Post Victory Thread: Drug Users
Carbide
Can Drugbrains be rehabiliated? After the war, we do not want the drugbrains teaching the next generation that smoking weed is cool. We can't have them growing weed with glow lights and hydroponics. We can't have them smuggling and being ungovernable little shits. Every weedbrain is a jewwy, retarded, slob. Being around weedbrains when I was in high school is when I decided I never wanted to do drugs, never wanted to end up like them. We'd is definitely not cool, it's one of the faggiest drugs out there, but meth and opioids are no better. I think alcohol is bad too, but there are methods to make it less bad.
The question I want to pose is, you are the king of America after a successful civil war; how do you ensure drugbrains can't spread their cancer to the next generation?

For me, I intend to dismantle industrial society altogether so it is a lot easier. No one can buy and maintain growlights in a deindustrialized, deglobalized country. But I do think there will be a transitory period where there is still industry and businesses operating. Deglobalization is big. Simply don't allow mass numbers of people to cross the border and live jetsetting tourist lifestyles, and the opportunities for smuggling are much lower. I think this is my idea for most of my drug interdiction policies. Simply make it difficult, systemically, to establish and maintain the infrastructure -- especially logistics -- of the drug trade. Landmines on the border, shoot on sight border patrol, and a sink on sight coast guard will also destroy the drug trade. But the weedbrains themselves must also be exiled or put into quarantine cities as a final policy to contain the spread of the disease and kill the demand for drugs in the first place. Ultimately, you have to kill the demand. Everything else should just be a means to do that. Hopeless drugbrains will be identified, rounded up, and conscripted into the exile armies that will be sent to establish white ethnostates on foreign shores to set up their drug ridden libertarian utopias. Other drugbrains which show a readiness and ability to be reformed will be quarantined to special economic zones for a generation-long detox. Children will be permitted to migrate out of these zones when they become adults, and parents will be allowed to join their children when they become established, to live out their old age in the care and responsibility of their grown children.

But I'm sure most of you intend to keep an industrial society up and running. Your challenges for ending drugbrainism are going to be much higher. What will you do?
BillyONare
I like technology and, infrequently, smoking weed. Your proposal to kill a bunch of people over a minor crime is highly Asiatic. It's not too far off from the Chinkese welding people inside of their apartments to achieve Zero Coronavirus or Japan raising the age of consent or Singapore fashily killing druggies while also fashily making everyone wear face diapers and consuming the worst drug of all: vaccines. Please keep in mind that Aryans are bred to be amoral apex predators, not tax slaves to weak and resentful bureaucrats that want their betters to follow a thousand stifling rules at the point of a bayonet. Libertarians are again proven to be the most based.
Zed
(02-20-2023, 02:39 PM)Carbide Wrote: But I'm sure most of you intend to keep an industrial society up and running. Your challenges for ending drugbrainism are going to be much higher. What will you do?

Nothing. Remove safety nets and let nature sort itself out. If people overdose, fine. If they do not, fine. Vice is a whac-a-mole game - it will always simply move to something else. 

If you don't want the next generation to do drugs, the right approach is to identify why current generations does drugs. Lack of romantic prospects, career, etc. Address those causes, and promote culture that associates such drugs with things that inspire disgust-reactions, and the rest will follow. Indeed, anti-drug meme campaigns can work, but they must be done differently. Christian anti-drug campaigns fucked up because they made drugs look 'cool', 'edgy', and satanic. Instead, the conceptual linkage should be to kiwifarms-tier lolcows. The average person should feel humiliated at the prospect of taking weed - not tempted.

Different classes of drugs should be treated differently as well. Cocaine should not be treated the same as weed, and mushrooms should not be treated the same as opiates. There is a place for seldom-used hallucinogenic-class drugs in pro-social environments: It should understood that some non-significant portion of natural aristocrats will always be inclined towards trying such things simply on account of the experience, and it might suffice to simply gatekeep the experiences beyond paywalls - in a similar way to how current upper class pays 3-5k for an ayahuasca retreat.

[Vice is a whac-a-mole game - it will always simply move to something else] An example - ban weed and you're going to start seeing a lot of shortages of cough syrup.
Carbide
(02-20-2023, 06:42 PM)BillyONare Wrote: I like technology and, infrequently, smoking weed. Your proposal to kill a bunch of people over a minor crime is highly Asiatic. It's not too far off from the Chinkese welding people inside of their apartments to achieve Zero Coronavirus or Japan raising the age of consent or Singapore fashily killing druggies while also fashily making everyone wear face diapers and consuming the worst drug of all: vaccines. Please keep in mind that Aryans are bred to be amoral apex predators, not tax slaves to weak and resentful bureaucrats that want their betters to follow a thousand stifling rules at the point of a bayonet. Libertarians are again proven to be the most based.

I didn't say I'd kill you, I said I'd exile the worst of you and put the rest in camps.
Aryans have nearly gone extinct under lolberg ideas about extreme freedom like this. And to be honest what we are now is not actually Aryans. We are the degenerated, sick cattle spoken of in the Oera Linda book.
After generations of dysgenic freedom, the medicine called for is eugenic tyranny for a generation. That will purify the excesses, and win us a trillion years of freedom in space. Whereas your freedom will damn us to total annihilation just on the cusp of interstellar travel, which, if you had your way, would be a good thing and a saving grace because we cannot be allowed to spread our sickness to the stars.
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BillyONare
(02-20-2023, 07:49 PM)Carbide Wrote: Whereas your freedom will damn us to total annihilation just on the cusp of interstellar travel, which, if you had your way, would be a good thing and a saving grace because we cannot be allowed to spread our sickness to the stars.

Meds. I didn't say that. I thought you were the one that was against industrialization?
fox
https://exlacrima.substack.com/p/opinion...-a-capital
Carbide
(02-20-2023, 08:10 PM)BillyONare Wrote:
(02-20-2023, 07:49 PM)Carbide Wrote: Whereas your freedom will damn us to total annihilation just on the cusp of interstellar travel, which, if you had your way, would be a good thing and a saving grace because we cannot be allowed to spread our sickness to the stars.

Meds. I didn't say that. I thought you were the one that was against industrialization?

I'm a techno-primitivist, which in my case means I support a limited, self-contained industrial park for the state's defense systems, tractors for mechanized farming, a targeted biotech industry, and a very robust space industry. Everyone else should live simple lives on homesteads like our ancestors did.
Zed
(02-20-2023, 08:23 PM)fox Wrote: https://exlacrima.substack.com/p/opinion...-a-capital

"He thinks monopolies are bad."
GraphWalkWithMe
It's not like vice has ever not existed. Drugs have been used for thousands of years, and alcohol production seemed to be a major factor in fueling initial civilization (note that animals and even insects actively seek drunkenness from fermented fruit). Total prohibition only sows discontent and the increased power of black markets, the American 1920's provide an obvious example here.

The Putin route is a better strategy - ban the active encouragement of vices in things like gay pride parades. Reddit weed propaganda is an obvious target, but isn't legally realistic at this point. Pharma and the medical industry are probably ideal first points of attack; almost everyone is in agreement that prescriptions are doled out too liberally.

Quote:The average person should feel humiliated at the prospect of taking weed - not tempted.

Zed points out another good strategy. People with genuine habits do tend to feel a real shame about it, as does the larger society in general, hence the old  "XXX" label on Moonshine bottles.
Guest
The Scythians used cannabis recreationally; you play video games for ten hours a day. Everybody has a "vice," some of you are just incapable of being honest with yourselves about what it is YOU like/use. When you act sanctimonious, and look down on people who drink booze or smoke weed, it makes seem like those Twitter pedophiles who "hide in plain sight" by monomaniacally condemning child sexual abuse - see DrPizza.

@Carbide - you have this ridiculously severe and unrealistic idea that you want to enact, with absolutely no way to do it. You have no strength, no charisma, and no influence - nothing but grandiosity, delusion, and overall, a total lack of self-awareness. I think, actually, rather than spending your time fantasizing about how you're going to "smash the patriarchy" or whatever, it'd be better for you to have a drink - or smoke - and maybe that would stop you from being a stodgy, teetotalling autist: that way, when you FINALLY get around to implementing your world domination plan, you aren't foiled by step one: interacting with human beings in real life.
anthony
(02-21-2023, 06:37 AM)Guest Wrote: The Scythians used cannabis recreationally; you play video games for ten hours a day. Everybody has a "vice," some of you are just incapable of being honest with yourselves about what it is YOU like/use. When you act sanctimonious, and look down on people who drink booze or smoke weed, it makes seem like those Twitter pedophiles who "hide in plain sight" by monomaniacally condemning child sexual abuse - see DrPizza.

Nobody mentioned alcohol or has really expressed anything even remotely resembling animosity or contempt towards anything but weed. Modern weed culture is really a special case, because it is a culture, not just a substance. And of course the substance itself has been changed so much since the time of the scythians that the comparison doesn't seem relevant. Chemistry-enabled THC-maxxing is not comparable to old cannabis. And yes even the just a plants have been THC maxxed. It's a gross, stinking substance which wears people down into a low state which is simultaneously unnaturally complacent and neurotic. And its users (who aren't just retarded non whites with no brains to scramble in the first place) are as insufferable as cyclists about their precious stink-weed.

I didn't create this thread, if I were to raise this line of thinking I wouldn't limit the discussion to potheads and would instead discuss what is to be more generally done with people who have embraced the debasement of our time in all ways. As you say yourself, just about everyone is in some way or other. I would probably lean towards a kind of relative lenience on this issue since I see the general state of the entire human race as absolutely horrific in the current year. OP says we don't want drugbrains perpetuating their culture across generations. To that I say, do you want any common character of our time reproducing their nature?

And as for the last part, is your suggestion that OP is secretly smoking weed?

Quote:@Carbide - you have this ridiculously severe and unrealistic idea that you want to enact, with absolutely no way to do it. You have no strength, no charisma, and no influence - nothing but grandiosity, delusion, and overall, a total lack of self-awareness. I think, actually, rather than spending your time fantasizing about how you're going to "smash the patriarchy" or whatever, it'd be better for you to have a drink - or smoke - and maybe that would stop you from being a stodgy, teetotalling autist: that way, when you FINALLY get around to implementing your world domination plan, you aren't foiled by step one: interacting with human beings in real life.

This thread is a hypothetical thought exercise. You know that. But you're trying to adopt roastie schoolteacher patterns of verbal mindrape to make OP irrationally feel bad. Nice try, but I think we're rather well innoculated against that trash here. When I read "grandiosity, delusion, and a total lack of self-awareness" I just picture a lion roaring. Your imitation of an Aaron Sorkin protagonist is probably the most genuinely narcissistic behaviour one will find on this site. There is no twitter mulatto legion lurking on this site and there are no upvotes. Posting like this won't get you anywhere.
Carbide
Anthony Wrote:I didn't create this thread, if I were to raise this line of thinking I wouldn't limit the discussion to potheads and would instead discuss what is to be more generally done with people who have embraced the debasement of our time in all ways. As you say yourself, just about everyone is in some way or other. I would probably lean towards a kind of relative lenience on this issue since I see the general state of the entire human race as absolutely horrific in the current year. OP says we don't want drugbrains perpetuating their culture across generations. To that I say, do you want any common character of our time reproducing their nature?


This question basically comes down to the question of culture in general. Contemporary culture is far too broad to ever be able to consider every aspect of it in a single thread. Ideally, we would get rid of our entire culture -- that's basically how the cycle of civilizational rise and fall happens. A culture becomes monolithic in its dominance, stagnates, and collapses, leaving a dark age in its wake. I believe we are at such a civilizational collapse, and that deleting our entire culture would be how to reboot and avoid the dark age. I think one of the tasks of the next few generations will be to find a way to accelerate the natural process of deleting the stagnant culture and creating a genuinely new one. That would entail going against our own natures, to do differently than our ancestors did, and find such a short cut to renewal. Things like abandoning our current religions, abandoning our current language, both are necessary steps. But in any case, the scope is way too vast. Each of just those two endeavors could have a dozen threads each and never even scratch the surface. It seems like a bit of tu quoque/whataboutism.



Drug addiction and drug culture is a generational problem. Our ancestors didn't have to cope with these issues of addiction because there was no globalized logistics network for an industrialized drug trade. Sons end up using the same drugs as their fathers. These drugs, once introduced, became endemic and sparked decades long drug wars. Opium destroyed China. These issues can, have, and are destroying civilizations and are an existential threat. It's more than warranted to focus specifically on drugs.



Zed Wrote:Nothing. Remove safety nets and let nature sort itself out. If people overdose, fine. If they do not, fine.



Not to pick on Zed here, since he's far from the only one, but the lolberg answer is "do nothing," as is the lolberg answer to nearly everything. It's the marijuana of political ideologies. Lolbergism's refusal to ever use power to *do* something is why the lolberg ideology is a pointless and self-defeating non ideology. "Never use government power if you by some miracle manage to attain it." Lolbergs opining on political issues is like a eunuch opining on sex.

Drugs ARE harmful, drugs OUGHT be combatted, and drugs are a contagious social ill which makes it more difficult to eradicate than other social ills. As an example, if America had never had Reefer Madness, by which I mean a mass popularization of weed, it goes without saying that it would be easier to eradicate weed use than it will be now that nearly every zoomer uses it. By contrast, consider how easy it will be to eliminate Salvia compared to Weed. The more we let lolberg clowns push their laissez-faire non-action on drugs, the more intractable the problem becomes. All lolberg roads lead to civilization collapse, which is exactly where we are in real irl (in real life) life right rn (right now) now; so it's not some slippery slope projection into the future.



I have a long time friend who was addicted to opioids for years. My half-brother is addicted to meth. And everyone I know under 40 is addicted to weed. Drugs are something that destroys people, nations, and civilizations. Drug problems are not something that serious people should be listening to political eunuchs and their teenage internet ideology about. National Socialism and Monarchism and other authoritarian ideologies are the only legitimate right wing ideologies. Lolbergism is a left of center liberal ideology pioneered by Jews, and their opinions on drug use are a perfect example of why they are not right wing.


Lolbergs are outleftoid'ing the leftoids on every social issue. Just "do nothing" or "accelerate." The leftoid pushes the envelope and says gay marriage, the lolberg jumps ahead and says get government out of marriage and let people marry their brothers, or whatever other degenerate marriage practice you want to insert here. The leftoid pushes the envelope sand says legalize weed, and the lolberg jumps ahead and says legalize meth. It's all so tiresome.
Datacop
The solution to drugs is to actually criminalize it, which has never been tried in living memory

(02-21-2023, 06:37 AM)Guest Wrote: The Scythians used cannabis recreationally; you play video games for ten hours a day. Everybody has a "vice," some of you are just incapable of being honest with yourselves about what it is YOU like/use. When you act sanctimonious, and look down on people who drink booze or smoke weed, it makes seem like those Twitter pedophiles who "hide in plain sight" by monomaniacally condemning child sexual abuse - see DrPizza.

@Carbide - you have this ridiculously severe and unrealistic idea that you want to enact, with absolutely no way to do it. You have no strength, no charisma, and no influence - nothing but grandiosity, delusion, and overall, a total lack of self-awareness. I think, actually, rather than spending your time fantasizing about how you're going to "smash the patriarchy" or whatever, it'd be better for you to have a drink - or smoke - and maybe that would stop you from being a stodgy, teetotalling autist: that way, when you FINALLY get around to implementing your world domination plan, you aren't foiled by step one: interacting with human beings in real life.

Coal. "Just like, chillax man." This is the argumentative equivalent of women accusing men of being VURGINS when they say something disagreeable. "The Scythians smoked weed" is only a convincing argument insofar as one might be reenacting the Scythian ritual or a ceremony that has some connection to the Scythian rite, which you are not coming close to. The cultural ritual of smoking weed in the West is derived from gay communist Beatniks in the 1950s trying to emulate the niggers they shared tenement staircases with, and involves sitting around your shitty apartment watching ZOG-o-vision or jerking off; a highly important ritual to enter the Lazy Brown Retard community.
a system is failing
You really have to distinguish between culture and legal structure when you are trying to figure out how to tackle societal problems. Drug use can easily be curbed by creating a culture of discouragement backed up by legal prohibition of source materials and production. The biggest barrier right now to any kind of efforts is the mass cultural acceptance of marijuana use. The legal structures prohibing are dissolving as a result of this. Thus it necessarily precedes political prohibitions and even if you did take a hard authoritarian approach to solving it, you'd want a culture-level rebuke of the behavior as well. 

Outside of ages of false identity like ours I don't think the average person will really be predisposed to smoking pot. Nonwhites like drugs simply because they want to get "fucked up" and thus any kind of inebriation will suffice. In ordinary non-nigged circumstances I think white people don't feel magnetized towards pot generally. Ultimately Billy has the right idea for a truly post-win scenario. The question of how much authority has to be used to curtail it depends strongly on how populations get filtered as we transiton to post-win state.
Guest
(02-21-2023, 10:43 AM)a system is failing Wrote: You really have to distinguish between culture and legal structure when you are trying to figure out how to tackle societal problems. Drug use can easily be curbed by creating a culture of discouragement backed up by legal prohibition of source materials and production. The biggest barrier right now to any kind of efforts is the mass cultural acceptance of marijuana use. The legal structures prohibing are dissolving as a result of this. Thus it necessarily precedes political prohibitions and even if you did take a hard authoritarian approach to solving it, you'd want a culture-level rebuke of the behavior as well. 

Outside of ages of false identity like ours I don't think the average person will really be predisposed to smoking pot. Nonwhites like drugs simply because they want to get "fucked up" and thus any kind of inebriation will suffice. In ordinary non-nigged circumstances I think white people don't feel magnetized towards pot generally. Ultimately Billy has the right idea for a truly post-win scenario. The question of how much authority has to be used to curtail it depends strongly on how populations get filtered as we transiton to post-win state.

What are you talking about? Have you ever even smoked weed? Why do you think people use drugs in the first place?
Datacop
I'm not suggesting publicly caning White Men for indulging in something culture has unfortunately deemed acceptable, forgive them for they know not what they do, but to actually arrest and punish people who facilitate and distribute illegal narcotics for the first time since at least the 70s. There's a chicken-or-egg problem with discussing this: did weed become legal because of a culture permissive to weed, or did popular culture accept weed because of a lack of proper punishment for its distribution? Whites wouldn't have learned weed-smoking from blacks "hipsters" had their consumption been actively cracked down on and punished. The culture of marijuana consumption in America directly stems from fag-communist Beatniks and Hipsters trying to emulate black musicians just as the wigger of today seeks to emulate black rappers. In their own words, what does a White weed-smoker become?

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BillyONare
(02-21-2023, 10:17 AM)Carbide Wrote: lolberg lolberg lolberg lolberg lolberg

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JohnnyRomero
(02-21-2023, 10:17 AM)Carbide Wrote: I have a long time friend who was addicted to opioids for years. My half-brother is addicted to meth. And everyone I know under 40 is addicted to weed.

I actually agree with many of the broad strokes of this post for the most part, but I will say that I don't know anyone who's addicted to drugs. I know maybe two people who use weed (THC gummies etc.) even semi-regularly, and a few more who will use a gummy maybe once every few months at a party, if even that. I think that the fact that "everyone (You) know under 40 is addicted to weed" says more about you and your dubious economic and racial origins than it necessarily does about society. #JustSaiyan #NAP #SeemsLegit

EDIT: To expound upon this: the fact that everyone you know under 40 is some sort of druggie along with the existence of a "half-brother" strongly suggests to me that you belong to the American underclass, a plebeian. I do not wish to judge your nature purely based on your origins, as good blood is often mixed up even in bad groups and emerges from them in select individuals, and vice versa for bad blood in otherwise good stock; but I think there is something to be said about the class difference in support for liberty versus support for control. I have always hated the "individualism vs collectivism" and even the "authoritarianism vs libertarianism" debates, because they are based on a false premise, being that of equality. We can make no general declarations in favor of either as a universal prescription, because men are fundamentally unequal and deeply different in many regards. Authoritarianism and control is good, natural, and healthy for biological and spiritual serfs & peasants who cannot control themselves, as much as complete liberty and lassitude is perfectly befitting and healthy for the aristocrats of the soul. Those who clamor for the installation of general tyrants make known their status as natural slaves and serfs; those who would chose death over servitude are, by definition, the race of masters and heroes.

EDIT #2: For the record, I despise weed and everything about it. It is ugliness incarnate, a stinking plant that looks like matted, dirty dreadlocks and makes you lazy and stupid. I would consider implementing the death penalty for marijuana use solely to get rid of that damnable now-everpresent stench which now hangs over so many places. People who are very into weed are generally (but not always!) of the lowest sort; however, there are a couple I know whom I like quite a bit, and are quality specimens.
BillyONare
In his defense I have been in certain university social circles where it was common to smoke weed. In America regular weed use is very common, though not ubiquitous, and definitely not good for the individual or society.I don’t agree that a Chinese style “purifying tyranny” or countersignaling the ‘bergs is a good solution for reasons I can elucidate on more.
Zed
(02-21-2023, 02:53 PM)JohnnyRomero Wrote:
(02-21-2023, 10:17 AM)Carbide Wrote: I have a long time friend who was addicted to opioids for years. My half-brother is addicted to meth. And everyone I know under 40 is addicted to weed.

Authoritarianism and control is good, natural, and healthy for biological and spiritual serfs & peasants who cannot control themselves, as much as complete liberty and lassitude is perfectly befitting and healthy for the aristocrats of the soul. 

Although I still favor libertarian/neocameralist models due to the difficulty of discerning second/third-order effects ---  this is an actual traditional solution. The conception of infamia served Rome quite well. Too many ends here are based around large scale murder and incarceration, without appreciating how simple status incentives can reshape society quickly and dramatically, yet preserving enough room for genuine idiosyncratic subcultures on the outside to permit the movement of free spirits. Rampant mass executions/imprisonment are brutal and unimaginative solutions, and they take their own toll on the spirit of a society: mourning for lost friends and family, casual paranoia, false accusations, corruption - honeytraps against professional/corporate opponents.
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