Templism: A New European Paganism

[ꦈꦒꦲꦸꦫꦲꦺꦴꦗ꦳ꦲ]

Yes.

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[GraalChud]

Yes.

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While it is true that they were sometimes represented as planets, this does not seem to be reflective of the traditional Pagan view of the Gods, in both the pre- and post-Plato Greco-Roman world in which was keen on melding (aspects of) Babylonian-style astrology with European paganism. Some examples of how these people viewed their Gods:

Cleanthes (Stoic, 3rd century BC), Hymn to Zeus: "Zeus, prime mover of nature, steering all things by your law, Greetings! For it is proper for all mortals to speak to you: For we all descend from you, bearing our share of your likeness. We alone, of all mortal creatures that live and move on earth. So, I shall make song of you constantly and sing forever of your might. Truly, this whole universe, spinning around the earth, Obeys you wherever you lead, and willingly submits to your rule; Such is the servant you hold in your unconquerable hands, A double-edged, fiery, ever-living thunderbolt. For by its strikes all the works of nature happen. By it you direct the universal reason, which pervades all things. Intermixing with the great and small lights of the heavens. Because of this you are the greatest, the highest ruler of all. Not a single thing that is done on earth happens without you, God, Nor in the divine heavenly sphere nor in the sea, Except for what bad people do in their foolishness." Note the distinction between the heavens and the heavenly bodies contained therein and Zeus, the prime mover, God himself.

Aratus (3rd century BC, contemporary of Cleanthes), Phaenomena: "Jove fills the heavens - the earth - the sea - the air: We feel his spirit moving here, and everywhere..." Again, note the clear distinction between Jove, the deity, and the heavens. This is particularly important because Aratus was very much into astrology, yet still did not consider Jove to be some heavenly body. 

Heraclitus, Fragments: "The wise is one only. It is unwilling and willing to be called by the name of Zeus," "It is the thunderbolt that steers the course of all things." "To the soul, belongs the self-multiplying Logos." While you may contend that Logos, the Thunderbolt, and Zeus are all different things, the point remains true - Heraclitus did not equate any of these things, whether they be the same entity or not, to planets.

I could continue on with examples from Proclus, Iamblichus, Homer, Hesiod, Sallust (4th century Gaul, not the historian), Plotinus, Julian, etc. that further illustrate my point, but I think the examples above suffice to show my point. The same is even more true with non-Greco-Roman paganism (which is a cousin to Norse/Celtic/Iranic/Balto-Slavic/etc. paganism) - there is nothing indicating that your average Dane circa the 8th century believed that Odin was "akshully just a planet" or that Thor was just a name foisted upon natural phenomena that we call lightning/thunderstorms. This understanding of various Indo-European deities is one that was basically just whipped up by Enlightement-era thinkers to rationalize away the myths of their ancestors (not to disparage them, but rather to make them seem like sophisticated, scientific thinkers, not superstitious idiots who unironically believed in their own silly Gods); similarly, many Christians in late Antiquity rationalized away the existence of Pagan deities by adopting a Euhumerist framework that viewed the Gods as "mere men", lending credence to the whole "Pagans worship creation, not the creator" meme that was so often repeated by Christian polemicists (this, however, was absolutely done to disparage European paganism). My intention in pointing this out was not to derail the conversation, but rather to set the record straight re: how Europeans understood their traditional religions and the deities they worshipped, as there are many misconceptions surrounding this - it is a pet peeve of mine to see these types of claims made and accepted uncritically, especially in light of the fact that most of them are half-truths and/or misrepresentations (blatant or otherwise) at best, full-blown lies and cope at worst.

[The_Author]

GraalChud, you are much higher IQ on Amarna than your Twitter led me to believe. You are right.

It doesn't derail the conversation. This is the Templist view, too. The ancient pagans were Templists. Speaking with less hyperbole, Templism is an authentic modern iteration of ancient paganism. Pagans were common sense empiricists. They did not theorize greatly about the nature of the gods. They saw them, and such sightings were recorded, so they believed in them.

This is seen, as well, in the way in which the apostles proselytized to native Romans as opposed to Jews. For the Jews you have such theoretic passages as Hebrews, which was designed for an Alexandrian Jewish audience. Or, you have trumped up ethos passages ranting on about God's divinity or whatever. For the Romans, though, you had a greater focus on "this is what was witnessed".

Christians today are not very focused on this line of reasoning. It is why all the Christian critics of Templism cry about a lack of "spirit" or fucking "noumena" or whatever they might call their empty justification term. But if Jesus was witnessed and if the pagan gods were also witnessed that is that.

Templism calls this "phenomenological truth", as distinct from "heuristical truth". A heuristical truth is something like "the gods are akshully planets", which despite being without evidence, presents basically the true existence of the gods and is therefore approximately true, and useful for those astrologers who are wont to believe it. A phenomenological truth is whatever is seen. What are seen are planets that do not exhibit the qualities of gods, and gods that do not exhibit the qualities of planets, or any association with them.

[The_Author]

Actually I only have one argument against Templism and it's just a screenshot. Imagine going through the effort of worldbuilding and trying to connect rapidly fading dots of obscure pagan traditions (I genuinely applaud your patience in this thread and on your Substack) but this is the end of the road.

Templism allows TND. The passage quoted is simply true. How you implement that is up to you. On a national scale, it is obvious that the proper heuristic is "blacks are no good". Even if there is like 1 out of one hundred thousand who is ok, that is not statistically significant to alter national policy, though it is obviously significant to alter your personal relationship with that one person.

Templism is not designed to be a "throwaway religion". It is not designed to execute TND and then to become ill-suited for society because the "TND ethnic persecution meme" fails to account for other truths like those above, causing needless ethnic hostility in Europe or elsewhere. Many religions do this. They start with a very limited purpose, peddling retard-propaganda for that limited purpose, and thereafter the retard-propaganda wreaks havoc on the world when the limited purpose fades away, or it reduces the believability of the doctrine such that ridiculous rationalizations must be created to account for it.

The passage cited is true and that is all that matters. You can still do TND. There are many other passages that set that precedent.

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The versatility of TC is shown in the non-canonical document Wyrd!. Wyrd! is a Germanic Templist document, which highlights the fact that TC is supposed to be the "basis" of Templism, with more specific "throwaway" applications being developed through time. These are called "flavorings" of Templist Canon.

Wyrd! is extremely racist. It details a political ideology which provides ideas as to how blacks, and other foreigners, can be "reduced, culled, or disempowered". It slanders Mediterraneans repeatedly (though does not advocate hostility against them). It crusades against "nigger behavior" and the like.

But once the nigger problem is gone, so too can the ethnic persecutory nature of Wyrd! subside. The alternative would be a retard-meme-religion focused monomaniacally on ethnic strife for all eternity.

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The passage continues immediately below the screenshot passage:

"It is possible, for example, that a given Asian person will possess qualities X, Y, and Z that will endear him to a given European person who also possesses qualities X, Y, and Z. These qualities tie the two within the same non-racial tribe. Yet, the given European person cannot possibly inspect every Asian person to determine if they are X or not X, Y or not Y, Z or not Z. All he knows about them in aggregate is that they are Asian, and so this is how he must treat them in aggregate, while making exceptions for individuals who he does perceive to possess X, Y, and Z qualities. 

It is true, though, that a European with X, Y, and Z qualities is more similar to a European with X, Y, and Z qualities than to an Asian with X, Y, and Z qualities. It is also true that different qualities are weighted differently, and that it is natural for ethnic qualities to be weighted as highly important. Therefore a relationship, or organization, consisting of different races will often be discordant, with each member wishing to act in the service of his own race. This does not necessarily make such an organization 'bad', only likely to be discordant."

These statements about human psychology are true. As Templist Canon is supposed to be a sound basis for moral action, not merely an animating "meme", this is all that matters as far as we are concerned. How you apply it is another question. Maybe you don't like any Asians. I don't, never met one that I did terribly like. But the philosophy is about what is true and not about me memeing my particular preferences knowable at this specific moment into all eternity. It is possible that I could meet one that I do like, and this is true so I wrote it down.

[Gorgias]

Forgive me if this question/answer already exists, as I'm not going to read ur whole substack nor this whole thread.

I think these are mostly great ideas in terms of veracity but I don't know if they make for a great religion. The way you're writing is usually restricted to an esoteric teaching while the outward ideas are more dogmatic and supernatural (see plato's phaedrus if you haven't already.)

A question I'd ask is what's the raison d'etre of this whole templism thing? what does it do for you the author? what does it buy me the adherent?

[GraalChud]

Forgive me if this question/answer already exists, as I'm not going to read ur whole substack nor this whole thread.

I think these are mostly great ideas in terms of veracity but I don't know if they make for a great religion. The way you're writing is usually restricted to an esoteric teaching while the outward ideas are more dogmatic and supernatural (see plato's phaedrus if you haven't already.)

A question I'd ask is what's the raison d'etre of this whole templism thing? what does it do for you the author? what does it buy me the adherent?

Though I run the risk of being wrong as I`ve not read the Templist Canon, I believe that there isn`t really a raison d`etre of Templism as far as "rewards" are concerned; it is intended to be a set of perennial truths that simply "are", with those who encounter Templism having the option to either believe or not believe in them (I do vaguely recall seeing something about those who believe in the Gods being potentially able to communicate with and/or receive things from them, but that doesn`t seem to be the "point" of being a Templist, nor is it guaranteed to all those who consider themselves Templists). It does not seem to be a religion that is focused on Σωτηρία - pagan religions in Europe were historically often like this, with most adherents believing that some small number of great men might get to live amongst the Gods after death while most are either going to live in the equivalent of an eternal waiting room (Hel, Hades, etc.) and maybe a chance to come back to the world of the living at certain times (see the Roman Parentalia) and/or will reincarnate. This was not something that they placed great importance on or even necessarily aimed at, it was not the "point" of their religious beliefs, but rather a fact of life (and death). For them, their religion was just divine truth. Later on this would change, especially in the Roman world with the rise of Neoplatonism and Christianity, but that`s neither here nor there.

Anyway, this is both a strength and a weakness for Templism: intelligent people who are most concerned with reason and what is true and are also unable to refute what the Author says may be inclined to believe that Templism is the truth, but your average person is largely motivated by "incentives" when it comes to religion and thus will not find it appealing at all. This means that Templism will remain a religion for a small group of intelligent people in the future, but will not have mass appeal and will likely be seen as severely lacking compared to other religions in the eyes of most men.

[The_Author]

your average person is largely motivated by "incentives" when it comes to religion and thus will not find it appealing at all. This means that Templism will remain a religion for a small group of intelligent people in the future, but will not have mass appeal and will likely be seen as severely lacking compared to other religions in the eyes of most men.

This is true for other reasons as well. Templism is significantly beyond the Overton window. It is even beyond what most of the based right can comprehend, and beyond for example BAPism. It is influenced by early modern English philosophy, a few odd occult sects, and traditional paganism. There isn't really a comparable strain of thought and people do not easily migrate to unusual strains of thought.

There are not spiritual incentives to believing in Templism. However Templism describes a system of spiritual incentives. These are: if you are a virtuous person (meaning, a beautiful person) you will reincarnate as another such person. Templist Canon distinguishes between "legal virtues" and "virtues of opinion". A "legal virtue" is something that is beautiful by virtue of leading to general biological fitness, such as strength, stamina, intelligence etc. A "virtue of opinion" is beautiful by virtue of belonging to someone's ingroup. For example, white, black, Mexican, sailing hobbyist, etc. A person who is virtuous in both ways is reincarnated into a virtuous person in both ways. Thus they incarnate into a being of similar fitness and the same tribe.

Templist Canon says that there are other ways to "live again", as well. Like sexual reproduction, memorialization, and that all of these lives are lived again in the eternal recurrence (although belief in this is optional for the Templist). It describes practices that can assist one in having these types of afterlives. Insofar as Templism is regarded to be wise, that is the extent that it assists with these afterlives. It is not otherwise a prerequisite. There are "ethical laws", commanded by the gods, that one must follow or else the gods will manipulate one's reincarnation afterlife unfavorably. Most of them concern showing respect to the gods, breeding well (not miscegenating), and one of them says to "respect and not misrepresent the Canon", but otherwise there are none that mandate Templist belief. There is in fact a passage that states something to the effect of, "Templists are not uniquely virtuous and many of them will probably be unvirtuous".

There are other passages that describe the divine powers given to someone who is a Templist. These are contemporary benefits, rather than afterlife benefits. TC says that a Templist has greater access to the gods. His prayers are more likely to be heard. He becomes better at magic. He experiences increased health and other corporeal benefits. The idea is that Templism is not a moral requirement, only a tool of the gods, and thus the incentives are all practical incentives rather than moral. The moral incentives are merely spoken about by TC but not requiring Templism per se.

To go back to the subject of what the average person can believe: the idea is that the average person, bombarded with propaganda over a long enough time span, can believe anything. Jews literally cut their dicks off. You can convince NPCs to do whatever, because they are conscious only of social things and not real things. So the idea is that Templism, once it is established by its high IQ "vanguard", will be pumped into the ears and eyes of every fucking idiot, such as the droning idiots on here who criticize Templism by wailing like women and invoking vague emotive ideas.

[Gorgias]

I understand what Graalchud is saying, but the truth of Templism alone is not reason enough to be a Templist. I could create a doctrine where I list the different colors associated with tropical species of birds, no one would care.

To drive more toward the purpose of what I was trying to ask concerning the purpose of Templism. Say a hundred people who read the Templist canon are in complete agreement and become "Templists." What then? What's the substantive difference of agreeing with Templism and becoming a Templist. Can I join a community of Templists? Will I be able to meet a young Templist girl? If I convert my wife to Templism is she more likely to subject herself to me? Is Templism likely to grow the power of my country?

The_Author I see you listed some benefits of Templism, but they seem very lofty unlike some of your other ideas. The thing is this: If there was something like your religion that offered so little as a social club of white supremacists who were intelligent enough to understand the truths you state, I would join in a heartbeat merely for the social aspect, and pay respects to any gods or take part in any rituals you would ask for. There has to be some material pull to your religion specifically, or else why bother with it?

[The_Author]

I understand what Graalchud is saying, but the truth of Templism alone is not reason enough to be a Templist. I could create a doctrine where I list the different colors associated with tropical species of birds, no one would care.

To drive more toward the purpose of what I was trying to ask concerning the purpose of Templism. Say a hundred people who read the Templist canon are in complete agreement and become "Templists." What then? What's the substantive difference of agreeing with Templism and becoming a Templist. Can I join a community of Templists? Will I be able to meet a young Templist girl? If I convert my wife to Templism is she more likely to subject herself to me? Is Templism likely to grow the power of my country?

The_Author I see you listed some benefits of Templism, but they seem very lofty unlike some of your other ideas. The thing is this: If there was something like your religion that offered so little as a social club of white supremacists who were intelligent enough to understand the truths you state, I would join in a heartbeat merely for the social aspect, and pay respects to any gods or take part in any rituals you would ask for. There has to be some material pull to your religion specifically, or else why bother with it?

Yes. This is talked about in the Canon. It is actually a central point of the Canon, and the reason why the religion is called "Templism". The idea is to create Templist institutions: temples. The text hints at the fact that religions fall when their institutions do. Wotan, for example, is said to have been able to institute his Christian lie by inventing an urban franchise model of church organization, as the rural autonomous system of pagan temples was not working in the late Empire. The Christian church is now failing and nobody gives a shit about it. Especially "our guys" so to speak, they have nothing to gain from church.

That is why Templism requires certain things of a "Templist". It is not enough to simply believe. You have to read, understand, and initiate yourself by ordeals. This process of selection creates a loose organization, or subculture, that can then create temples or whatever other Templist organizations. The regulations for temple organization are described, and they are not rigorous in themselves. They are basically a return to the autonomous model, as the factors of modernity (ease of communication, ability to fund anything anywhere) have rendered the franchise model obsolete. It thrived in non-technological urban periods of history, when urban churches needed to be able to support failing rural churches in exchange for power over them. That dynamic is no longer relevant, in fact physical proximity is not strictly required to create a temple.

[Gorgias]

I appreciate that, though (not to sound like a fed) I think physical proximity is important. I've been in these spheres for years but none of it feels very real because it's all online. This would seem especially true if you're looking to foster religious devotion.

[The_Author]

I appreciate that, though (not to sound like a fed) I think physical proximity is important. I've been in these spheres for years but none of it feels very real because it's all online. This would seem especially true if you're looking to foster religious devotion.

This is true and "Templist Canon says this". But speaking non-canonically I do not think we are "there yet". The only thing that can actually happen is PSYOP, nothing more. People are not sufficiently convinced, there are not enough Templists, a group of like four guys is not going to do anything.

The most realistic temple, at this point, would be a hierarchical group of online guys who focus on PSYOPing people into Templism. While worshiping the gods of course. Temples are hierarchical by nature. They require a chief priest who can basically do whatever he wants with the organization. A hierarchical structure allows you to run elaborate and large scale missions.

Of course, you would have to initiate yourself first.

[Guest]

I think maybe if you were to re-propose Templism as an ancient esoteric cult that has only been recovered by you @The_Author and through your modern translations of the ancient tomes were to uncover and transcendental truth that it could work.

I make whatever idiotic claims are necessary for those of idiotic-nature to believe me, to accept Templism for reasons other than its evident truth and utility. Yes, I discovered Templism whilst on a trip through a German forest, where many Roman soldiers fell. I found a cave, and in that cave I found the runes:

ᛖᚲ ᛏᚱᛖᚹᚹᛟ ᛖᚲ ᚺᛖᚺᚨᚾᚺ ᚨᚾᚨ ᚦᚨᛗᛗᚨᛁ ᚹᛁᚾᛞᛁᚷᚨᛗᛗᚨᛁ ᛏᚱᛖᚹᚨᛁ ᚾᛖᚹᚢᚾ ᚺᚨᛁᛚᛟ ᛞᚨᚷᛟᛉ ᛃᚨᚺᚹ ᚾᚨᚺᛏᛁᛉ, ᛒᚢᚱᛟᚦᚨᛉ ᛗᛁᚦᛁ ᛊᛈᛖᚱᚢ, ᛒᛚᛟᛏᚨᚾᚨᛉ ᚹᛟᚦᚨᚾᚨᛁ, ᛗᛁᚾᚨᛉ ᛊᛖᛚᛒᚨᛉ ᛏᛟ ᛗᛁᚾᚨᚾᛟ ᚨᛁᚷᚨᚾᚨᚾᛟ ᛊᛖᛚᛒᚨᚾᛟ ᚷᛖᛒᚨᚾᚨᛉ, ᚺᚨᚢᚺᚨᛉ ᚨᚾᚨ ᚦᚨᛗᛗᚨᛁ ᛏᚱᛖᚹᚨᛁ ᚺᚹᛖᛊ ᚾᚨᛁᚾᚨᛁ ᚺᚨᚢᛉᛁᛞᛖᛞᚢᚾ ᚠᚱᚨᛗ ᚺᚹᛁᛚᛁᚲᚨᛁᛗᚨᛉ ᚹᚢᚱᛏᚢᛗᚨᛉ ᛁᛏ ᚱᛁᛊᛁᚦᛁ ᛏᛟ ᚺᛁᛗᛁᚾᚨᚾᛟ. ᚾᚨᛁᚾᚨᛁ ᚠᚱᛟᛒᚱᛁᛞᛖᛞᚢᚾ ᛗᛖᚲ ᛁᚾ ᚠᛖᚱᚺᚹᚨᛁ ᛗᛁᚦᛁ ᚠᛟᚦᛁᛗᛁᛉ ᛖᚠᚦᚨᚢ ᛞᚱᚨᚾᚲᛁᛗᛁᛉ ᛖᚲ ᛊᚨᚺᚹ ᚾᛁᚦᛖᚱ ᛁᚾ ᛞᛁᚢᛈᛁᚾᛁ; ᚹᚨᛁᚾᛟᚾᛞᛉ ᚺᛚᚢᛞᛟ ᛖᚲ ᛚᚢᚠᛏᛁᚦᛟ ᚦᛟᛉ ᚱᚢᚾᛟᛉ ᚦᚨᚾ ᛏᛟ ᛒᚨᚲᚨ ᛖᚲ ᚠᛖᚠᚨᛚᛚ ᚦᚨᚾᚨᚾᚨ ᚾᛖᚹᚢᚾ ᛗᚨᚺᛏᛁᚷᛟ ᛚᛖᚢᚦᛟ ᛖᚲ ᛚᚨᛁᛉᛁᚦᛟ ᚠᚱᚨᛗ ᚦᚨᛗᛗᚨᛁ ᛗᛁᚲᛁᛚᛁᚾᛁ ᛊᚢᚾᛁᚹᛁ ᛒᚨᛚᚹᚨᛊ-ᚦᚢᚱᚾᚨᚢᛉ, ᛒᛖᛊᛏᛚᛟᚾᛁᛉ ᚹᚨᚱᛞᚢᛉ; ᛖᚲ ᛞᚱᚨᚾᚲᚹ ᛗᛖᛏᛟ ᛗᛖᚦᚨᚢᛉ ᚹᚢᚾᛞᚱᚨᛊ, ᛗᛁᚦᛁ ᛊᚨᛁᚹᚨᛚᛟᛊᛏᚢᚱᚨᚱᛁᛃᚨᛊ ᛞᚱᚢᛈᚨᛗᛗᛁᛉ ᛖᚲ ᚹᚨᛊᚲᚨᚾᚨᛉ ᚹᚨᛊ. ᚨᛁᚱᛁᛉ ᛖᚲ ᛒᚨᚱ ᚹᚨᛊᛏᛗᚨᚾᛉ, ᛃᚨᚺᚹ ᚦᚱᚨᛒ ᛒᚨᛏᛁᛊᛏ, ᛖᚲ ᚹᛟᚺᛊ ᛁᚾ ᚹᛁᛊᛞᛟᛗᚨᛁ; ᚹᚢᚱᛞᚨ ᚠᚢᛚᚷᚨᚾᛞᛟ ᚹᚢᚱᛞᚨ, ᛖᚲ ᚠᚨᚾᛞ ᛗᛁᛉ ᚹᚢᚱᛞᛟ, ᛞᛖᛞᛁᛉ ᚠᚢᛚᚷᚨᚾᛞᛟ ᛞᛖᛞᛁ, ᛖᚲ ᚹᚢᚱᚺᛏᛟ ᛞᛖᛞᛁᚾᛉ. ᛊᚢᛗᚨᛉ ᛃᚢ ᚦᚨᛏ ᚠᚱᚨᛗᛁᛞᚨ

And as I saw those runes, they began to glow, and to jump out at me, like the shout-runes that one can acquire in Skyrim. And suddenly I heard, and I knew, the truth, the great truth, known for all ages. THIS was the place where Germanic priests learned their wisdom, THIS was the Source of the Germanic tradition. And through that Germanic tradition, an awakening of all Europe, of the other gods, of the European soul.

Or if you're not stupid, ancientness has nothing to do with truth. The gods can speak through prophets just as well in 2023 as in 20 as in 300 BC, because they are immortal, and that which they speak is wise and useful, and appropriate to the time period in which it is spoken, not invariably a LARP that follows a "religion archetype" or whatever. In this case, not a "religion LARP" that is appropriate to a lesser kind of person, who cannot actually reason based upon the propositions of the doctrine.

Ermm you counter-signaled lolis so I don't support you anymore.

[ꦈꦒꦲꦸꦫꦲꦺꦴꦗ꦳ꦲ]

I make whatever idiotic claims are necessary for those of idiotic-nature to believe me, to accept Templism for reasons other than its evident truth and utility. Yes, I discovered Templism whilst on a trip through a German forest, where many Roman soldiers fell. I found a cave, and in that cave I found the runes:

ᛖᚲ ᛏᚱᛖᚹᚹᛟ ᛖᚲ ᚺᛖᚺᚨᚾᚺ ᚨᚾᚨ ᚦᚨᛗᛗᚨᛁ ᚹᛁᚾᛞᛁᚷᚨᛗᛗᚨᛁ ᛏᚱᛖᚹᚨᛁ ᚾᛖᚹᚢᚾ ᚺᚨᛁᛚᛟ ᛞᚨᚷᛟᛉ ᛃᚨᚺᚹ ᚾᚨᚺᛏᛁᛉ, ᛒᚢᚱᛟᚦᚨᛉ ᛗᛁᚦᛁ ᛊᛈᛖᚱᚢ, ᛒᛚᛟᛏᚨᚾᚨᛉ ᚹᛟᚦᚨᚾᚨᛁ, ᛗᛁᚾᚨᛉ ᛊᛖᛚᛒᚨᛉ ᛏᛟ ᛗᛁᚾᚨᚾᛟ ᚨᛁᚷᚨᚾᚨᚾᛟ ᛊᛖᛚᛒᚨᚾᛟ ᚷᛖᛒᚨᚾᚨᛉ, ᚺᚨᚢᚺᚨᛉ ᚨᚾᚨ ᚦᚨᛗᛗᚨᛁ ᛏᚱᛖᚹᚨᛁ ᚺᚹᛖᛊ ᚾᚨᛁᚾᚨᛁ ᚺᚨᚢᛉᛁᛞᛖᛞᚢᚾ ᚠᚱᚨᛗ ᚺᚹᛁᛚᛁᚲᚨᛁᛗᚨᛉ ᚹᚢᚱᛏᚢᛗᚨᛉ ᛁᛏ ᚱᛁᛊᛁᚦᛁ ᛏᛟ ᚺᛁᛗᛁᚾᚨᚾᛟ. ᚾᚨᛁᚾᚨᛁ ᚠᚱᛟᛒᚱᛁᛞᛖᛞᚢᚾ ᛗᛖᚲ ᛁᚾ ᚠᛖᚱᚺᚹᚨᛁ ᛗᛁᚦᛁ ᚠᛟᚦᛁᛗᛁᛉ ᛖᚠᚦᚨᚢ ᛞᚱᚨᚾᚲᛁᛗᛁᛉ ᛖᚲ ᛊᚨᚺᚹ ᚾᛁᚦᛖᚱ ᛁᚾ ᛞᛁᚢᛈᛁᚾᛁ; ᚹᚨᛁᚾᛟᚾᛞᛉ ᚺᛚᚢᛞᛟ ᛖᚲ ᛚᚢᚠᛏᛁᚦᛟ ᚦᛟᛉ ᚱᚢᚾᛟᛉ ᚦᚨᚾ ᛏᛟ ᛒᚨᚲᚨ ᛖᚲ ᚠᛖᚠᚨᛚᛚ ᚦᚨᚾᚨᚾᚨ ᚾᛖᚹᚢᚾ ᛗᚨᚺᛏᛁᚷᛟ ᛚᛖᚢᚦᛟ ᛖᚲ ᛚᚨᛁᛉᛁᚦᛟ ᚠᚱᚨᛗ ᚦᚨᛗᛗᚨᛁ ᛗᛁᚲᛁᛚᛁᚾᛁ ᛊᚢᚾᛁᚹᛁ ᛒᚨᛚᚹᚨᛊ-ᚦᚢᚱᚾᚨᚢᛉ, ᛒᛖᛊᛏᛚᛟᚾᛁᛉ ᚹᚨᚱᛞᚢᛉ; ᛖᚲ ᛞᚱᚨᚾᚲᚹ ᛗᛖᛏᛟ ᛗᛖᚦᚨᚢᛉ ᚹᚢᚾᛞᚱᚨᛊ, ᛗᛁᚦᛁ ᛊᚨᛁᚹᚨᛚᛟᛊᛏᚢᚱᚨᚱᛁᛃᚨᛊ ᛞᚱᚢᛈᚨᛗᛗᛁᛉ ᛖᚲ ᚹᚨᛊᚲᚨᚾᚨᛉ ᚹᚨᛊ. ᚨᛁᚱᛁᛉ ᛖᚲ ᛒᚨᚱ ᚹᚨᛊᛏᛗᚨᚾᛉ, ᛃᚨᚺᚹ ᚦᚱᚨᛒ ᛒᚨᛏᛁᛊᛏ, ᛖᚲ ᚹᛟᚺᛊ ᛁᚾ ᚹᛁᛊᛞᛟᛗᚨᛁ; ᚹᚢᚱᛞᚨ ᚠᚢᛚᚷᚨᚾᛞᛟ ᚹᚢᚱᛞᚨ, ᛖᚲ ᚠᚨᚾᛞ ᛗᛁᛉ ᚹᚢᚱᛞᛟ, ᛞᛖᛞᛁᛉ ᚠᚢᛚᚷᚨᚾᛞᛟ ᛞᛖᛞᛁ, ᛖᚲ ᚹᚢᚱᚺᛏᛟ ᛞᛖᛞᛁᚾᛉ. ᛊᚢᛗᚨᛉ ᛃᚢ ᚦᚨᛏ ᚠᚱᚨᛗᛁᛞᚨ

And as I saw those runes, they began to glow, and to jump out at me, like the shout-runes that one can acquire in Skyrim. And suddenly I heard, and I knew, the truth, the great truth, known for all ages. THIS was the place where Germanic priests learned their wisdom, THIS was the Source of the Germanic tradition. And through that Germanic tradition, an awakening of all Europe, of the other gods, of the European soul.

Templist Canon is fine and all, but you know how like Zoroastrianism and everything else that also existed is now literally extinct?
There is a reason for that.

It was never about preaching good ideals or morals. It has always been about adapting to modern desires.
Christianity rose when Romans were so degenerate that they adopted a religion to make it so a guy can't have 20 wives and be a piece of shit.
Christians were just Muslims for the Romans.
Just likes Muslims are fucking up western society TODAY.

You want to act like people are something of reason, something you can just say, "Actually templenigger canon is the future" and not be rebutted by "yeah but communism would be paradise if we tried it."

I'm no atheist, but you've played too much Skyrim to think you can just "make" religion happen. Religion starts as a cult, and then if you fuck over the government enough it becomes an official religion. You don't seem like you want to make a cult, so flat earthers are already ahead of you.

You seem like you want to go play Skyrim.

[GraalChud]

I make whatever idiotic claims are necessary for those of idiotic-nature to believe me, to accept Templism for reasons other than its evident truth and utility. Yes, I discovered Templism whilst on a trip through a German forest, where many Roman soldiers fell. I found a cave, and in that cave I found the runes:

ᛖᚲ ᛏᚱᛖᚹᚹᛟ ᛖᚲ ᚺᛖᚺᚨᚾᚺ ᚨᚾᚨ ᚦᚨᛗᛗᚨᛁ ᚹᛁᚾᛞᛁᚷᚨᛗᛗᚨᛁ ᛏᚱᛖᚹᚨᛁ ᚾᛖᚹᚢᚾ ᚺᚨᛁᛚᛟ ᛞᚨᚷᛟᛉ ᛃᚨᚺᚹ ᚾᚨᚺᛏᛁᛉ, ᛒᚢᚱᛟᚦᚨᛉ ᛗᛁᚦᛁ ᛊᛈᛖᚱᚢ, ᛒᛚᛟᛏᚨᚾᚨᛉ ᚹᛟᚦᚨᚾᚨᛁ, ᛗᛁᚾᚨᛉ ᛊᛖᛚᛒᚨᛉ ᛏᛟ ᛗᛁᚾᚨᚾᛟ ᚨᛁᚷᚨᚾᚨᚾᛟ ᛊᛖᛚᛒᚨᚾᛟ ᚷᛖᛒᚨᚾᚨᛉ, ᚺᚨᚢᚺᚨᛉ ᚨᚾᚨ ᚦᚨᛗᛗᚨᛁ ᛏᚱᛖᚹᚨᛁ ᚺᚹᛖᛊ ᚾᚨᛁᚾᚨᛁ ᚺᚨᚢᛉᛁᛞᛖᛞᚢᚾ ᚠᚱᚨᛗ ᚺᚹᛁᛚᛁᚲᚨᛁᛗᚨᛉ ᚹᚢᚱᛏᚢᛗᚨᛉ ᛁᛏ ᚱᛁᛊᛁᚦᛁ ᛏᛟ ᚺᛁᛗᛁᚾᚨᚾᛟ. ᚾᚨᛁᚾᚨᛁ ᚠᚱᛟᛒᚱᛁᛞᛖᛞᚢᚾ ᛗᛖᚲ ᛁᚾ ᚠᛖᚱᚺᚹᚨᛁ ᛗᛁᚦᛁ ᚠᛟᚦᛁᛗᛁᛉ ᛖᚠᚦᚨᚢ ᛞᚱᚨᚾᚲᛁᛗᛁᛉ ᛖᚲ ᛊᚨᚺᚹ ᚾᛁᚦᛖᚱ ᛁᚾ ᛞᛁᚢᛈᛁᚾᛁ; ᚹᚨᛁᚾᛟᚾᛞᛉ ᚺᛚᚢᛞᛟ ᛖᚲ ᛚᚢᚠᛏᛁᚦᛟ ᚦᛟᛉ ᚱᚢᚾᛟᛉ ᚦᚨᚾ ᛏᛟ ᛒᚨᚲᚨ ᛖᚲ ᚠᛖᚠᚨᛚᛚ ᚦᚨᚾᚨᚾᚨ ᚾᛖᚹᚢᚾ ᛗᚨᚺᛏᛁᚷᛟ ᛚᛖᚢᚦᛟ ᛖᚲ ᛚᚨᛁᛉᛁᚦᛟ ᚠᚱᚨᛗ ᚦᚨᛗᛗᚨᛁ ᛗᛁᚲᛁᛚᛁᚾᛁ ᛊᚢᚾᛁᚹᛁ ᛒᚨᛚᚹᚨᛊ-ᚦᚢᚱᚾᚨᚢᛉ, ᛒᛖᛊᛏᛚᛟᚾᛁᛉ ᚹᚨᚱᛞᚢᛉ; ᛖᚲ ᛞᚱᚨᚾᚲᚹ ᛗᛖᛏᛟ ᛗᛖᚦᚨᚢᛉ ᚹᚢᚾᛞᚱᚨᛊ, ᛗᛁᚦᛁ ᛊᚨᛁᚹᚨᛚᛟᛊᛏᚢᚱᚨᚱᛁᛃᚨᛊ ᛞᚱᚢᛈᚨᛗᛗᛁᛉ ᛖᚲ ᚹᚨᛊᚲᚨᚾᚨᛉ ᚹᚨᛊ. ᚨᛁᚱᛁᛉ ᛖᚲ ᛒᚨᚱ ᚹᚨᛊᛏᛗᚨᚾᛉ, ᛃᚨᚺᚹ ᚦᚱᚨᛒ ᛒᚨᛏᛁᛊᛏ, ᛖᚲ ᚹᛟᚺᛊ ᛁᚾ ᚹᛁᛊᛞᛟᛗᚨᛁ; ᚹᚢᚱᛞᚨ ᚠᚢᛚᚷᚨᚾᛞᛟ ᚹᚢᚱᛞᚨ, ᛖᚲ ᚠᚨᚾᛞ ᛗᛁᛉ ᚹᚢᚱᛞᛟ, ᛞᛖᛞᛁᛉ ᚠᚢᛚᚷᚨᚾᛞᛟ ᛞᛖᛞᛁ, ᛖᚲ ᚹᚢᚱᚺᛏᛟ ᛞᛖᛞᛁᚾᛉ. ᛊᚢᛗᚨᛉ ᛃᚢ ᚦᚨᛏ ᚠᚱᚨᛗᛁᛞᚨ

And as I saw those runes, they began to glow, and to jump out at me, like the shout-runes that one can acquire in Skyrim. And suddenly I heard, and I knew, the truth, the great truth, known for all ages. THIS was the place where Germanic priests learned their wisdom, THIS was the Source of the Germanic tradition. And through that Germanic tradition, an awakening of all Europe, of the other gods, of the European soul.

Templist Canon is fine and all, but you know how like Zoroastrianism and everything else that also existed is now literally extinct?
There is a reason for that.

It was never about preaching good ideals or morals. It has always been about adapting to modern desires.
Christianity rose when Romans were so degenerate that they adopted a religion to make it so a guy can't have 20 wives and be a piece of shit.
Christians were just Muslims for the Romans.
Just likes Muslims are fucking up western society TODAY.

Not going to deny that some of Christianity`s appeal was that it seemed more "moral" to many people, but that analysis is incomplete and doesn`t suffice to explain Christianity`s meteoric rise in the empire. You`ve got to keep in mind that Christians were not trying to change society from the top down (Edward Watts and Ramsay MacMullen both talk about this, a Christian empire was almost unimaginable and was not really the main "goal" of the Church), especially not really early on, so to ascribe a motive to them that indicates that they wanted to use their religion and Church/state power to bind non-Christians who lived decadently and immorally to a strict moral code makes little sense. Conversion was largely an individual thing, with people being more concerned with how Christianity related to them personally and how they could benefit from conversion. The explanation you gave would probably be more true of the empire after it was controlled by Christians, as it was after Constantine that we really began to see the law being used to "force" conversion/make the practice of "decadent" paganism exceptionally difficult (see Theodosius, Justinian, etc.)

Christianity really began peaking when the empire was decaying and there was uncertainty about Rome`s future. To many people, Christian apocalypticism (which was closer to the forefront of Christianity back then than it is now) made sense - there was an atmosphere of impending doom after the Crisis of the Third century and subsequent waves of barbarian invasions that caused many to feel as though the world might really end. In their eyes, if Rome - the eternal empire - was going to fall, the world might as well be ending (either literally or figuratively). Christianity offered people assurance that even if this were true, it wouldn`t matter: though a Christian might fall in battle, be killed when Rome is sacked by Vandals or Goths, die of disease or starvation, or fall victim to some other terrible fate, they will have eternal life. This is something that Traditional Roman religion did not offer at all and that few other cults offered, and those that did offer any kind of salvation often required a lengthy or intense initiation process and/or posited that the afterlife was not something in which an individual would retain their consciousness, instead holding that one might simply "become one" with God. It is easy to see why the Christian conception of the afterlife/eternal life might be appealing to a normal person. Also, Christianity had a unique strategy to win people over: it created a set of problems (original sin, sin in general, the imminent end of the world, and eternal damnation) that were easy to believe in, then offered solutions to them (conversion, the sacraments, salvation, and eternal life in Christ). Traditional Roman religion did not do this, there were few "existential problems" it concerned itself with, and thus it didn`t have "answers" to the problems that a massive empire plagued by war, disease, anomie, and general civilizational decline was facing.

Furthermore, the idea of spiritual equality was appealing to people, especially slaves, women, and plebs. The notion that they would be equal to or even held in higher regard their worldly superiors in Heaven if they lived a certain way was unquestionably something that attracted people to the faith early on. There is a reason why the early Christian movement was not dominated by the educated and elite, but rather the rabble of Rome (with some exceptions, of course). Christians also far outcompeted pagans when it came to "outreach", as they gave alms and cared for the poor, the sick, etc., even going as far as to have spiritual healers running around allegedly healing people, which would make healed individuals and their families feel indebted to these men and bolster their faith in Christ. This is something that Traditional Roman religion and the cults derived therefrom also lacked (though some cults did try to do these sorts of things to draw people in), which made it less appealing.

Lastly, we must account for material incentives for conversion in the post-Constantine empire, which I`ve discussed elsewhere. Sure, there are other factors that drove conversion, but I`ve listed most, if not all, of the major ones here (can`t help but wonder if my "failure" to include "people read the Gospels/heard the Good News preached, recognized it as truth, and immediately converted" as a major factor will get under any readers` skin, but we will cross that bridge when/if we come there).

To tie this back to Templism, it seems that Templism is very much like Traditional Roman religion in regard to how it presents its truths - these truths simply are, and one can choose to believe or not believe in them - as we`ve established earlier.

[Guest]

Nigger you are insane and need to take meds

[Lutras]

You countersignal anime faggot fuck you and die

[Svevlad]

"Controversy is often necessary for success"

[cats]

You could have avoided a whole lot of wasted time had you simply read Evola.

"Controversy is often necessary for success"

Who on earth are you quoting?

[The_Author]

You could have avoided a whole lot of wasted time had you simply read Evola.

You would need a waste a bit of your time to figure out that I don't have jack shit to do with Evola and hate every continental word spewer like him.

[cats]

Indeed, you don't have "jack shit" to do with Evola, and that is precisely the problem. We live in the Kali Yuga. The sacrificial smoke and prayers will all go unanswered. Forming a "religion" like this is putting the cart before the horse.

What's a "continental word spewer"? A European philosopher? Evola is actually a very concise writer.