Locklin on 'Nerds', Baltar on 'Incompetents'
#1
Saw this while idly flipping through a few sites I check in on tonight. Title looked like it might be interestingly bad.

https://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2024/...the-nerds/

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I've always considered Scott Locklin kind of a stupid fucking cretinous moron who needs to stay in his little autism-corner where he belongs. Amusingly, that's the type he is ostensibly writing about in this piece (maybe, it's a very bad and hard to parse one).

This piece interests me because Locklin doesn't really seem sure what the fuck he's saying, the impression that I get (I get this a lot from his writing) is that he's working out some personal issues with intelligence and masculinity. NERDS are what's wrong with America. NERDS and probably also DORKS.

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You see the NERDS destroying society are disembodied brains who have not touched enough grass to active their alpha male cobra kai victory molecules in their brains. Local Burners like Elon Musk and and Mark Zuckerberg understand this (does Locklin have some need to believe a STEMfaggot can become a man by living up to a checklist of conditions?).

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He then shows us a 4chan screencap (which is itself more anxious status posturing theory) and tells us that nerds are easily dogmatised. Yuo see the problem with the world today is that too many NERDS run everything, who are not necessarily intelligent people. How many of the problem nerds aren't actually intelligent and is outright unintelligent people proliferating in positions of responsibility not more a more dire problem? Maybe it is but beyond that note that this problem class of person does in fact exist this piece is about Scott Locklin telling you that he did good in Math class, "but Daddy, please, I still FUCK. I've done you proud, haven't I?"

I thought that this was an absolutely atrocious piece about an issue that's been interesting people here recently, smart people and leftism. I didn't forget about that. His piece ends with "Examples of nerd failure:", in here he links more retarded vapid bullshit that completely dodges the heart of the matter (our society being run into the ground by psychotic weirdos), and one piece I thought was good, which we can actually build a thread off of now. Like the other one I'll link it twice so you guys don't get lost. RPGcodex has me doubting human intelligence.

https://gaiusbaltar.substack.com/p/why-i...and-russia

Interesting title this time around. He needs his clicks I suppose. I'd have called it 'Why is The West so Weak and Russia Becoming Stronger'.

The thesis this time around makes far more sense, to the point I have to believe if Locklin actually read it he's insane to have been prompted to write what he did afterwards (I do suspect he will one day kill himself while talking to the ghost of his father like Jack Torrance).

Baltar's article is kind of like the old Bioleninism thing, but spun towards incompetence. The problem is deliberate selection against human quality. Specifically intelligence and a capacity for clear sighted decision making. The fundamental difference between these two pieces of course being that the connotations towards intelligence in Locklin's piece are primarily bad, while in this one they are positive. Intelligence and thought have not gone astray. The lost in ideas nerd is a popular hallucinatory punching bag because it allows us to ignore the elephant in the room. Society being progressively geared against human competence (primarily intelligence via education) for decades now.

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Locklin says that the problem is accidental delusion caused by insufficient contact with grass. Baltar says the primary problem is incompetence facilitated by conspiracy.

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There's a foot in the door for Locklin's interpretation here, we can say that general competence is separate from IQ. And from there if we hate ourselves and are suspicious of our own minds we can say that the high IQ low general competence (probably also lowstatusdysgenics) NERDS took the wheel from the football captain.

But this piece keeps going in another direction.

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Amusingly like Locklin he also thinks Musk is some kind of supergenius fighting the power. He's apparently jesus to non nonsense rationalists.

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Then we get to where we're meant to be. This section on education is a solid collection of bullet points.

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And finally what I think is notable here.

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I think this piece is a pretty sound rundown on the nature and effects of the spread and influence of wokeness. And the essential point that he really gets right is that this is fundamentally and primarily bad for smart people. This is not smart but lowstatusdysgenics people run amok. It is retards. One would think that hard-nosed highstatuseugenics men who know how to FUCK their way to an answer that's right in front of them would figure that the world getting stupid is stupid peoples' fault rather than blaming the highly intelligent, but as locklin says (baltar agrees), the intelligent can be deluded.

I'll leave it be now. You guys can read these things yourselves, I recommend both. This isn't the leftism and intellectuals thread, consider this a warmup prompted by me thinking about how much I hate Scott Locklin.

Is our problem intelligent people who just thought too hard and flew off the rails, or is it malevolent retards? Or perhaps something else? Do you have thoughts on Locklin in Baltar? Did you read the comment sections of either and find anything interesting. I would like to know what some people make of this.
#2
I know what type of person Locklin is talking about. Star Trek/Dark Souls/Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy type guys I knew in high school were pretty much like that, low testosterone, hyper ideologically conformist even if social outcasts, terrible taste in art, atrocious sense of humor revolving around dumb inside jokes and references to things like Napoleon Dynamite. Social class was either omega male crypto incel or failed normie striver. Wide IQ range between 100 and 145. Locklin is not inventing a strawman, however he should be more clear about what he means by “nerd”. I’m filling in the blanks based on my own observations of nerds.

That said. Locklin I think is just making stuff up to fit his worldview, like that Zuckerberg is a Chad football captain, or that nukes would have been invented without Oppenheimer. He makes valid critiques about a certain type of annoying person then creates a Raw Milk Enjoyer Anti-Great Man Butt-Twitter Theory that attributes all progress and great achievements to wholesome football captain jocks shoving dorks in the locker. Failed normie mindset.
#3
Vox Day is similar in some respects as another right-wing blogger who had a fixation on hating "nerds" despite being one himself.
#4
(04-01-2024, 09:00 AM)anthony Wrote: And the essential point that he really gets right is that this is fundamentally and primarily bad for smart people. This is not smart but lowstatusdysgenics people run amok. It is retards.

Baltar's piece is generally a good response to the worst aspect of Yarvin's ultimate theory, that being (per Yarvin) that these people actually are really smart but are just chasing power and thus they will just as easily become equally loyal to the new power upon regime change. I think Yarvin is wrong here, at least about the part where these people are smart, and I assume others do too. Baltar does:

Quote:Some of those people have high IQs but they are neither objective nor independent thinkers. The Ideology they must subscribe to is simply incompatible with those qualities. This has some serious consequences.

Yarvin loves to point to the occupations of Germany and Japan / denazification as evidence to support the idea that the connection between ideology and competency is perhaps tenuous and not that big of a deal. This is at least how I understand this part of his argument. But both of those regimes were staffed by German and Japanese men, members (again, men) of two of the most successful, i.e., competent, races in human history. The incompatibility of the Current Ideology and being someone whose opinions can ever be taken seriously for the rest of your life is beyond obvious. Just my initial thoughts, for now at least.
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august Wrote:Yarvin loves to point to the occupations of Germany and Japan / denazification as evidence to support the idea that the connection between ideology and competency is perhaps tenuous and not that big of a deal. This is at least how I understand this part of his argument. But both of those regimes were staffed by German and Japanese men, members (again, men) of two of the most successful, i.e., competent, races in human history. The incompatibility of the Current Ideology and being someone whose opinions can ever be taken seriously for the rest of your life is beyond obvious. Just my initial thoughts, for now at least.

Another thing to note is that (especially in Japan) purges only touched the senior leadership and allowed the young generation that began their careers under and was shaped by the previous regime to rise into positions of responsibility in postwar government and industry.
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obscurefish Wrote:Vox Day is similar in some respects as another right-wing blogger who had a fixation on hating "nerds" despite being one himself.

This reads almost exactly like Vox Day on "gammas", only considerably less original and entertaining. 

With regard to the topic, these guys seem to be poisoning the well on something that COULD be true but not at all in the way they say it. There is a certain type of dogmatic self-identifying "nerd" who hocks memes at you on /v/ and /tv/ and never thinks about anything and is incapable of introspection. Maybe those people could have this piece applied to them, but they aren't the Oppenheimers of the world. That's just Locklin being mad at an actual genius. 

Locklin's point is just yet another example of the "hurrr guhh THINKING BAD" talking point. I think these dumb fucking cucks should have the "balls" (seems like something they would care about) to just be openly resentful of intelligence. Because it obviously has no value to them as an end itself. None of these people feel the need to write so much actually justifying WHY "touching grass" might be beneficial. It's just taken for a given that it is because they themselves value it over intelligence and they expect you to fall in line with that. I wonder how these people account for the fact that the world already agrees with them? I can find people from all stripes of the political spectrum who more or less agree with this. Even credentialist morons are very open opponents of thinking and regularly hold up "le smart guy who didn't SOCIALIZE himself correctly" as some kind of effigy. I do NOT encounter many people outside of the sphere who believe you can accomplish things through thinking.
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^gamma rage
#8
He seems to be confusing leftism with IQ. He's probably making this mistake because he's a dumb and lazy wordcel who vaguely notices that the elites are leftist high IQ people. Therefore too high IQ must mean buying into propaganda more or something. It doesn't, elites are higher IQ because IQ causes eliteness, and are more leftist because eliteness causes wealth and wealth causes dysgenics. The elite class has the worst dysgenics, so it is the most leftist. Leftism is not hollow on the inside, it is substantively feminism, homosexuality, and anti-racism. Contra Yarvin, they aren't just chasing power, they have power because they are smart, and woke is what their genes make them want to do with that power. They can't be persuaded to be straight, racist patriarchs, and to remove them would take a violent civil war. This is proven by history, in the 20th century, elites were only ever dramatically changed by a civil war, coup, or Hitlerian takeover, followed by physical purges of bad elites. The military is all retarded so there will be no coup. Hitlerian takeovers require a Hitler and an SA and there are neither. Amarnites should probably focus on selective breeding ...
#9
Locklin is right, you guys are needlessly dilating yourselves. He's attacking exactly same kinds of people as the Strivers Are Retards thread.

Although he is being a bit of a boomer about muh straightbacked crew cut small town Iowa football team captain. That character type no longer exists after decades of longhousing and niggerization.
#10
Handi Wrote:Locklin is right, you guys are needlessly dilating yourselves. He's attacking exactly same kinds of people as the Strivers Are Retards thread.

Oppenheimer.
#11
"Nerds" (this word sucks and is an outlet for sadism against enlightened young men and boys) usually have a distaste for politics which gradually disappears the more grass-touching they do. E.g. Edward Snowden, who is a very typical nerd as well as being intelligent and a paragon of reasonableness. Nothing in real life serves as a way to make you manlier/stronger and once you realize this, the reasonable thing to do is to detach as much as you can, lest you turn into a ZOGmonster.
#12
anthony Wrote:Oppenheimer.

Not a real response but I'll address what you're implying. Locklin is using Oppenheimer as a maximal counterexample: if being a theorist at the highest level of real technical and intellectual ability didn't preclude him from being a filthy communist--unfit to lead men outside of his technical domain--then the average case technocrat is probably even more hopeless. And indeed most of the clerisy as he puts it are not only not worthy of wiping the dust from Oppenheimer's chalkboard, but they also hold even stupider ideologies about societal organization. Leaders and authorities need to be selected for success in organized conflict, because that's the ultimate and inevitable domain of authority.
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Handi Wrote:Leaders and authorities need to be selected for success in organized conflict
Like Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg.

People actually having to deliver at some point in their lives is a good filter for quality, yes. But as I said on twitter recently, most people won't even commit to a fucking argument on the internet anymore. There are plenty of ways to build accountability into existing institutions, it is possible to filter and compete within nerd cultures. There is a world of possible valid processes by which we can sift people which we aren't currently touching. Fetishising grandpa's retarded midwest high school football team is a weird and seedy tangent of the kind that I think is most prominently getting in the way of the real discussion.

Did you know that in addition to being an obnoxious tryhard faggot obsessed with studying, Anthony Fauci was also an obnoxiously competitive athlete in his youth? And yet he became what he is. The problem, of course, is that he wasn't facing anything resembling competition or standards as he got further along in his career, and he eventually gained the power to undercut and destroy competition rather than actually being better than them.

The problem we should be identifying in every "nerd" case should be, why the fuck are there no merit or competency checks in this area? What if Groves didn't give a fuck and was bad at his job? Then what? "Oh well then the cool tough crewcut army of guys who look like my idealised grandpa would have fired him!" just fucking fire the "nerds" if they're fucking up catastrophically. And if you can't, there's the problem. Structural/institutional organisational issue.
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anthony Wrote:-big snip-

My question is: who is the audience for this type of "piece"? 
I'd like to think it is some type of sniveling ankle biting compjewter programmer who goes "Hehe, damn right SCOTTY fuck them nerds." One day this pitiful creature will wake up and see that his webshit soydev job has been outsourced to a curryguzzler by another curryguzzler. "UHHHH Mr. Vindaloo replaced me but I ran track one season back in high skrewl!!!!!"
#15
Guest Wrote:He seems to be confusing leftism with IQ. He's probably making this mistake because he's a dumb and lazy wordcel who vaguely notices that the elites are leftist high IQ people. Therefore too high IQ must mean buying into propaganda more or something. It doesn't, elites are higher IQ because IQ causes eliteness, and are more leftist because eliteness causes wealth and wealth causes dysgenics. The elite class has the worst dysgenics, so it is the most leftist. Leftism is not hollow on the inside, it is substantively feminism, homosexuality, and anti-racism. Contra Yarvin, they aren't just chasing power, they have power because they are smart, and woke is what their genes make them want to do with that power. They can't be persuaded to be straight, racist patriarchs, and to remove them would take a violent civil war. This is proven by history, in the 20th century, elites were only ever dramatically changed by a civil war, coup, or Hitlerian takeover, followed by physical purges of bad elites. The military is all retarded so there will be no coup. Hitlerian takeovers require a Hitler and an SA and there are neither. Amarnites should probably focus on selective breeding ...

Hello BRONSKEEE!
#16
“Wealth causes dysgenics”

Source? Bronski?
#17
@Teer , just as a reminder, some of us use the dark theme and can't read whatever you're quoting. The small text is bad enough already.



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