(05-22-2023, 02:47 PM)JohnnyRomero Wrote: [ -> ]I have always thought of the SA Goon crowd as a gaggle of Gen X old-school "geeks," the original users of the Internet. The troon "old guard," [...]
This is what I respect (or probably past tense now, respected) about them. Goons deserve everything that's happened to them, because they dug their own grave— no one made them succumb to faggotry and "Troll's Remorse" but themselves.
(05-22-2023, 02:47 PM)JohnnyRomero Wrote: [ -> ][...] the kind into weird transhumanist sci-fi, also fits this demographic, I think. Spiritual siblings to the Wachowski Brothers. [...]
This is not a bad point at all, you're right about this being a Gen X subcultural constant (or recurrant)— but I would argue this is not (largely) applicable to "goons".
The Goon has an equal interest in transhumanist fiction (so we may consider Gen X to have been more interested in this than prior generations) which is why the link to Gen X'rs as sci-fi fetishists is so easy, but their tastes manifest in the form of something more akin to Ralph Bakshi's Cool World:
The "Goon" is most interested in "cartoons" as their preferred mode of transhumanism— this is why they were the pre-4chan antagonist to furries, because
most of them are furries (which loops back to the relation to trannies), and what differentiates them from the channer as antagonist to furries, who correctly saw furries as antithetical to anime (and why Millennial furfags were the first semi-successful push to make furfaggotry faux-anime, unlike earlier attempts by Boomers and Gen X, and used anime as a junction point, because it took them longer to reject themselves (liking Japan) by accepting the hideous aesthetics of furfaggotry (liking ZOG) which happened during the masstroon on Tumblr where acceptance of ugliness became perquisite for entrance into the new world).
The most important detail in the character of the "goon" is their innate hatred of "anime". This is what binds them to the "furry".
They are the lawful faction in the Wired— the eternal jannie, opposing the channer anarchist (who loves anime). The "goon" seeks levity in the form of "cartoons"— reprieve from a world they find "
too serious" which they, ironically, do everything they can to maintain. The "channer" anarcho-fascist is the opposite, the side of chaos and life, who longs for "seriousness" to retake the circus of modern life.
The aspect of the "goon" which I would say is the most like your specific comparison, is their LONG fascination with
tabletop gaming bullshit (following rules for fun).
Obviously, we can attribute this most immediately to the fact on average goons are OLD, and grew up in a pre-video game world (hell), but there's deeper connections here— something I've noticed many times (from absorbing myself into Second Life over 9,001 years ago, and then again from trolling FetLife when I decided to go threaten to rape and kill women on there for the lulz, since it's basically within the rules) and started to notice more and more afterwards, is the distinct character of someone who enjoys 'following rules for fun' (the Japanese are also like this with their affinity for model kits, but it's significantly different, though the ways in which perversion manifest from this are related).
People who "get off" (if they even can) to novel-length lists on how to speak, act, "consent"... all that faggotry. Goons have always been incredibly logocentric people, there is nothing in the world that makes them happier than reading long DENSE schlock— they are the original TL;DRposters for a reason. But the details of this should be considered, if the goon likes sci-fi they like it because it is the most theory dense fiction, they like TTRPG for the same reasons, and they like "cartoons" as a kind of antithesis to this (but they find ways to make it the same, this is the most complex detail).. their taste in games also parallels, they love Fallout because it's a BOOK, Space Station 13, Eve Online is a fucking homework simulator too, this is what goons enjoy doing when left to their own devices. From here, it's easy to understand the reason goons troon is because of their logocentrism, putting definitions ahead of the truth (and the 5 senses), it is no surprise that furries were born originally at sci-fi conventions as well, because they too are a product of this.
This is what made
FYAD kind of an aberration, it was the most chaotic with the most anime (therefore the most like /b/), even if ironic as "WTF Japan" (which is what goons were most attracted to, as the absurdism created an ironic shield). I view
FYAD as being a kind of
decompression chamber for the incredibly neurotic jannie mind of the goon, a place where they could unleash their (correct) hatred of society and normalfaggots (niggers, women, dysgenic faggots, etc.), which they would normally campaign against (because goons are a culture of self-loathing, which is why they moved into ZOG's Victim Olympics as troons after, spooks most likely hijacked Tumblr as a mechanism for socializing Lisa Simpson academic faggotry to broke people who normally would've been left behind) in all other forms, and the "troon" as the gradual sink (or in some cases reclamation within ZOGcietal norms) of them being horrified they were "never able to be normal" which takes the form of an attempted reset at their life (in their retard-mind: becoming a girl and mentally going through their teen years again, except not as a stunted man).
This is what originally differentiated them from the Millennial channer, who was an anarchist in nature, and enjoyed the chaos. But as we see with post-Chanology conservative non-white invasion of 4troon ruining it as a white anarchist space, the faillennial unwilling to continue the fight against ZOG without their youthful energy (which they sacrificed to the alter Obama in an attempt to become their parents) becomes near-identical to the Gen X/Xennial goon, both willing to rat out Zoomers to the faggot Gestapo for doing anything "wrong" like they did, hoping by aligning themselves with the system they could only be put back in The Matrix like Cypher and finally "have a normal one".
(05-22-2023, 02:47 PM)JohnnyRomero Wrote: [ -> ][...] The tired cynicism of the 'wood seems Gen X, but the stodgy conformism and moralism reeks of Millennilol.
Succinct answer, I agree. This is why I think the sub-generational divides are worth discussing— because the merger between generations (in this case, Gen X to Y) are part of how these "groups" (or phenomena) form.