The Other Internet Tranny Sociology Thread: Pooner Edition

[ourokouros]

Are you blind? Teenage girls are chopping their tits off and chemically sterilizing themselves to escape from all this. You celebrate the Oracles? That's the most based thing I've heard from you, women are happiest as woo woo magic girls, that's the life they need to pursue to be happy. You can see vestiges of this desire in femoid culture, they love things like astrology, it's one of the few things other than being pretty that they're truly passionate for. As priestesses, women can do what they truly good at (Spirituality) and have a respected position in society, without infringing on the world of men. In Germanic Pagan societies, women were minor priestesses of the hearth. They lead the rituals to appease the feminine deities and minor spirits like elves. (Deities which played a bigger role in normal life than war Gods like Odin or Tyr, which are exclusively for men.) Paganism needs to return, and it needs to be all-encompassing in the lives of both men and women. We can keep Christ as one of our Gods (I interpret him as Baldr), but there needs to be others. Gods and Goddesses for every aspect of human society, everything needs to be seen as spiritual and holy.

Funny you mention women as minor priestesses of the hearth since goddesses of the hearth are a vestige of the pre-Indo-European longhouse culture. This is relatively well documented in the case of Hestia/Vesta, and I strongly suspect this carried over into the proto-Germanic cultures as well. 
As for "bigger roles in normal life", Freya had a very significant role.
P.S. Modern women love astrology because it is a very deterministic branch of divination, along with tarot. It allows them to make arbitrary decisions based on "fate written in the stars", and to blame the heavens for their own faults.
You won't see many of these women dabbling in mirror scrying, oneiromancy or other methods of divination that require a good deal more personal interpretation and spiritual work. The days of women like my great-grandmother diving with chicken entrails and ashes are long gone. Their interest in these has more to do with looking for excuses for their behaviour than in any genuine interest in the divine. A close parallel can be observed with the "tradcath egirl" trend sparked by redscare - lurk in any of their telegram channels and it's almost exclusively porn, followed by "oops I need to confess now hehe"

Modern female spirituality is just them realizing that they're massive cunts and attempting to stave off the consequences of their cuntiness by absolving themselves, either via confession and praying to mother mary whose image they can juxtapose with that of Mia Wallace, or with deterministic amateur divination and praying to "the divine feminine", more commonly known as Venus of Willendorf.

[Cyber Viking]

Funny you mention women as minor priestesses of the hearth since goddesses of the hearth are a vestige of the pre-Indo-European longhouse culture. This is relatively well documented in the case of Hestia/Vesta, and I strongly suspect this carried over into the proto-Germanic cultures as well.

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I know this is derailing the thread, so apologies in advance. Should we take further posts on this subject to another thread? I also want to apologize if I seem arrogant with this post, it's not my intention, just how I communicate.

The pre-Indo European longhouse culture's spirituality was exclusively feminine, of the Moon, of the Vanir, yes. The little things, domestic life, and the cold, these are all of the feminine. The Indo-Europeans warred against the Moon with their Gods of glory, heat, and of the Sun, the Aesir. We however see a synthesis of the Pantheons after the Indo-Europeans have their victory over the farmers. The Aesir (Gods of the Pastoral Conquerors) and the Vanir (Gods of the Farmers) became married together, just as men and women are meant to be married together. This is why the Norse worshiped both the Aseir and Vanir. The Aesir-Vanir war is a symbol of how the masculine and feminine used to war against each-other, and how in Aryan society the forces eventually found balance. Balance is the key to greatness and goodness in my opinion, I don't think the Vikings were cucks because they honored the Vanir, and liked their women. I worship both the Aesir, and the Vanir. The chief Gods of the German, Odin, and Baldr/Christ, are very balanced. They embody traits of both Moon and Star.

Freya had a very significant role.

You are not wrong, Freya very much represents the fanatical dark side of the Vanir, she is a warrior Goddess of magic and blood. Freya is terrifying and destructive femininity. Freya isn't actually generally worshiped by women however, she is worshiped by men who exist to please her. Freya wants men to slaughter each-other to renew the soil and the world. The Aztecs were worshiping something similar to Freya, they believed other men had to be sacrificed to keep Mother Earth alive, that their blood had to feed the soil and plants. The Valkyries too, they are feminine deities worshiped by men horny for the love of bloodthirsty Goddesses. Baduhenna was a similar Goddess (Might just be a different name for Freya) that the Frisians sacrificed Romans to. Most women aren't actually interested in Freya, and Freya doesn't care about them. (Except for the rare Priestess) Freya is a Goddess for men.

One things that's unequivocally true, is that even in longhoused cultures where men are the rulers, they are still dominated by the Moon. The Aztecs are a good example for this (Despite their outward Sun worship). The Aztecs Gods didn't give any shit about women, women were breeding stock in the Aztec Empire, and the nation was completely dominated by priests and their warriors. The Aztecs were still longhoused however, they were still oppressed by the old and even the finest warriors were still just slaves to the priests who commanded them to sacrifice. I believe our modern longhouse is a cursed mixture of the Aztec and pre-Indo European longhouse, but truly beneficial to nobody. It's not beneficial to men, to women, to any Gods (Except maybe destruction), or even the priests. It's the most retarded and terrible longhouse that has ever existed.

P.S. Modern women love astrology because it is a very deterministic branch of divination, along with tarot. It allows them to make arbitrary decisions based on "fate written in the stars", and to blame the heavens for their own faults.

I'm not saying that modern woman's interest in the occult is anything but a cargo cult, but you can still see the interest on their part. I would also say that there's nothing wrong with deterministic divination, when done right, I'm pretty sure that's what the Oracles practiced.

The days of women like my great-grandmother diving with chicken entrails and ashes are long gone. 

I know, and it's so sad. Modern women don't actually accept Astrology (Even though they want to) Women have been mindfucked by rationalism and feminism. To most women Astrology is just a larp-game, something to believe at some points and than dismiss at others. Actually diving is something that scares them, as it takes an abstraction and makes it real and very serious. However, women larp, because the reality of spirituality still speaks to them on a subconscious level. Everyone would be happier if their larp became real.

Their interest in these has more to do with looking for excuses for their behaviour than in any genuine interest in the divine. A close parallel can be observed with the "tradcath egirl" trend sparked by redscare - lurk in any of their telegram channels and it's almost exclusively porn, followed by "oops I need to confess now hehe"

I don't disagree, everything is fake and gay nowadays. People aren't genuine anymore, if they were, the world wouldn't be the way it is. The problem with these chicks is that the spiritual woo woo shit is what they truly are, but they can't accept it themselves. They still have the cool feminist in their brain telling them they need to be rational. The cool feminist in their brains tells them they need to whore around, and gain advantage over men.

praying to "the divine feminine", more commonly known as Venus of Willendorf

Frigg is an important Goddess to women, and should be respected by men as-well. There's nothing wrong with the divine feminine, when it's married to the divine masculine. As Odin married Frigg. I find the Venus of Willendorf grotesque, it's what happens when the feminine dominates in narcissistic worship of itself, it's ugly. I however find masculine self-worship just as grotesque, it's a similar end result, faggots eating Doritos soyjacking over the Superbowl. Aesthetic taste is something found in balance, not narcissism.

[ourokouros]

Fair, maybe another thread is a better place for this discussion. 
Back to the current topic, I actually found out last year that an ex of mine turned into a pooner. 
I'll try to sum up her traits as a person, in case it helps the discussion:
Art hoe through and through, with a degree, was into black metal at the time we were dating, severe case of repressed lesbianism looking back. Pretty insecure as a person, very needy when it comes to affection, unnecessarily argumentative at times, mostly towards women. Very afraid of her mother and simultaneously pitied her. Got along fine with her brother, relatively normal relationship with her father. 

Physically, she was short, about 1,50, very slight build, so she now larps physically as a k-pop boyband singer, haircut included. Also likes hello kitty and from what I gathered is now bisexual despite trying to pass as a man. 

Personally I believe the cause was the poor relationship with her mother, maybe the rest of you can glean insights.

[august]

It's not really an envy of manhood that exists in FtM's, they are seeking something of a regression. They want to reject womanhood by going backwards. This is why they are almost always associating themselves with extremely childish aesthetics and interests. The radical feminist penis envy and usurping of manhood both advocates for and results in a different type of female, one who is usually more promiscuous and behaves more aggressively, whereas the FtMs are much more blatantly fragile figures. Though I am sure feminism would reluctantly validate this group nonetheless, the two worldviews don't seem very compatible with each other, women who internalize the view that they can do anything men can and should be like men almost always become seething female supremacists rather than FtMs (the distinctly unmanly nature of FTM post-transformation is key to note in this regard).

These two camps of Dissatisfied Women, radfems and female-to-male transgenders. Whatever the solution that their dissatisfaction with womanhood caused them to settle on—different as they may appear—does not all of it stem from the same general catalyst? In the words of that certain Picardian nobleman: "The sentiment of her inferiority secretly governs all her behaviour." Today, so fortunately for us, they have revealed that this sentiment governs not-so-secretly.

You're probably right that the pooner seeks, to an extent, a sort of regression as a means of escaping womanhood, but I think that this is generally universal to all women. I never turn down an opportunity to receive a Posted It Again award: "This is why women remain children all their lives, for they always see only what is near at hand [...] take the appearance of a thing for reality, and prefer trifling matters to the most important." 

There's also Paglia, who portrays herself as a bit of a mix between the radfem (in her words, "Amazon feminist") and the pooner that clings to some realised or unrealised adolescent experience. Talk about Posted It Again awards... for decades, she's never missed the opportunity to talk about how she dressed up as a Roman solider and Napoleon for Halloween when she was a little girl. Is she a synthesis of the two? Maybe this is why men can undeniably consider her a "feminist", yet oddly enough find her palatable at the same time. 

When this was budding in the shoutbox, I mentioned that I've previously thought about this and toyed with the idea that the female-to-male phenomenon is possibly Penis Envy taken to its logical end. Whether that's the case or not, I don't think that radfems and pooners are distinct and mutually exclusive from each other. The origins of both are shared in that each springs from simply being born a woman and the all-too-woman ways of responding to that reality. Another fitting word from the Picard:



It's only the last sentence there that's no longer true. No longer true. The changes that have occurred over the last ninety years, perhaps both the shortest and longest ninety years in history, reveal much as to why that is; it's now men, for possibly the first time ever, that we see having developed an inferiority complex, and maybe this adds another layer to the botched result that is the "distinctly unmanly nature of FTM post-transformation". I don't believe that pooners would be able to successfully pass for a man in any case, but maybe it's also worth thinking about the average man that serves as their template. That is, man in the age of the Straight Homosexual.

[a system is failing]

Art hoe through and through, with a degree, was into black metal at the time we were dating, severe case of repressed lesbianism looking back. Pretty insecure as a person, very needy when it comes to affection, unnecessarily argumentative at times, mostly towards women. Very afraid of her mother and simultaneously pitied her. Got along fine with her brother, relatively normal relationship with her father. 

I think the broad statement "easy relationship with (brothers, father, male friends) and difficult relationship with (mom, sisters, female friends)" probably describes many pooners and pooner-sympathetic females. In fact even as misogyny goes, the word "difficult" is more appropriate than "dislike". That's why the pooner becomes male to start with, the idea of the world of feminity being inherently an arduous and confusing life. Poor relationships with other women are more of a symptom than cause. I think it's certainly most accurate to say this disconnect is inherently with male sexuality, it's less performing feminine in most cases than this which is the real snagging point. The ftm girls cannot relate to other women who either weaponize or enjoy male sexual interest towards themselves. Pooners become "desexualized" males when they troonsition vecause they want to be "one the boys" without any of them noticing they are female and developing sexual interest accordingly. Similarly to the delusions of MtF trannies (how they all date other troons), these types quickly realize they can't have this via transitioning either and basically have to build an entirely alternate world of ftms dating and being around each other, their own form of "petri dish masculinity" where nothing ACTUALLY male and thus scary or upsetting can intrude. I would maybe extend that all matters of transgenderism are fundamentally about sex more than community or belonging, and are themselves downstream of mass sexual empowerment of women, and particularly mass frigidity.

[Mason Hall-McCullough]

I agree with the OP to a degree, but perhaps we are assuming a young woman is more capable of thinking for herself than she actually is. Admittedly I skimmed some of the... longer posts, but I didn't see discussion of grooming here, which can often be malicious rather than merely misguided or maladapted. I think a significant component of institutional transgender grooming is spiteful intrasexual sabotage carried out by older women.

In parts of Africa, breast ironing is practiced:

The practice is typically performed by a close female figure to the victim, traditionally fulfilled by a mother, grandmother, aunt, or female guardian.

[...]

The ironing practice is generally performed around dusk or dawn in a private area such as the household kitchen to prevent others from seeing the victim or becoming aware of the process, particularly fathers or other male figures.

(In the case of female genital mutilation, also note that "The cutter is usually an older woman".)

I assume that these female family members who mutilate the breasts of young women were also themselves subjected to this abuse when they were young, although the Wikipedia article does not really discuss motivations aside from implying that the reasoning used to justify the practice is not entirely honest. Breast ironing was able to exist in a low trust African culture as pure abuse without it offering any sort of social benefit to the girl, so there doesn't necessarily have to be any positive appeal to transgenderism. (Supposedly a girl who is not subject to FGM on the other hand may experience social exclusion, but who knows if that is even true. Can we say the same about male circumcision? Jews are neurotic and resentful... It's probably a stretch, today it seems to just be a retarded medical norm that nobody cares enough to change, and it's not that harmful.)

The intergenerational abuse perpetuation of breast ironing cannot apply in exactly the same sense to FtM transition, since the latter hasn't been around for that long and prevents childbearing, but I think it's quite reasonable to suspect that there are similar intentions motivating socially accepted practices of adolescent sexual mutilation. There is an obvious similarity between breast ironing and the mastectomy surgery itself.

It's well understood that the people pushing transgenderism are most often teachers and psychiatrists, who are disproportionately female. The pathological jealousy of women is also commonly attested to. Women will compliment their fat ugly peers in public only to cruelly gossip about them in private, and from my observation many women also admit to hating both sorts of troons when they're speaking privately or anonymously even though they publicly express positions of support.

I suspect those female teachers and psychiatrists who push transgenderism are often jealous of the youthful beauty of young boys and girls, and experience a sadistic pleasure in ruining their lives by tricking young people into accepting hormones/surgery. This can be unconsciously incentivized (they are gratified by it without reflecting on why) or may extend to conscious malice in some cases. Victims who transition before adulthood have indubitably been deceived or coerced even if they don't end up regretting their "decision". Most women are not fully able to decide or believe things on their own, even as adults.

[august]

"If AWAN, and also AWAJ, the FtM becomes sort of like a messed up tragic hero."

[Zed]

"If AWAN, and also AWAJ, the FtM becomes sort of like a messed up tragic hero."

A good deal detransition when the reality of short (not to mention dickless) male status kicks in. A few noble souls, here and there, have embraced the incel blackpill and gone on to become the most extreme of misogynists.

[Zed]

Let me start by saying that e-right physiognomy is a shit science. And, with a few mild exceptions, overall skull shape tends to tell you quite little about a person.

Now one may ask - what does? 

My answer: Eyes. It comes in the way they flicker when a person speaks. The ways they can dance. In eyes, and in eyes alone, you can spot brilliance, madness, love and beauty. All without understanding a word. Do their eyes penetrate? Are they frenetic? Or they hold tight in lifeless languid orbits? I've met idiots, schizophrenics, geniuses, and middle managers - and their eyes will yield the truth of person, far more quickly and accurately than reason may ever surmise. Often even, a single still frame can be enough.


Now what do eyes have to do with pooners? I invite you to consider:



My question: What can you see in those eyes?

And - ignoring the fact that they were/are a pooner - would you trust this person? 

Why or why not?

[Cyber Viking]

My question: What can you see in those eyes?

And - ignoring the fact that they were/are a pooner - would you trust this person? 

Why or why not?

They're soulless, they look like they've been beaten down so much in life that there's no hope or joy left. They're the eyes of a heroin addict. Of a creature just waiting to die.

No

You don't trust soulless NPC drug addicts. They want to die, and they'll drag you down with them if they can.

[Zed]

My question: What can you see in those eyes?

And - ignoring the fact that they were/are a pooner - would you trust this person? 

Why or why not?

They're soulless, they look like they've been beaten down so much in life that there's no hope or joy left. They're the eyes of a heroin addict. Of a creature just waiting to die.

No

You don't trust soulless NPC drug addicts. They want to die, and they'll drag you down with them if they can.

In the ballpark I suppose. Another acceptable answers is prey eyes. Or, my choice, borderlne eyes.

This is one specific subtype of pooner, a kind of encountered at least a dozen times over the course of my life. Both before and after their transition - and often, their detransition - they make the lives of everyone in their vicinity hellish. They are the kind of women who will talk about the trauma of being raped, when their rape was some boy trying to kiss them in middle school. They'll emotionally gaslight you, lie, and re-invent history. This they do impulsively, without thought or care. They hate themselves and perceive deeply their own undesirability. Poonerdom is one possible outcome, but other identity/body disorders are common - bulimia in particular. Eventually, they will settle down with a man desperate enough, and inflict on him a torturous existence. If they have kids, their children will also become vectors for emotional abuse.

This is one phentotype of pooners that I've noted as common. There are others, less offensive in their fundamental natures. The autistic pooner is a different, sadder story.

Much ink in this thread is about protecting women from themselves, and this feels as chivalric as it is quixotic. Is it a bad thing that some women like this sterilize themselves?

[august]

Is it a bad thing that some women like this sterilize themselves?

It would be a very great thing, if they were confined to their due place in any halfway sane society, that being essentially complete relegation. Instead, is not the opposite true? De facto rule by these protected classes ("anarcho-tyranny")—but it's all basically been said already.

[Cyber Viking]

Much ink in this thread is about protecting women from themselves, and this feels as chivalric as it is quixotic. Is it a bad thing that some women like this sterilize themselves?

What you say makes sense. For the type of borderline pooner you describe, the last thing they should be doing is having children; the just thing is to not let allow them to breed in order to prevent them from creating more people like themselves. In a just society, we would send these tortured things into a nunnery, away from normal people, where they perhaps could find some semblance of purpose and peace. (Or at-least, have their influence away from others.). Mutilating them is harsh if there are alternative methods to deal with them; there's no need to be resentful towards such pathetic creatures.

It might seem quixotic to sympathize with wretched animals like this, but I'd say that such humanity proves the righteousness of our positions. Deep down, we don't want people to suffer horrible fates, which is why we're horrified seeing girls being mutilated (Even if intellectually we can understand it's probably for the best interests of everyone in many instances.) There's also the autistic pooners which you also mentioned, I know the type; they do not deserve to be allowed to mutilate themselves just because it would eliminate the borderlines from the gene pool. August also made a good point, trannies are not losing influence through their self-mutilation (Though they are sterilizing themselves) These borderline whores are gaining influence and power over the lives of others through the process of self-destruction. It's not even really for the greater good under Zog, it's just a another symbol of anacho-tyranny, and in basedworld we would have better methods.

[FlyWithYou]

My question: What can you see in those eyes?

Stupid dull selfish hunger.

[capgras]

I like these eyes. They're tragicomic. They convey superiority to the subject matter accompanied by painful resignation.

[Guest]

[…]



My question: What can you see in those eyes?
[…]

Sickness. Sickness of a purely bodily type. Their mind on the other hand is empty and unaffected. This person is more narcissistic than erotic. A lot of the trials in this persons life are due to the sickness of their body affecting their actions in deleterious ways. But even if this person was cured of their bodily affliction they would still be shallow and inauthentic. Essential put: this person is a natural firebrand. Probably a theater kid.

[cats]

I agree with the OP to a degree, but perhaps we are assuming a young woman is more capable of thinking for herself than she actually is.

Polemical, but ultimately absurd. Women are spiteful and stupid but more than capable of taking action independent of the will of female authority figures in their lives. Even if we take the practice of "breast ironing" to be intrasexual sabotage and not a genuine response to African males being violent, stupid, impulsive rapists, White girls are not nearly so beholden to the longhouse as African females owing to the momentum of Western civilization's legacy, despite ZOG's damnedest efforts.

Teachers, mothers, and therapists are enablers, no doubt, but most young women who "transition" seem to, by their own admission, have been inspired by male Minecraft YouTubers with sexy voices they watched as a teenager.

(This is YouTuber "ranboo", for reference. Prominent poonfuel.)

Of course, to say that Minecraft YouTubers are the sole cause for pooners would be retarded. Perhaps, alongside factors previously discussed by Anthony, there was a "universalization" of experiences between the sexes with the onset of mass internet. YouTubers like Markiplier and Ranboo didn't start out with massive female fanbases. They made typical "let's play" content for an audience that was presumed to be almost-if-not-entirely young males. I'm not familiar enough to say how these huge young female fanbases came to be, but they did, and during these transitory periods, before these YouTubers eventually realized how the demographics of their fanbases were shifting and slotted themselves into their new roles, they were exposed to these largely unfiltered masculine cultures. It's easy to imagine this environment as something which lends itself to enhancing dysphoric feelings of all kinds in pubescent girls. The recently legitimized, previously obscure fetish lifestyle of transexualism was all too perfect for filling in the gaps.

All of this is to say that there are very few cases which can be attributed to intrasexual sabotage, or even the longhouse directly. Vectors for "dysphoric" feeling are universally online in unsupervised spaces. The status boost of being a troon in Weimarica probably does the rest of the work in creating the pooner — this you could certainly blame partially on older women/ZOG. I still see this as the weird book girl response to a Africanized society that hates them for reasons they cannot fathom.

[anthony]

I agree with the OP to a degree, but perhaps we are assuming a young woman is more capable of thinking for herself than she actually is.

Polemical, but ultimately absurd. Women are spiteful and stupid but more than capable of taking action independent of the will of female authority figures in their lives. Even if we take the practice of "breast ironing" to be intrasexual sabotage and not a genuine response to African males being violent, stupid, impulsive rapists, White girls are not nearly so beholden to the longhouse as African females owing to the momentum of Western civilization's legacy, despite ZOG's damnedest efforts.

Teachers, mothers, and therapists are enablers, no doubt, but most young women who "transition" seem to, by their own admission, have been inspired by male Minecraft YouTubers with sexy voices they watched as a teenager.

(This is YouTuber "ranboo", for reference. Prominent poonfuel.)

Think you for getting us back on track in a potentially productive direction. This ties into the whole overly online autism thing, and the death of subcultures. We have to ask ourselves, all kids are online now, what are they doing? And more particularly, what are the girls doing? Apparently they're really into gaming youtube. But of course "gaming youtube" is a lot of things. What are they into when they're into gaming youtube? They're into the boys. More particularly, look at this ranboo character.

Cats and I have discussed the online interests of girls at some length and something that comes up a lot is their fascination with males that have a bit of created distance in their presentation. Masks (as above, and Dream), objects for head , they even like monster-heads.


[drawn by a woman, look how tough but harmless he looks. They're both having fun. He's sort of like the japanese version of the nu-Kratos Goylem slave. What if he wasn't ugly fat and bearded? Then he's just kind of a dumb non-threatening man. Forest Gump with a lizard head. No, I have not read this manga, how could you tell?]


[drawn by a male with an interest in deviance and odd sources of comfort, female fans exist]


[Cocteau's Beauty and the Beast. Actress on the left famously cried "what have you done with my beast!" when the actor showed up as himself for a human scene.]


[Haven't seen Hazbin Hotel either, but this tv-head guy is a recurring type in the fascinations of girls. In fact if you think about the history of this forum...]


[And of course the girls love their slenderman. This ties into the way they are into horror and the dynamic in this particular image strongly resembles that of 'Girl From the Other Side'.

None of this is settled of course, but there's clearly a lot of interest going on here. Perhaps a more general thread on the psychology of online girl pop-culture could go more in depth here, but for now this is still relevant to the thread subject.

Girl says she has a gender complex because of 'Ranboo'. What is 'Ranboo'? What is the appeal of 'Minecraft Youtubers'? What form are they trending towards and why does it sell?

The trend I see, whenever I see girls really into minecraft youtubers or whatever, youtube talking heads seems to be a very zogged game, lots of niggers reacting to inane things and screaming and chimping and being what they are, but the girl stuff seems to be overwhelmingly white male. It's possibly the only place where I see real skinny young white guys succeeding and attaining idol-like status.

People joke that Taylor Swift is massive because she's the one skinny white woman allowed to succeed (it's true), but where's the male Taylor Swift? There isn't one. Massive pop-star concerts are maybe kind of an old and dying thing at this point, nobody really bothering to try to create a new Elvis or Prince or whatever, instead you farm Spottemgottems and they do shows and you do all right off that I suppose.

You do all right, but I remember certain not too old phenomena that seemed to do a lot better.





What the hell happened to these guys? I don't mean these individuals, but this type? You can absolutely sell any not very remarkable skinny 7/10+ white teenage male to the world to the tune of billions if you care to. But it's not done anymore. Did the market dry up? I think not. I think it was very obviously manipulated from above towards the demands of affirmative action, and that its primary consumer demographic broke up between seeking next best things presented to them from above (korean insects larping as white people or trying to pretend niggers aren't boring) or they found their attention drawn to the next biggest neglected cultural space where white males were still cool and in charge.

Things like Bieber and One Direction were fucking massive. Very cultivated, of course, but they were appealing to something that was there in that audience. And where does that audience go when you cut off their supply? They have to go somewhere. Subcultures (very white thing) were taken away, white idols were taken away, I think this gives us more online girls, and online girls who are more online.

And once they're online what are they into? The desire for male idols seems to be somewhat unstoppable and eternal. Particularly girls seem to have a strong desire for this finer presenting white male type. The English speaking world is a giant niggerocracy which has shifted to giving people what they want to attempting to manipulate what people want in all fields considered worthy of attention. The machine that does this is big and powerful, but slow and stupid and doesn't effectively cover the whole world. As I say a lot, what people actually like still gets made in Japan, leading to effortless global cultural dominance. But new subcultures and media also escape the eye of sauron for a while. Video games were an extremely male, white, and based cultural space before they got too big and got noticed, which led to a war from above and transformation into an industry which resists rather than serves natural taste. I believe that the same goes for youtube and youtube subcultures, scenes, and spaces.

These people thought they had the situation under control maybe, there was the white male Taylor Swift for the world to admire to some acceptable degree in the rat-faced mischling Timothee Chalamet starring in movies nobody under the age of 30 cares about. Problem solved. Pressure relieved. But of course, in reality Chalamet probably secures about 100 ticket sales worldwide to the girls under the age of 15 demographic. Who the hell sees movies anymore? Who's lining up around the block to see Chalamet and the frumpy mulatta with resting "do better" face pose in front of Denis Villeneuve's artstation wallpaper selections for 180 minutes?

Girls certainly aren't. Apparently they'd rather watch 'Renboo'.

How does this happen? I don't think it's that common. Online culture for younger children seems to be relatively unisex. Minecraft is for everyone. Minecraft hosts play to this younger everyone. It's as much a dollhouse as it's frontier conquest simulator, if not moreso. And I think boys are more likely to get bored and eventually move on than girls, since they'll be more interested in the substance of the game than the personality or figure behind it. Meaning that the retainable audience, and growing share over time, are girls. Meaning these personalities and figures start styling themselves towards the tastes and interests of girls, and the audience starts selecting for who can best satisfy that taste.

For a particularly weird and old example of this in action, did you know that former massive Starcraft commentator Husky became a girl-youtube producer?






Appealing to girl-youtube is turning this man into something, but he's an imperfect example. Too old. Works in production and is only semi-visible. If we look at the front and now we can see what's happening. Girl-youtube is turning gaming-hosts into idols.



Look at ranboo again. Does this not look like a One Direction shoot only with a retarded raped cartoon shirt and a mask?

That's why there's more to this than just me saying "content creators are idols filling a desired white cultural niche". When women have this much more control, and are catered to this much more directly, things get weirder. Arguably we're seeing culture turning towards the satisfaction of weirder women, or, possibly, we're seeing the most acutely woman-satisfying cultural turn ever recorded.

When girls are choosing, the figures are younger white guys on the leaner and fancier side, sure, so far this fits with the historic pattern a culture responding to taste, but when girls are really choosing, the guys all start wearing masks, playing strange, distanced and affected cartoon characters, the idealising images lean towards anthropomorphic forms rather than just men...


[When women look at Ranboo apparently they see this.]

Maybe the internet is doing this, or maybe if women had more say in the 20th century Elvis Presley would have been forced to wear a giant TV on his head, hard to say. I will say that these mass-appeal idol figures often have a kind of dehumanised presence and appeal, strange quirks they play up which perhaps create a godlike distance and make them easier to love entirely. Before the masks and objectheads we head Elvis in a cape and sunglasses, we had Michael Jackson wearing a hat and one glove, David Bowie dressing like a retarded spaceman, etc.

Perhaps there are clues to be found if we keep using ranboo as a case-study. Let's take a look at creatorpedia...

Gender and sexuality

Ranboo identifies and presents as non-binary[sup][1][/sup] and was assigned male at birth. Their pronouns are he/they[sup][2][/sup]. He is gay - while originally having said that he is "technically unlabeled"[sup][3][/sup], Ranboo later commented that he had said this due to internalized homophobia. He publicly confirmed that he was gay on Twitter on April 24, 2022, which was ubiquitously well received by their fans and fellow creators, after several months of dropping covert hints. He is presently not thought to be in any romantic relationship. He publicly confirmed that he was non-binary and went by he/they pronouns on Coming Out Day (October 11) 2022.

To bring it back to the image that started this line of inquiry



In the past we had girls looking at hot or cute successful males, and in recognition of their desirability and status wanting to get fucked by them, or associate with them and enjoy fame and glamour or whatever. Now we have girls looking at this vaguely male character, which is outspokenly not sexually interested in them, and does not present a human face, which talks over minecraft, and they look at it and develop a 'gender crisis'.

We can speculate a lot from here, but do you all accept the story so far?

Anyway, from here it looks to me like when girls are fully empowered to choose they select towards a kind of ideal male in whom they have picked and chosen certain traits to keep and certain traits to remove, culminating in this assembly line of non-threatening floppy blonde haired skinny guys who affably talk over minecraft and play up some kind of perhaps too distant dreamy factor which becomes a full blown asexuality (to them stated male homosexuality may as well be that). It's a man who's comforting and funny and there and oh so charming and appealing but that whole uncomfortable thing of men being kind of scary and all wanting to fuck women is completely defused out of the character. TV-head might be scary and sinister, but he does not rape. Monster-man can be an intimidating and mysterious guardian and authority figure, but he does not rape. Ranboo can be so powerful and charming and have an army of girls at his feet, but he does not rape. And that's why he feels perfect. He's what this new cultural machine selects for.

But still, men are men and women are women, and even if we're scared of our feelings we still have them. Girls watching guys like this feel sexual feelings, obviously. But he's publicly declared himself a eunuch to you, and you got so comfortable with the idea of him because you weren't thinking of him as a man who would be interested in you and all that. So what happens when we consciously cultivate all this distance and then the feelings emerge despite that?  Enter the Gender Crisis. How do we have Ranboo in life if Ranboo is above and beyond and off limits to us and we're off limits to him? Well everything that's great about Ranboo, you can't have Ranboo, but the things that are nice about Ranboo, maybe those are attainable...

You see now, I'm working to a girl version of the Sphere Hunter conclusion. If the target of this particular pooner's transition was interested in her on terms she was comfortable with, would she transition? This is of course slightly more complex than the gender reversed case because the kind of man who troons is taught to be afraid of his own feelings towards women (there was recently a large twitter thread of troons talking about being afraid of any actions towards women being predatory) , a woman approaching him aggressively would overcome that. The kind of girl who poons out is afraid of men's potential feelings to her, so even an ideal man seriously approaching her might just scare her off. Not only would this desired type of man have to enter her life, it would have to be on terms she could be comfortable with.

And again this raises questions of where the finer men who can approach the strange ideals of girls went, what happened to contact between the sexes, etc, and the sufficient answer for all of it is libtardism. I've said a lot here and opened things up for even more explanations, theories, and further questions, so this particular line of thought can rest for now.

Of course, to say that Minecraft YouTubers are the sole cause for pooners would be retarded. Perhaps, alongside factors previously discussed by Anthony, there was a "universalization" of experiences between the sexes with the onset of mass internet. YouTubers like Markiplier and Ranboo didn't start out with massive female fanbases. They made typical "let's play" content for an audience that was presumed to be almost-if-not-entirely young males. I'm not familiar enough to say how these huge young female fanbases came to be, but they did, and during these transitory periods, before these YouTubers eventually realized how the demographics of their fanbases were shifting and slotted themselves into their new roles, they were exposed to these largely unfiltered masculine cultures. It's easy to imagine this environment as something which lends itself to enhancing dysphoric feelings of all kinds in pubescent girls. The recently legitimized, previously obscure fetish lifestyle of transexualism was all too perfect for filling in the gaps.

All of this is to say that there are very few cases which can be attributed to intrasexual sabotage, or even the longhouse directly. Vectors for "dysphoric" feeling are universally online in unsupervised spaces. The status boost of being a troon in Weimarica probably does the rest of the work in creating the pooner — this you could certainly blame partially on older women/ZOG. I still see this as the weird book girl response to a Africanized society that hates them for reasons they cannot fathom.

You can see I worked parts of the rest of this post into my thinking above. Thank you for all of it.

[cats]

[Cocteau's Beauty and the Beast. Actress on the left famously cried "what have you done with my beast!" when the actor showed up as himself for a human scene.]

Ancient /co/ redpill.

But still, men are men and women are women, and even if we're scared of our feelings we still have them. Girls watching guys like this feel sexual feelings, obviously. But he's publicly declared himself a eunuch to you, and you got so comfortable with the idea of him because you weren't thinking of him as a man who would be interested in you and all that.

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This is of course slightly more complex than the gender reversed case because the kind of man who troons is taught to be afraid of his own feelings towards women (there was recently a large twitter thread of troons talking about being afraid of any actions towards women being predatory)[.]

I think these two statements are connected in ways you may not have thought of.

The implication here seems to be that young female fear of sexuality is inherent whereas young male fear of sexuality is beaten into them like abused dogs. I don't completely disagree, but it's clear that some, even many, aspects of natural female sexuality have been artificially repressed as e-commissars of Afro-Semitic feminism have gained increasing ability to viciously and effectively police spaces where young women roam. I spoke to Earth Rabbit about this briefly, but I believe that the reason girls in online fandom discussion spend so much time whinging about "grooming", abuse, and rape in relationships between fictional characters is at least partially because they are fascinated by all these topics but have no outlet to express this fascination besides the call-out drama video and very occasionally a piece of art that depicts these themes with a million trigger warnings and disclaimers plastered all over it.


["Ugh, I just hate this hebephilic relationship. That's why I spent presumably a dozen hours making this artwork depicting it where everybody including the "groomer" is ethereally beautiful. I and the ~1,000 people who liked and commented on this artwork are not fascinated by this in any way. You can trust us."]

I'd wager that a conditioned fear of their own sexuality has at least some effect on the creation of a pooner, even if I have to concede that it probably doesn't play as much of a role as it does in Troonjak's case, considering that the entirety of ZOG is hyperfocused on making existence miserable for young White males. A Ranboo fangirl trying to get with a gay man would be homophobic, one of the seven deadly sins of libtardism, but what if she was a he? Then she wouldn't have to suppress her desires in such a manner...

[BillyONare]

It's an actual bronskthulean statistic that women are sexually attracted to male chimps (male humans are not sexually attracted by female chimps).