Zoomers
#41
(02-14-2022, 05:39 PM)Sharmat Wrote: I promised to make a thread on changes in Zoomers during the covid period on the previous forum but I think it would be better to open up the discussion a bit; something akin to a general discussion would be more fitting for a first thread. Let's discuss these points in particular:
  • What defines Zoomers culturally as a generation as opposed to Millennials and Boomers?
  • What do Zoomers value politically/what ideas will captivate Zoomers in the foreseeable future?
  • What is the Zoomer attitude towards religion? 
  • How has Zoomer identity developed throughout Covid?
  • Your own personal assessment of the generation and it's potential.

I'll start by discussing the ideas Zoomers value and their religion, since they're intertwined topics. In terms of religion, I think Zoomers are completely post-conventional religion. Even those who nominally adhere to Christianity, Islam, etc. all believe in God as a sort of pantheistic force, though it's unlikely they'll ever mention God particularly.

Many will talk about nature or the universe in the same pantheist way, and I think this plays into the environmentalist belief that is so common in Zoomers. Many really do view the world as both a unified organism and an arbiter of cosmic judgement in an impersonal manner. Spirituality that deals with impersonal forces is generally the only form which has any genuine believers, most notably being astrology.

In terms of their beliefs, I think one thing to get out of the way is that I don't actually think they're "le edgy nihilist" generation. I think this is an image constructed by gen x executives in particular who project their idea of cutting edge thought onto the youth in movies and shows like Euphoria. Gen Z seems to me to at least be as genuine as millennials are, if not more. I think the issue is mostly that they're beliefs are very ephemeral and change with the latest establishment position, so it comes off as disingenuous. That and the general ability to separate irony and sarcasm from genuine conversation sometimes.

I think Zoomers care about bleeding edge aesthetics and bombastic leaders much more than millennials do. I also think there's a very cautious aspiration for freedom and positive-oriented futurism which gets expressed in Musk dudebro sentiments, but many are also active apocalypticists. This isnt necessarily an inherent trait to the generation, and it could possibly be residue of millennial influence.


What defines Zoomers culturally as a generation as opposed to Millennials and Boomers?

The Internet. Specifically, zoomers are the first generation to grow up immersed in the modern internet since early childhood. Obviously Millennials grew up on the old internet, but the qualitative difference between looking at shock sites after school and being plugged into a massive digital skinner box 24/7 is so stark as to make it more or less impossible for the average Milennial to understand the zoomer experience. It really cannot be understated how influential the internet is in shaping zoomer culture. Sure they exhibit more extreme versions of many of the values and problems of earlier generations, but it's always filtered through the net. Even when they crib aesthetics and cultural production from older generations (something zoomers do often, given the stagnation of contemporary culture) it's always filtered through the hyper-stylized memeplex of the modern internet. Everything is optimized for the attention economy, and so the way in which zoomers tend to engage with serious issues is by way of aesthetics & platitudes. Even the long-form political content that's popular among zoomers is like this. Look at long-form breadtube video essays or hours-long "debate" streams and you'll be shocked by how little substance there is. It's all spectacle.

What do Zoomers value politically/what ideas will captivate Zoomers in the foreseeable future?
The Internet has kind of inculcated zoomers with a sort of cartesian view of the self. Since so much of their socialization and "self-expression" takes place in nonphysical spaces, it's not very surprising to see that zoomers view their "true self" as something totally separable from their bodies (trannies being the obvious example). They also have a strong affinity for what might be called an ethic of liberation. That is, they seek to free themselves from any and all constraints on their self-expression. The implications of these sentiments are pretty obviously transhumanistic (emphasis on trans). There will probably continue to be a reactionary undercurrent, mostly among disaffected young men, but it will remain an undercurrent.


What is the Zoomer attitude towards religion? 
I think you're more or less correct that zoomers have abandoned traditional religion (aside from the aforementioned reactionary undercurrent, where we often see the opposite). Zoomers are spiritual in a way that follows from their idolization of self-expression. Very pagan, very emotive, very feminine, very syncretist, and very anti-intellectual. Zoomers also engage with spirituality the way they engage with everything, by way of internet aesthetics. To adopt spiritual beliefs is to inhabit some memetic archetype. I guess its sort of inevitable. One kind of has to LARP if one's society has no hegemonic, unquestioned set of religious beliefs (I'm not not speaking of religion in the broad sense that NrX types do here, though that kind of language can have its place, so something like progressivism doesn't count).



How has Zoomer identity developed throughout Covid?
The same but worse in my experience. I think Covid only exacerbated the neuroticism, misery, etc of my generation. It didn't add anything particularly new. 

Overall I don't have much hope for zoomers. I can't see my generation turning things around of our own volition.
#42
Zoomers exist to donate women to millennials.
#43
(10-19-2022, 05:15 PM)Longface from Tunisbay Wrote: Zoomers exist to donate women to millennials.

Kind of a real point, the more power is stolen from youth, especially male youth, the more sexually cruel and zero sum the sexual world is going to get.
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#45
(10-23-2022, 07:58 PM)BillyONare Wrote:

For me it's the ESL video title. Is that because it was uploaded by an ESL, or is this just how you market to them?

Quote:CLIX Finally Gets His FIRST KISS On LIVE STREAM After ANDREW TATE HELP HIM! (Clix X Andrew Tate)
Fascinating.
#46
(10-23-2022, 07:58 PM)BillyONare Wrote:

Everything about this is disgusting, the copy pasted title and thumbnail, the way they talk, the unattractive bimbo-looking girl, the shirtless quadroom "coaching", the man on the left sometimes yelling into the webcam, Vyper's willingness to broadcast his attempt at his first kiss on the internet, I find it defiling. Your relationship, which should be a wholly private matter, is now "content" on the internet for braindead zoomer to build 'parasocial' relationships with you. "Content" is the degenerated equivalent of diner table talks or hanging out with your friends in highschool, which is why it's popular, everyone can relate! Everyone's included! Makes me sick, it would have been better if the internet was only for social outcasts and nobody talked about their offline lives.
#47
Wired makes great points. Zoomers (myself included) do seem to be living through something close to the telos of the Cartesian worldview that was instigated over half a millennium ago. Heidegger claimed that Descartes was a fraud when he claimed that the world was a matter of subject and object, but the internet makes that REAL. When you interact on your computer or mobile phone, you are in a REAL subject-object situation.

Now, many Zoomers have recognised the errors of their situation, but what path will they take? For those of them who think, there seem to be three answers.
Marxism, "Traditionalism" and possibly Heideggerianism?
Marxism is Marxism, I don't feel like discoursing on it much, maybe someone else can pick up after me on it.
"Traditionalism" I put in quotes as it's a very broad term, and also that it can be confused with the Traditionalist school of philosophy which is only one facet of "Traditionalism."
Heideggerianism I insert simply because I see it as a sort of alternative to theologically induced "Traditionalism." I think that those who stick to paths like Fascism may go down this path, but I'm more likely talking out of my arse.
#48
(10-24-2022, 10:59 AM)chungus Wrote:
(10-23-2022, 08:56 PM)Verily Dow Wrote:
(10-23-2022, 07:58 PM)BillyONare Wrote:

Everything about this is disgusting, the copy pasted title and thumbnail, the way they talk, the unattractive bimbo-looking girl, the shirtless quadroom "coaching", the man on the left sometimes yelling into the webcam, Vyper's willingness to broadcast his attempt at his first kiss on the internet, I find it defiling. Your relationship, which should be a wholly private matter, is now "content" on the internet for braindead zoomer to build 'parasocial' relationships with you. "Content" is the degenerated equivalent of diner table talks or hanging out with your friends in highschool, which is why it's popular, everyone can relate! Everyone's included! Makes me sick, it would have been better if the internet was only for social outcasts and nobody talked about their offline lives.

The only people that are actually "terminally online" and awkward are normalfags. One hour on the Amarna Forum is worth one million hours on Instagram.

This is the reality of the matter. Don't forget it.
#49
As a zoomer myself, a common generational trait I’ve observed (and in the past followed myself) is a widespread Apocalypticism. I personally knew several people who had fully internalized the “Tedpilled homestead” ideology and made unrealistic plans to escape from society out of a belief collapse was inevitable. One of them even became a park ranger to get as close as possible to that escapism. Both on the left and the right, from moderates trending upwards into extremes, there exists this Apocalypticist ideology. Whether it’s ecological collapse, WEF world, climate change, overpopulation etc, there is a widespread belief that things will get worse continuously, or at least get worse before they get better.

You can blame at least some of the generational anomie on an internalized sense that nothing matters or is worth doing because the world is bad and will only get worse, but to me this doomerism differs from Millennial nihilism in that it is very much genuine. In line with this is a common, though certainly not universal, tech-skepticism i.e “man-made horrors beyond comprehension” memes. Ted K memes reached the mainstream around 2020/2021, and that was something that I observed enforcing the aforementioned tech-skepticism. In line with Ted K, the tech-skepticism I see is again of an almost Apocalypticist variety. As others have mentioned elsewhere, despite growing up surrounded by technology, zoomers are broadly tech-illiterate as well. Perhaps this tech-illiteracy feeds into the tech-skepticism.
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(02-28-2023, 01:57 AM)Guest Wrote: As a zoomer myself, a common generational trait I’ve observed (and in the past followed myself) is a widespread Apocalypticism. I personally knew several people who had fully internalized the “Tedpilled homestead” ideology and made unrealistic plans to escape from society out of a belief collapse was inevitable. One of them even became a park ranger to get as close as possible to that escapism. Both on the left and the right, from moderates trending upwards into extremes, there exists this Apocalypticist ideology. Whether it’s ecological collapse, WEF world, climate change, overpopulation etc, there is a widespread belief that things will get worse continuously, or at least get worse before they get better.

You can blame at least some of the generational anomie on an internalized sense that nothing matters or is worth doing because the world is bad and will only get worse, but to me this doomerism differs from Millennial nihilism in that it is very much genuine. In line with this is a common, though certainly not universal, tech-skepticism i.e “man-made horrors beyond comprehension” memes. Ted K memes reached the mainstream around 2020/2021, and that was something that I observed enforcing the aforementioned tech-skepticism. In line with Ted K, the tech-skepticism I see is again of an almost Apocalypticist variety. As others have mentioned elsewhere, despite growing up surrounded by technology, zoomers are broadly tech-illiterate as well. Perhaps this tech-illiteracy feeds into the tech-skepticism.

A very, very good insight. We are getting to watch, live before our eyes, the process by which a civilization turns its back on its technological achievements and its people returns to the primitive baseline state of the peasant. We saw abandoned and neglected Roman ruins, ignored by shepherds grazing their sheep on the weeds growing up between their cyclopean bricks, and asked "Why? How?" Now Providence has seen fit to teach us the answer to those questions.

If Spengler is right (and I think he is), then the rise of a Caesar-figure might resurrect the spirit and energy of at least some of the men of the West for about a century or so, with some great material projects and conquests (think: a global American Empire, huge mechs, space navy, colonization of Mars, etc.) which will all be spiritually empty and unfulfilling - any attempts at "based" social reform laws will be as impotent and toothless as those of Augustus. But eventually things will probably just degrade into the same state which other decrepit civilizations (e.g. modern India, China, & Arabia, Egypt & Babylon in the Greek Classical Period), that being a mass of primitive, cynical, and thoroughly apolitical though highly and genuinely religious peasants ruled by a vast and sclerotic imperial bureaucracy which is in turn controlled by a small imperial court elite, whose political machinations reduce politics to mere interpersonal squabbles. A good historical example of this would be the Crisis of the Third Century in the Roman Empire. Perhaps Europe shall eventually fall away into barbarism or be absorbed into a rising Russian civilization. Then perhaps the detached remnant American Empire shall become captured from the inside-out by a rising Mexican death-cult culture, in much the same way that the Eastern Romans become spiritually and culturally colonized by the Magian Semites on their borders - but all of that is, at this point, mere speculation, daydreaming really.

The upshot is that such a world of corrupt petty bureaucrats and court intrigue and submissive fellaheen peasants is prime real estate for the kind of world which BAP (who is the last true Classical Man, thoroughly Apollonian and quite un-Faustian in his outlook and preferences) envisions in the final aphorism of his Book, Aphorism LXXVII ("The Star of the Covenant"):
Quote:What is likely then to happen in the long run? I foresee a time, not too far in the future, when the Leviathan will not be able to hold itself together. I expect that the peoples will be able to save themselves from the global slave project that is now promoted. But what will come after is likely to be unsatisfying as well. The nations will escape the danger, but they will return to their peaceful and sheep-like existence. They will need to be protected from getting themselves into the same position as they are now. I believe that at some point, before or after the troubles, the superior specimens are going to find each other and leave this civilization (in this he prophesies the Amarna Forum). They will form fortresses on the edge of the civilized world, in the tropics, from where they will watch the seas. The era of high piracy will return. Such men will develop above all their physical powers and their ability to wage war. They will offer the nations defense in exchange for a price. Occasionally they will send a great demagogue into the peoples, when this becomes necessary. Such men, perched atop these eagles’ nests, will have the territory of a new frontier again, and a life that suits them. Science will be liberated from the constraints of caring for comfort or entertainment. Great projects in science, the projects of private men, will once again begin. Such fortresses will possess frightful weapons to defend themselves, and will have penetrated deep into the nations their antennae and their many emissaries and watchers.
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(02-28-2023, 01:57 AM)Guest Wrote: As a zoomer myself, a common generational trait I’ve observed (and in the past followed myself) is a widespread Apocalypticism. I personally knew several people who had fully internalized the “Tedpilled homestead” ideology and made unrealistic plans to escape from society out of a belief collapse was inevitable. One of them even became a park ranger to get as close as possible to that escapism. Both on the left and the right, from moderates trending upwards into extremes, there exists this Apocalypticist ideology. Whether it’s ecological collapse, WEF world, climate change, overpopulation etc, there is a widespread belief that things will get worse continuously, or at least get worse before they get better.

You can blame at least some of the generational anomie on an internalized sense that nothing matters or is worth doing because the world is bad and will only get worse, but to me this doomerism differs from Millennial nihilism in that it is very much genuine. In line with this is a common, though certainly not universal, tech-skepticism i.e “man-made horrors beyond comprehension” memes. Ted K memes reached the mainstream around 2020/2021, and that was something that I observed enforcing the aforementioned tech-skepticism. In line with Ted K, the tech-skepticism I see is again of an almost Apocalypticist variety. As others have mentioned elsewhere, despite growing up surrounded by technology, zoomers are broadly tech-illiterate as well. Perhaps this tech-illiteracy feeds into the tech-skepticism.

I wouldn't call this Apocalypticism. Knowing the world is going to end is fun, at least psychologically. All historical apocalyptic ideologies were accompanied by a frenzy and assertiveness and, though not always, an excitement at the coming end days. People stop planning ahead, they start traveling more to tell others of the good (or bad) news. Thousands of Millerites severed ties with family over their belief in the imminent 2nd Coming. Paul Ehrlich convinced thousands of student communists to sterilize themselves to prevent world starvation. The ELF burned down housing developments and blew up radio towers believing global warming was going to destroy the planet by 2020. Zoomer nihilism is more akin to the Millerites post-October 22nd 1844; all predictions of societal collapse have fallen flat and now it's all just loafing around. There's no real belief in an apocalypse, just a lack of energy.

Even "Tedpilled homesteaders" aren't serious advocates of ecological meltdown, they're just doing the ideological equivalent to putting their fingers in their ear and yelling: having defendable political positions is hard, so why not just ironically evoke some "based" eco-terrorist and say the whole system SUCKS, man! Do these zoomers genuinely think the world is coming to an end, or are they just betas who couldn't do anything about it anyway? Many zoomers hold very extreme and polarizing views, but you would have no way of knowing this based on how they drag their feet through life.

I'm not anti-Zoomer, either.  Stultifying low-effort nihilism is the correct course of action for most people in currentyear. Zoomers think things will get worse simply because they have only proven to get worse in their living memory. There's no ideological apocalypticism, if material conditions (and testosterone count) were to improve zoomers would drop the nihilism immediately. It's important to remember that the vast majority of people aren't actors or even really conscious, they're just the sum of their conditions + ideas informed by Real People.
#52
(03-02-2023, 08:37 PM)Datacop Wrote:
(02-28-2023, 01:57 AM)Guest Wrote: As a zoomer myself, a common generational trait I’ve observed (and in the past followed myself) is a widespread Apocalypticism. I personally knew several people who had fully internalized the “Tedpilled homestead” ideology and made unrealistic plans to escape from society out of a belief collapse was inevitable. One of them even became a park ranger to get as close as possible to that escapism. Both on the left and the right, from moderates trending upwards into extremes, there exists this Apocalypticist ideology. Whether it’s ecological collapse, WEF world, climate change, overpopulation etc, there is a widespread belief that things will get worse continuously, or at least get worse before they get better.

You can blame at least some of the generational anomie on an internalized sense that nothing matters or is worth doing because the world is bad and will only get worse, but to me this doomerism differs from Millennial nihilism in that it is very much genuine. In line with this is a common, though certainly not universal, tech-skepticism i.e “man-made horrors beyond comprehension” memes. Ted K memes reached the mainstream around 2020/2021, and that was something that I observed enforcing the aforementioned tech-skepticism. In line with Ted K, the tech-skepticism I see is again of an almost Apocalypticist variety. As others have mentioned elsewhere, despite growing up surrounded by technology, zoomers are broadly tech-illiterate as well. Perhaps this tech-illiteracy feeds into the tech-skepticism.

I wouldn't call this Apocalypticism. Knowing the world is going to end is fun, at least psychologically. All historical apocalyptic ideologies were accompanied by a frenzy and assertiveness and, though not always, an excitement at the coming end days. People stop planning ahead, they start traveling more to tell others of the good (or bad) news. Thousands of Millerites severed ties with family over their belief in the imminent 2nd Coming. Paul Ehrlich convinced thousands of student communists to sterilize themselves to prevent world starvation. The ELF burned down housing developments and blew up radio towers believing global warming was going to destroy the planet by 2020. Zoomer nihilism is more akin to the Millerites post-October 22nd 1844; all predictions of societal collapse have fallen flat and now it's all just loafing around. There's no real belief in an apocalypse, just a lack of energy.

Even "Tedpilled homesteaders" aren't serious advocates of ecological meltdown, they're just doing the ideological equivalent to putting their fingers in their ear and yelling: having defendable political positions is hard, so why not just ironically evoke some "based" eco-terrorist and say the whole system SUCKS, man! Do these zoomers genuinely think the world is coming to an end, or are they just betas who couldn't do anything about it anyway? Many zoomers hold very extreme and polarizing views, but you would have no way of knowing this based on how they drag their feet through life.

I'm not anti-Zoomer, either.  Stultifying low-effort nihilism is the correct course of action for most people in currentyear. Zoomers think things will get worse simply because they have only proven to get worse in their living memory. There's no ideological apocalypticism, if material conditions (and testosterone count) were to improve zoomers would drop the nihilism immediately. It's important to remember that the vast majority of people aren't actors or even really conscious, they're just the sum of their conditions + ideas informed by Real People.

Perhaps you could call a neutered sort of apocalypticism. Many zoomers in my experience fully accept or even zealously believe in the narrative that the world is headed towards irreversible disaster in the next few decades, but they’re more happy dulling their minds with Tiktok and adderall so they don’t have to think about anything. For most it’s purely a vague generational depression about the state of things and the bleak future they see (and are told they have, don’t underestimate the impact of telling 12 year olds that they will grow up to see a world being destroyed by ‘muh climate change’). Their lives are so depressed and caged that believing in a coming collapse is a form of escapism itself for some. But zoomers do not do anything in spite of internalizing all of this, they're very detached fatalists in that way. 

Nobody in the 20th century seems to have really predicted the power social sedatives like weed, pornography, and ZOGslop would end up having. Would boomers in their youths have tolerated the conditions zoomers live under? Gen X? No, instead they burned housing developments and bombed radio towers like you say after merely hearing of the possibility of a near-future catastrophe. Zoomers have accepted that they very likely will not have the same living standards or cushy lives as their parents, or their grandparents, or even millennials, and they do nothing about it. I agree with you that any noticeable increase in their material conditions would eliminate a lot of their pessimism. I see this as also being a reason for why socialism or statism of any kind is so popular among zoomers. They simply want things supplied and done for them (Sharmat said this earlier).

One more observation I’ve had is that magical thinking is extremely common among zoomers. I can’t say for sure what causes this.
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(03-03-2023, 12:58 PM)Guest Wrote: One more observation I’ve had is that magical thinking is extremely common among zoomers. I can’t say for sure what causes this.

Magical thinking as in a totemic belief in the causality of things, or a genuine belief in magic?

Also, for readabilities' sake, please just quote what I've said that you are responding to and remove what I was quoting in my post.
#54
(03-03-2023, 02:19 PM)Datacop Wrote: Magical thinking as in a totemic belief in the causality of things, or a genuine belief in magic?

Both. See the popularity of manifestation, law of attraction, subliminals, astrology, pop witchcraft. IIRC modern psychology links magical thinking to feelings of anxiety or a lack of control, which checks out.
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(03-03-2023, 03:05 PM)Guest Wrote: Both. See the popularity of manifestation, law of attraction, subliminals, astrology, pop witchcraft. IIRC modern psychology links magical thinking to feelings of anxiety or a lack of control, which checks out.

Do Zoomers actually believe things like manifestation & pop witchcraft? Not to purity test something as gay as law of attraction but I've long doubted that most of the people who push that kind of thing really believe it in any way and moreso do it to cling to an aesthetic of spirituality. Even that word, spirituality, is an invention of Unitarians who systematically plucked apart Christian theology like they were preparing a chicken. It is by its definition God without theology, which is to say no God at all, and thereby no spirits at all. Beyond mild interest and girly in-jokes circulated on tiktok, most zoomer sadies don't believe astrology any more than they believe in Santa Claus. It's a rhetorical device employed to explain away small mishaps and fortunes, the equivalent of saying God damnit to something you dislike. No one under the age of sixty has ever believed it, and I would even doubt the faith of the hippies. What you call a genuine belief in magic I call a profound laziness of thought. In seven years when atheism becomes popular again you'll never hear about manifestation, law of attraction, or witchcraft from girls again, they'll have new fun words to share amongst themselves.
#56
(03-05-2023, 10:23 PM)Datacop Wrote:
(03-03-2023, 03:05 PM)Guest Wrote: Both. See the popularity of manifestation, law of attraction, subliminals, astrology, pop witchcraft. IIRC modern psychology links magical thinking to feelings of anxiety or a lack of control, which checks out.

Do Zoomers actually believe things like manifestation & pop witchcraft? Not to purity test something as gay as law of attraction but I've long doubted that most of the people who push that kind of thing really believe it in any way and moreso do it to cling to an aesthetic of spirituality. Even that word, spirituality, is an invention of Unitarians who systematically plucked apart Christian theology like they were preparing a chicken. It is by its definition God without theology, which is to say no God at all, and thereby no spirits at all. Beyond mild interest and girly in-jokes circulated on tiktok, most zoomer sadies don't believe astrology any more than they believe in Santa Claus. It's a rhetorical device employed to explain away small mishaps and fortunes, the equivalent of saying God damnit to something you dislike. No one under the age of sixty has ever believed it, and I would even doubt the faith of the hippies. What you call a genuine belief in magic I call a profound laziness of thought. In seven years when atheism becomes popular again you'll never hear about manifestation, law of attraction, or witchcraft from girls again, they'll have new fun words to share amongst themselves.

What a gay line of thinking. You seem like a very unpleasant person. Although maybe you're right, the white girls are the evil soulless ones and the exemplars of true spirit are the niggers and sandniggers in Africa who truly dedicate their lives to faith in the supernatural by dancing around fires beating drums and grunting loudly.

Ad Hominem

Straw Man

(03-05-2023, 10:23 PM)Datacop Wrote: Do Zoomers actually believe things like manifestation & pop witchcraft? Not to purity test something as gay as law of attraction but I've long doubted that most of the people who push that kind of thing really believe it in any way and moreso do it to cling to an aesthetic of spirituality. Even that word, spirituality, is an invention of Unitarians who systematically plucked apart Christian theology like they were preparing a chicken. It is by its definition God without theology, which is to say no God at all, and thereby no spirits at all. Beyond mild interest and girly in-jokes circulated on tiktok, most zoomer sadies don't believe astrology any more than they believe in Santa Claus. It's a rhetorical device employed to explain away small mishaps and fortunes, the equivalent of saying God damnit to something you dislike. No one under the age of sixty has ever believed it, and I would even doubt the faith of the hippies. What you call a genuine belief in magic I call a profound laziness of thought. In seven years when atheism becomes popular again you'll never hear about manifestation, law of attraction, or witchcraft from girls again, they'll have new fun words to share amongst themselves.

As Zoomer I can confirm this is true(what you are saying). Merely a social phenomenon that will end when it’s no longer in vogue.
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(03-05-2023, 10:23 PM)Datacop Wrote: Do Zoomers actually believe things like manifestation & pop witchcraft? Not to purity test something as gay as law of attraction but I've long doubted that most of the people who push that kind of thing really believe it in any way and moreso do it to cling to an aesthetic of spirituality. Even that word, spirituality, is an invention of Unitarians who systematically plucked apart Christian theology like they were preparing a chicken. It is by its definition God without theology, which is to say no God at all, and thereby no spirits at all. Beyond mild interest and girly in-jokes circulated on tiktok, most zoomer sadies don't believe astrology any more than they believe in Santa Claus. It's a rhetorical device employed to explain away small mishaps and fortunes, the equivalent of saying God damnit to something you dislike. No one under the age of sixty has ever believed it, and I would even doubt the faith of the hippies. What you call a genuine belief in magic I call a profound laziness of thought. In seven years when atheism becomes popular again you'll never hear about manifestation, law of attraction, or witchcraft from girls again, they'll have new fun words to share amongst themselves.

Interesting questions raised here. A lot of Zoomer "paganism" display, etc. reads like it comes from a blend of gravitation towards pseudo-edgy social groups guarded by basic political correctness and post-hoc rationalizations justifying basic character failures ("sexual behaviors that lay guilty on my conscience are actually a tenet of my chosen religion, you must RESPECT ME"). As far as I can tell it's mostly the product of a social environ absent of genuine religiosity and the neurotic safetyism rampant in the demographic. Of course I'm talking about the Leftist/female types, Rightist pagans of all ages just seem like spergs.
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(03-05-2023, 10:23 PM)Datacop Wrote: Do Zoomers actually believe things like manifestation & pop witchcraft? Not to purity test something as gay as law of attraction but I've long doubted that most of the people who push that kind of thing really believe it in any way and moreso do it to cling to an aesthetic of spirituality. Even that word, spirituality, is an invention of Unitarians who systematically plucked apart Christian theology like they were preparing a chicken. It is by its definition God without theology, which is to say no God at all, and thereby no spirits at all. Beyond mild interest and girly in-jokes circulated on tiktok, most zoomer sadies don't believe astrology any more than they believe in Santa Claus. It's a rhetorical device employed to explain away small mishaps and fortunes, the equivalent of saying God damnit to something you dislike. No one under the age of sixty has ever believed it, and I would even doubt the faith of the hippies. What you call a genuine belief in magic I call a profound laziness of thought. In seven years when atheism becomes popular again you'll never hear about manifestation, law of attraction, or witchcraft from girls again, they'll have new fun words to share amongst themselves.

Zoomers have all been raised either being told God is fake, or going to churches full of rainbow flags and rotting boomers. They grow up thinking God is either dead or dying, and that there is nothing beyond material existence that matters except for science. Deep down they can't handle the thought of there being no god, so they look to 'spirituality' to try and fill the gap.
#59
Anyone who is claiming Zoomers who believe in manifesting and other retard-magic are actually LARPing is retarded. They do, and I would know. It's just where their spiritual energy goes when religion has been murdered.
#60
Zoomers are more deeply secular than millenials IMO. Yes zoomer women actually believe in things like "manifesting" but this is something experienced at the purely aesthetic level. It doesn't inform their ethical outlook, much less rise to the level of religion.

Vaguely spiritual language might be more popular now that reddit atheism is dead but people who would have been into satanism in the 2000s are now just troons. "Witchcraft" even in its diluted aethetic form is ultimately very millenial, see Harry Potter. JK Rowling of course has nothing to say to the current moment, her TERFism is completely anachronistic. You can be anti-feminist or pro-troon, no in-between. What she spawned is just as irrelevant today.



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