Loser Sociology - Incel and Blackpill Communities (dbdr case study)
#41
[Video: https://youtu.be/TLQcYCerkLI]

dbdr still not having a great time. He just sounds completely unintegrated into all social life around himself at all times. I can sympathise strongly. His anecdotes about small innocuous events leading to hostile confrontations with people are relatable. That's me at various points. I think he needs to disengage from everything that he really hates and gets nothing from (primarily his relationship with his mother), and then he can at least work and sleep without so much chronic stress and emotional strain. Then if he gets a better job where he's not treated like a Chinese peasant he'll actually have some breathing room in life. That's really the impression I get from this video, that he's overwhelmed. I do believe we get overwhelmed even if we aren't living conventional lives of hell.

Also I suspect he may have been talking about my comments at one point in this video, he talks about nurture briefly and dismisses it as mattering. He really believes he is just fucked up at baseline. Of course some people can do better than others in the face of certain kinds of adversity, but that doesn't make their existence more justified or superior to your own.

What do you say to a guy in this situation? I ask you all again to contemplate the life of the 21st century loser.
#42
I'm sorry, but i've been listening to him for quite a while and i found him quite insightful and funny at times, but the last video it's just unbearable, i'm not gonna subject to someone talking himself down in circles for almost 45 minutes, making impresions with his annoying voice and zoomerspeech.

If he's been defeated and it's over for him, then so be it.
#43
(01-16-2023, 10:26 AM)Guest Wrote: I'm sorry, but i've been listening to him for quite a while and i found him quite insightful and funny at times, but the last video it's just unbearable, i'm not gonna subject to someone talking himself down in circles for almost 45 minutes, making impresions with his annoying voice and zoomerspeech.

If he's been defeated and it's over for him, then so be it.

He's not to be observed a philosopher, he's a character. I find this decline absolutely fascinating.
#44
Hearing this guys life is so depressing, especially his childhood. “Memories are what make us who we are” and I think his memories of his childhood are part of his loser Identity. I’m not saying  his mom always bitching to him and his work problems are due to past memories but it can’t help that all his past memories only affirm that he’s a loser. I think just total memory wipe of his past would do dbdr some good, not going to fix his current problems but he wouldn’t have such a heavy past on his shoulders.
#45
(01-17-2023, 06:31 AM)Guest Wrote: Hearing this guys life is so depressing, especially his childhood. “Memories are what make us who we are” and I think his memories of his childhood are part of his loser Identity. I’m not saying  his mom always bitching to him and his work problems are due to past memories but it can’t help that all his past memories only affirm that he’s a loser. I think just total memory wipe of his past would do dbdr some good, not going to fix his current problems but he wouldn’t have such a heavy past on his shoulders.

I agree. It all runs together on top of that. I believe that adverse early experiences really get carved right into you. Emotional and hormonal baselines, social instincts, etc. And remembering the experiences constantly freshens the damage. I do think that in cultures where people get over it their attitude towards remembering is a significant part. War survivors just not talking about it. Maybe that's harsh, but it kept them moving.

In dbdr's case of course I wouldn't recommend that, because I believe that our time simply can't afford any more men who are forced to live like this getting over it and getting on with it. 
#46
(01-17-2023, 06:51 AM)anthony Wrote: I do think that in cultures where people get over it their attitude towards remembering is a significant part. War survivors just not talking about it. Maybe that's harsh, but it kept them moving.

In dbdr's case of course I wouldn't recommend that, because I believe that our time simply can't afford any more men who are forced to live like this getting over it and getting on with it. 
I remember dbdr talking about how “nobody’s going to help you” and how only “you can help yourself” which does show independence and desire to succeed. His current stultifying condition constantly seem to prevent him from truly reforming himself, from ascending from a loser. I agree that the current conditions of the world need to change and how odysseus’s men can’t stay on the island of the lotus eaters if there is going to be change.

I recall that dbdr called the blackpill the “ultimate knowledge” and I wonder if his faith in this knowledge would come in conflict with a true movement to change the current conditions. The incel blackpill is all about loss of hope, “it’s over”, and I think this also includes hope for a change in conditions as well. 

But I don’t know, I don’t have a clear image in this.
#47
(01-17-2023, 07:10 AM)Guest Wrote: I remember dbdr talking about how “nobody’s going to help you” and how only “you can help yourself” which does show independence and desire to succeed. His current stultifying condition constantly seem to prevent him from truly reforming himself, from ascending from a loser. I agree that the current conditions of the world need to change and how odysseus’s men can’t stay on the island of the lotus eaters if there is going to be change.

I recall that dbdr called the blackpill the “ultimate knowledge” and I wonder if his faith in this knowledge would come in conflict with a true movement to change the current conditions. The incel blackpill is all about loss of hope, “it’s over”, and I think this also includes hope for a change in conditions as well. 

But I don’t know, I don’t have a clear image in this.

I don't think the blackpill is preventing him from acting in life. He's more active than me. Seeks work, wants to move out, wants to move onto more appealing work. The blackpill I think is just cementing what was already done. His outsider nature is fixed. He does not socially integrate into any situation. I don't remember if I wrote here before about his account of people getting pissed off at him over his conduct in a store. If you're getting into that situation you're just totally out of tune with your surroundings. Normalfags can tell. In my opinion it's good he's set against this, because the low status options in the 21st century are awful. Better to live against your time.
#48
His issue is that he cares, or rather, he has been psyopped to demand the "social middle class" normgroid life. So he seethes - and because he is fundamentally not a normie, normies detect this and the seethe both, resulting in basically being a repellant - even other non-normies such as most people here simply don't want to deal with such people in any way directly because the mood rubs off on you and makes you irritable.

It's like a... reverse failed normie of sorts.

I also am not exactly someone who "fits in" - but instead of seething about it, I realized some things (the most useful bits of TRP and the whole PUA shit isn't even about women - but society in general, often only implicitly) - I stopped caring about it, and by becoming a "Sovereign Individual" suddenly became very liked, for better or worse.

There was a guy in HS - short, skinny, hilariously negative canthal tilt, receded jaw, very roman "bumped" nose, atrocious hairline - the whole package. By mere appearance you'd think he was the king of all incels - nope, was well liked, cavorted with the pretty girls and all - just by being a charismatic normgroid. If you're a normie appearance basically doesn't matter. It's a whole different thing.
#49
[Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klBkmlHtXJs]

Our man has uploaded again. Maybe it's just me but he sounds a bit better here than the last couple. I left a comment saying as much. I find his bravura in the face of adversity inspiring. He actually laughs a little in this video, and is generally just kind of kind of making funny comments on normalfreak stuff he observes. A nice tone. Fun 20 minutes.
#50
Dbdr does sound more lively and energetic.

The first part of the video before he gets to the story reminds me of how Thomas Hobbes describes cursing, “a reflex of the tongue.” I think his whole “Bro just do this” imitation is his most repeated. 

Hope he becomes a truck driver, it does seem like it would solve most of his immediate problems.
#51
(12-15-2022, 09:36 PM)Datacop Wrote:
(12-15-2022, 09:03 PM)anthony Wrote: Is there a solution? I've been thinking recently about how dbdr gets out and it seems like the only options are political crisis massively shaking up the lives of young men, or he becomes a criminal. For the sake of simplicity lets roll ponzis, crypto, and other such zero sum tricksiness into 'crime'.

Honestly, you said it, "crime" is the only solution. We live in gayworld and there's really no straight-laced way to make it anymore. Boomers could just fall into a lifetime career, whatever, they lived in the most economically prosperous time in human history, of course they had it easier than us. Just because it's hard doesn't mean there's no solution but suicide, and I think suggesting suicide as a solution like Bauer wrote is actively damaging.

On a somewhat unrelated sidenote, I suspect the popularity of "hustle" culture and "sigma grindset" memes is a tacit admittance that the only way to earn money and be successful in the current year is to be engaged in some kind of underhanded or otherwise unconventional activity, working yourself like a dog or both. 

Relating this to dbdr's situation I'm inclined to agree with Anthony in the sense that there really is little he can do to alleviate his social situation beyond maybe no longer seeing "loser" as his social identity and changing his circumstance, but this only helps his internal peace/frame of mind rather than actually solve his problems as his problems are fundamentally societal. Despite his general melancholy I still respect his general spirit of discontent more than the norwood who adopts a spiritually castrated frame of mind for a pity of internal peace rather than facing the harsh truth that society is fundamentally wrong.

I do believe him becoming a trucker will be good since it changes his "underlying social environment" to something less actively hostile, and the long solitary hours of trucking seems to be well-suited for his mind than warehouse hell. I still think he'd be a sad outcast but at least he won't be in hostile space 24/7, which could spur future change or growth.

In general this is the advice that should be given instead of normgroid stuff. One should accept the truth that you will never be a normie, but only as a stepping stone to reach beyond it, first by changing your situation to where it's less actively hostile, and then by putting your mark on the world.
#52
(02-15-2023, 03:24 PM)Solus Wrote:
(12-15-2022, 09:36 PM)Datacop Wrote:
(12-15-2022, 09:03 PM)anthony Wrote: Is there a solution? I've been thinking recently about how dbdr gets out and it seems like the only options are political crisis massively shaking up the lives of young men, or he becomes a criminal. For the sake of simplicity lets roll ponzis, crypto, and other such zero sum tricksiness into 'crime'.

Honestly, you said it, "crime" is the only solution. We live in gayworld and there's really no straight-laced way to make it anymore. Boomers could just fall into a lifetime career, whatever, they lived in the most economically prosperous time in human history, of course they had it easier than us. Just because it's hard doesn't mean there's no solution but suicide, and I think suggesting suicide as a solution like Bauer wrote is actively damaging.

On a somewhat unrelated sidenote, I suspect the popularity of "hustle" culture and "sigma grindset" memes is a tacit admittance that the only way to earn money and be successful in the current year is to be engaged in some kind of underhanded or otherwise unconventional activity, working yourself like a dog or both.

Definitely. And I think it's ultimately a cowardly turn. You won't fight the machine, you'll just become a bullying parasite in the darker spots of its domain. Everyone is on track to lose eventually, but it's possible to "win" at the expense of everyone around yourself short term.

Some of us don't want to become niggers. What then? Well as we've said we don't have much to work with, not much seems plausible. Maybe more would if people didn't allow themselves to be placated so easily. And as for crime, the criminals I can respect are the ones who actually fight. Not just the ones who are basically that kid in class who the teacher just can't be fucked dealing with most of the time.

I want to make a thread on seriously violent anti-social crime now. These guys and the White Uno Gang come to mind.

[Image: https://i.ibb.co/mGsXCRX/image.png]

These guys did not get rich. It was never about the money.
#53
Update, he posts on a side channel now.

https://www.youtube.com/@DbdrExtended

He is not coping well with his job. His thoughts are turning to sadness and hopelessness.


[Video: https://youtu.be/2wyP-TPxP6w]

Here's his most interesting new video. Not his current circumstances, another story about his past. He got placed in a special needs class with mexicans who couldn't speak English for reading and writing, and so he never really learned more than rudimentary English skills until a fairly advanced age. But it's more just recollecting how unhappy he was in the normal classes afterwards. He clearly got hit with a few particularly painful memories and then made this. He says he's going off of drinking (we'll see) just because he remembers things when he does.

These sort of mundane school stories interest me because so many people have so many. A two decades of these experiences add up. How could anybody be happy when they have to live through this?
#54
Thanks for pointing out the side channel, just caught up on his latest videos there. I've been following the dbdrcel for a little over a year now and he is an interesting case study for all the reasons mentioned in this thread. Plus, his humor + speaking skills make it easy to listen to him talking about all manner of subjects.

His most common topics are blackpilled stories from his past or present, but he sometimes discusses more philosophical topics such as in this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3UaqIgtGnU) where he talks about the effects of modernity on society/human evolution or this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIZQqy8T8TI) about how stupid the rehashed pop culture goyslop is and how the real reason most people enjoy it is because they're doing it with other people. In some ways it's on the right track but his thinking is unpolished and he doesn't approach these subjects with much rigor or follow them through to their logical conclusions. This is probably because he largely views these YouTube monologues as a form of therapy -- he has repeatedly mentioned that making these videos helps keep him sane -- rather than using them to purposefully interrogate ideas/concepts.

Another interesting note: I can't remember which video (he might have taken it down) but he mentioned in an aside that a few years ago one of his Mexican music friends broke off their acquaintanceship because it somehow came up that he supported Trump. Dbdr isn't an overtly ideological conservative or nationalist and he doesn't appear to follow politics, but it is a notable that a figure like Trump resonated with him.
#55
(03-05-2023, 04:20 PM)Rudolf von Goldenbaum Wrote: In some ways it's on the right track but his thinking is unpolished and he doesn't approach these subjects with much rigor or follow them through to their logical conclusions.

This seems like an extension of his behavior in most things; unpolished, unrigorous, and unfinished. I personally can't watch more than a few of videos at once because they all blend together to the same gray content blob. Someone in this thread suggested we try to send him Bronze Age Mindset and at this point I'm in agreement, he needs a fire under his ass if his situation is to ever improve. Maybe he should get robbed at gunpoint or something.
#56
(03-05-2023, 05:00 PM)Datacop Wrote:
(03-05-2023, 04:20 PM)Rudolf von Goldenbaum Wrote: In some ways it's on the right track but his thinking is unpolished and he doesn't approach these subjects with much rigor or follow them through to their logical conclusions.

This seems like an extension of his behavior in most things; unpolished, unrigorous, and unfinished. I personally can't watch more than a few of videos at once because they all blend together to the same gray content blob. Someone in this thread suggested we try to send him Bronze Age Mindset and at this point I'm in agreement, he needs a fire under his ass if his situation is to ever improve. Maybe he should get robbed at gunpoint or something.

I feel like the most realistic option might be selected excerpts of BAP talking if you actually wanted to reach dbdr. He's not going to read a book, but he might listen to a few minutes of someone speaking.
#57
(03-05-2023, 05:00 PM)Datacop Wrote:  I personally can't watch more than a few of videos at once because they all blend together to the same gray content blob. 

This is there only redeeming quality. Only reason I can enjoy his videos.
#58
(01-17-2023, 06:31 AM)Guest Wrote: Hearing this guys life is so depressing, especially his childhood. “Memories are what make us who we are” and I think his memories of his childhood are part of his loser Identity. I’m not saying  his mom always bitching to him and his work problems are due to past memories but it can’t help that all his past memories only affirm that he’s a loser. I think just total memory wipe of his past would do dbdr some good, not going to fix his current problems but he wouldn’t have such a heavy past on his shoulders.
(01-17-2023, 06:51 AM)anthony Wrote: I agree. It all runs together on top of that. I believe that adverse early experiences really get carved right into you. Emotional and hormonal baselines, social instincts, etc. And remembering the experiences constantly freshens the damage.
"Memories make us who we are," but remembering is an active and continuous process. All one needs to do in order to not be oneself any longer is simply: Stop. It's something we all do every night, when we sleep.

If man is a assembly of sweepings, a heap of dust fleetingly gathered, an accumulation of garbage and bad dreams, then there is no hope for him. Any divot in his being can only be plastered over.

But if man is a splinter of eternity, then doing the impossible is as simple as going home.
#59
(01-17-2023, 06:31 AM)Guest Wrote: Hearing this guys life is so depressing, especially his childhood. “Memories are what make us who we are” and I think his memories of his childhood are part of his loser Identity. I’m not saying  his mom always bitching to him and his work problems are due to past memories but it can’t help that all his past memories only affirm that he’s a loser. I think just total memory wipe of his past would do dbdr some good, not going to fix his current problems but he wouldn’t have such a heavy past on his shoulders.
You have a level of control over what you remember and how you interpret what you remember. Every interaction you have is a job interview. Everyone, subconsciously, is constantly judging every aspect of your appearance. Anyone can decide they did the best or worst given the circumstances and change their moral sensibility to reflect this. A common trope in all media is significant coincidence: a chance run-in with "the one," an unlucky homicide, a vague sense you were born at the wrong time. Thought is primarily rationalization. You live in the prison you create. I don't know you personally, but rest assured a bit of confidence and willingness to just be yourself will go a long way.
#60
(03-07-2023, 01:45 AM)obscurefish Wrote:
(01-17-2023, 06:31 AM)Guest Wrote: Hearing this guys life is so depressing, especially his childhood. “Memories are what make us who we are” and I think his memories of his childhood are part of his loser Identity. I’m not saying  his mom always bitching to him and his work problems are due to past memories but it can’t help that all his past memories only affirm that he’s a loser. I think just total memory wipe of his past would do dbdr some good, not going to fix his current problems but he wouldn’t have such a heavy past on his shoulders.
(01-17-2023, 06:51 AM)anthony Wrote: I agree. It all runs together on top of that. I believe that adverse early experiences really get carved right into you. Emotional and hormonal baselines, social instincts, etc. And remembering the experiences constantly freshens the damage.
"Memories make us who we are," but remembering is an active and continuous process. All one needs to do in order to not be oneself any longer is simply: Stop. It's something we all do every night, when we sleep.

If man is a assembly of sweepings, a heap of dust fleetingly gathered, an accumulation of garbage and bad dreams, then there is no hope for him. Any divot in his being can only be plastered over.

But if man is a splinter of eternity, then doing the impossible is as simple as going home.

I greatly appreciate the sentiment. Thank you for posting.

I believe it is possible, and even arguably quite simple, but I also believe it's one of the hardest things one can do.



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