Twatter Drama Megathread

[Datacop]

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/408307343/

AF bros love accusing people of being Jews, all while licking the feet of Le Based Nigger Kanye West. On what level does being Jewish matter if your movement will cuck on every other point? If BAP is ethnically Jewish, he clearly isn't practicing or sympathetic to Judaism beyond an appreciation for the National-Socialist tendencies of early Israel.

[The_Author]

The part that seems weird to me is that charlottesville was a notable event. Maybe because I'm not American but the idea of this mattering and seriously influencing people seems wrong. I swing back and forth on the billions must die question and have for years, but charlottesville was always a non-factor to me.

Yeah Charlottesville energized people at the time but nobody really thinks about it anymore. Nobody is deterred by the thought of "seeming like the Charlottesville people".

[rockies]

Comparing the "friendliness" of certain populations in different regions of early Modern Europe.

https://twitter.com/crimkadid/status/160...2665648128

[parsifal]

Is Costin Alamariu, who they claim is BAP, Jewish? Part Jewish?



https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/408307343/

This seems very difficult to argue against, but I do not like any of BAPs enemies. So I am asking you all for help

a lot of white people, especially in eastern europe, are a quarter or an eighth jewish (in practice much less, because those jewish ancestors themselves are not "100% jewish"). hitler himself would have considered someone with a single jewish great uncle fully aryan according to the nuremberg laws. it's really not an argument.

[Zed]

Is Costin Alamariu, who they claim is BAP, Jewish? Part Jewish?



https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/408307343/

This seems very difficult to argue against, but I do not like any of BAPs enemies. So I am asking you all for help

Say he is - how would that affect your view of what he has written? Do you want to question prior your alignment with those beliefs? How will it affect your view going forward?

Say he isn't - and he is merely the barely closeted (no anal) homosexual he presents himself as. Are you relieved by this?

[Zed]

The pressing questions...

[Guest]

I know this doesn't have to do with the topic,but since people are now talking if bas is a jew or not, this feel relevant.

It's about the jewish question and Oswald Mosley on its book "Fascism- 100 questions asked and answered" had a very nuanced take about the jews withou falling between vitriolic anti-semitism and "Jews dindu noffin wrong,its the goyim's fault"

there are some good quotes :


https://imgur.com/a/adzNQPv


"95. What is the Fascist attitude towards the Jews ? Jews must put the interests of Britain before those of Jewry, or be deported from Britain. This is not a principle of racial or religious persecution. Any well-governed nation must insist that its citizens owe allegiance to the nation, and not to co-racialists and co-religionists resident outside its borders or organised as a state within the State. The Jews, as a whole, have chosen to organise themselves as a nation within the Nation and to set their interests before those of Great Britain. They must, like everyone else, put "Britain First" or leave Britain."

"97. Will the Jews then be persecuted or ill-treated ? It is untrue to suggest that Jews will be persecuted under Fascism in Britain. Bullying or persecution of any kind is foreign to the British character. We shall not keep Jews here to bully them. Those who have been guilty of anti-British conduct will be deported. Those against whom no such charge rests will be treated as foreigners, but in accordance with the traditional British treatment of foreigners within these shores, will not be ill-treated or molested. On the other hand, foreigners who have not proved themselves worthy citizens of Britain will be deported."

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my mistake this was the quote in the picture 

https://imgur.com/a/adzNQPv

[anthony]

Mosley seems quite mild on these questions, about where Chesterton was. This and other related questions I think are arising mostly because of stupid people who can't understand the real reasons why smart people develop skepticism of certain types and then turn it into a taint of essence. We just don't have to deal with this if we select for intelligence and taste, as we should be, and kind of do here.  Again I'm just saying that the only reason to involve stupid people in "politics" at this level is to farm money from them, which Fuentes is good at. This whole thing isn't a political issue. It's just a stupid mess that's forming because Fuentes is a stupid person who encourages lots of other stupid people to get "political" and through that develop a point of contact from which they then harass higher human cultures which are adjacent to these political spots.

Nothing comes of contact with these apes and they can be filtered by more than two lines of continuous text. I don't think there's any substance to this whole thing and I don't think there ever will be. It's televangelism-viewers throwing shit into the literate internet.

[anthony]

I literally haven't heard from Fuentes or Kanye once ever since that Alex Jones and Kanye debacle

I think that's all that needs to be said to cap this thing.

[anthony]

I'm not listening, but I find the images funny.

[BillyONare]

Orchid vs Dandelion physiognomy

[anthony]

So our old absent friend Mikka has been tweeting about how dialogues are dead again.



I don't use twitter but I was under the impression dialogues are indeed dead. Nobody was sharing any with me so I figured they were just done.

I clicked on mikka's name just to see what he was posting because I find him funny, and I find a reference to Keith Woods.



Yes, based, a guy got a hit in for our team, that's not why I'm making this post. I'm just leading you through my experience with pictures because I enjoy media-rich posting. I saw this post and was reminded Keith Woods exists and is on twitter. I look into that.



If only dialogues were just dead. You know. Over. We had fun now they're gone. Little did I know more people are apparently posting them than ever. And they're all degenerating into this.



This one made me smile because I hadn't seen the shirt in a while and it's funny being mentioned in strange places out of nowhere.



Now. This is not good, however, this person likes Griffith and appears to have at least imbibed axioms that make him more agreeable than the average person so I'm not going to say I hate that this exists.

You can all talk about the state of how people I've never heard of feel about people I don't care about, but I'd like to bring this back to what Mikka said. The dialogues being dead. Or undead, maybe.

I really think when these things were good they were really good. A very short lived literary form that rapidly developed, bloomed, and died. As one of the masters said, only about 5 or 10 people really ever understood Gigachad. Not all dialogues contain gigachad, but virtually all are attempting to channel him. Some more thoughts from masters. That satire is about superiority. And on the characters who commonly stood in the gigachaddian role in dialogues, they cannot be self-conscious, only entirely themselves. Nobody put any strict form to these dialogues. It's no haiku. It was all feeling, inspiration, and what was funny. But now the good ones are behind us and imitations which obviously don't work are all around us maybe we can put some thought into this and retroactively impose a satisfying order upon what made good dialogues work.

What does satire is about superiority mean? Sharpest way I think I could put my interpretation of that, satire is when you are above the issues and subjects at hand, not when you are in and amongst them, fighting. Satire is laughing from above. It's when you've already won. Why do the first two attempted dialogues above not work? I think it's because you can feel genuine anger and upset behind them. Gigachad (or gigachaddian traits) worn as a mask of composure rather than a mocking expression of authentic feeling. Gigachad I believe works because he's so extreme that he just does not work as a mask. He is such a grotesquely superior figure that someone with taste could only use him as a joke. If someone is directing a true gigachad dialogue at you they are not attacking you. They don't need to. They're laughing at you.

And the characters this general style worked for. Gigachad, Keith Raniere, Jared Leto, BHL, I think what was admired in these characters was how complete they could be. You cannot imagine them undermined, disrupted, appealed to, compromised with, they are entirely what they are no matter how shocking, upsetting, offensive, or wrong that might appear to be. Leto's perversion, to BHL's narcissism, to Raniere's merciless judgment, to Gigachad's characterisation of the moment, the impression one gets from these characters is that they're so solidly and fully formed that they're like walls. You don't engage in dialogue with them, you are faced by them. You can do what you will in the face of them, but they will not yield to you. It's inconceivable.

From here there are two things that can go wrong. One, you use this wall-like nature as a rhetorical tool rather than a joke, basically recreating the "I AM SILLY" meme. Second, you self-insert as one of these wall-like presences, either directly or through something which stands particularly for you. Again, this is fighting. The purpose of the wall character is not to own someone. They're a comic device. They're very conducive to these short humorous scenarios because they're so simple and static. They're best directed at someone owned by their own absurd nature,



This is not an attack. There is no fight with this guy to be won here. It clearly never even began. The line given to the subject is too particular for Russell's Conjugations to apply. Too personal. It's a pretty damn good affectation of his voice and ideas left to stand in contrast against an equally solid impersonation of the self satisfied attention seeking of BHL. Can anybody look at this and even consider the question of whether the tweeter or the subjects are winning? What's the fight? What are the sides? This is not a punch thrown in a fight. This is an extremely short and sharp comic skit. These people are not enemies to be fought. They're dolls or props to be played with. Characters. They just become more scenes in this internet Punch & Judy show. If someone can do that to you and make it funny is there any question they are your superior?

Now scroll back up to Keith and friends, even our guy above, and decide for yourself if we've gone off track.

[FrenziedFish]

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Interesting thoughts on dialogues. I wouldn't say I'm that good of a poster of them but I feel I've managed to avoid the main pitfalls even if the resultant 'logues aren't that funny or interesting themselves. Seeing the bastardisation of certain 'chads and the format as a whole is sad but inevitable as something becomes more visible, this doesn't mean that good 'logues can't still be made, but it'll be harder for them to find an audience as those with tainted notions will find it difficult to understand even the 'logues that require little to no background knowledge.

To go onto specific 'chads, do you have any thoughts on specific ones, were any heralds of this now fallen era? I do remember Carlsbad said Gigachad jumped the shark with the Thinkpad
gigachad, though I don't quite agree.

[JohnnyRomero]

Thank you for reinforcing the need for TMD (Total Mick Death). Keith Woods' immensely homosexual existence and phenotype is the best argument for Ulster Supremacy.

[BillyONare]

good ol FtM Keith

[Anonymous]

 
Obviously there can be no "BAP's Talmudic Network" if BAP (who they claim is Costin Vlad Alamariu) is not the son of a Jewish woman (the necessary prerequisite for Jewishness in the Talmud). His mother is almost certainly a Romanian Gentile since she is subscribed to a Greek Orthodox church in Massachussets. He also would not be Jewish under the Nuremburg Laws, AT MOST he would be a mischlinge of the first degree. Many of whom were granted Aryan status due to their importance or their showing of bravery in battle, so long as they did not have outwardly semitic features or Jewish pathology

[Guest]

 
Obviously there can be no "BAP's Talmudic Network" if BAP (who they claim is Costin Vlad Alamariu) is not the son of a Jewish woman (the necessary prerequisite for Jewishness in the Talmud). His mother is almost certainly a Romanian Gentile since she is subscribed to a Greek Orthodox church in Massachussets. He also would not be Jewish under the Nuremburg Laws, AT MOST he would be a mischlinge of the first degree. Many of whom were granted Aryan status due to their importance or their showing of bravery in battle, so long as they did not have outwardly semitic features or Jewish pathology

It's amazing to see you faggots coping like this when BAP is going to double down on his jewishness and Zionism within a month at latest. The work of waking up discerning young men about the operations of these anti-Christ subverters had already been done and what remains of BAP's brand is a pathetic grift held together by parasocial networks and literal grooming. That middle aged kike will never pass.

[NuclearAbsolutist]

The work of waking up discerning young men about the operations of these anti-Christ subverters had already been done and what remains of BAP's brand is a pathetic grift held together by parasocial networks and literal grooming. That middle aged kike will never pass.

A cardinal mistake is to project on your opponent you know.

[anthony]

It's amazing to see you faggots coping like this when BAP is going to double down on his jewishness and Zionism within a month at latest. The work of waking up discerning young men about the operations of these anti-Christ subverters had already been done and what remains of BAP's brand is a pathetic grift held together by parasocial networks and literal grooming. That middle aged kike will never pass.

I have a hard time believing that this is real but will answer anyway because I never get an answer. What is the Jewishness? Where do BAP's interests and mine clash?

edit: also, 'grift', 'parasocial networks' and 'grooming'. Such lame and stale approaches by now. Smart people got tired of those words a long time ago. Are you a kiwifarms lurker?

[Guest]

I have a hard time believing that this is real but will answer anyway because I never get an answer. What is the Jewishness? Where do BAP's interests and mine clash?

edit: also, 'grift', 'parasocial networks' and 'grooming'. Such lame and stale approaches by now. Smart people got tired of those words a long time ago. Are you a kiwifarms lurker?

If you want a right wing capitalist meritocracy, your interests align with BAP and the jews. I mean, you're basically an edgy neocon like one of those larping Azov wignats. You can pretend like you're actually motivated by some obscure ideas like Nietzsche or BAM but it's just an abstract larp to cover up how basic and regime aligned all your positions are and it's even an attempt to lock dissident ideas behind a veneer of pseudointellectualism and all of the gay ticks BAP employs to create this brand. And anyone who disagrees with just one part of it like the homoeroticism or glorification of (failed) US imperialism is just a screeching blue haired negress. You're so detached from reality and down this rabbit hole that it's hard to explain to you. But back in the real world, the young men that will stand against this regime are not larping as golden age bodybuilders, they are praying and going to church. They don't want to "fuck whores", they want a happy marriage with many children and to live in a sensible society devoid of the evil and poison of the kiked modern world. This is Hitler's vision, but of course you chose to forgo him in favor of a homosexual Romanian jew.