Why Untermensch?

[Muskox]

Frisians, from my studies, are the most pure of the Nordic ethnic subgroups, no traces of Celtic admixture (Franconians and Saxons (of both England and Germany)), no traces of Roman admixture (Swabians and Bavarians), no traces of Uralic admixture (Scandinavians and Austrians), and especially no traces of Slavic admixture (East Germans, particularly in Brandenburg and Upper Saxony are significantly Slavic).

Ironically the ancient Frisii were arguably Celts who were entirely replaced. I think you're right, though. I have some Frisian ancestry and the people in that part of my family look like they could easily be Scandinavian, with no Asiatic features.

[Guest]

What's so special about Icelandic's? What makes them any different from any other northern european ethnicity? (other than the fact that many of them look like mongoloids)

They are the purest Nordic ethnicity, and will be a big injection of racial purity into the first generation of heavily polluted genestock from centuries of imperial adventuring and jewish schemes.

I will maintain racially pure reservations of Icelandics and Irish and Finns, but everybody else is getting BLEACHED.com

[Carbide]

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What's so special about Icelandic's? What makes them any different from any other northern european ethnicity? (other than the fact that many of them look like mongoloids)

Their 'Nordicness' is over-embellished, they are at least 30% Alpinid through Celtic brides taken by Norse settlers in the Middle Ages. If you were to replace Icelandic on the chart with Frisians I would take no issue.

Frisians, from my studies, are the most pure of the Nordic ethnic subgroups, no traces of Celtic admixture (Franconians* and Saxons (of both England and Germany)), no traces of Roman admixture (Swabians and Bavarians), no traces of Uralic admixture (Scandinavians and Austrians), and especially no traces of Slavic admixture (East Germans, particularly in Brandenburg and Upper Saxony are significantly Slavic).

*(My definition of Franconian stretches from Middle West Germany, Belgium and South Holland, and Northeastern France as traditional territory of the Frankish Kingdom)

Can you back this up with evidence? They're taller but are they blonder and bluer? Icelandics have the trifecta of being physically large, blonder, and bluer-eyed.
P.S. Guest post was me (obviousy).

[Guest]

Chances are you are the untermensch. That's it.

[anthony]

Chances are you are the untermensch. That's it.

When I saw a Guest post in this thread I thought we might have another interesting one. Instead we got you.

[Guest]

Chances are you are the untermensch. That's it.

When I saw a Guest post in this thread I thought we might have another interesting one. Instead we got you.

The pain that made you post this betrays your fears of being indeed what you despise.

[Lohengrin]

Can you back this up with evidence? They're taller but are they blonder and bluer? Icelandics have the trifecta of being physically large, blonder, and bluer-eyed.
P.S. Guest post was me (obviousy).

I don't deny their status being Nordic but I never found any evidence for them being the most Nordic. In fact, I still consider Iceland to be one of the most beautiful countries remaining in Europe and thankful their immigrant population is so low, with only less than 10% of it being Polish. I also won't deny that Celts have large Nordic substrates of their own but Alpinids are still quite common in Ireland.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1287529/

We present findings based on a study of Y-chromosome diallelic and microsatellite variation in 181 Icelanders, 233 Scandinavians, and 283 Gaels from Ireland and Scotland. All but one of the Icelandic Y chromosomes belong to haplogroup 1 (41.4%), haplogroup 2 (34.2%), or haplogroup 3 (23.8%). We present phylogenetic networks of Icelandic Y-chromosome variation, using haplotypes constructed from seven diallelic markers and eight microsatellite markers, and we propose two new clades. We also report, for the first time, the phylogenetic context of the microsatellite marker DYS385 in Europe. A comparison of haplotypes based on six diallelic loci and five microsatellite loci indicates that some Icelandic haplogroup-1 chromosomes are likely to have a Gaelic origin, whereas for most Icelandic haplogroup-2 and -3 chromosomes, a Scandinavian origin is probable. The data suggest that 20%–25% of Icelandic founding males had Gaelic ancestry, with the remainder having Norse ancestry. The closer relationship with the Scandinavian Y-chromosome pool is supported by the results of analyses of genetic distances and lineage sharing. These findings contrast with results based on mtDNA data, which indicate closer matrilineal links with populations of the British Isles. This supports the model, put forward by some historians, that the majority of females in the Icelandic founding population had Gaelic ancestry, whereas the majority of males had Scandinavian ancestry.

(I don't have all my files on hand but of ones I still have available here is a sample)
K13 and G25 results commonly show their affinity towards Celts though as stated earlier this is not unique to the Germanic nations, as we all suffer foreign underclasses that mingle with our genetics, Germany with Mediterraneans far in the south (overexaggerated but still there) and Slavs to the east (very overlooked), England with Celtics sprung about but especially outside former Danelaw territory, Scandinavia is very prone to Uralic admixture especially in the north.

However to defend Icelandics, all reports of alleged Native American Indian admixture is false, I have never found any evidence for it but I can imagine a single Skraeling from Vinland was brought over, probably female. They are also very lactose tolerant and lactose persistent, contra maps that commonly state otherwise. Lactose persistence is a trait that should be examined more as it is strongest with Nordic/Germanic populations. They also possess a language that's relatively intact and close to Old Norse, being able to read Viking sagas with little issue.

Again, I don't dispute their status as a Nordic/Germanic nation but I don't believe they hold any uniqueness or preeminence among any of our populations. For further research, please refer to the Blaze the Movie Fan YouTube channel I commonly perform anthropological studies on.

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Chances are you are the untermensch. That's it.

When I saw a Guest post in this thread I thought we might have another interesting one. Instead we got you.

The pain that made you post this betrays your fears of being indeed what you despise.

I am going to rape you.

[anthony]

Chances are you are the untermensch. That's it.

When I saw a Guest post in this thread I thought we might have another interesting one. Instead we got you.

The pain that made you post this betrays your fears of being indeed what you despise.

You said the first post was it. You're no longer pithy so you might as well elaborate now.

[Guest]

Chances are you are the untermensch. That's it.

When I saw a Guest post in this thread I thought we might have another interesting one. Instead we got you.

The pain that made you post this betrays your fears of being indeed what you despise.

You said the first post was it. You're no longer pithy so you might as well elaborate now.

Only you can.

[anthony]

Only you can.

You're writing like there's a great intellectual power behind these short posts that we should all take for granted, but I don't see why we should. You're the Guest here. What I think is written all over this site.

[Guest]

I am going to rape you.

Empty words.

You're writing like there's a great intellectual power behind these short posts that we should all take for granted, but I don't see why we should. You're the Guest here. What I think is written all over this site.

I am merely exhorting you to consider a possibility. My claim is simple.

[BillyONare]

Imho Swedes are the master race; Carbide’s world is acceptable though.

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Redheads should have a lot of kids too, because it is a rare color.

[Grimm]

Perhaps pushing the realm of science fiction but it is nonetheless a future possibility: space colonisation. 
In the scenario after we Win and are in full control of all operations, we will want to pursue space exploration; however, we will inevitably need dispensable human capital. Normally I am in favour of keeping space colonies eugenically pure, and I'll argue this should be respected for nearby planets such as Mars -- But in some scenarios it may be more cost-effective to throw Untermensch at certain frontiers to "prepare" them for proper settlement. 
Though arguably I can't see a scenario where it wouldn't be more effective to dedicate the task to intelligent and capable people, but I am playing Devil's Advocate, Untermensch might prove useful for their r-selection behaviour, it would be no different than say, sending some kind of extremophile fungus to a hostile environment to seed it with life. 
This would only be possible if we're willing to wait long enough until space colonisation becomes viable and that we let them exist in the meantime. 

In a similar vein, they can be used for any kind of human scientific experimentation. Would this be a convincing reason enough? I'd feel guilty about exiling Aryans onto a space station purely for the sake of experimentation, but for Indians I wouldn't.

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>Le who is white?
I'm going to implement a caste system. The purest nordics are empowered with subsidies to have more children than the most mongrelized who can still be called white. It's not difficult.
Sons can marry a caste below them, daughters can marry a caste above them, and each child is judged separately from siblings and parents. No need for genetic testing (but we'll still do it to find cryptojews).
In a few generations everyone is very highly nordic.

Caste systems shouldn't be implemented, they can be tempting but they're counter-productive and don't achieve anything in practice. If you want racial purity exile or genocide have been proven to be effective. Dedicating a social status and the responsibility to have 18 children to Icelandics won't make their numbers multiply in any significant manner, however dedicating a large space of fertile land, say an emptied South America for example, to your desired race will be a sure way to make people multiply. I often wonder what certain continents would turn out like if they were colonised from a blank slate by certain nations... Sweden, Finland...

[Guest]

In a similar vein, they can be used for any kind of human scientific experimentation. Would this be a convincing reason enough? I'd feel guilty about exiling Aryans onto a space station purely for the sake of experimentation, but for Indians I wouldn't.

If you send Indians to space, you end up with Indians in space. I think this is self-explanative enough. Even for initial trips, you needed people of certain ability to take care of any fires that might spring up during the process. Guilt doesn't really enter the equation since...there are always people (of all types? Maybe. But of higher types certainly) who will wish to go where few or none have gone before.

The other problem with this train of thought is our current framework of biological understanding. I am not sure how similar biology is between types. Even closely-related types may have vastly different biologies. We just don't know. The map of the human body, mind, intangibles, is still very loose and unknown. 

I know that the modern world proudly boasts that it can do X and Y to a human. We can slam people with test, and make them massive. Sure. Similar with GH. But growth of muscles is one thing, other ends are another. How would one make an organism more curious? And is it desirable? Or more this or more that. There are nootropics that help with memory, but is there a point where memory becomes more a burden than a benefit? I don't know.

There might be some merit to selecting the best from various types to see how performance ends up in some isolated field. I'm not particularly against it, since exceptions might give exceptional specificities. It's not my natural conclusion, but it's not very costly to do something like this, and it might be good for morale of all types during those intermediate times...or obfuscated times, depending on your understanding of the process.

My natural conclusion is that biology will be left behind. Eternal Recurrence will lead to a similar distribution we saw long ago. And then similar patterns of expansion, civilization. I can hardly see any brothers or comrades in those who are of impressive, similar blood. I have seen what people do as time goes on, that ugly submission, and it spares few -- since few demand to be spared. Chaos is random, and chaos is ever-present. Rot will set chaos deep in the blood-lines of all. What makes it out will likely not be so consciously chosen, and likely will have a distribution. Pure survival entails that any who fight the Rot will form alliances with those who are doing the same. Not necessarily "living together". But engaging in trade, etc. Until the time when divergence leads to those who have splintered having enough strength to again tame vast swathes of land. Then most alliances break, and conquest begins again.

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@The_Author posting as a guest.

[Carbide]

Imho Swedes are the master race; Carbide’s world is acceptable though.

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Redheads should have a lot of kids too, because it is a rare color.

Honestly I find redheads to be irresistibly hot, but every redhead I have ever known has been a whore. So I consider them bad for me in the same way that candy is bad for me. I think it's okay if redheads go extinct and we remember them fondly for their looks, without having to know any in real life. We'll always have hair dye if we want to play pretend.

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Perhaps pushing the realm of science fiction but it is nonetheless a future possibility: space colonisation. 
In the scenario after we Win and are in full control of all operations, we will want to pursue space exploration; however, we will inevitably need dispensable human capital. Normally I am in favour of keeping space colonies eugenically pure, and I'll argue this should be respected for nearby planets such as Mars -- But in some scenarios it may be more cost-effective to throw Untermensch at certain frontiers to "prepare" them for proper settlement. 
Though arguably I can't see a scenario where it wouldn't be more effective to dedicate the task to intelligent and capable people, but I am playing Devil's Advocate, Untermensch might prove useful for their r-selection behaviour, it would be no different than say, sending some kind of extremophile fungus to a hostile environment to seed it with life. 
This would only be possible if we're willing to wait long enough until space colonisation becomes viable and that we let them exist in the meantime. 

In a similar vein, they can be used for any kind of human scientific experimentation. Would this be a convincing reason enough? I'd feel guilty about exiling Aryans onto a space station purely for the sake of experimentation, but for Indians I wouldn't.

There will always be an underclass. But the underclass in space can be 15-30 IQ points higher average (relative to present), and all white. We must do what we can now; changes in civilizational and world orders don't come along but once every few centuries. Get all the nasty housekeeping out of the way upfront so you can settle down and get /calm/ legitimacy points in the latter half of your reign.

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Caste systems shouldn't be implemented, they can be tempting but they're counter-productive and don't achieve anything in practice. If you want racial purity exile or genocide have been proven to be effective. Dedicating a social status and the responsibility to have 18 children to Icelandics won't make their numbers multiply in any significant manner, however dedicating a large space of fertile land, say an emptied South America for example, to your desired race will be a sure way to make people multiply. I often wonder what certain continents would turn out like if they were colonised from a blank slate by certain nations... Sweden, Finland...

The point of castes is to be gentler with your ethnic cleansing. Genocide of brown eyed whites is just excessively cruel. Whereas putting them on a one child policy and giving them all the resources they need to make their one child the best he can be and marry a green eyed girl is not cruel at all and still solves the problem. Though you do have a point with creating open country for the blend of racial qualities you like to reproduce in. It's something to think on, but as a supplement, not a replacement.

[victor]

KaliACC-ers hypothesized one of the main reasons behind keeping a ghetto around is to churn through a lot of generations, reveal the potential of novel mutations. (and those existing genes re-contextualized by recombination) There is doubt as to whether this worthwhile once you have efficient ways to simulate genetics with computers, if the ghetto is not also playing some statecraft role like suppressing an otherwise potentially rebellious middle class. Of course, the simulation of genetics can't foresee everything because it is not a complete representation of reality- the ghetto evolutionary fast-forward may reveal an answer to a question nobody thought to ask.

In a similar vein, I would suggest holding back on quick-filtering the genes of the underclass within one or two generations. While you could always clone those genetics from samples if they have some unique potential revealed in another instance, you expend regime stability the greater your eugenic pressure. You'll have to do the math yourself when you have the numbers.

For instance, the sort of traits we will seek out to birth geniuses in a 115-130 avg IQ society will be something other than IQ as it is presently measured, as we see more examples of true genius to calibrate upon. One may find the relevant genetics are dangerous outside a high-IQ context, like how schizophrenics tend to be lower IQ deviations from their close relatives.

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The space pre-colonization idea appeals to me because this would be a great excuse to have endless worlds to conquer whenever worlds on the ever-expanding frontier rebel. Victories in history are not enough for me. Video games of victory are not enough for me. I know that if the full essence of my true self exists in a space empire citizen, he will need hope of eventual combat in a reasonably organic form. I understand on some level that this desire for the seizing of great things ought to be subservient to the desire to preserve great things themselves. In any case, a problem for the victors.

It might not mean much anyway because the surface of the lightcone doesn't grow as fast as the volume in the lightcone and absent new physics he may never reach the frontier from a big part of the inner lightcone.

[Guest]

Imho Swedes are the master race; Carbide’s world is acceptable though.

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Redheads should have a lot of kids too, because it is a rare color.

as a libertarian what's your opinion of this? are swedes natural longhoused collectivist ? https://twitter.com/kunley_drukpa/status...2842696704
https://twitter.com/kunley_drukpa/status...5053115394
https://twitter.com/kunley_drukpa/status...9679514625
https://twitter.com/kunley_drukpa/status...8406703106
https://twitter.com/kunley_drukpa/status...6151473153
https://twitter.com/kunley_drukpa/status...7415819266

is just thread about sweden and how its society is collectivist and egalitarian where there is not sense of individuality and its government tries to put everyone in a grey and boring middle and where people wash its clothes in communal laundries  https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/16602...97153.html

[Muskox]

What we need to do is figure out a way to ensure that redheads are only female.

[victor]

Oh yeah on the topic of redheads being whores: so what? If you've got a good society you can control that into irrelevance.

I suspect redheads are needy because they have higher pain thresholds. Could this also be why some of you don't like redheaded males? (less pain -> some personality thing you don't like?)

[Hamamelis]

Per my usual policy, I barely read the thread so far - however, it seems to have derailed into a discussion of Nürnberger Rassengesetze-type of eugenic laws. I would propose that in WWWW, we do something more imaginative than simply taking a picture and an IQ test to find out who gets to bang 10/10 qt3.14s until his sack runs dry.

By now, we can do cheap genotyping, we can do GWAS for many diseases, disorders and personality types, we can to some light (or heavy) genetic engineering... let your fantasies run wild! Only people who have markers for high physical performance, body height 1SD above mean, high intelligence and good looks, good personality; and no markers for obesity, criminality, high agreeableness (for men, low for women), will be allowed to breed freely, the rest will have to undergo experimental germ line manipulations to make their children into the best they could be.

As for the thread-initiating question, I think there can be a good argument to let natives be, as long as they don't interfere with colonial business.