cats Wrote:Mason Hall-McCullough Wrote:I agree with the OP to a degree, but perhaps we are assuming a young woman is more capable of thinking for herself than she actually is.
Polemical, but ultimately absurd. Women are spiteful and stupid but more than capable of taking action independent of the will of female authority figures in their lives. Even if we take the practice of "breast ironing" to be intrasexual sabotage and not a genuine response to African males being violent, stupid, impulsive rapists, White girls are not nearly so beholden to the longhouse as African females owing to the momentum of Western civilization's legacy, despite ZOG's damnedest efforts.
Teachers, mothers, and therapists are enablers, no doubt, but most young women who "transition" seem to, by their own admission, have been inspired by male Minecraft YouTubers with sexy voices they watched as a teenager.
(This is YouTuber "ranboo", for reference. Prominent poonfuel.)
Think you for getting us back on track in a potentially productive direction. This ties into the whole overly online autism thing,
and the death of subcultures. We have to ask ourselves, all kids are online now,
what are they doing? And more particularly, what are the girls doing? Apparently they're really into gaming youtube. But of course "gaming youtube" is a lot of things. What are they into when they're into gaming youtube? They're into the boys. More particularly, look at this ranboo character.
Cats and I have discussed the online interests of girls at some length and something that comes up a lot is their fascination with males that have a bit of
created distance in their presentation. Masks (as above, and Dream), objects for head , they even like
monster-heads.
[drawn by a woman, look how tough but harmless he looks. They're both having fun. He's sort of like the japanese version of the nu-Kratos Goylem slave. What if he wasn't ugly fat and bearded? Then he's just kind of a dumb non-threatening man. Forest Gump with a lizard head. No, I have not read this manga, how could you tell?]
[drawn by a male with an interest in deviance and odd sources of comfort, female fans exist]
[Cocteau's
Beauty and the Beast. Actress on the left famously cried
"what have you done with my beast!" when the actor showed up as himself for a human scene.]
[Haven't seen Hazbin Hotel either, but this tv-head guy is a recurring
type in the fascinations of girls. In fact if you think about the history of this forum...]
[And of course the girls love their slenderman. This ties into the way
they are into
horror and the dynamic in this particular image strongly resembles that of 'Girl From the Other Side'.
None of this is
settled of course, but there's clearly a lot of interest going on here. Perhaps a more general thread on the psychology of online girl pop-culture could go more in depth here, but for now this is still relevant to the thread subject.
Girl says she has a gender complex because of 'Ranboo'. What is 'Ranboo'? What is the appeal of 'Minecraft Youtubers'? What form are they trending towards and why does it sell?
The trend I see, whenever I see girls really into minecraft youtubers or whatever, youtube talking heads seems to be a very zogged game, lots of niggers reacting to inane things and screaming and chimping and being what they are, but the girl stuff seems to be overwhelmingly
white male. It's possibly
the only place where I see real skinny young white guys succeeding and attaining idol-like status.
People joke that Taylor Swift is massive because she's the one skinny white woman allowed to succeed (it's true), but where's the male Taylor Swift? There isn't one. Massive pop-star concerts are maybe kind of an old and dying thing at this point, nobody really bothering to try to create a new Elvis or Prince or whatever, instead you farm Spottemgottems and they do shows and you do all right off that I suppose.
You do all right, but I remember certain not too old phenomena that seemed to do a lot better.
What the hell happened to these guys? I don't mean these individuals, but this
type? You can absolutely sell any not very remarkable skinny 7/10+ white teenage male to the world to the tune of billions if you care to. But it's not done anymore. Did the market dry up? I think not. I think it was very obviously manipulated from above towards the demands of affirmative action, and that its primary consumer demographic broke up between seeking next best things presented to them from above (korean insects larping as white people or trying to pretend niggers aren't boring) or they found their attention drawn to the next biggest neglected cultural space where white males were still cool and in charge.
Things like Bieber and One Direction were fucking massive. Very cultivated, of course, but they were appealing to something that was there in that audience. And where does that audience go when you cut off their supply? They have to go
somewhere. Subcultures (very white thing) were taken away, white idols were taken away, I think this gives us
more online girls, and online girls who are
more online.
And once they're online what are they into? The desire for male idols seems to be somewhat unstoppable and eternal. Particularly girls seem to have a strong desire for this finer presenting white male type. The English speaking world is a giant niggerocracy which has shifted to giving people what they want to attempting to manipulate what people want in all fields considered worthy of attention. The machine that does this is big and powerful, but slow and stupid and doesn't effectively cover the whole world. As I say a lot, what people actually like still gets made in Japan, leading to effortless global cultural dominance. But new subcultures and media also escape the eye of sauron for a while. Video games were an extremely male, white, and based cultural space before they got too big and got noticed, which led to a war from above and transformation into an industry which
resists rather than serves natural taste. I believe that the same goes for youtube and youtube subcultures, scenes, and spaces.
These people thought they had the situation under control maybe, there was the white male Taylor Swift for the world to admire to some acceptable degree in the rat-faced mischling Timothee Chalamet starring in movies nobody under the age of 30 cares about. Problem solved. Pressure relieved. But of course, in reality Chalamet probably secures about 100 ticket sales worldwide to the
girls under the age of 15 demographic. Who the hell sees movies anymore? Who's lining up around the block to see Chalamet and the frumpy mulatta with
resting "do better" face pose in front of Denis Villeneuve's artstation wallpaper selections for 180 minutes?
Girls certainly aren't. Apparently they'd rather watch 'Renboo'.
How does this happen? I don't think it's that common. Online culture for younger children seems to be relatively unisex. Minecraft is for everyone. Minecraft hosts play to this younger
everyone. It's as much a dollhouse as it's frontier conquest simulator, if not moreso. And I think boys are more likely to get bored and eventually move on than girls, since they'll be more interested in the substance of the game than the personality or figure behind it. Meaning that the retainable audience, and growing share over time, are girls. Meaning these personalities and figures start styling themselves towards the tastes and interests of girls, and the audience starts selecting for who can best satisfy that taste.
For a particularly weird and old example of this in action, did you know that former massive Starcraft commentator Husky
became a girl-youtube producer?
Appealing to girl-youtube is turning this man into
something, but he's an imperfect example. Too old. Works in production and is only semi-visible. If we look at the front and now we can see what's happening. Girl-youtube is turning gaming-hosts into idols.
Look at ranboo again. Does this not look like a One Direction shoot only with a retarded raped cartoon shirt and a mask?
That's why there's more to this than just me saying "content creators are idols filling a desired white cultural niche". When women have this much more control, and are catered to this much more directly, things get weirder. Arguably we're seeing culture turning towards the satisfaction of weirder women, or, possibly, we're seeing the most acutely woman-satisfying cultural turn ever recorded.
When girls are choosing, the figures are younger white guys on the leaner and fancier side, sure, so far this fits with the historic pattern a culture responding to taste, but when girls are
really choosing, the guys all start wearing masks, playing strange, distanced and affected cartoon characters, the idealising images lean towards anthropomorphic forms rather than just men...
[When women look at Ranboo apparently they see this.]
Maybe the internet is doing this, or maybe if women had more say in the 20th century Elvis Presley would have been forced to wear a giant TV on his head, hard to say. I will say that these mass-appeal idol figures often have a kind of dehumanised presence and appeal, strange quirks they play up which perhaps create a godlike distance and make them easier to love entirely. Before the masks and objectheads we head Elvis in a cape and sunglasses, we had Michael Jackson wearing a hat and one glove, David Bowie dressing like a retarded spaceman, etc.
Perhaps there are clues to be found if we keep using ranboo as a case-study. Let's take a look at
creatorpedia...
Quote:Gender and sexuality
Ranboo identifies and presents as non-binary[sup][1][/sup] and was assigned male at birth. Their pronouns are he/they[sup][2][/sup]. He is gay - while originally having said that he is "technically unlabeled"[sup][3][/sup], Ranboo later commented that he had said this due to internalized homophobia. He publicly confirmed that he was gay on Twitter on April 24, 2022, which was ubiquitously well received by their fans and fellow creators, after several months of dropping covert hints. He is presently not thought to be in any romantic relationship. He publicly confirmed that he was non-binary and went by he/they pronouns on Coming Out Day (October 11) 2022.
To bring it back to the image that started this line of inquiry
In the past we had girls looking at
hot or
cute successful males, and in recognition of their desirability and status wanting to get fucked by them, or associate with them and enjoy fame and glamour or whatever. Now we have girls looking at this vaguely male
character, which is outspokenly not sexually interested in them, and does not present a human face, which talks over minecraft, and they look at it and develop a 'gender crisis'.
We can speculate a lot from here, but do you all accept the story so far?
Anyway, from here it looks to me like when girls are fully empowered to choose they select towards a kind of ideal male in whom they have picked and chosen certain traits to keep and certain traits to remove, culminating in this assembly line of non-threatening floppy blonde haired skinny guys who affably talk over minecraft and play up some kind of perhaps
too distant dreamy factor which becomes a full blown asexuality (to them stated male homosexuality may as well be that). It's a man who's comforting and funny and there and oh so charming and appealing but that whole uncomfortable thing of men being kind of scary and all wanting to fuck women is completely defused out of the character. TV-head might be scary and sinister, but he does not rape. Monster-man can be an intimidating and mysterious guardian and authority figure, but he does not rape. Ranboo can be so powerful and charming and have an army of girls at his feet,
but he does not rape. And that's why he feels perfect. He's what this new cultural machine selects for.
But still, men are men and women are women, and even if we're scared of our feelings we still have them. Girls watching guys like this feel
sexual feelings, obviously. But he's publicly declared himself a eunuch to you, and you got so comfortable with the idea of him because you weren't
thinking of him as a man who would be interested in you and all that. So what happens when we consciously cultivate all this distance and then the feelings emerge despite that? Enter the Gender Crisis. How do we have Ranboo in life if Ranboo is above and beyond and off limits to us and we're off limits to him? Well everything that's great about Ranboo, you can't
have Ranboo, but the things that are nice about Ranboo, maybe those are attainable...
You see now, I'm working to a girl version of the Sphere Hunter conclusion. If the target of this particular pooner's transition was interested in her on terms she was comfortable with, would she transition? This is of course slightly more complex than the gender reversed case because the kind of man who troons is taught to be afraid of his own feelings towards women (there was recently a large twitter thread of troons talking about being afraid of any actions towards women being
predatory) , a woman approaching him aggressively would overcome that. The kind of girl who poons out is afraid of men's potential feelings to her, so even an ideal man seriously approaching her might just scare her off. Not only would this desired type of man have to enter her life, it would have to be on terms she could be comfortable with.
And again this raises questions of where the finer men who can approach the strange ideals of girls went, what happened to contact between the sexes, etc, and the sufficient answer for all of it is libtardism. I've said a lot here and opened things up for even more explanations, theories, and further questions, so this particular line of thought can rest for now.
Quote:Of course, to say that Minecraft YouTubers are the sole cause for pooners would be retarded. Perhaps, alongside factors previously discussed by Anthony, there was a "universalization" of experiences between the sexes with the onset of mass internet. YouTubers like Markiplier and Ranboo didn't start out with massive female fanbases. They made typical "let's play" content for an audience that was presumed to be almost-if-not-entirely young males. I'm not familiar enough to say how these huge young female fanbases came to be, but they did, and during these transitory periods, before these YouTubers eventually realized how the demographics of their fanbases were shifting and slotted themselves into their new roles, they were exposed to these largely unfiltered masculine cultures. It's easy to imagine this environment as something which lends itself to enhancing dysphoric feelings of all kinds in pubescent girls. The recently legitimized, previously obscure fetish lifestyle of transexualism was all too perfect for filling in the gaps.
All of this is to say that there are very few cases which can be attributed to intrasexual sabotage, or even the longhouse directly. Vectors for "dysphoric" feeling are universally online in unsupervised spaces. The status boost of being a troon in Weimarica probably does the rest of the work in creating the pooner — this you could certainly blame partially on older women/ZOG. I still see this as the weird book girl response to a Africanized society that hates them for reasons they cannot fathom.
You can see I worked parts of the rest of this post into my thinking above. Thank you for all of it.