Zoomers

[Guest]

The majority of zoomers(including the White ones) are wiggers who speak ebonics or they are gay,effeminate or trans who has been brainwashed to believe in libtardism.

[calico]

What defines Zoomers culturally as a generation as opposed to Millennials and Boomers?

They were born between roughly 1995 and 2010.

What do Zoomers value politically/what ideas will captivate Zoomers in the foreseeable future?

The latest Warzone update and the availability of anime on Crunchyroll (Zoomers don't know how to torrent).

What is the Zoomer attitude towards religion?

Their attention spans aren't long enough to even get through the Book of Matthew. They have no idea.

How has Zoomer identity developed throughout Covid?

They got dumber and gayer, somehow.

Your own personal assessment of the generation and it's potential.

They'll grow out of it. Learning how to torrent is just a part of growing up.

[ᐪᕼᗕᖿ ᐸᕼᗝᗝᔑᗕ]

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[Guest]

if you crazytext posters are trying to hide from robots you're doing it in a fucking retarded annoying way btw because they already have unicode homoglyph mapping down pat. You can view public lectures from i think defcon talking about this.

[ꦈꦒꦲꦸꦫꦲꦺꦴꦗ꦳ꦲ]

if you crazytext posters are trying to hide from robots you're doing it in a fucking retarded annoying way btw because they already have unicode homoglyph mapping down pat. You can view public lectures from i think defcon talking about this.

Actually I'm just hiding from myself.
Eventually I will rediscover myself in the future and with it a message to my future self who will understand what to do.

[ꦈꦒꦲꦸꦫꦲꦺꦴꦗ꦳ꦲ V.2]

if you crazytext posters are trying to hide from robots you're doing it in a fucking retarded annoying way btw because they already have unicode homoglyph mapping down pat. You can view public lectures from i think defcon talking about this.

Actually I'm just hiding from myself.
Eventually I will rediscover myself in the future and with it a message to my future self who will understand what to do.

Kill all niggers

[Crackromybatto]

I see Squidward as less of a sadist and more of a target for sadism. His offense against the world is taking himself seriously and finding the world disappointing. For this it's taken for granted that he can be the subject of any joke and deserves endless ridicule. His patience is endlessly strained, he's constantly repressing and compromising to maintain peace with his surroundings. But despite this most can unthinkingly accept that any moment of frustration and breaking of patience is a wrong on his part. The world is absurd and silly and everyone around him is more or less a perfect innocent, but imagine Squidward as a real person surrounded by other real people. The Squidward type of person exists more or less as presented, but irl loud neighbors are the worst thing ever, and not excused by childlike nature and a world that runs on absurdity. Squidward is the one with the closest to real depth of thought and feeling in a cartoon world, and he's always losing, always hurt and humiliated, and it's always at the hands of someone we recognize as a sub-moral actor who can't really be held accountable for what's going on. Do you see the picture of the world that emerges from this? Do you see the real dynamics playing out here? The spirit of the Squidward/Spongebob dynamic is that if you're dumb enough the world owes you an easy time, and it'll came at the expense of the smarter people around you. They have the capacity to put up with it so they will, you don't so you won't.

Squidward isn't a real person. At best he's a stand in for the straight man, someone who's contrasted in over-exaggerated scenarios to further elevate the comedy. Do you get this fucking upset over Tom & Jerry or Looney Tunes because characters like Tom and Elmer Fudd are made out to be 'targets for sadism' while not really doing anything truly 'villainous' other than serving as threats to characters like Jerry and Bugs?

And as for the show in general, it's dog-people media. It's anti-anime. It's popularity is sad and predictable in societies which are afraid of seriousness and higher feeling. The Squidward thing of course ties into this. The show itself isn't just low and silly, it's a war against anything that would aspire above it.

SpongeBob is a comedy show made to poke fun at everyday living in a way that's appealing to everyone, much like how old newspaper comics like Calvin & Hobbes went about it. It's not meant to "aspire" to anything. I know you're as thick as a brick and are unable to comprehend basic logic or how humor and pantomime works, but not everything has to be this magical, intense experience.

[anthony]

Squidward isn't a real person. At best he's a stand in for the straight man, someone who's contrasted in over-exaggerated scenarios to further elevate the comedy. Do you get this fucking upset over Tom & Jerry or Looney Tunes because characters like Tom and Elmer Fudd are made out to be 'targets for sadism' while not really doing anything truly 'villainous' other than serving as threats to characters like Jerry and Bugs?

SpongeBob is a comedy show made to poke fun at everyday living in a way that's appealing to everyone, much like how old newspaper comics like Calvin & Hobbes went about it. It's not meant to "aspire" to anything. I know you're as thick as a brick and are unable to comprehend basic logic or how humor and pantomime works, but not everything has to be this magical, intense experience.

I've been neglecting the forum. Almost missed this post. Spongebob was a simple cartoon built on tiki-aesthetics and day to day cartoon humour. But denying that it has become anything more than that at this point is being willfully obtuse. These characters have become fixed in the mass mind in a very strange way which obviously extends beyond the intentions of their original creator.

And I'm not the first one to notice something weird and unseemly about the treatment of straight man in a silly comedy. Remember when the simpsons had Homer's straight-laced co-worker suffer a nervous break and kill himself? The writers themselves were playing with the idea of there being something cruel and insane about subjecting real sensibilities to the logic of these worlds. Squidward is sort of like a Frank Grimes who never gets to die, at least within the show. Within the cultural mind I don't think the average idiot who posts spongebob memes today really has elaborate thoughts on the dynamics between the characters or anything. Spongebob memes are really an entire other subject.

[Guest]

Do you get this fucking upset over Tom & Jerry or Looney Tunes because characters like Tom and Elmer Fudd are made out to be 'targets for sadism' while not really doing anything truly 'villainous' other than serving as threats to characters like Jerry and Bugs?

I used to get saddened that Tom was just the punching bag for Jerry forever when I was a kid. I think it was a fair opinion.

[FrankLloydsWrongs]

Speaking as a later(?) zoomer, it's both worse and better than other people make it out to be:

- Most guys are pretty much checked out, more interested in day to day stuff. There are exceptions: Jesus freaks and the like but they tend to be segregated into their own little communities

- Gen Z girls are a whole other ballpark. Half of them seem to hate either themselves or everyone else they know for no apparent reason, identity shitfuckery and trooning are pretty common. Though I've noticed a lot of it is more or less an excuse not to talk to people they don't want to, especially guys.

- A lot of lefty ideas are absorbed mostly through Tic Tok and other "short-clips" style media, a lot of which ends up being dumbed-down regurgitation of Advanced Englishdegreeism.

-As a result, a lot of the left-wing notions that are considered only in the "assume as true in public to get along" capacity by most Millenials and Xer's are taken more or less on pure faith by younger folks (A lot of the intersectional ideas on gender, the inherent value of diversity as an end unto itself, and more generally the totally soulless and uncaring nature of reality fall into this), even among more conservative Zers. Plenty of people chafe under the restriction of thought and speech but the vast majority earnestly believe the alternative is genocide.

- Finally, when I say conservative, it should be noted that this tends to be via the medium of whatever is available, talk to to a self professed "right wing" gen Zer and they'll tell you something or other about why it is important to "let men be men" or "embrace the value of tradition" or whatever, without really being able to articulate why these thing are important outside of aesthetics and a general guy feeling. This is probably an optics failure on the part of The Movement but I don't really know what the alternative could be, no 16 year old has the patience or knowledge of internet backroads necessary to find most of the Movement's "Canon Works" .

Anyway that's just my observation.

[Ricky23]

Zoomers are more deeply secular than millenials IMO. Yes zoomer women actually believe in things like "manifesting" but this is something experienced at the purely aesthetic level. It doesn't inform their ethical outlook, much less rise to the level of religion.

Vaguely spiritual language might be more popular now that reddit atheism is dead but people who would have been into satanism in the 2000s are now just troons. "Witchcraft" even in its diluted aethetic form is ultimately very millenial, see Harry Potter. JK Rowling of course has nothing to say to the current moment, her TERFism is completely anachronistic. You can be anti-feminist or pro-troon, no in-between. What she spawned is just as irrelevant today.

This is largely true but it would be a mistake to think the zoomers revert to some kind of reflexive materialism in the place of religion. Their belief system is almost purely reactive and is based on momentary fancy often related to their physical condition. Most of them have a semi-permanent fatigue (induced by poor sleeping habits or nicotine/stimulant abuse as well as the mesmerising effect of the internet which is somewhat of a narcotic effect) which prevents from having strong values generally because this state lends itself to apathy. This apathy does not lend itself to scientific materialism which is in itself a complex cosmology that is only accessible through years of rigorous study. Indeed I don't even think it's fair to say that they default to it as an assumption. Instead they construct a cosmology of internet figures who talk to them in their head and guide their actions. There is no attempt made in most cases to understand the nature of the world. Those who do attempt to understand the world generally take psychedelic drugs and so have some kind of spiritual sentiment but they will conclude that the ultimate purpose of life is experiencing other people or whatever. There are Christians as well but that's not unique to zoomers, except that most zoomers are not protestant. I have met many greek zoomers and some catholic zoomers but almost never protestants..

[zoom zoom]

Zoomers are more deeply secular than millenials IMO. Yes zoomer women actually believe in things like "manifesting" but this is something experienced at the purely aesthetic level. It doesn't inform their ethical outlook, much less rise to the level of religion.

Vaguely spiritual language might be more popular now that reddit atheism is dead but people who would have been into satanism in the 2000s are now just troons. "Witchcraft" even in its diluted aethetic form is ultimately very millenial, see Harry Potter. JK Rowling of course has nothing to say to the current moment, her TERFism is completely anachronistic. You can be anti-feminist or pro-troon, no in-between. What she spawned is just as irrelevant today.

This is largely true but it would be a mistake to think the zoomers revert to some kind of reflexive materialism in the place of religion. Their belief system is almost purely reactive and is based on momentary fancy often related to their physical condition. Most of them have a semi-permanent fatigue (induced by poor sleeping habits or nicotine/stimulant abuse as well as the mesmerising effect of the internet which is somewhat of a narcotic effect) which prevents from having strong values generally because this state lends itself to apathy. This apathy does not lend itself to scientific materialism which is in itself a complex cosmology that is only accessible through years of rigorous study. Indeed I don't even think it's fair to say that they default to it as an assumption. Instead they construct a cosmology of internet figures who talk to them in their head and guide their actions. There is no attempt made in most cases to understand the nature of the world. Those who do attempt to understand the world generally take psychedelic drugs and so have some kind of spiritual sentiment but they will conclude that the ultimate purpose of life is experiencing other people or whatever. There are Christians as well but that's not unique to zoomers, except that most zoomers are not protestant. I have met many greek zoomers and some catholic zoomers but almost never protestants..

In my opinion, the main reason "trad" Zoomers avoid Protestantism is because they are reacting against what their parents and grandparents subscribe to, which is comparatively quite staid against crystal shop lunacy and Eastern Orthodoxy(in practice worship of Russo-Byzantine culture). This is why hippies love(d) drugs, hypercasual clothing, niggers, communism, etc.- because their Depression-era parents and Lost Gen grandparents were staunchly against that kind of degeneracy. Left-wing Zoomers are reacting against their parents for the same reason (because their beliefs are boring) but with different goals (to become freaks as a form of sexual gratification).

[Muskox]

There are Christians as well but that's not unique to zoomers, except that most zoomers are not protestant. I have met many greek zoomers and some catholic zoomers but almost never protestants..

This is true online maybe, but I live in an area with a huge amount of Catholics and practically all of the actually religious young people that I know are some form of Evangelical Protestant.

[Ricky23]

I may have generalised too much with that comment, I should say that it is at least the case in New Zealand.

[Guest]

Zoomer social customs revolve around being advertiser friendly. Everything they think, do, and say is the result of growing up in an environment where one is expected to act in a way that is welcoming to advertisers. It's why they c*nsor sw*ar w*rds like so and performatively crusade against porn (while simultaneously having an alt account named something like @Sissy4BBC where they follow and curate exactly what one would expect from a name like that.) Much like "Sitcom Humor Robots" but with a more transparently corporate-dictated input than sitcoms.

[Selim]

Zoomer social customs revolve around being advertiser friendly. Everything they think, do, and say is the result of growing up in an environment where one is expected to act in a way that is welcoming to advertisers. It's why they c*nsor sw*ar w*rds like so and performatively crusade against porn (while simultaneously having an alt account named something like @Sissy4BBC where they follow and curate exactly what one would expect from a name like that.) Much like "Sitcom Humor Robots" but with a more transparently corporate-dictated input than sitcoms.

I believe it has been noted on here before but zoomers are actually less sexual than prior generations. With that in mind, even when a given zoomer does have a social media account set up for gooning purposes, I think the typical case is very far from something like "@Sissy4BBC". Your willingness to bring up that specific paraphilic subculture leads me to believe you secretly have an interracial porn fetish. Let this incident play into our considerations about the GQ (Guest Question).

[Guest]

I know you are but what am I?

[JohnnyRomero]

Zoomer social customs revolve around being advertiser friendly. Everything they think, do, and say is the result of growing up in an environment where one is expected to act in a way that is welcoming to advertisers. It's why they c*nsor sw*ar w*rds like so and performatively crusade against porn (while simultaneously having an alt account named something like @Sissy4BBC where they follow and curate exactly what one would expect from a name like that.) Much like "Sitcom Humor Robots" but with a more transparently corporate-dictated input than sitcoms.

I believe it has been noted on here before but zoomers are actually less sexual than prior generations. With that in mind, even when a given zoomer does have a social media account set up for gooning purposes, I think the typical case is very far from something like "@Sissy4BBC". Your willingness to bring up that specific paraphilic subculture leads me to believe you secretly have an interracial porn fetish. Let this incident play into our considerations about the GQ (Guest Question).

I think that both of these observations vindicate Strauss & Howe's ("Wow! JR brought up Strauss-Howe generational theory! Whatsoever will he bring up next! Spengler? MBTI? Trump? A painfully tangentially parenthetical? Such unpredictable insi -ACK!") assertion that the people born in the main "Zoomer" birth years (1996-2005) are just late Millennials and therefore belong to a Civic generation. The traits fit: conformist, collegial, wholesome, risk-averse, friendly, conflict-avoidant, socialistic, and collectivist. People fail to notice this because it fails to conform with the model of America's previous Civic generation, the GI generation, for two main reasons:
1. Millennials/Zoomers have not yet had their generation-defining Crisis climax experience for a number of reasons, chiefly government incompetence IMO.
2. America is now Fake and Gay, so generational traits are expressed in a Fake and Gay way. Contrast the global missionary efforts and the support for McKinley's "Great White Fleet" of the Idealist Missionary generation of FDR and William Jennings Bryant with the dope-using and hairy, smelly sex of their Boomer successors, or the Lost Generation of Hitler, Patton, and Hemingway with the Generation X of Musk, Rogan, and Mike Judge (honorary mentions, thoughbeit, for Palahnuik, Ellis, and Gen X musicians - I think they stood as equals to their Lost predecessors). That is the difference between the GI's and Millennials/Zoomers.

Two additional points on Zoomers in Strauss-Howe generational theory... I recently re-read the original 1991 Generations, and noted two points that the authors made about the GI Generation. First, they mentioned that the early-wave GI's produced more idealistic optimists, whereas the late-wave GI's produced more cool-headed rationalists. I think that this differentiation is a decent general description of the Millennial-Zoomer divide, at least on a certain level. This phenomenon may have something to do with the generation that primarily parented each half of the generation, Idealists (Missionary or Boomer) for the first-wavers, Reactives (Lost or Xer) for the last-wavers. Second, they mentioned that, whereas older Boomers "set the tone" and inspired younger Boomers, the reverse was the case for the GI generation, with younger members of the generation inspiring the older. This seems to be the case for Millennials and Zoomers, and I can absolutely see a shift of Millennials trying to become "more Zoomer," especially if there is some sort of Crisis-defining conflict in which Zoomers are the primary foot soldiers and war heroes... anyways, I digress. As time goes by, I feel more and more strongly that Strauss, Howe, Spengler, etc. are all vindicated and that history is not, as the anti-knowledge Norwood would like you to believe, some impossible-to-understand Black Box of incredibly complex factors, but rather an easily-understood series of cycles-within-cycles that determine what kind of thing can happen, with a few Great Men (=player characters, Amarnites) deciding what happens within said cycles.

[womanobliterator]

Some things I've noticed about Zoomers:

1. Zoomers are the most uncreative generation in history. Despite having instant access to any and all information collected by mankind since the first letter was carved into a stone wall they have the least curiosity out of any generation on earth. A large portion of Zoomer interests are merely recycled Millennial culture (obsession with n64/Gamecube era video games, 90's/2000's era TV shows and cartoons etc). The internet is full of Zoomers with cheap drawing tablets, a cracked copy of paint tool sai/adobe flash and 700 "how to draw/animate" YouTube tutorials open at once and yet the creative output of their skills doesn't even come close to the sincerity of a 13 year old kid's Metal Gear Awesome knockoff animation from 2007. Zoomer creative output boils down entirely to taking their favourite media characters and recreating them as a FOTM meme. Zoomers are surprisingly skilled in the creation of media (although a lot of this boils down to just having more resources and easily accessible software/drawing tablets) than previous generations but cannot *create* anything of cultural value, they are simply input/output devices who consume media and regurgitate it to try and obtain updoots to feel creative.

2. Zoomers live in a state of hyper-atomization and are *desperate* for any form if identity or community to latch on to. White Zoomers are especially hit hard because every form of white identity has been basically crushed or berated as "lame" and "uncool" for the last 40 years which is why they're so susceptible to faggotry and leftism since not only is it promoted as "good" but as shallow as it is there is perceived community within it. Zoomers will make the most banal and surface level elements of media and culture their entire identity, if they find something they enjoy they will instantly update every online profile to revolve around this, a Millennial who discovered half life for the first time in say, 2011 would play the game, talk with his friends about it, post a few memes about it online then move on to something else. A Zoomer who plays half life will instantly update their Xitter, Discord, Tumblr and insta profiles to revolve around half life, spend the next half a year making half life memes, writing and discussing half life lore and try and crowbar any other aspect of their identity that they can into the world of Half Life (Gordon Freeman is trans and valid, just like me!)

3. Zoomers do not understand trends and the passage of time. This is somewhat a result of a lack of any good media in modern culture but Zoomers don't understand that trends come and go. A Zoomer does not understand why people stop talking about a game from 15 years ago even if it's still good, a Zoomer will see a cartoon that was incredibly popular in 2005 and say "why is no one talking about this underrated classic?". Zoomers do not understand that in the paradigm of pre-ubiquitous-internet instant access media that people would enjoy a show/song/game for the period of time it came out and then move on to something else. Zoomers don't realize that every conversation they have after finding something for the first time has already been had, they don't realize that every "insight" they come up with regarding a TV show was discussed ad nauseum 5 years before they were born on internet forums because they don't know these sites exist and haven't seen "discussion" surrounding it on youtube/tumblr/twitter etc. Zoomers exist in a media stasis bubble where everything is accessible at any time and as a result if someone is not talking about something that they like, that it is "slept on" instead of the fact that people just moved on.

I have more insights on Zoomers which I have to get around to fleshing out more, however these are the most common things I've noticed about Zoomers which seem to be near universal.

[anthony]

3. Zoomers do not understand trends and the passage of time. This is somewhat a result of a lack of any good media in modern culture but Zoomers don't understand that trends come and go. A Zoomer does not understand why people stop talking about a game from 15 years ago even if it's still good, a Zoomer will see a cartoon that was incredibly popular in 2005 and say "why is no one talking about this underrated classic?". Zoomers do not understand that in the paradigm of pre-ubiquitous-internet instant access media that people would enjoy a show/song/game for the period of time it came out and then move on to something else. Zoomers don't realize that every conversation they have after finding something for the first time has already been had, they don't realize that every "insight" they come up with regarding a TV show was discussed ad nauseum 5 years before they were born on internet forums because they don't know these sites exist and haven't seen "discussion" surrounding it on youtube/tumblr/twitter etc. Zoomers exist in a media stasis bubble where everything is accessible at any time and as a result if someone is not talking about something that they like, that it is "slept on" instead of the fact that people just moved on.

"Why aren't people talking about x" is the most common 4mex thread template. I've always figured it's because it's attention grabbing, suggests and adversarial framing of the issue in which people who like the thing are somehow opposed by people who simply don't currently care, makes it sound like there's something special about caring at the current moment. As you say, it's a weird new thing for culture to be leveled out into perfectly equal accessibility by the internet. This creates a lot of weird behaviours. As for the 4mex threads, I always figured it's just because people are needy retards who aren't thinking. I don't *think* that people so young they can't process the idea of a moving culture are making these threads. But I tend to always overestimate 4mex despite considering it one of the worst places on the internet. Maybe you've solved this.

I think that, tying into your identity point, this folds into the identification and community thing. Culture is leveled by the internet, you can go back and see anything. But there has always been a social aspect to media consumption and appreciation (Greenaway appreciates this) and I think it takes a certain high and cultivated character to appreciate things entirely as they are, by yourself. Even I bring things back here and talk about them (even if largely to myself). Torrenting some 50 year old movie you found flipping through wikipedia is sort of like entering an empty movie theatre. It's kind of lonely and eerie. This leads to various absurd phenomena like trying to force memes about decades old media, begging for remakes of video games which run perfectly on modern computers, it's all trying to fill the theatre. I think that most people were far happier with a mandated programming based access to media. It brings everyone together, for better and worse. The internet is a giant library, as I've said before. And only a certain type of person is really comfortable with and inclined to use a library.