Incelbunds Inbound?
#1
Full disclosure: "Incelbund" is not my phrase -- stole it from this great forum.

I just had a thought while killing time at work: the next decade when it comes to biopolitics, especially sexual politics, will be very interesting. First of all, as F. Roger Devlin discusses in Sexual Utopia in Power, the current zeitgeist in re: dating and relationship formation favors females. Men are told to "be themselves," which makes sex selection for women even easier. Women get to be more cunning and manipulative, while men are consoled with "No bitches?" memes and other crap following constant rejection. As Devlin notes, a sexual aristocracy of men are having more sex than ever, while a vast majority of men and women are not having sex at all. Nobody seems interested in "settling" either. Data backs this up: 

Millennials Lose Their Virginity Later Than Previous Generations (businessinsider.com)
Amount of men under 30 not having sex has tripled in the past decade | JOE is the voice of Irish people at home and abroad

The whole "West Elm Caleb" e-drama (remember that?) was basically women complaining that a man treated them like women treat men. One of the women even stated that Caleb's intended fate was to be just another addition to her "stable." This was a mask-off moment that society turned into men = bad. Such events will continue to turn many men away from dating altogether, thereby further increasing an already Manichaean sexual politics. 

If we factor in Zoomer confusion (highest rate of gay preference) and COVID-19 (a large percentage of the left will never recover from it; permanent hypochondriacs afraid of contact), then we are racing towards a sexless future on top of a future of downward economic mobility for most too. This future will not have the fortune of widespread gospel either, as church attendance is down and being replaced by the hollow machinations of Scientism. There is also the "femcel" phenomenon, which will further contribute to general unhappiness. While the mainstream memes will not change (only men can ever be "losers" or "pathetic" in the sexual marketplace), I do think femcels will have to be reckoned with by the larger culture. They can't be ignored. 

My point in all of this is this: what comes next? People can continue to live as they do now, pretending that their disconnected lives are great because they make art, or have a dog, or whatever. A lot of these people will become boring spinsters and bachelors. Many will commit suicide, thereby contributing to the already awful epidemic of "deaths of despair." Most will maybe have a fling or two, but that will be it. 

However, there will be those unhappy with the bleak duality of die alone or die early. Many will find religion (great). Others may become aggressive. History shows that wife-less men tend to seek danger, and giving the possibility of a multi-polar world, the Age of Incels could coincide with an age of warfare. Are Incelbunds a possibility? 

I don't know, friends. What do you think?
#2
Parasocial relationships with vtubers, streamers and onlyfans will grow. There will be a rise in the 'girlfriend' economy. More 'sugarbabies' and paying women for dates. More delusion. More half white half asian children.
#3
I think the end result is going to be the treatment of sex as an issue of management ultimately, atleast in the states that are invested in the health of their population. It's either that or the transformation of sex into an increasingly financial procedure, which will only further make the youth beholdent to boomers. I think the first option is what is going to happen in all successful states though, no country makes it out of the 21st century without dealing with eugenics in one form or another. I'm personally hopeful that the "breakdown of sex" will allow for it's reorientation in terms of who has children and what values govern attractiveness.
#4
(03-06-2022, 12:37 PM)Sharmat Wrote: I think the end result is going to be the treatment of sex as an issue of management ultimately, atleast in the states that are invested in the health of their population. It's either that or the transformation of sex into an increasingly financial procedure, which will only further make the youth beholdent to boomers. I think the first option is what is going to happen in all successful states though, no country makes it out of the 21st century without dealing with eugenics in one form or another. I'm personally hopeful that the "breakdown of sex" will allow for it's reorientation in terms of who has children and what values govern attractiveness.

Weirdly a positive spin on this issue. My fear is that positive eugenics will remain the reality, while the messaging will still be egalitarian (i.e., "everyone finds someone"). Like economics, the messaging's resistance to reality causes social breakdown.

(03-06-2022, 10:53 AM)FruitVendor Wrote: Parasocial relationships with vtubers, streamers and onlyfans will grow. There will be a rise in the 'girlfriend' economy. More 'sugarbabies' and paying women for dates. More delusion. More half white half asian children.

I agree with everything except the children part. People need a lot of experience to be responsible parents, and I don't foresee "white trash" hooking up with Asians. I foresee just more and more loners/unsexed people until something breaks.
#5
(03-06-2022, 01:51 PM)JustinGeoffrey Wrote:
(03-06-2022, 10:53 AM)FruitVendor Wrote: Parasocial relationships with vtubers, streamers and onlyfans will grow. There will be a rise in the 'girlfriend' economy. More 'sugarbabies' and paying women for dates. More delusion. More half white half asian children.

I agree with everything except the children part. People need a lot of experience to be responsible parents, and I don't foresee "white trash" hooking up with Asians. I foresee just more and more loners/unsexed people until something breaks.

Anecdotal but I picked up a nephew from school once in a nice area and about 30% of the kids in his class were half asian. I'd imagine this phenomenon is more concentrated in coastal cities & Canada.

Low - Middle income whites in the US seem to be marrying hispanic women while uppermiddleclass STEM/programmer whites favor marrying asians. 


Unsexed people will rarely 'revolt in this day and age,' they tend to disconnect & isolate with the rare Elliot Rodger esque flare up. Life is simply too comfortable.
#6
(03-06-2022, 02:08 PM)FruitVendor Wrote:
(03-06-2022, 01:51 PM)JustinGeoffrey Wrote:
(03-06-2022, 10:53 AM)FruitVendor Wrote: Parasocial relationships with vtubers, streamers and onlyfans will grow. There will be a rise in the 'girlfriend' economy. More 'sugarbabies' and paying women for dates. More delusion. More half white half asian children.

I agree with everything except the children part. People need a lot of experience to be responsible parents, and I don't foresee "white trash" hooking up with Asians. I foresee just more and more loners/unsexed people until something breaks.

Anecdotal but I picked up a nephew from school once in a nice area and about 30% of the kids in his class were half asian. I'd imagine this phenomenon is more concentrated in coastal cities & Canada.

Low - Middle income whites in the US seem to be marrying hispanic women while uppermiddleclass STEM/programmer whites favor marrying asians. 


Unsexed people will rarely 'revolt in this day and age,' they tend to disconnect & isolate with the rare Elliot Rodger esque flare up. Life is simply too comfortable.

Probably true, but the vast majority will never marry or have kids. Also, centrist whites marry Filipinas as they are both Asian and Hispanic.
#7
(03-06-2022, 09:31 AM)JustinGeoffrey Wrote: [...]while a vast majority of men and women are not having sex at all.

Made a brief tweet to this effect but thought I'd make a just as brief post here as well: I'm convinced that normie preoccupation with not being a virgin is solely a metaphysical and philosophical one, not actually concerned with whether or not the person in question has engaged in a sexual action with another. What I mean by this is that when some 85 IQ mulatto somehow finds one of your tweets and replies to you with an image of Megamind, encaptioned "No bitches?", the mulatto in question is not thinking about whether or not you have inserted your penis into a woman's vagina. "Getting bitches" and "having sex" is a metaphysical state of being, wherein one does not participate in antisocial activity, such as questioning narratives, having genuine interests, being strongly opinionated, and so on. To have sex, you don't need to have sex, you need to mindkill yourself.
#8
Did you guys see the picture of the girl with a picture of herself captioned "buying incel shirts for my boyfriend"?

Pretty much as soon as mass culture decided that 'nerds' or 'geeks' are cool they latched onto "incel" and now use it in exactly the same spirit. The problem these people have with the incel is that he takes life too seriously. Ditto for what "autism" has become. It's all the one phenomena which is men who are filtered by society for their virtues rather than their faults.
#9
(03-06-2022, 09:23 PM)cats Wrote:
(03-06-2022, 09:31 AM)JustinGeoffrey Wrote: [...]while a vast majority of men and women are not having sex at all.

Made a brief tweet to this effect but thought I'd make a just as brief post here as well: I'm convinced that normie preoccupation with not being a virgin is solely a metaphysical and philosophical one, not actually concerned with whether or not the person in question has engaged in a sexual action with another. What I mean by this is that when some 85 IQ mulatto somehow finds one of your tweets and replies to you with an image of Megamind, encaptioned "No bitches?", the mulatto in question is not thinking about whether or not you have inserted your penis into a woman's vagina. "Getting bitches" and "having sex" is a metaphysical state of being, wherein one does not participate in antisocial activity, such as questioning narratives, having genuine interests, being strongly opinionated, and so on. To have sex, you don't need to have sex, you need to mindkill yourself.

Excellent, excellent post. You're exactly right.
#10
(03-06-2022, 09:23 PM)cats Wrote:
(03-06-2022, 09:31 AM)JustinGeoffrey Wrote: [...]while a vast majority of men and women are not having sex at all.

Made a brief tweet to this effect but thought I'd make a just as brief post here as well: I'm convinced that normie preoccupation with not being a virgin is solely a metaphysical and philosophical one, not actually concerned with whether or not the person in question has engaged in a sexual action with another. What I mean by this is that when some 85 IQ mulatto somehow finds one of your tweets and replies to you with an image of Megamind, encaptioned "No bitches?", the mulatto in question is not thinking about whether or not you have inserted your penis into a woman's vagina. "Getting bitches" and "having sex" is a metaphysical state of being, wherein one does not participate in antisocial activity, such as questioning narratives, having genuine interests, being strongly opinionated, and so on. To have sex, you don't need to have sex, you need to mindkill yourself.

This perfectly conforms with the use of that meme as well as the overuse of the “intel” slur. It basically tells men to become simple machines wherein women form the core of their identity.
#11
(03-06-2022, 09:23 PM)cats Wrote:
(03-06-2022, 09:31 AM)JustinGeoffrey Wrote: [...]while a vast majority of men and women are not having sex at all.

Made a brief tweet to this effect but thought I'd make a just as brief post here as well: I'm convinced that normie preoccupation with not being a virgin is solely a metaphysical and philosophical one, not actually concerned with whether or not the person in question has engaged in a sexual action with another. What I mean by this is that when some 85 IQ mulatto somehow finds one of your tweets and replies to you with an image of Megamind, encaptioned "No bitches?", the mulatto in question is not thinking about whether or not you have inserted your penis into a woman's vagina. "Getting bitches" and "having sex" is a metaphysical state of being, wherein one does not participate in antisocial activity, such as questioning narratives, having genuine interests, being strongly opinionated, and so on. To have sex, you don't need to have sex, you need to mindkill yourself.
(03-06-2022, 10:21 PM)anthony Wrote: Did you guys see the picture of the girl with a picture of herself captioned "buying incel shirts for my boyfriend"?

Pretty much as soon as mass culture decided that 'nerds' or 'geeks' are cool they latched onto "incel" and now use it in exactly the same spirit. The problem these people have with the incel is that he takes life too seriously. Ditto for what "autism" has become. It's all the one phenomena which is men who are filtered by society for their virtues rather than their faults.

When I was a teenager, I remember other boys calling me "tense" despite girls saying the opposite- that they liked how calm and unaffected I seemed. Both were right, the men more so (obviously) seeing the long-term potential hazard of "scaring the hoes" (even though I was always better at making women laugh, just worse at everything else). However, being entertaining (i.e., socially valuable in the eyes of the normie) wasn't enough to disqualify me as a "virgin" (the original incel) because it was too clear I disagreed in my heart.

Not that I ever gave a shit being called a "nerd" or a "virgin" (because as stated earlier, those terms were only ever meant to shame a non-participant in NiggerWorld and I knew that then just as I do now, and the people who claimed this were faggot losers themselves who contrary what the media would claim were rightfully considered the squares) however what I found interesting were the parameters which would trigger this. I could talk shit about women (this was the '00s when you could still do this publicly because of Gen X shock culture and the internet as an extension of it), be openly racist or make severely racially charged jokes (often in the company of the race being targeted and even with women, because the assumption was that you were at the core still liberal).. but it was when I made aesthetic complaints- if I said something in a movie or a game was ugly, retarded, insipid.. this would trip the alarms that I was being a "nerd" for believing I could do better (arrogance against the normie), or that something could be done better at all (arrogance against society). I learned then, that the normie is most offended by criticism, as critical participation in society is (correctly) viewed as anti-social non-participation because their definition of "participation" is intrinsic peace with the regime (which is why it's impossible to become a normie by any means other than birth).

In what I believe is an extension of that, you're now called "incel" for disagreeing with anything as all aspects of "society" are reconverging into a nu-monoculture for the Gen X & Y (and Z as they accelerate the push) transmogrification into boomers (television watchers), the 85 IQ mulatto is correct that you will be denied affection (or job opportunities, housing, whatever they can get their hands on) because they operate on a one-drop rule, where critical participation in society is the same as total dissent. This is seen most visibly when a libtard must cannibalize another for missing or attempting to opt out of a personality update.

The "normie" is as much a glutton as they are a sadist. 
#12
Quote:Weirdly a positive spin on this issue. My fear is that positive eugenics will remain the reality, while the messaging will still be egalitarian (i.e., "everyone finds someone"). Like economics, the messaging's resistance to reality causes social breakdown.
I think any government that has gone far enough to realize the necessity of the management of reproduction will at the very least prioritize those who have the credentials and good-standing (both economically and socially) over others from an economic point of view. While that isn't the same as a purely eugenic policy it will most likely still have eugenic effects. States will increasingly be pushed in this direction either way due to the practical implications of dysgenic populations on economic output, social stability and the ability to compete internationally IMO. Doubly so for the time where CRISPR and such technologies are a tangible matter of fact rather than a hypothetical of interest or something of small scale use.
#13
Current western governments will never address the incel question the same way a women will never address it. Our governments are also pretty much incapable of recognizing and solving any problem at all.

But regardless, sex as management does not solve the underlying problem, nor does prostitutes. Rape comes closer, but notice that Elliot Rodger did not rape, he killed. Nor was Bianca raped. I think the core problem is that men are not taken seriously as willful and potentially violent beings. Because of this only incelbunds or something similar can address the issue from the root. Not saying this will happen.
#14
(03-07-2022, 11:23 AM)ToubouBogomilist Wrote: Incels in the literal sense are politically useless because they can be completely pacified with... pussy.

Pretty much agree, but most incels seem more concerned with gf as opposed to just pussy. The more basic intimacy or contact is denied, scary things can happen. I'm sure most will just die like Jacob Baugh (RIP) or become like KingCobraJFS, but some will use their disappointment and history of rejection to act outwards as opposed to simple fold inside.
#15
In animals, there are certain conditions that have to be met before the animal can breed. Drives prior to the sexual drive that must be satisfied. These often have to do with territory, finding place in hierarchy, or something more specific. If these drives are stifled and the development stunted one can’t continue to the next in a healthy way. Some can simply skip parts of the process (pejoratively lower types, but stronger, and even then it’s probably not healthy) and this includes actual normies as well as some super horny ugly “incels”. In this way I do think a certain type of incel is similar to the homosexual. These prior drives are what have to be focused on by any state that wants to address this issue.

PS: After writing this but before posting, I happened to read the creep theory pdf in @Chud ‘s archive. This even further emphasizes the ‘development’ aspect of inceldom, and more.

“In March 1970, at the Institute for Advanced Study, the mathematician Dennis Johnson said to me that he would murder his own mother, and murder all his friends, if by doing so he could get the aliens to take him to another star and show him a higher civilization. My own position is the same as Johnson's”

“It is hard enough to present a facade of conformity in order to deal with an employment agency, but the thought of having to maintain such a facade in a more intimate relationship is completely demoralizing”

I recommend reading.


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