Zoomers
#41
(10-09-2022, 11:56 PM)Milk Wrote: I think you vastly underestimate the potential harm of YA in your last paragraph, while relaxation is definitely healthy and necessary its important to insure the mode of relaxation isn't harmful; I don't know if you're aware of how many ugly women were inspired by Harry Potter and the Hunger Games to fight the hecking patriarchy but its shockingly common. A pretty large amount of YA IS indeed full of leftist dogshit, homosex fantasies, and cognitive dissonance inducing portrayals of reality.

This. If anything, the child's reading selection should be carefully curated until he or she is past the vulnerability of childhood and can properly dissociate fiction from reality. There's a staggering amount of propaganda and delusion in the general fiction genre, and too many authors let their opinions influence their works, even to the extent of treating the main characters as mouthpieces. Even so called "RW" literature can suffer from this (for example, for reasons unknown and incomprehensible to me, I've seen someone describe wheel of time as rightist literature one would recommend for children, which is myopic at best and retarded at worst).
#42
(02-14-2022, 05:39 PM)Sharmat Wrote: I promised to make a thread on changes in Zoomers during the covid period on the previous forum but I think it would be better to open up the discussion a bit; something akin to a general discussion would be more fitting for a first thread. Let's discuss these points in particular:
  • What defines Zoomers culturally as a generation as opposed to Millennials and Boomers?
  • What do Zoomers value politically/what ideas will captivate Zoomers in the foreseeable future?
  • What is the Zoomer attitude towards religion? 
  • How has Zoomer identity developed throughout Covid?
  • Your own personal assessment of the generation and it's potential.

I'll start by discussing the ideas Zoomers value and their religion, since they're intertwined topics. In terms of religion, I think Zoomers are completely post-conventional religion. Even those who nominally adhere to Christianity, Islam, etc. all believe in God as a sort of pantheistic force, though it's unlikely they'll ever mention God particularly.

Many will talk about nature or the universe in the same pantheist way, and I think this plays into the environmentalist belief that is so common in Zoomers. Many really do view the world as both a unified organism and an arbiter of cosmic judgement in an impersonal manner. Spirituality that deals with impersonal forces is generally the only form which has any genuine believers, most notably being astrology.

In terms of their beliefs, I think one thing to get out of the way is that I don't actually think they're "le edgy nihilist" generation. I think this is an image constructed by gen x executives in particular who project their idea of cutting edge thought onto the youth in movies and shows like Euphoria. Gen Z seems to me to at least be as genuine as millennials are, if not more. I think the issue is mostly that they're beliefs are very ephemeral and change with the latest establishment position, so it comes off as disingenuous. That and the general ability to separate irony and sarcasm from genuine conversation sometimes.

I think Zoomers care about bleeding edge aesthetics and bombastic leaders much more than millennials do. I also think there's a very cautious aspiration for freedom and positive-oriented futurism which gets expressed in Musk dudebro sentiments, but many are also active apocalypticists. This isnt necessarily an inherent trait to the generation, and it could possibly be residue of millennial influence.


What defines Zoomers culturally as a generation as opposed to Millennials and Boomers?

The Internet. Specifically, zoomers are the first generation to grow up immersed in the modern internet since early childhood. Obviously Millennials grew up on the old internet, but the qualitative difference between looking at shock sites after school and being plugged into a massive digital skinner box 24/7 is so stark as to make it more or less impossible for the average Milennial to understand the zoomer experience. It really cannot be understated how influential the internet is in shaping zoomer culture. Sure they exhibit more extreme versions of many of the values and problems of earlier generations, but it's always filtered through the net. Even when they crib aesthetics and cultural production from older generations (something zoomers do often, given the stagnation of contemporary culture) it's always filtered through the hyper-stylized memeplex of the modern internet. Everything is optimized for the attention economy, and so the way in which zoomers tend to engage with serious issues is by way of aesthetics & platitudes. Even the long-form political content that's popular among zoomers is like this. Look at long-form breadtube video essays or hours-long "debate" streams and you'll be shocked by how little substance there is. It's all spectacle.

What do Zoomers value politically/what ideas will captivate Zoomers in the foreseeable future?
The Internet has kind of inculcated zoomers with a sort of cartesian view of the self. Since so much of their socialization and "self-expression" takes place in nonphysical spaces, it's not very surprising to see that zoomers view their "true self" as something totally separable from their bodies (trannies being the obvious example). They also have a strong affinity for what might be called an ethic of liberation. That is, they seek to free themselves from any and all constraints on their self-expression. The implications of these sentiments are pretty obviously transhumanistic (emphasis on trans). There will probably continue to be a reactionary undercurrent, mostly among disaffected young men, but it will remain an undercurrent.


What is the Zoomer attitude towards religion? 
I think you're more or less correct that zoomers have abandoned traditional religion (aside from the aforementioned reactionary undercurrent, where we often see the opposite). Zoomers are spiritual in a way that follows from their idolization of self-expression. Very pagan, very emotive, very feminine, very syncretist, and very anti-intellectual. Zoomers also engage with spirituality the way they engage with everything, by way of internet aesthetics. To adopt spiritual beliefs is to inhabit some memetic archetype. I guess its sort of inevitable. One kind of has to LARP if one's society has no hegemonic, unquestioned set of religious beliefs (I'm not not speaking of religion in the broad sense that NrX types do here, though that kind of language can have its place, so something like progressivism doesn't count).



How has Zoomer identity developed throughout Covid?
The same but worse in my experience. I think Covid only exacerbated the neuroticism, misery, etc of my generation. It didn't add anything particularly new. 

Overall I don't have much hope for zoomers. I can't see my generation turning things around of our own volition.
#43
Zoomers exist to donate women to millennials.
#44
(10-19-2022, 05:15 PM)Longface from Tunisbay Wrote: Zoomers exist to donate women to millennials.

Kind of a real point, the more power is stolen from youth, especially male youth, the more sexually cruel and zero sum the sexual world is going to get.
#45
[Video: https://youtu.be/GZQ3G6-8Q0A?t=410]
#46
(10-23-2022, 07:58 PM)BillyONare Wrote: [Video: https://youtu.be/GZQ3G6-8Q0A?t=410]

For me it's the ESL video title. Is that because it was uploaded by an ESL, or is this just how you market to them?

Quote:CLIX Finally Gets His FIRST KISS On LIVE STREAM After ANDREW TATE HELP HIM! (Clix X Andrew Tate)
Fascinating.
#47
(10-23-2022, 07:58 PM)BillyONare Wrote: [Video: https://youtu.be/GZQ3G6-8Q0A?t=410]

Everything about this is disgusting, the copy pasted title and thumbnail, the way they talk, the unattractive bimbo-looking girl, the shirtless quadroom "coaching", the man on the left sometimes yelling into the webcam, Vyper's willingness to broadcast his attempt at his first kiss on the internet, I find it defiling. Your relationship, which should be a wholly private matter, is now "content" on the internet for braindead zoomer to build 'parasocial' relationships with you. "Content" is the degenerated equivalent of diner table talks or hanging out with your friends in highschool, which is why it's popular, everyone can relate! Everyone's included! Makes me sick, it would have been better if the internet was only for social outcasts and nobody talked about their offline lives.
#48
Wired makes great points. Zoomers (myself included) do seem to be living through something close to the telos of the Cartesian worldview that was instigated over half a millennium ago. Heidegger claimed that Descartes was a fraud when he claimed that the world was a matter of subject and object, but the internet makes that REAL. When you interact on your computer or mobile phone, you are in a REAL subject-object situation.

Now, many Zoomers have recognised the errors of their situation, but what path will they take? For those of them who think, there seem to be three answers.
Marxism, "Traditionalism" and possibly Heideggerianism?
Marxism is Marxism, I don't feel like discoursing on it much, maybe someone else can pick up after me on it.
"Traditionalism" I put in quotes as it's a very broad term, and also that it can be confused with the Traditionalist school of philosophy which is only one facet of "Traditionalism."
Heideggerianism I insert simply because I see it as a sort of alternative to theologically induced "Traditionalism." I think that those who stick to paths like Fascism may go down this path, but I'm more likely talking out of my arse.
#49
(10-23-2022, 08:56 PM)Verily Dow Wrote:
(10-23-2022, 07:58 PM)BillyONare Wrote: [Video: https://youtu.be/GZQ3G6-8Q0A?t=410]

Everything about this is disgusting, the copy pasted title and thumbnail, the way they talk, the unattractive bimbo-looking girl, the shirtless quadroom "coaching", the man on the left sometimes yelling into the webcam, Vyper's willingness to broadcast his attempt at his first kiss on the internet, I find it defiling. Your relationship, which should be a wholly private matter, is now "content" on the internet for braindead zoomer to build 'parasocial' relationships with you. "Content" is the degenerated equivalent of diner table talks or hanging out with your friends in highschool, which is why it's popular, everyone can relate! Everyone's included! Makes me sick, it would have been better if the internet was only for social outcasts and nobody talked about their offline lives.

The only people that are actually "terminally online" and awkward are normalfags. One hour on the Amarna Forum is worth one million hours on Instagram.
#50
(10-24-2022, 10:59 AM)chungus Wrote:
(10-23-2022, 08:56 PM)Verily Dow Wrote:
(10-23-2022, 07:58 PM)BillyONare Wrote: [Video: https://youtu.be/GZQ3G6-8Q0A?t=410]

Everything about this is disgusting, the copy pasted title and thumbnail, the way they talk, the unattractive bimbo-looking girl, the shirtless quadroom "coaching", the man on the left sometimes yelling into the webcam, Vyper's willingness to broadcast his attempt at his first kiss on the internet, I find it defiling. Your relationship, which should be a wholly private matter, is now "content" on the internet for braindead zoomer to build 'parasocial' relationships with you. "Content" is the degenerated equivalent of diner table talks or hanging out with your friends in highschool, which is why it's popular, everyone can relate! Everyone's included! Makes me sick, it would have been better if the internet was only for social outcasts and nobody talked about their offline lives.

The only people that are actually "terminally online" and awkward are normalfags. One hour on the Amarna Forum is worth one million hours on Instagram.

This is the reality of the matter. Don't forget it.


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