teaching zoomers to dance

[Nathan J Robinson]

A start:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZOwNIM3GTc


I don't know what her shirt signifies... if its some weirdo political thing i disavow. But the basis of people learning to love one another, is in dance. Everything else is contingent on this, dating, courtship,  sex, reproduction, all of this secondary to the most basic act of human interaction. People must learn again how to dance (also how to sing).  Also this isn't just a rando youtube, the polka is the dance that is being played in many beerhalls across america, and its time for you all to start dancing.

tldr my fellows, its time to start dancing.

[JohnnyRomero]

I like dancing - Zoomers cannot, so if you do any real dancing in a club you can instantly become the center of attention - but I find this video deeply repulsive. This sort of wholesome and quirky traditionalism & nationalism, Nation and Tradition reduced to the time-biding and masturbatory habits of the bovine peasantry of the European countryside, the sum of European history and culture reduced to consumer products to be worn as hip fashion, it all disgusts me deeply. Even when I was a 14-year-old neo-Nazi on 8/pol/, I found the imagery of the white women in the PRETTY TRADITIONAL SLAVIC FOLK COSTUMES dancing in a circle in a wheat field tiresome at best and repulsive at worst. This sort of imagery promotes the most suffocating sort of mediocrity, the antidote of greatness and excellence. It reminds me of this Muslim-convert communist Slavshit-descended American:



It is very telling how effortlessly so many feminist, communist TikTok women can lean into Wholesome Peasant Traditionalism. The Longhouse knows no Theory, only Itself.

In our current state, time spent dancing which could be spent building up tangible and social resources (money, weapons, connections, power, etc.) is time wasted at best and actively in service to ZOG at worst. Caesar, Augustus, Napoleon, Hitler, and all other Great Men wasted no time with things such as this until after they won. Polka dancing might be a nice thing to keep in the back of our minds, but we should waste no time or energy on it until We Win.

[GraphWalkWithMe]

Elderly wigger in year 20XX: "The problem with the kids these days, homes, they don't 'go up' to girls and Grind on them, knowmsayin?"

[NuclearAbsolutist]

In our current state, time spent dancing which could be spent building up tangible and social resources (money, weapons, connections, power, etc.) is time wasted at best and actively in service to ZOG at worst. Caesar, Augustus, Napoleon, Hitler, and all other Great Men wasted no time with things such as this until after they won. Polka dancing might be a nice thing to keep in the back of our minds, but we should waste no time or energy on it until We Win.

I get your point but it must be said no "movement" can ignore even such minor cultural matters as dance. Not to get all Roger Scruton mode on you but the disappearance of such fundamental, common parts of Western culture(Replaced at most with degenerate habits fitting people who live in ruins and niggers) is one of the clearest signs one can use of our current situation and the need to change it. In the toil of networking and making ones symbolism, such items act as a bond maker. On the topic of the thread I have never danced but was often forced to at required social events at school. Have never tried it since.

[JohnnyRomero]

I get your point but it must be said no "movement" can ignore even such minor cultural matters as dance. Not to get all Roger Scruton mode on you but the disappearance of such fundamental, common parts of Western culture(Replaced at most with degenerate habits fitting people who live in ruins and niggers) is one of the clearest signs one can use of our current situation and the need to change it.  In the toil of networking and making ones symbolism, such items act as a bond maker. On the topic of the thread I have never danced but was often forced to at required social events at school. Have never tried it since.

Such painfully intentional attempts to manually cargo-cult a dying culture back into vitality by imitating its extinct expressions are worse than even the impotent graspings towards social and moral revival seen in the Augustan Reforms, pure Worship of the Ashes at the expense of the Flame. I strongly agree with BAP here: you cannot manually cargo-cult your way out of social decline. Culture, Civilization, and everything which come with them are merely after-effects of the liberated Fire of Higher Life, of Great Men freely expressing their wills out onto the world, of great and effortless spiritual movements, of the words and deeds of Prophets and Heroes who found peoples, cities, and faiths. If you ignored something as petty and stupid as the dancings of peasants and instead focused on expressing your own Will and Vril out into the world, the peasants would dance in your wake as they never had before.

On a more nitpicking level, I challenge this assertion:

I get your point but it must be said no "movement" can ignore even such minor cultural matters as dance.

I would argue that, in fact, every movement (that has ever accomplished anything, that is) has ignored minor and irrelevant cultural matters such as dance, at least while they were still striving for the Power to freely enact their Vision of the world. Once said Power was acquired, they attended to all sorts of minor trivialities; this is a luxury we absolutely do not have.

[Verl]

I get your point but it must be said no "movement" can ignore even such minor cultural matters as dance. Not to get all Roger Scruton mode on you but the disappearance of such fundamental, common parts of Western culture(Replaced at most with degenerate habits fitting people who live in ruins and niggers) is one of the clearest signs one can use of our current situation and the need to change it.  In the toil of networking and making ones symbolism, such items act as a bond maker. On the topic of the thread I have never danced but was often forced to at required social events at school. Have never tried it since.

Such painfully intentional attempts to manually cargo-cult a dying culture back into vitality by imitating its extinct expressions are worse than even the impotent graspings towards social and moral revival seen in the Augustan Reforms, pure Worship of the Ashes at the expense of the Flame. I strongly agree with BAP here: you cannot manually cargo-cult your way out of social decline. Culture, Civilization, and everything which come with them are merely after-effects of the liberated Fire of Higher Life, of Great Men freely expressing their wills out onto the world, of great and effortless spiritual movements, of the words and deeds of Prophets and Heroes who found peoples, cities, and faiths. If you ignored something as petty and stupid as the dancings of peasants and instead focused on expressing your own Will and Vril out into the world, the peasants would dance in your wake as they never had before.

On a more nitpicking level, I challenge this assertion:

I get your point but it must be said no "movement" can ignore even such minor cultural matters as dance.

I would argue that, in fact, every movement (that has ever accomplished anything, that is) has ignored minor and irrelevant cultural matters such as dance, at least while they were still striving for the Power to freely enact their Vision of the world. Once said Power was acquired, they attended to all sorts of minor trivialities; this is a luxury we absolutely do not have.

Back up your claim or i'll have to dance you off this board

[JohnnyRomero]

On a more nitpicking level, I challenge this assertion:

I get your point but it must be said no "movement" can ignore even such minor cultural matters as dance.

I would argue that, in fact, every movement (that has ever accomplished anything, that is) has ignored minor and irrelevant cultural matters such as dance, at least while they were still striving for the Power to freely enact their Vision of the world. Once said Power was acquired, they attended to all sorts of minor trivialities; this is a luxury we absolutely do not have.

Back up your claim or i'll have to dance you off this board

The burden of proof that LARPing as Slavic peasants and doing polka dances is somehow an indisputable path to political power is on you and Nuc. Provide evidence of any revolutionary group - the American or French Revolutionaries, the Bolsheviks, the Italian fascists, the Spanish Francoists, the NSDAP, etc. - doing this.

[Datacop]

I'll defend wholesome chungus folk dancing. It's not in any sense a political action in and of itself, but any sort of White cultural expression should be defended as a matter of principle, at least in the US. Polka dancing will not save the White race, but ingratiating a sense of White identity should be a goal for the hoi polloi, and events like this are at least de facto for Whites only. At least those folk dresses are prettier than what girls wear today anyway. If young men need scouting organizations like the Wandervogel, young women should have dances and pretty dresses to distract themselves with.

Not really related to the thread, the clubs & societies that typically put on polka dances have some value for us. Big talk is given here about making networks and inroads into civil society; what if there's potential there? Many European-American Societies have hundreds of members (mostly old people admittedly) and already have influence on the local level. The German-American club in my town was very active in local elections on the county level. These are relatively benign organizations that have decent potential if infiltrated. Just a small amount of young men could very effectively steer one of these orgs towards /our/ ends. It may be a bit larpy to suggest that you should infiltrate your local Swedish-American Club, but can anyone else think of another publicly-accepted all-White institution in every city that can throw around money in America?

[NuclearAbsolutist]

The burden of proof that LARPing as Slavic peasants and doing polka dances is somehow an indisputable path to political power is on you and Nuc. Provide evidence of any revolutionary group - the American or French Revolutionaries, the Bolsheviks, the Italian fascists, the Spanish Francoists, the NSDAP, etc. - doing this.

I apologize for not making myself clear, my view is that I consider such cultural elements a part of any modern political movement enforcing itself and spreading its ideal, but by no means a critical action or something that should be front and center(It is for the rear at most, a propaganda & fundraising method, networking etc). Making enchant the world the moving thought behind ones acts is both wrongheaded and dubious to me.

[Muskox]

Is this the salvation of Western civilization?

[Unformed Golem]

Maybe you like this sort of dancing. I doubt, but whatever.

But trad dancing is downstream of trad cultural hegemony. This is how you met and displayed physical fitness and conscientiousness in front of the opposite sex when unchaperoned gender mixing was impossible. And it's pretty culturally specific too, especially the distinction between partnered, single-sex groups, and solo exhibition dancing. Like I'm not a Slav, most Americans aren't. And this

if you do any real dancing in a club you can instantly become the center of attention

happens because male-display lek is downstream of cultural negrification and the annihilation of the family. Even if you somehow created a trad wheatfield dancing fad within a few months it would just be women doing it (alone) on social media for attention and men doing it (again probably alone) in front of groups of women.

Of course if "dating apps" were banned or regulated -- I'm on the fence about the feasibility of this -- and the patriarchy were re-established (definitely possible) then modern analogues to traditional romantic patterns will re-emerge, but the other way around won't work because the cause and effect simply is simply not in that direction. Just because the cargo cult analogy is tired doesn't mean it's not completely correct here.

[a system is failing]

However much you may miss dancing, young people are not gonna do stuff that's lame, and hoping they will see the value if you force them anyways is folly. People younger than 40 all have never taken dancing seriously and can't, and generally lack the unselfconsciousness to just do it. It has to be said that many artistic and spiritually fulfilling endeavors are simply destroyed by the fact people in this generation are such massive DICKS and have a strong propulsion to identify and shame anybody who is relatively normal / unremarkable engaging non-slavery activities. See: any time a perfectly normal looking dude associates woth the online right without being ULTRARIPPED GOOD PHYSIOGNOMY. Yea, is it any wonder people have no interest in dancing, with how utterly shallow people are these days, and so open and gleeful in their malice over it? 

As far as the value of dancing goes objectively, well the most desirable aspect of it from our standpoint is mostly about health and better yet POLITICAL MOGGING. By this I don't mean jarhead hurp gup physiognomy, but the natural sense of fluidity and confidence dancing or playing instruments gives you in physical and bodily motion. This can only enhance body language and make you more physically persuasive when speaking. Just like with art and media, engaging in these cultural pursuits not so much about using them for specific institutional or organizational power-grabbing, but of creating deeper intellect with more well rounded abilities and understanding. 

I am recall Stepyen Mallinder (Cabaret Voltaire) interview where he discusses dance and nightclubs, what he calls "nocturnal", UNDERGROUND spaces of exclusive subculture, dark rooms with good loud audio and strange performers, these places even now do hold a potential for a lot of seedy and criminal activity, thus they are hotbeds to encourage deeper and more thorough defecting from the system. This was the political context Mallinder and CV saw these places through, and ultimately they among others were able to get us to the shitty situation we are now by applying their political ideas in these subterranean layers of cultural. How a right wing version of this would look is hard to say...but it's worth remembering the most covert layer of existence is still conversations and meet ups that occur in real life, where nothing is recorded. The concept of a nocturnal space even has a degree of ANONIMITY built in, and the fun and danger form a better basis for direct emotional attraction, connection and motivation than political larp movements or local offices. Many have seen the pictures of the lame Dimes Square stuff, because this is a glorified kickback for losers, it looks toothless and disgusting, but I don't find it impossible to imagine IRL events with potential for energy and better yet violence! It just has to be organic and real, something that is a worthy experience in itself first.

[Corvid]

I like and generally concur with the points in this thread about how dancing is downwind of cultural hegemony. I do not consider myself a dancer nor someone who has a desire to dance; my primary exposure to dance growing up was the whip and naenae. But that's all culture, and expanding the reach of these European-American cultural organizations sounds like a good idea with the only real challenge being to make sure that the (likely libtarded) patrons remain comfortable enough to keep supporting them even if used as an engine of political community.

[JohnnyRomero]

I'll defend wholesome chungus folk dancing. It's not in any sense a political action in and of itself, but any sort of White cultural expression should be defended as a matter of principle, at least in the US. Polka dancing will not save the White race, but ingratiating a sense of White identity should be a goal for the hoi polloi, and events like this are at least de facto for Whites only. At least those folk dresses are prettier than what girls wear today anyway. If young men need scouting organizations like the Wandervogel, young women should have dances and pretty dresses to distract themselves with.

Not really related to the thread, the clubs & societies that typically put on polka dances have some value for us. Big talk is given here about making networks and inroads into civil society; what if there's potential there? Many European-American Societies have hundreds of members (mostly old people admittedly) and already have influence on the local level. The German-American club in my town was very active in local elections on the county level. These are relatively benign organizations that have decent potential if infiltrated. Just a small amount of young men could very effectively steer one of these orgs towards /our/ ends. It may be a bit larpy to suggest that you should infiltrate your local Swedish-American Club, but can anyone else think of another publicly-accepted all-White institution in every city that can throw around money in America?

I suppose if we were talking about an actually traditional American form of culture such as square dancing, then I understand and support it. I suppose my revulsion stems in part from the fakeness of the wignat-type "White identity," which is entirely artificial and ahistoric. While there certainly are White cultures, and these cultures are influenced and determined to varying degrees by the excellencies of good Indo-European and WHG stock (and the wretchedness of EEF/Pre-Aryan blood as well), there is no "White Culture" per se. I think that elements of White high culture - the art of Michaelangelo, the writings of Nietzsche, the conquests of Cortez, the music of Mozart, and the science of Newton - could be said to belong to the whole of Western Civilization broadly, and as such can appeal to and be claimed by any member nation of the West.

However, I think elements of White low culture, those of the peasantry, cannot be so easily universalized. Polka dancing has nothing to do with my culture, and never has - I am an actual American, whose ancestors conquered this land with their own blood to bring the cultural forms and folkways of their respective English regional culture to a new land which they could call their own. My culture is not a generic, averaged-out, commercialized mashup of the mores of various Eastern European untermensch (in the Hitlerian racial sense) peasants who came to Ellis Island looking for free jobs in the 1900s, well after the Whites of the true American mother nations (England, Scotland, Ireland, France, Germany, and the Netherlands, as per the original proposed Great Seal of the country) had finished the conquest. America already has a heritage consisting of several White cultures (Deep South, Appalachia, New England, etc.), and creating a generic "White identity" based around LARPing as Eastern European peasants with no connection to this nation's unique history and culture does nothing to help preserve that culture or create further cohesion within it.

I do think that there is potential in infiltrating German-American and Swedish-American clubs, for practical purposes.

I also generally support these things as non-corrosive and unpozzed hobbies for women; but as I said before, there already exists a strong American heritage. Trying to LARP as a Polack or other irrelevant East Yuro ethnicity is the socially-approved, wholesome chungus attempt to grasp at a genuine heritage. Rather than retreating into some sort of identity as Yuro peasants, which is smaller and therefore exclusive of other Whites and divides Americans as a whole, we should work on reclaiming the American cultural identity(-ies), which by definition will include all White Americans and will thus be more powerful, while still not being so broad and vague so as not to have any actual cultural relevancy. Hyphenated American identities - German-American, Irish-American, etc. - are good in as much as they emphasize their contribution to America, and demonstrate how everything good and great about America came about as a result of its foundation on White European racial stock and Western culture and civilization.

The trouble here is finding a demonym for these White Americans, which many in our circles have already tried - Amerikaner, Heritage American, Founding American, etc.. "White" is the term used to describe these people in practice, but it is muddled by its broadness of meaning (cf. how "Black" in practice means American descendants of slavery and their unique culture but can technically also include all Sub-Saharan Africans, no matter how culturally dissimilar they are, like Obama).

tl;dr White Americans identifying as specific European ethnicities divides and weakens the Nation, White Americans identifying as "White" alone is too generic and broad to provide any real motivation or cohesive culture, and White Americans identifying simply as "Americans" includes all of the other races which currently reside in America or hold American passports. A unique European-American culture(s) certainly exist(s), but it is as of yet unnamed.

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But trad dancing is downstream of trad cultural hegemony. [...] And it's pretty culturally specific too, especially the distinction between partnered, single-sex groups, and solo exhibition dancing.  Like I'm not a Slav, most Americans aren't.

Of course if "dating apps" were banned or regulated -- I'm on the fence about the feasibility of this -- and the patriarchy were re-established (definitely possible) then modern analogues to traditional romantic patterns will re-emerge, but the other way around won't work because the cause and effect simply is simply not in that direction.  Just because the cargo cult analogy is tired doesn't mean it's not completely correct here.

Well-said, "upstream vs. downstream" is a good way to look at culture which I neglected to bring up.

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[snip]

Best post in the thread. Many good ideas and insights here, especially the last point about creating dark and reclusive spaces outside of the view of the Leviathan in which we can work freely. BAP speaks of this.

From Bronze Age Mindset, Aphorism 17:

I’ve always been attracted to filth and dirt, because something in me knew intuitively that it is only in the underseam of life as it exists today that you find the real “lacunae,” the “holes” where its reach is limited or weak. I always sensed there was some real freedom in the blackest of red light districts among whores and junkies, perverts, and worse, with whom I’ve always chosen to take my dinners when I had the chance. I like the stories they told me, some showed letters from delusional Spanish engineer who wanted to marry her, another told me story of miscarriage her friend had in old pervert’s bathroom, and how they flushed it down a toilet and then its name written on a piece of toilet paper. It’s in this world and almost only in this world today that you can start to polish the claws nature gave you, assuming it gave you any. Unfortunately it’s easy for a man with good antennae to see that even this world of shadows has at most a conditional existence. The truth is that they are allowing these “holes” because they, or the people who crafted the fabric in which the masters of lies operate, are smart enough to know you need these “free spaces”: they are of great use to a manipulator. See how the Japanese, so famed for their love of law and order, have nevertheless always allowed the yakuza to operate running prostitution and meth rings and even worse. Such things have a serious function in Japanese society, as the mafia and other institutions have had in Western society. Only a cretinous government will get rid of such a world entirely, and thankfully we have very stupid governments in the West now. Their days are numbered. It is with sadness that you realize, eventually, after the first exhilarating rush of freedom in this world of the damned, that these spaces too, though not so pervasively “owned,” have portals and gates manned by that which owns everything else. Still, it’s better than nothing because in the moment all of that’s still far away… on a late summer night when you are asked by corrupt lawyer to spy on Lebanese strip club owner and you’re out in courtyard with 20-year-old prostie, she put cocaine on your tongue and you feel the ocean air at night fill you with the longing of the great sea…. you might almost forget suffocating air of gravity outside, and feel for a few minutes like animal before moment of hunt.

And from Aphorism 77:

To be effective in this world you must be very well-acquainted with the underworld, with criminal life, with junkies, dealers, prostitutes, gamblers, with the perviest of pervs. And this is what I mean by the great down-going. To gain a true hold on the foundations of this trash-world, a certain group among the right will have to descend in this inferno. I am firmly convinced that this is the key to overturning everything that is corrupt, and the path to the great purgation. I imagine a network of brothels and gambling-houses around the world, production of porn videos, and a complete penetration of the world of vice. Yes, to ensnare, to compromise, to corrupt, and above all to observe and to know their secrets. To descend into a floating world of complete vice, and even to engage in it—as you must if you are to thrive in this world—while keeping your head and keeping in focus the fire of your aim…isn’t this a great and very difficult achievement? This path must be only for very few, very few are suited to it. But these few are to be among the greatest of the coming generation. This brotherhood will work instead to intensify vice, to stir up demonic passions, to sow total confusion in the heart of the beast. The increase of chaos, confusion and pressure on the Leviathan will lay it low: imagine even a world where the people, under relentless assault of contradictory and wild claims, would lose all faith in the media and government and doctors and believe nothing they hear through official channels anymore [poster's note: it is marvelous how prescient this verse in particular sounds post-COVID]. This would be an order of knights of the spirit such as exists at most every thousand years. Slowly, maybe over two generations, they will work patiently, exploring and laying claims to all the sewers of the underworld, all the effluences of the Leviathan, all the joints of the lower skeleton that undergirds this world. They will take over night clubs, bars, brothels, hotels, casinos, pornography, and much worse, and rather than live to insulate themselves from the vice promoted by this world, they will intensify it and learn to wield it as a great weapon.

This shall be our power. Who among us shall be the one bold enough to start the Amarna Nightclub, the Amarna Brothel, the Amarna Cartel?

[FlyWithYou]

[a system is failing]

And from Aphorism 77:

To be effective in this world you must be very well-acquainted with the underworld, with criminal life, with junkies, dealers, prostitutes, gamblers, with the perviest of pervs. And this is what I mean by the great down-going. To gain a true hold on the foundations of this trash-world, a certain group among the right will have to descend in this inferno. I am firmly convinced that this is the key to overturning everything that is corrupt, and the path to the great purgation. I imagine a network of brothels and gambling-houses around the world, production of porn videos, and a complete penetration of the world of vice. Yes, to ensnare, to compromise, to corrupt, and above all to observe and to know their secrets. To descend into a floating world of complete vice, and even to engage in it—as you must if you are to thrive in this world—while keeping your head and keeping in focus the fire of your aim…isn’t this a great and very difficult achievement? This path must be only for very few, very few are suited to it. But these few are to be among the greatest of the coming generation. This brotherhood will work instead to intensify vice, to stir up demonic passions, to sow total confusion in the heart of the beast. The increase of chaos, confusion and pressure on the Leviathan will lay it low: imagine even a world where the people, under relentless assault of contradictory and wild claims, would lose all faith in the media and government and doctors and believe nothing they hear through official channels anymore [poster's note: it is marvelous how prescient this verse in particular sounds post-COVID]. This would be an order of knights of the spirit such as exists at most every thousand years. Slowly, maybe over two generations, they will work patiently, exploring and laying claims to all the sewers of the underworld, all the effluences of the Leviathan, all the joints of the lower skeleton that undergirds this world. They will take over night clubs, bars, brothels, hotels, casinos, pornography, and much worse, and rather than live to insulate themselves from the vice promoted by this world, they will intensify it and learn to wield it as a great weapon.

This shall be our power. Who among us shall be the one bold enough to start the Amarna Nightclub, the Amarna Brothel, the Amarna Cartel?

I want to see about pushing this further. Okay, so the line of thinking is one has to sort of embrace the abyss and come out the other side...purity, abstinence as being insufficient to identify, understand and counteract the forces of our enslavement. I can't help but think we have this both with societal descent and the internet. In general both processes have made the "background" level of vice and dysfunction go way up. And I'm sure pretty sure this can be just as well said to be the source of renewed interest in "trad larping" among younger people. Maybe this power, of embracing the underworld, is even more potent and concentrated when you are forced to walk the underworld against your will.

Obviously, what BAP is talking about is more immediately material and connected to the real world. But most examples of the "right wing nightclub" have been extremely stupid and disappointing. Yockeyslut's exposé on selling dumb party girls drugs in order to fuck them doesn't lead anywhere related to overturning GNC. Most younger people, in particular those who are sensitive, have had to deal with this "underworld" with the intrusion of the 3rd world and sexual revolution catastrophe into their lives at a very early age, and likely in ways their parents don't even consider. I don't think my mom or dad ever witnessed their school get transformed by demographic change. Those people grew up in a whitetopia. And they seem to largely consider the current world insane.

[august]

I believe that there is a more esoteric reading to that aphorism—BAP himself or someone else is more than welcome to correct me if I'm wrong. The reference to Leviathan there is not by chance and it seems to make all the more sense when you consider his concept of the "Faction of Truth" as a differentiation from the Very Real Dissident Right Movement. The people who are using their real faces and names while holding themselves out to be dangerous dissident figures leading The Movement on the internet are more harmful than any libtard. Everyone who I am talking to understands what I mean by this and thus I don't need to, nor will I, explain it further.

This idea of a not-real but simultaneously real "Faction of Truth" is easier to understand through this Leviathan lens when you remember BAP's occasional remarks about how we are currently in the "Kingdom of Darkness". When you read and listen to BAP enough, it eventually becomes clear that a lot of his novelty is not so much in the ideas that he presents but rather his ability to, I figure, make these ideas more easily understandable to people who perhaps haven't come across them themselves but are nevertheless capable of getting it. He does this through a rather impressive talent of being able to apply these ideas to the conditions of the present day.

Anyway, is there perhaps another way to read him when he writes that one has to acquaint oneself "with the underworld, with criminal life, with junkies, dealers, prostitutes, gamblers, with the perviest of pervs" beyond what those words may initially appear to mean? Contrary to what his critics say, I do not think that he is simply telling a potential Elect to merely wallow with the lowest swine of humanity in muddy pools of uncontrolled vice and sin. Criminal life, junkies, dealers, prostitutes, gamblers, pervs; maybe these aren't in reference to deadbeats but are actually veiled pejoratives for those who currently sit atop the throne in our Kingdom of Darkness. If Light and Truth go together, then the same must be said for Darkness and Deception. In beginning the "great down-going" you will have to place yourself among these junkies, dealers, prostitutes, i.e., infiltrate the Normie World, and patiently accumulate the power that is necessary to use this underworld against itself and destroy it. I don't believe that he simply means open a 'right-wing' nightclub or attempt to form a parallel society, which will undoubtedly and miserably fail.

He often talks about the theoretical formation of mafias. Not long ago, a guest was disparaging ethnic Americans of the Italian sort by asserting that the mafia is used by them as a vessel for anti-Anglo resentment. Whether that is true or not, I don't know and frankly I don't care. But the Italian mafia in America is interesting to think about because it's obvious that its demise was, at least in part, due to their lack of vision toward Great Politics. Their political connections were all bought and paid for. They were merely renting control, not owning it. Imagine if they had the foresight to breed a portion of their family whose function was to become the greatest hypocrites of all, that is, the political connections themselves. That, to me, would have been them learning to wield the Leviathan as a great weapon.

[Aizen]

the line of thinking is one has to sort of embrace the abyss and come out the other side...purity, abstinence as being insufficient to identify, understand and counteract the forces of our enslavement. I can't help but think we have this both with societal descent and the internet. In general both processes have made the "background" level of vice and dysfunction go way up.
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Maybe this power, of embracing the underworld, is even more potent and concentrated when you are forced to walk the underworld against your will.
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most examples of the "right wing nightclub" have been extremely stupid and disappointing.

I believe that there is a more esoteric reading to that aphorism. The reference to Leviathan there is not by chance and it seems to make all the more sense when you consider his concept of the "Faction of Truth" as a differentiation from the Very Real Dissident Right Movement.

I think it's important to understand the context of aph. 77 of BAM before any further discussion. What Johnny posted is not the full aphorism, but near the end. Re-reading this, it's clear that all the talk of intensifying vice is a means to an end--and is his own peculiar obsession which I will attempt to explain further on in this post--but to what end does he (and I) seek?

from Bronze Age Mindset aph. 77, paragraph 1
I believe at some point, before or after the troubles, the superior specimens are going to find each other and leave this civilization. They will form fortresses on the edge of the world, in the tropics, from where they will watch the high seas. The era of High Piracy will return. Such men will develop above all their physical powers and ability to wage war. They will offer the nations defense in exchange for a price. Occasionally they will send a great demagogue into the peoples, when this becomes necessary. Such men, perched atop these eagles' nests, will have the territory of a new frontier again, and a life that suits them. Science will be liberated from the constraints of caring for comfort of entertainment. Great projects in scienct, the projects of private men, will once again begin. Such fortresses will possess frightful weapons to defend themselves, and will have penetrated deep into the nations their antennae and their many emissaries and watchers.

What is this Yockeyslut? What is this MedGold? BAP is not just telling us to have fun and fuck roasties? THIS is the Grand Vision--the nucleus of a new Master Race, the formation of a herrenvolk which will sweep away the weakness of the world and begin again the age of Ascent.

All the talk of intensifying vice and penetrating the underworld comes after this, with the qualifier

This great opportunity is still some time away. Before then, there must be a great work done.

Yes. What is this great work? BAP believes it to be "the great down-going", the amplification of vice, acquaintance with--and eventual control of--crime. In general, the underworld. In opposition to @august, I think you can take him at face value on these things--BAM is an exhortation and stream of consciousness writing, I believe he is being very straightforward here, the purpose is as stated: to ensnare, to compromise, to corrupt, and above all to observe and to know their secrets--but that does not mean that you can not apply these views differently.

I do not think that he is simply telling a potential Elect to merely wallow with the lowest swine of humanity in muddy pools of uncontrolled vice and sin.

In agreement however, I say that those among us averse to these things should not engage, but take hold of the sinews of the world in a different way. Who says that one can not ensnare, or compromise, or corrupt by different means? In general, the talk of "underworld" is the hidden world, a world inaccessible to most. There are many spheres that can be called the underworld, but they are all connected by fact of their hiddenness. My belief is in taking hold of various economic chokepoints, developing an underground Reich by way of a stranglehold on Africa, a hidden empire outside of the eye of Sauron.

To the End of the World