Templism: A New European Paganism

[The_Author]

Then I will believe it when I see it. I await the successes of Templism, but I won't hold my breath. Prove me wrong through action, not through typing at me like Coldsteel the Hedgehog.

After all that crowing about "indomitable spirit", you tell me that you shall wait for me to hand you something that is ALREADY successful. Fine.

YWNBAV (You Will Never Be A Vanguard)

[Guest]

Show us one adherent then

[BillyONare]

Templism is what happens when you take an engineering mindset to the religion problem. BASED.

It is inspired by The Prophet Jim. You could say everyone on Jim's Blog is a Templist.

[Guest]

I am an adherent. I have the freedom to initiate myself and believe, not to believe because someone else claims I have been initiated by their standards.

There is a true freedom in the fact that templists must take responsibility for themselves. The gods dont want servants, they want true men and women who can take the lives and spiritual destinies in their on hands as a feat of mental and physical strength and faith.

[The_Author]

Templism is what happens when you take an engineering mindset to the religion problem. BASED.

There is a story in the Templist Canon called The Aryan Mythos. TL;DR, it goes like this:

The Aryans worship natural forces. The priests are masters of these forces.

There is an opportunity to conquer Europe. The priests, who hold authority over the disparate clans, demand to be installed as rulers of any such territories that the Aryans conquer. This is ostensibly for the purpose of ensuring that the Aryan priestly class receives its necessary tithes. This is justified using "mystical" arguments. The priests are powerful, without them the Aryans are helpless before nature, they will destroy them with their magic if they disobey, etc.

This makes conquest unprofitable for many clans. Not enough reward for the risk. The whole project becomes unfeasible because of these haughty mystics.

Then, a character named "Proving Bull" comes along. He, you see, has a revelation. The Aryans do NOT need the priests, because the natural forces are GODS. They are represented by IMMORTAL ETHEREAL PRIESTS. By SKY FATHER, STRIKER, etc. The TEMPORAL PRIESTHOOD is IRRELEVANT. The WARRIORS can appeal DIRECTLY to the GODS.

A great battle follows, in which the warriors fight the priests and their minions. Naturally, the warriors win. The decentralized system that follows allows each clan to benefit from the products of its labor. Hence, the conquest goes ahead.

[Guest]

I am a Templist. It just makes sense.

[Verl]

I am a Templist. It just makes sense.

[anthony]

I just observed an interesting back and forth on religion between a japanese and an egyptian. I believe that Japanese religiosity should be given a serious look by anybody interested in what to do about the religion question to make it work in the modern day. More and more I'm getting the impression the Japanese are the last true pagans.

I think that if anybody today can talk to you about religion in a fashion that resembles a pre-abrahamism Roman, it's probably a Japanese person. I think there's a similar notion there that the "religious" is basically just what is most deeply important and serious to us. No teleology, legalistic processing of the soul, etc. The impression I get observing new pagans or pagan revival attempts is that due to abrahamist conceptual poisoning too much is made of incidentals while the essence is lost. The religion of Mars is not about Mars, it's about what inspired his creation. If you live for that you're doing it.

Taking a quote from the Japanese friend without permission. Hope he doesn't mind.

What do you think the Transcendental purpose of Shinto is? I have made it clear like a million times there basically is no notion of the afterlife beyond a realm of the Ancestors, its goals are almost purely material and is mostly focused on cultivating good values in life and respect for the past

I've been very interested in Roman Catholicism in the past, but if I'm honest with myself, I wanted it to be European Shinto and was ultimately disappointed on that. More just general thoughts on religion here, I still don't really know Templism very well, but I'm interested in what this thread makes of the line of thinking.

[woowooboi]

I read Templist Canon a few months ago. What striked me the most is the lurking power beneath the words. I find it interesting to read comments on its lack of spirit. It is full of spirit, and I think the Author toned it down a bit deliberately. Give TC your mind's attention, and this trait should be palpable.

I do not agree with all of the propositions in the TC, but I am very convinced that this is a true religion. I'm willing to be a Templist just because I sense the lurking power between the words.

[Verl]

I had a vision while meditating. When I usually meditate, as I go in deeper I get spooked and then open my eyes, but this time I purposefully tried to push through. Eventually I had a vision of some sort of sky father figure in a light coloured void, with long flowing white hair and a beard, although it was not long but akin to the beard that Jesus is depicted with, only white. He was old but at the same time he did not show any great aging in his appearance. He wore a wreath of flowers around his forehead, with a multitude of colours although the only one I can remember for sure was pink. May have been green, white and pink flowers. Or maybe the pink was red. He wore a tan coloured tunic, only interrupted by a long thin line of brown going down from top to bottom, in the same way suspenders usually go, however these were obviously interwoven fabrics. All I remember him saying was "Go forth. Go forth."
I stopped meditating a few minutes after, as I had lost him, although I may have had a quick glimpse of him again during the session, but only for a few seconds.
It took me about five to ten minutes to recuperate from it.
I have no idea who that figure might specifically be.

I am normally very rationalist and attack myself always for 'wishful thinking', but this time I felt it in my heart that this was different. The day before I saw a great many crows while out and about, maybe half a dozen. I am quite confident this is connected with the vision.
The only other time I have had these sorts of spiritual moments was a series of events leading up to me meeting my girlfriend, whom I consider a blessing. Thus I don't take these events lightly.

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I just observed an interesting back and forth on religion between a japanese and an egyptian. I believe that Japanese religiosity should be given a serious look by anybody interested in what to do about the religion question to make it work in the modern day. More and more I'm getting the impression the Japanese are the last true pagans.

I think that if anybody today can talk to you about religion in a fashion that resembles a pre-abrahamism Roman, it's probably a Japanese person. I think there's a similar notion there that the "religious" is basically just what is most deeply important and serious to us. No teleology, legalistic processing of the soul, etc. The impression I get observing new pagans or pagan revival attempts is that due to abrahamist conceptual poisoning too much is made of incidentals while the essence is lost. The religion of Mars is not about Mars, it's about what inspired his creation. If you live for that you're doing it.

Taking a quote from the Japanese friend without permission. Hope he doesn't mind.

What do you think the Transcendental purpose of Shinto is? I have made it clear like a million times there basically is no notion of the afterlife beyond a realm of the Ancestors, its goals are almost purely material and is mostly focused on cultivating good values in life and respect for the past

I've been very interested in Roman Catholicism in the past, but if I'm honest with myself, I wanted it to be European Shinto and was ultimately disappointed on that. More just general thoughts on religion here, I still don't really know Templism very well, but I'm interested in what this thread makes of the line of thinking.

I feel you fren. I have been searching for what to "believe in" since I was very young. I've talked to all of the groups: All the sects of Islam and Christianity, Hindus, Buddhists, Neopagans, Neoplatonists, you name it. I keep coming up against what Nietszche saw as, if I am allowed to paraphrase, "cope". Honestly I don't want to esacpe samsara or go to Heaven or whatever. I want to be HERE. I feel no desire for the "perfect afterlife", for I am content here. And I haven't found a single 'faith' that can satisfy me on that regard. Maybe Norse Neopagans may be closest but I don't know, they just don't satisfy me. The problem with Pagan beliefs is the rigid caste system that I find them in. I once asked one whether it is possible to be born in the wrong caste, and he flat out told me "no". Therefore, I am destined for a peasant life, when I know that is where my heart, my telos/thymitikon is pointing. Indeed you find the same rigid legalism in these groups as you do Christianity. And the religions that aren't rigid are still full of cope for "suffering" from what I see.
Funnily enough, what I find closest to what I believe is those Hyperborean/"Aryancore" video edits (I wanted to link some examples but I can't figure out how to attach video files, oh well). I get a very spiritual feeling when I watch them. That, and whatever the people believe in Dark Souls or Diablo. Those vague syncretic "background" religions of Catholicism and European pagan beliefs.
I guess to be put it simply, it's that I want a warrior religion that embraces the whole of Aryan history. But it does not exist.

I have little knowledge of Shintoism. Would love to hear more of your thoughts on it.

[The_Author]

I feel no desire for the "perfect afterlife", for I am content here. And I haven't found a single 'faith' that can satisfy me on that regard.

See Templist Canon -> Commentaries on Nicomachean Ethics -> Stable and Unstable Souls

[Guest]

Wow cultivating good values in life and respecting the past. A true breath of fresh air from the Abrahamic soot clouding modern culture. Thank you for that gem. Faggot.

[anthony]

Wow cultivating good values in life and respecting the past. A true breath of fresh air from the Abrahamic soot clouding modern culture. Thank you for that gem. Faggot.

You need more?

[JohnnyRomero]

I had a vision while meditating. When I usually meditate, as I go in deeper I get spooked and then open my eyes, but this time I purposefully tried to push through. Eventually I had a vision of some sort of sky father figure in a light coloured void, with long flowing white hair and a beard, although it was not long but akin to the beard that Jesus is depicted with, only white. He was old but at the same time he did not show any great aging in his appearance. He wore a wreath of flowers around his forehead, with a multitude of colours although the only one I can remember for sure was pink. May have been green, white and pink flowers. Or maybe the pink was red. He wore a tan coloured tunic, only interrupted by a long thin line of brown going down from top to bottom, in the same way suspenders usually go, however these were obviously interwoven fabrics. All I remember him saying was "Go forth. Go forth."
I stopped meditating a few minutes after, as I had lost him, although I may have had a quick glimpse of him again during the session, but only for a few seconds.
It took me about five to ten minutes to recuperate from it.
I have no idea who that figure might specifically be.

I am normally very rationalist and attack myself always for 'wishful thinking', but this time I felt it in my heart that this was different. The day before I saw a great many crows while out and about, maybe half a dozen. I am quite confident this is connected with the vision.
The only other time I have had these sorts of spiritual moments was a series of events leading up to me meeting my girlfriend, whom I consider a blessing. Thus I don't take these events lightly.

Your vision was REAL and you must free yourself from the iron cage of rationalism and fully embrace it. Augury is very real and insightful and as such the multitude of crows confirms your vision - crows are associated with Odin. You must keep meditating, abandon everything else, pursue this mighty destiny at all costs.

[Verl]

Augury is very real and insightful and as such the multitude of crows confirms your vision - crows are associated with Odin.

Thought ravens were associated with Odin, not crows?

[The_Author]

Thought ravens were associated with Odin, not crows?

Yes, it is ravens with Odin. The crows you saw were...just birds. The vision is another matter. The gods do appear in such visions. The man is described consistently with Odin. Per the Templist Canon: an old man who is healthy and robust looking, not frail, with grey hair (white not a far stretch from this), who always wears a decorative hat of some kind along with practical clothing. If he "looked like Jesus" indeed he is said to have been Jesus.

I also had a dream of Odin which I have described before. In which he appeared like the Aryan Brotherhood dropout named Michael Thompson.

The balance between your "rationalism" and retarded superstition is what I call "phenomenalism" and this is a good example of that. You observe whatever phenomena occur. You did receive a vision of a divine being, that is a direct description of what happened. You did not receive crow-augury. This would not be a direct description of what happened. What happened was you saw some crows.

[Guest]

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as a great conqueror that spoke in elated poetics was a figure made up a century after his supposed appearance to unify several messianic abrahamic movements under a semblance of a state.

If you can read about how the Muslims won every single fight with the Byzantines (using genius tactics and great skills literally every time, just constant overwhelming victories by brown nomads against a civilized empire), look up the sources and see that it's only muslims describing these battles. And still believe in the "Islamic Conquests" then I'm sorry, you might as well be reciting the Shahada this very moment.
There existed this supposedly gigachadian figure that was the peak of human intelligence, strength, spiritualty, beauty, morality. Yet conveniently nobody is allowed to depict him. If you don't find this strange, you might as well believe in wooden doors and concrete walls scratched by human fingernails.

The Talmud was right. Fucking cattle.

[Verlion]

Templism

[Guest]

I think Templism suffers from a Dysteleologic problem and wanted to know if the @The_Author was ever going to address this.

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At least that seems like the main point of contention in the arguments about Templism. It’s never about any of its inherent qualities of beliefs but rather “why”. The only way beliefs can and do supersede this condition is by being ancient and all the participants already have been inaugurated into it’s world view and practices at birth. I think maybe if you were to re-propose Templism as an ancient esoteric cult that has only been recovered by you @The_Author and through your modern translations of the ancient tomes were to uncover and transcendental truth that it could work.

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Actually due to poor foresight and only reading the thread and not looking at your substack(which I just did) is seems that my answer wouldn’t work. Also I guess charisma is also a way to over come this so my “only way” statement is false. But you @The_Author also don’t project enough for a charisma answer to come up so…

[The_Author]

I think maybe if you were to re-propose Templism as an ancient esoteric cult that has only been recovered by you @The_Author and through your modern translations of the ancient tomes were to uncover and transcendental truth that it could work.

I make whatever idiotic claims are necessary for those of idiotic-nature to believe me, to accept Templism for reasons other than its evident truth and utility. Yes, I discovered Templism whilst on a trip through a German forest, where many Roman soldiers fell. I found a cave, and in that cave I found the runes:

ᛖᚲ ᛏᚱᛖᚹᚹᛟ ᛖᚲ ᚺᛖᚺᚨᚾᚺ ᚨᚾᚨ ᚦᚨᛗᛗᚨᛁ ᚹᛁᚾᛞᛁᚷᚨᛗᛗᚨᛁ ᛏᚱᛖᚹᚨᛁ ᚾᛖᚹᚢᚾ ᚺᚨᛁᛚᛟ ᛞᚨᚷᛟᛉ ᛃᚨᚺᚹ ᚾᚨᚺᛏᛁᛉ, ᛒᚢᚱᛟᚦᚨᛉ ᛗᛁᚦᛁ ᛊᛈᛖᚱᚢ, ᛒᛚᛟᛏᚨᚾᚨᛉ ᚹᛟᚦᚨᚾᚨᛁ, ᛗᛁᚾᚨᛉ ᛊᛖᛚᛒᚨᛉ ᛏᛟ ᛗᛁᚾᚨᚾᛟ ᚨᛁᚷᚨᚾᚨᚾᛟ ᛊᛖᛚᛒᚨᚾᛟ ᚷᛖᛒᚨᚾᚨᛉ, ᚺᚨᚢᚺᚨᛉ ᚨᚾᚨ ᚦᚨᛗᛗᚨᛁ ᛏᚱᛖᚹᚨᛁ ᚺᚹᛖᛊ ᚾᚨᛁᚾᚨᛁ ᚺᚨᚢᛉᛁᛞᛖᛞᚢᚾ ᚠᚱᚨᛗ ᚺᚹᛁᛚᛁᚲᚨᛁᛗᚨᛉ ᚹᚢᚱᛏᚢᛗᚨᛉ ᛁᛏ ᚱᛁᛊᛁᚦᛁ ᛏᛟ ᚺᛁᛗᛁᚾᚨᚾᛟ. ᚾᚨᛁᚾᚨᛁ ᚠᚱᛟᛒᚱᛁᛞᛖᛞᚢᚾ ᛗᛖᚲ ᛁᚾ ᚠᛖᚱᚺᚹᚨᛁ ᛗᛁᚦᛁ ᚠᛟᚦᛁᛗᛁᛉ ᛖᚠᚦᚨᚢ ᛞᚱᚨᚾᚲᛁᛗᛁᛉ ᛖᚲ ᛊᚨᚺᚹ ᚾᛁᚦᛖᚱ ᛁᚾ ᛞᛁᚢᛈᛁᚾᛁ; ᚹᚨᛁᚾᛟᚾᛞᛉ ᚺᛚᚢᛞᛟ ᛖᚲ ᛚᚢᚠᛏᛁᚦᛟ ᚦᛟᛉ ᚱᚢᚾᛟᛉ ᚦᚨᚾ ᛏᛟ ᛒᚨᚲᚨ ᛖᚲ ᚠᛖᚠᚨᛚᛚ ᚦᚨᚾᚨᚾᚨ ᚾᛖᚹᚢᚾ ᛗᚨᚺᛏᛁᚷᛟ ᛚᛖᚢᚦᛟ ᛖᚲ ᛚᚨᛁᛉᛁᚦᛟ ᚠᚱᚨᛗ ᚦᚨᛗᛗᚨᛁ ᛗᛁᚲᛁᛚᛁᚾᛁ ᛊᚢᚾᛁᚹᛁ ᛒᚨᛚᚹᚨᛊ-ᚦᚢᚱᚾᚨᚢᛉ, ᛒᛖᛊᛏᛚᛟᚾᛁᛉ ᚹᚨᚱᛞᚢᛉ; ᛖᚲ ᛞᚱᚨᚾᚲᚹ ᛗᛖᛏᛟ ᛗᛖᚦᚨᚢᛉ ᚹᚢᚾᛞᚱᚨᛊ, ᛗᛁᚦᛁ ᛊᚨᛁᚹᚨᛚᛟᛊᛏᚢᚱᚨᚱᛁᛃᚨᛊ ᛞᚱᚢᛈᚨᛗᛗᛁᛉ ᛖᚲ ᚹᚨᛊᚲᚨᚾᚨᛉ ᚹᚨᛊ. ᚨᛁᚱᛁᛉ ᛖᚲ ᛒᚨᚱ ᚹᚨᛊᛏᛗᚨᚾᛉ, ᛃᚨᚺᚹ ᚦᚱᚨᛒ ᛒᚨᛏᛁᛊᛏ, ᛖᚲ ᚹᛟᚺᛊ ᛁᚾ ᚹᛁᛊᛞᛟᛗᚨᛁ; ᚹᚢᚱᛞᚨ ᚠᚢᛚᚷᚨᚾᛞᛟ ᚹᚢᚱᛞᚨ, ᛖᚲ ᚠᚨᚾᛞ ᛗᛁᛉ ᚹᚢᚱᛞᛟ, ᛞᛖᛞᛁᛉ ᚠᚢᛚᚷᚨᚾᛞᛟ ᛞᛖᛞᛁ, ᛖᚲ ᚹᚢᚱᚺᛏᛟ ᛞᛖᛞᛁᚾᛉ. ᛊᚢᛗᚨᛉ ᛃᚢ ᚦᚨᛏ ᚠᚱᚨᛗᛁᛞᚨ

And as I saw those runes, they began to glow, and to jump out at me, like the shout-runes that one can acquire in Skyrim. And suddenly I heard, and I knew, the truth, the great truth, known for all ages. THIS was the place where Germanic priests learned their wisdom, THIS was the Source of the Germanic tradition. And through that Germanic tradition, an awakening of all Europe, of the other gods, of the European soul.

Or if you're not stupid, ancientness has nothing to do with truth. The gods can speak through prophets just as well in 2023 as in 20 as in 300 BC, because they are immortal, and that which they speak is wise and useful, and appropriate to the time period in which it is spoken, not invariably a LARP that follows a "religion archetype" or whatever. In this case, not a "religion LARP" that is appropriate to a lesser kind of person, who cannot actually reason based upon the propositions of the doctrine.