12-27-2022, 09:58 PM
This is in response to Anthony, who said elsewhere that he has long gone back and forth on the BMDQ. I thought it would make a good thread. The thread is also known as the Second Wannsee Conference.
It is sensible to be ambivalent on the BMDQ. Since causing death is not the goal in itself it stands to reason there could be any number of approaches to solving the foreigner problem dictated by circumstance. If the economy is good, and immediate manpower needed, segregate and strip of rights. If military production needed, enslave them. If conquest required, conscript them. If they would willingly leave, let them leave. If they are good for nothing and you can make them leave, make them leave. If, and whenever, they are good for nothing and will not leave, kill them.
Some foreigners in some places might prove too large an interest group to trust keeping around. This does not mean that they must be totally eliminated, only at the least culled. It would be good if the BasedReich did this to them at the outset, and then gave them any necessary leniency afterward. It would also possibly be good at some period of time to hypothetically opportunistically cull them individually extra-legally, especially if the individuals selected have no economic value.
In my own imperial fantasy, I like the idea of sending armies of foreigners off to conquer their native lands as client states of the Empire. This, like TND or categorical BMDQ, is a fantasy and not a strategy.
It must be said also that immediately killing all of them is kind of a caricature. The way this usually goes is: make things progressively more inhospitable for them, then maybe flat out tell them to leave. Anyone remaining is killed. Expenses need not necessarily be spared to deport them; if these people would migrate treacherous oceans on shitty rafts for free shit, I'm sure they would migrate treacherous oceans on shitty rafts to not get rounded up and shot to death.
I believe that the 100% white nation is also a kind of fantasy, and sub-optimal. Such a nation is not as meritocratic, not as versatile. Especially so if the ideal should be "100% native ethnic group". A return to normal (pre-WW2) levels of nativism is desirable. But there has undeniably been an abnormal fuck up since then that must be corrected by abnormal measures.
It is sensible to be ambivalent on the BMDQ. Since causing death is not the goal in itself it stands to reason there could be any number of approaches to solving the foreigner problem dictated by circumstance. If the economy is good, and immediate manpower needed, segregate and strip of rights. If military production needed, enslave them. If conquest required, conscript them. If they would willingly leave, let them leave. If they are good for nothing and you can make them leave, make them leave. If, and whenever, they are good for nothing and will not leave, kill them.
Some foreigners in some places might prove too large an interest group to trust keeping around. This does not mean that they must be totally eliminated, only at the least culled. It would be good if the BasedReich did this to them at the outset, and then gave them any necessary leniency afterward. It would also possibly be good at some period of time to hypothetically opportunistically cull them individually extra-legally, especially if the individuals selected have no economic value.
In my own imperial fantasy, I like the idea of sending armies of foreigners off to conquer their native lands as client states of the Empire. This, like TND or categorical BMDQ, is a fantasy and not a strategy.
It must be said also that immediately killing all of them is kind of a caricature. The way this usually goes is: make things progressively more inhospitable for them, then maybe flat out tell them to leave. Anyone remaining is killed. Expenses need not necessarily be spared to deport them; if these people would migrate treacherous oceans on shitty rafts for free shit, I'm sure they would migrate treacherous oceans on shitty rafts to not get rounded up and shot to death.
I believe that the 100% white nation is also a kind of fantasy, and sub-optimal. Such a nation is not as meritocratic, not as versatile. Especially so if the ideal should be "100% native ethnic group". A return to normal (pre-WW2) levels of nativism is desirable. But there has undeniably been an abnormal fuck up since then that must be corrected by abnormal measures.