Africa, because why even look?
In short: Passivity breeds boldness in these types. Because there is no demonstration of consequence, no weight to the disparity that exists. When weight is added to disparity again, then all things will simply fall into place (largely.) Revolutionary figures etc. may still arise, but these are exceptions among a blood-type. And they can be utilized easily, or dealt with strictly, depending on the goals at the moment.
Many would argue (at a time like this especially) that strictness is best, and I'm in agreeance generally. But as time goes on, memory will fade and the cycle will start anew. Even the better of men will forget if they do not see it. History...is hard to remember.
I forget who I should reply to but re: the jews are the problem (not nogs!)
This implies that the jews are a sort of mutation quirk but while everyone was a mutation at one point they survive just as a permanently lucky straggler. They might rather be suctioned into a particular niche that exists within large empires where it is worthwhile for a minority to become really inbred for some arcane biology-level internal trust/politics reasons and start ruining everything when their parasitic tendencies start to fall outside the stable context.
If jews2 comes out and you still have nogs they might use the nogs. Might not be feasible if the nogs end up really low population compared to the whites.
lmao, jews will just race-mix out of existence like whitoids, they're already at it
(06-09-2023, 04:22 AM)Guest Wrote: lmao, jews will just race-mix out of existence like whitoids, they're already at it
"The average North-Eastern Jew is with an Asian 3."
>lmao, jews will just race-mix out of existence like whitoids, they're already at it
The point being that the phenomenon might not be specific to them. If the thing the jews do happens again but with like turks or belgians or specific peripherally noble clans, then you shouldn't leave ammunition around for these people who develop the jewish racial phenomenon.
(05-11-2023, 02:25 PM)Carbide Wrote: (05-06-2023, 09:20 PM)Handi Wrote: I didn't misread it, it says less than 105 IQ Icelandic can have 12 children. While say 130 IQ Occitanian can only have 2. This is a very superficial and imbecilic form of eugenics. IQ is much much harder to change than making the hair 4% lighter. Yep. What a great plan! Let us all bow before White rappers.
Iceland isn't even the most Nordic nation. Relatively high amounts of Alpinids with less-than-desirable phenotypes.
Why are you so concerned about Icelandics who are only 300,000 in number? The largest castes will be Ironbloods and Steelcastes, numbering in the millions and having 6-12 children each, easily restoring our pan-racial numbers in one generation and reversing a century of dysgenic schemes by jews and other brown eyed """Occitanians.""" Cast your brown eyes down to the pavement and be happy you have an ethnostate and are being permitted for your bloodline to be cleansed back into Aryan purity at all. You have literally nothing to complain about in this scheme with two children and grand children of a higher caste. This is the path that leads to the stars.
People of the historical caliber of Goebbels, Louis XIII or the Grand Duke of Alba ould only be allowed 2 children, meanwhile say a Norwegian rapper with 88 IQ can be allowed to have 6, decided rather arbitrarily on traits such as eye colour that gather no biological advantages or disadvantages, whores like JK Rowling are near the top on one hand while Ramiro de Maetzu is at the bottom.
"Muh Slavs reeee"
Okay, now that the most ridiculous bits are out of the way, let's see:
I'm a firm believer that form follows function. Select for good functioning, and form follows. There's no need for some caste system (more like a breeding scheme in this case) or whatever that would just place more failure points and demand special institutions and decision bodies and enforcement and whatnot. Cumbersome and generates unnecessary tension.
A simple sorting mechanism works, and people already *know* what is good deep down. This is where eugenics becomes very, very accessible - implementable *right now*: embryo selection. It basically is a thing already, all it needs is to be universalized. Much, much simpler, and because the selection never ends - regression to the mean will be negated, as the mean itself rises. Sure, the process is a bit expensive, but... How much money is wasted on treating the obese, nigger welfare, AIDS medication etc etc? Cut that off and reroute into what is quite literally the only real type of "welfare."
If we're gonna go with cool-but-unrealistic proposals, though? Harvest all Human DNA from everyone alive, even ancient DNA. Gather all genes into a massive database. Invest in artificial wombs and artificial parthenogenesis. Options to instantly "hardwire" all necessary information into the brain (instant and indirect learning/education).
Then, once this is completed, simply flip a switch and stop caring that Shaniqua has 15 kids by 8 fathers by the age of 30, since you can flip a switch and literally print out 3000 ultra-Aryan 4-digit IQ 10 foot tall gorilla strength Gigachads or whatever a month per facility or whatever. Just expand the scheme until these vat people literally replace everyone or inject their overwhelmingly superior genes over and over into the general population
+1 to embryo selection. Literally the only counter I've heard is that you might select out something really good but latent that always camouflages as a runt embryo. Which makes me think that it seems as though all the bad gut reactions to eugenics have a root in the fear of everyone becoming the same thing.
Cloning is based, and is the most propaganda-defensible legal option in the liberal democratic coup-incomplete regime. It doesn't work yet though. When it works, it is a good option.
There are some possible issues, but only applicable at great scale. I suspect that there are more complexities to collective inter-generational biology. Aidan MacLear mentions sexual manorial-ism as some kind of hypothesis about biologically destined lovers. Imagine if recombination isn't quite so random under ancestral conditions and stable long-lived clans cycle genes around between them to establish stable political structures and keep some genes around in varied proportions. A woman can smell really good if she has MHC complexes different than your own. I imagine that natural patterns of psychology and sexuality are constantly attempting to reassert themselves through identification of kinship distances. Flooding the market with aryan gigachad supersoldiers might cause unforeseen issues for existing approximations of those same people who have some sort of latent structure to their breeding.
On the other hand, the clones will definitely identify their twins as kin and this could lead to the formation of a strong collective ego.
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