Russia and the End of the World
Meredith
The invasion of Ukraine has thrust Russia right back into the spotlight of global history, after several years of China and its meme virus wasting our lives away.

Unfortunately, what we see in Russia is the story of a millennium-long tragedy approaching its sad and sorry conclusion.

In a recent speech, Putin rattled off a list of ethnic minorities to praise for their struggle in the war effort, re-joining, "I am a Lak, I am a Tatar, I am a Jew..."

 This was after his explicit framing of the war as "de-nazification" and his announcing of a global "anti-fascist conference" featuring the Global South's great and good (including India AND Pakistan). The latest farce is a video of various brown people saying to "Stop Russian Hate." 

What are we to make of this? 

The Bolsheviks never pandered; they waged a war of annihilation against anti-Semitism, Christianity, and Russian chauvinism...and won! And yet still we see experts stating how crucial it is that Putin pander to every goblin and orc in Eurasia, lest the Federation collapse!

Russia is explicitly positioning itself as a Eurasian, Third Worldist power; the Asiatic  Horde, at last. It is a sight comparable to seeing a man carefully and methodically slice his own legs off. It is a self-imposed hobbling akin to America's own controlled demolition by diversity.

What is Russia, truly? Is it the Chabadim, and their shadowy cabal? No - it is the doom of the Khazar empire, and the annihilation of their capital Atil! Is it the Tatar yoke? No - it is the burning of Kazan, and the Tatar's own abject submission!

It is the greatest Drang noch Osten the world has ever known - the elevation of a great boreal riverine empire, an unrelenting drive to the Pacific, crushing everything in its path. An almighty soaring strike against the Other, a Manifest Destiny concurrent with America's own, with Cossacks and Siberians instead of cowboys and Indians. Beauty and power and grace and violence.

The Aryan spirit birthed Russia, as Rurik laid a dynasty that would unite the Eastern Slavic cities. It drove Russia to claim dominion over the North, and the East, but only fitfully the West, where it faced its own blood, and was bloodied in turn.

Russia is currently in the process of ripping out its own spirit, its own beautiful white light. What survived after the Bolshevik terror state imploded is weak and frail, but alive still. For now. It must survive. Russia was an attack on the Other as great as any by the Anglo-Saxon.

The Great Game, where oceanic and continental Aryan power crossed swords, is long gone. The Rothschilds and the Bolsheviks took the greatest living weapons the Aryan race had ever produced, and melted them down into scrap.

Both must return. Both must revive. The Great Awakening began in the Anglosphere, and it will end somewhere else.

I surely cannot be alone in this - can I?
anthony
Very nice post OP. I recommend that everyone inspired by this subject read Gobineau if they haven't already.
Meredith
Thank you, Anthony.

"For me, it's Gobineau's kino Orientalist misadventures in Persia."

Russia is, presently, massively flawed, in all the ways I've mentioned, and more. Yet its eugenic potential is so very great. I have admittedly developed a fixation on Russia as a vision for our future.  

I have a recurring fantasy where I am in the gondola of an airship, flying slowly over Siberia, while strains of the beginning of Das Rheingold float around. I see the Lena Pillars' alien eminence, and the stark world's end that is Kamchakta, and beautiful Atlasov, which should be as famous as Everest or the Matterhorn...

As for Heil...the Soviet Union was not based, not even slightly. It took control of a largely racist population, and had to work with that - but that's all. I would write another full effortpost on Soviet cringe, but I'm too tired at the moment, it being 5am where I live.
Sharmat
Even before the Soviet Union, Russia has had a precedent of describing itself as a "protector of the orient". I cant remember the name of the document, but there was an imperial proclamation criticizing western colonization of Asia as inhumane and an uprooter of great civilizations. Russia, as a respectful custodian of oriental peoples through centuries of interactions is then obligated to protect these countries from further incursions by the west through paternalistic imperialism. You shouldnt be surprised when Russia does this, the "europhile" period in Russian history is very short in comparison to the embrace of it's own separate identity and perceived obligations.
Meredith
Sharmat - it's not a matter of a surprise, it's a matter of regression and weakness. Every empire does this - man is full of weakness himself, after all.

Warren Hastings, the first Governor-General of Bengal and the man who laid the foundations for the British Raj, was impeached on charges of corruption. The prosecution was led by Edmund Burke, who condemned Hastings for his brutality and iniquity in his treatment of India, criticising him for attempting to create an empire! Hastings himself was eventually acquitted, but nearly came close to bankruptcy!

Similarly - the slave trade, and Britain's role in shortening its lifespan by several decades or more. 

Yet now, among the dissident right and within the ranks of our enemies, the British Empire is still regarded as the epitome of White supremacy and the pinnacle of Aryan expansion.

To sum up, liberal and paternalistic attitudes in empires are nothing new, and they represent a form of stagnation.  It does not mean the forces which created and sustained those empires does not exist - on the contrary - otherwise the liberalising forces would have nothing to complain about.

Finally - the only reason that the settlers and cowboys were considered genocidal and the Cossacks not is quite simply the unique Native American isolation, which gave them extreme vulnerability to Eurasian pathogens. Aside from that, several Siberian peoples had their numbers severely reduced or nearly wiped out by the advancing Cossacks. There was even a Russian version of General Custer!
Sharmat
It's less of a degeneration and a core part of the Russian identity. In the Primary Chronicle, Nestor narrates that the Varangians were invited into Eastern Europe as rulers due to the internal discord, establishing the basis of what would become Russia. Russia really is just a different type of civilization than that which exists in the west, and basically every country in Europe (particularly those in Northern Europe) recognized it as such (though unfairly grouped it under oriental despotism). I don't think there has ever existed a Russia which played this role, it's very unlike the west in so far as this paternalistic attitude was a degeneration of an original colonial zeal (though I think you overplay the discontinuity here. Slavery was in it's own right considered a paternalistic institution which would raise up half-civilized races to the best they could. Colonialism was very much considered a humanitarian affair, with early opposition largely coming from conservatives).
Meredith
Sharmat,

Yes, and English history  truly begins with the Norman Conquest - and with the Glorious Revolution, inviting a Dutch king, another chapter began. Not much difference there. 

There's nothing unique here, just special pleading, mainly from those still seething at the memory of Peter the Great, who proved them all wrong. The Orthodox Church bends over backwards to prove its mystical distinction from the Popish heathens.
Svevlad
People read into it too much.

This would be the equivalent of Biden praising blacks and injuns and spics, before oh so coincidentally sending them into a meat grinder.

Foreigner auxiliaries, a staple of every big state. Doesn't mean that Russia became some sort of anti white jew state fighting for white genocide or whatever.
Enterobiasis
While the thread is relatively old, I think its very important and deserves answer.
First of all-its hard for us, as westerners and people with, I assume for most, little lived experience with russians and adjacent nations to truly understand Russia. I'd say Russia does not seem to truly understand herself, the gap left by USSR was plastered, not filled, and it will remain so until Putins death, if not even longer. Russian civilazational destiny is yet undecided.
As for russian anti-imperialism, I dont think it has any truly ideological meaning besides seeking allies against increasingly hostile NATO-remember that Hitler also attempted to ally anti-colonial movements in India and ME. So far Putin seems to be bent on building russian identity as non-racial, cultural construct, while also trying to make it clearly dominant internally-decision to declare russians as state-forming peoples is illustrative of that. As a racialist I dont believe that will work out-after Putins death we will see whether Russia takes a nationalist, racist course that seems to be increasingly popular among youth(as well as liberal beliefs, unfortunately) or sinks further into eurasiansim and be overrun by minorities the way US whites are outbred by mexicans and asians.
GraalChud
(03-26-2022, 02:09 PM)Enterobiasis Wrote: While the thread is relatively old, I think its very important and deserves answer.
First of all-its hard for us, as westerners and people with, I assume for most, little lived experience with russians and adjacent nations to truly understand Russia. I'd say Russia does not seem to truly understand herself, the gap left by USSR was plastered, not filled, and it will remain so until Putins death, if not even longer. Russian civilazational destiny is yet undecided.
As for russian anti-imperialism, I dont think it has any truly ideological meaning besides seeking allies against increasingly hostile NATO-remember that Hitler also attempted to ally anti-colonial movements in India and ME. So far Putin seems to be bent on building russian identity as non-racial, cultural construct, while also trying to make it clearly dominant internally-decision to declare russians as state-forming peoples is illustrative of that. As a racialist I dont believe that will work out-after Putins death we will see whether Russia takes a nationalist, racist course that seems to be increasingly popular among youth(as well as liberal beliefs, unfortunately) or sinks further into eurasiansim and be overrun by minorities the way US whites are outbred by mexicans and asians.

To revive this long-dead thread: 

As a person who has dealt not with Russians in Russia, but rather the diaspora (mostly those who left in the 90s) at some length in day-to-day life, as well as Russians and other former Soviet peoples online, and has paid attention to regional politics for a while, I feel that this synopsis of their situation is mostly accurate. 

Attempts at characterizing Russia as a state that is meaningfully European in any sense other than a demographic one are misguided and are often predicated on 2 assumptions: 1) that White Russians still believe themselves to be European and desire to be such; 2) that the European peoples there have any sort of strong political and cultural consciousness that is not tied to that of Russia`s minorities. Neither of these are true. True as it may be that pre-1917 Russia still had that visible spark of Aryan-ness present in its culture (esp. its high culture), politics, and demographic makeup, it pretty much died with the Romanovs. What little bits of those things that survive today - the vestigial racism, the desire to integrate parts of Eastern Europe into Russia to create a truly Slavic state that acts in the interest of Slavic people, the White European elite etc. - have been whittled down to virtually nothing in the past century. 

What grew in the place of the Old Russian state is a monstrosity, an amalgamation of the worst aspects of the USSR, post-Soviet Eastern Europe, and the late Russian Empire. Its political tendencies are schizoid - one moment, Putin and co. are lauding Russia as some great traditionalist state that cares for the Russian people (Ruskiy), will save the West from its degenerate self, and praising the Russian empire while championing Orthodoxy; the next they are praising the USSR, bowing down to and extolling the virtues of the Buryats, Yakuts, and Dagestanis while screeching about Western Imperialism, Nazism, and Anglo-Saxon racism. This itself is most likely a product of the total assimilation of two incompatible political blocs into the political mainstream (which is ostensibly moderate, liberal, and democratic) - the last old school racialist Russian nationalists who were underground in the late USSR and reared their heads in the 90s and communist boomers - a process which has prevented political conflict at the expense of creating a political and cultural landscape that would be incoherent, disjointed, and rife for conflict but-for Putin`s party and the form of Russian civic nationalism it champions. Similarly, Russia has a schizoid cultural landscape - many Russians are racist against Russia`s minorities, buy into chauvinistic forms of nationalism, are proud of the accomplishments of ethnic Russians, are hardcore Russophones, and have a desire to preserve true Russian culture and live a truly and unapologetically (ethnic) Russian lifestyle; simultaneously and paradoxically, many of these same Russians are obsessed with Caucasian athletes and entertainers (in a way not unlike Americans are with Blacks), disparage the West - especially America - as being filled with racist bigots, have serious nostalgia for the USSR and communism, feel strong cultural and spiritual connections to the peoples of Siberia/Central Asia/the Caucasus, and believe that Russia is, was and always should be a multicultural nation.

Russian nationalism is actually a great case study of the political and cultural changes Russia has undergone over the last century and the general incoherence of the Russian cultural and political landscape: it used to have a racialist bend and was centered around Slavic European identity and a disdain for/condescension toward the peoples east of the Urals (Russians of old saw themselves as their masters, not their equals), but has since become the aforementioned watered down civic nationalism that sees the "Ruskiy" (ethnic Russians) and "Rossiskiy" (people in Russia who are not ethnically Russian/East Slavic) as equally Russian and sees Russian-ness itself as a vague and malleable thing that can be boiled down to speaking Russian, being culturally Russian, and identifying with/advancing the goals of the Russian state (which itself is not run by ethnic Russians). As noted earlier, this Russian brand of civic nationalism is the only thread uniting the Russian people (Rossiskiy and Ruskiy) politically at this point, and can only do so because it is pretty amorphous and has only a few core tenets - speaking Russian/Russophonia, the desire for a healthy and powerful multicultural Eurasianist Russian state, and belief in a Russian civic identity - which allows it to accommodate people from a wide range of ethnic/racial groups and political parties so long as they subordinate their group interests/ political beliefs to those core tenets/goals (as a result, it is not uncommon to see things like unironic communists and hardcore Russian nationalists coming together under the same political banner and working towards shared goals). Putin and his party are very much aware of and have leveraged this to their advantage to keep a state that would otherwise naturally fragment along ethnic and/or political lines from doing so, to their credit.

Anyway, the above paints a picture of the Russian political landscape and shows that Russia is not an Aryan state in any sense other than a demographic one (which is likely to change quite soon, as Russia is less demographically European than any other nation in Europe), as it does not really work in the interests of its European citizens (any benefits that come to them from the state`s actions are incidental and/or intended to placate them as they are "respectfully replaced"), and it has no interest in reconciling itself with the West and re-Europeanizing, which is why characterizations of it as some sleeping Aryan giant or as some temporarily embarrassed Aryan empire are incorrect.

W.r.t. comments about Russian anti-imperialism and anti-fascism being cynical, I think this cannot be further from the truth. One does not cynically adopt anti-fascist rhetoric (especially when this has fallen on deaf ears - if it was cynical and meant to appeal to the West to get them to back off, Putin would have dropped it after he realized it wasn`t working, which he didn`t), spend large sums of money to host an international anti-fascist congress where the only invitees are from the Turd World in the middle of an expensive war, fly Soviet symbols around their nation, and try to violently exterminate racialists in a neighboring state with extreme prejudice (oftentimes trying to use ethnic minorities to do so - see the use of Chechen units to fight Azov for an example of this). Further, we have every reason to believe that Putin has an axe to grind with anyone who frames themselves as spiritual successors to the Third Reich as Ukrainian nationalists do (whether they are actually such is irrelevant, all that matters is that they claim to be and that this upsets Russia) on account of the fact that his brother and grandmother were killed by the Nazis, he is partially Jewish himself, and grew up in and was quite fond of the USSR. Russia`s PM Mishustin is also a Jew himself, which should be taken into account as well. Ultimately, there comes a point where you can no longer deny that this is genuine, as the totality of the evidence (of which there is much) points to it being exactly that. Same is true of their anti-imperialism: it is far more likely that as Russia drifts toward the Turd World politically, it begins to seriously identify with it and its struggles and thus becomes inclined to adopt the rhetoric that Turd World countries use to get their way than it is likely to be a strategic move. After all, if Russia`s anti-imperialist rhetoric this was truly cynical and meant to appeal to the West so that they`d stay out of the war or was meant to get other nations to join the war effort in some capacity, it would`ve been dropped after over a year of trying and failing to accomplish either of these goals using it. I think that the reason so many people refuse to accept this is because we`ve all been meme`d into thinking "Putler" was our guy, or at least not hostile to us and our interests, over the past 5 years or so and thus we don`t want to believe that he`s actually a massive faggot who tranny hearts nigger in spite of all of the evidence pointing to this being the case.
Reply 



[-]
Reply
Message
Type your reply to this message here.




Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)