The Death of Siegetardism

[Guest]

Have you not looked at the bottom-left corner of your screen since getting here?

So edgy.

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Sorry to disappoint, but at this point I'm just out of patience. If you want to know about my ideas the sources are basically all out on the open Internet for anyone to find. I was honestly pretty stupid to try and argue, the point of the Internet isn't to learn it's to give you dopamine hits. All I did with my posts was turn myself into another source of mindless dopamine by letting users circlejerk about how coal I am. I'm not really that smart.

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I'll just post some general thoughts on argument I've been running through, after sharing this thread with some people.

So you look back through all my post and somehow arrive at the conclusion that I'm some shapeshifting chameleon? The only stance I changed was on Hitler's rise to power and I did so as a hypothetical to advance the argument. But no obviously, I as a lower class methhead hopped on this forum to stir up shit and try to win some petty feuds. How could you see victory or defeat in such interactions? Like earlier you mentioned that I had lost in the spat with the Twitter fag, citing your personal interpretation of events you don't know about. It's the same type of desperate need for recognition you see everywhere online. But here I am now. Just a humble guest, no flashy username or pfp, no brand to advertise. But yeah I'm here to receive praise, validation, and upvotes. You expect that since I'm here I must be putting on a show, I must be seeking to entertain people. But I've tried to say things honestly from the heart. And that's not popular, not even here. Because nobody wants you to be real, they want you to validate and serve them. On the left these groups form to validate and serve one kind of idea, on the right it's the exact same for a different kind of idea. It would be easy if I was just another NPC, just another one of those blind cattle you must occasionally brush past in your experience of true reality. That's why you tell yourselves these things, without any substantial evidence behind these claims, contrary to your established "positions". It's hilarious because I already know this is going in one ear and out the other. I already know what some of you are thinking. "Where have I heard this guy's tone before, what kind of caricature does he fit into?" Call me the contrarian weirdo if you want. You disagree with me, won't address my arguments, have no interest in what I have to say, and are fundamentally rotten people. Take your victory in this argument and go back to your goon cave.

[Guest]

Just want to bring attention to The American Futurist’s latest piece:
https://americanfuturist.net/to-the-youth/

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And to the Siegeguest, you still have not answered: what is your path to power/victory? If ours is so bad, please share yours.

[anthony]

I'll just post some general thoughts on argument I've been running through, after sharing this thread with some people.

So you look back through all my post and somehow arrive at the conclusion that I'm some shapeshifting chameleon? The only stance I changed was on Hitler's rise to power and I did so as a hypothetical to advance the argument. But no obviously, I as a lower class methhead hopped on this forum to stir up shit and try to win some petty feuds. How could you see victory or defeat in such interactions? Like earlier you mentioned that I had lost in the spat with the Twitter fag, citing your personal interpretation of events you don't know about. It's the same type of desperate need for recognition you see everywhere online. But here I am now. Just a humble guest, no flashy username or pfp, no brand to advertise. But yeah I'm here to receive praise, validation, and upvotes. You expect that since I'm here I must be putting on a show, I must be seeking to entertain people. But I've tried to say things honestly from the heart. And that's not popular, not even here. Because nobody wants you to be real, they want you to validate and serve them. On the left these groups form to validate and serve one kind of idea, on the right it's the exact same for a different kind of idea. It would be easy if I was just another NPC, just another one of those blind cattle you must occasionally brush past in your experience of true reality. That's why you tell yourselves these things, without any substantial evidence behind these claims, contrary to your established "positions". It's hilarious because I already know this is going in one ear and out the other. I already know what some of you are thinking. "Where have I heard this guy's tone before, what kind of caricature does he fit into?" Call me the contrarian weirdo if you want. You disagree with me, won't address my arguments, have no interest in what I have to say, and are fundamentally rotten people. Take your victory in this argument and go back to your goon cave.

No you imbecile. I have concluded that you are an imbecile. Chameleon suggests innate intelligence and deliberation (I am aware chameleon's react unconsciously to basic stimuli but as popularly used "chameleon" means otherwise). My entire post was about suggesting the opposite. One can't talk intelligently with someone who is too dumb to even maintain a stable thought to be addressed. It's like trying to box with someone who can't even stand on their feet but still insists upon entering the ring and wasting your time. One cannot land a legitimate hit, but you are free to drag yourself around on your hands and knees headbutting everybody's shins and calling yourself a fighter.

Again, just like your first post, nobody has said or done any of the things you claim to be reacting to. You might be dragging your vision across our posts, but you aren't seeing them. The best sense one can make of this is that you want simple, familiar, beatable points you've rehearsed answering in your head and then when you see opposition you apparently just will them into place. Everything you say sounds so utterly artificial I can only figure you rehearse all of this in advance before you've even seen who you're going to argue with online, or you're actually a halfway intelligent person out to waste everybody's time by impersonating a moron.

[BillyONare]

Destiny is pretty high IQ, especially compared to the people who usually argues with/smears. He also obviously does not care about the truth at all. This makes him very good at making fallacious arguments that his audience/opponents are too stupid to untangle. He is also smart enough to walk on the knife edge of being edgy and right wing enough to not get cancelled. So he gets the clout of "I destroy lefties all the time! I'm a based centrist neoliberal!". He can also use honest arguments against leftists to make himself look smarter and more reasonable than he is. He seems to not be married to any particular ideology whether centrist or leftist; he is just a man who is completely dead inside and whose brain is fried by drugs, cynically carving out as much money and influence as he can from his eunuch cult. Although he is a literal cuckold. Maybe self-hatred? I find him to be an interesting character.

No you imbecile. I have concluded that you are an imbecile. Chameleon suggests innate intelligence and deliberation

(sorry i couldn't resist)

[Guest]

I don't know why anyone replied to that guy. He hasn't extended anything in terms of his path to success or anything resembling a "coherent dissident ideology". Counter-signalling participation in ZOG to gain influence (and thus the temporary and ingenuine subversion of one's principles) is fucking delusional unless you're in an incel GC where the main objective is to LDAR, not further or even develop political views and ideas. I found the irony of accusing people of being "edgy larpers" absolutely palpable in the context of defending Siege. I think he's reaching an irony event horizon.

[anthony]

Destiny is pretty high IQ, especially compared to the people who usually argues with/smears. He also obviously does not care about the truth at all. This makes him very good at making fallacious arguments that his audience/opponents are too stupid to untangle. He is also smart enough to walk on the knife edge of being edgy and right wing enough to not get cancelled. So he gets the clout of "I destroy lefties all the time! I'm a based centrist neoliberal!". He can also use honest arguments against leftists to make himself look smarter and more reasonable than he is. He seems to not be married to any particular ideology whether centrist or leftist; he is just a man who is completely dead inside and whose brain is fried by drugs, cynically carving out as much money and influence as he can from his eunuch cult. Although he is a literal cuckold. Maybe self-hatred? I find him to be an interesting character.

I want to say anybody who becomes a cracked out cuckold children's entertainer is a moron, but when you're as much of a gigamanlet as Destiny I guess you have to cope somehow and you take what you can get. And yes he is obviously mentally a cut above most internet talking heads, but the kind of person who gets into that tends to be VERY dumb. In a wasteland of Ethan Ralphs a verbal IQ of 118 makes you king.

[GraphWalkWithMe]

The whole "debate" genre of YouTube vlogging has always been intolerable. I imagine the type of person who makes a habit of listening to this kind of naked ragebait garbage is bound to fly into shrieking tantrums at the literal tilt of a hat (https://youtu.be/Q8AYiN2XbbE).

The psychology of the people producing "debate" YouTube videos is beyond me, they clearly possess hearts of liquid nitrogen.

[Toledo_Keyed]

“The real path to power is voting in local elections and getting in contact with small town community leaders. Are you brave enough for that Chud?”

Nobody here has claimed that. But Siegetardism was one of the most infiltrated Movements in recent history, maybe even more than the Third Klan, they were born like a worm feasting on the corpse of the Alt Right after Charlottesville in 2017, some hyperestimulated 17 year old Retards bought it, and then it was dissolved and refounded and redissolved and rerefounded and reredissolved and so on. Then Manson was imprisoned causing it's ultimate dead thrall.

[Spingebill]

I’ve decided to make a late addition to this thread, as it seems the American Futurist fandom has been getting uppity lately. Specifically, I would like to put to rest the commonly-repeated statement among Siegetards that Active Clubs are a means of deradicalization, and are thus totally ineffective.
I’d like to bring up the National Alliance Bulletin, December 1984.¹ It was written by Dr. William Luther Pierce² commemorating Robert Mathews, an upstanding National Alliance member who died in a gunfight with the FBI. The section of interest goes as follows:

THE TURNER DIARIES, as has been pointed out in the Bulletin a dozen times in the past, is fiction. It is not a secret plan for a White revolution, even if the controlled news media and the FBI claim that it is. … Although the author has a great interest in such matters, he has never overthrown a government, assassinated a public official, or blown up a power station, so he cannot claim expertise in anything beyond the gadgetry of revolution and sabotage.
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Armed opposition to the government certainly is not feasible at this time, nor is it likely to be in the next decade. It is this conviction of infeasibility, not a love for the government or its laws, which is behind the standing Alliance policy of refraining from all illegal activity.
An action-minded young member may find this restriction intolerable. A member of any age may look at what the enemies of his race are doing and become so filled with rage that he cannot hold himself back from striking out at them. … The average member who yields to the temptation to take up arms against his race’s oppressors cannot count on becoming an honored martyr like Mathews. A much more likely fate for him is to spend long years, unremembered, in the hellish nightmare of a racially integrated Federal prison.
Finally, for those who absolutely are determined to go beyond the Alliance’s approved actions … here is a little advice: keep it legal.
There is no overwhelming need to accumulate machine guns and hand grenades, when there are so many excellent semiautomatic assault rifles available. A member who must have a machine gun should acquire it legally by paying the required Federal transfer tax.
And there are many activities for guerilla trainees to engage in without putting themselves into legal jeopardy: physical conditioning, marksmanship, ideological training, first aid, map reading, unarmed combat, etc. There are secure communications techniques to be devised and learned. There are a hundred vital questions to be answered: What are the criteria to be used in selecting recruits? How does one detect an infiltrator? How should various emergency situations be handled? Tentative answers should be found to all such questions, and then the answers should be put to the test in realistic simulations.

As it stands, the Active Club system in America and Europe fulfills that exact thing. For example, Patriot Front is very public about the training they conduct with their guys,³ and it covers everything listed by Pierce except for marksmanship. In lieu of that, many Active Clubs tend to just go shooting with their members and don’t publicize it as an organization activity, in order to avoid attention that would be brought on them for “militia training.” The listed activities happen in other clubs too, but aren’t as heavily documented (which, if you ask me, is for the better). There is also much to be said about WN 3.0’s decentralization and loose networking, meaning that if one club gets taken out by the feds, the whole network doesn’t die on the vine, which is advantageous with a government whose sole, singular stated purpose is to prevent pro-White organizations from existing.⁴ One may call this an appeal to authority, but given his experience and success, I think Dr. Pierce is a perfectly fine authority to appeal to.

In short, Dr. Pierce states in the Bulletin what WNs should do if they want to channel anger into action and build networks, and the current Active Club scene is doing exactly that. I wouldn’t call following the instructions of one of the most impactful and (arguably) smartest men in WN history to be “deradicalization.”



1. This is the only webpage I could find this on, so if you want to read the whole thing, it’s under the post titled “Harold Covington Calls Dr. William Pierce a Coward.”

2. In search of the National Alliance bulletin referenced in this post, I ended up reading through a lot of material from National Vanguard, which has archives of Dr. Pierce’s many speeches and essays. In short, it was a harrowing experience. Looking back on old stuff and realizing that the White Nationalist cause has been swamped with retardation, grifters, and autism (the bad kind) for as long as it has existed, it was an utterly brutal blackpill realizing that barely anything has changed over the decades. I highly commend anyone who has been “in the scene” since before 2015, as it must have seemed like an utterly hopeless struggle before it began reaching more people.
As an aside, I think that Harold Covington would have made an excellent NJP Central Committee member.

3. I brought up Patriot Front specifically because they publish basically all of their training activities, not necessarily out of preference. As a sort of disclaimer, not all is good in the Patriot Hood. At the moment, there are many negative rumors circulating about PF as well as Thomas Rousseau, some of which are more substantiated than others. I will include no further drama details, I’m just bringing this up in order to not sound like I’m saying the ‘Atriot Front is perfect in every imaginable way.
As a tangent, it’s interesting to me that there are (probably) a single-digit number of facefags in the entire European WN 3.0 scene. I figure we in Hamburger Land should take the hint, since their scene is doing a whole lot better than ours.

4. In the wake of the collapse of the NJP, it has been frequently observed that though the organization and its gay talking heads are gone, the underlying network between the non-retarded members still remains, just not under the NJP banner. Although Patriot Front is centralized in nature, the individual regions are very close with local Active Clubs, meaning that if the organization does collapse (see Footnote 3), its members would be easily absorbed into those clubs, and the overall network would persist.

[NuclearAbsolutist]

Related, this expose was recently published I believe its allegations would be of interest to users here. Along with being a guide of what NOT to do in keeping yourself anon. https://socalresearchclub.noblogs.org/br...lord-gang/

Philippi habitually develops close relationships with underaged teens. Some he maintains friendships with, others he takes on the role of mentor with, and at least one he was in a relationship with.

Philippi may have taken a premonition that had been told to him by his “cult mother” way too literally when she said, “the girl your [sic] looking for is still in highschool”. In May 2022, he admitted to being in a relationship with a teenager 5 years younger than himself. He described the 17-year old whom he’d “chased for months” as “a little damaged” on account of ongoing physical abuse from her father. He had disclosed all of this immediately after announcing: “I like giving cervical destruction”.

The fact that Philippi also casually discusses a desire to commit extreme, often sexual, violence is another red flag that should be taken very seriously. The cult-like loyalty Philippi exhibits to his chosen family and his “tribe”, all of whom are members of various neo-nazi groups, is also cause for concern.