Age of Consent

[calico]

Look guys just don't fuck kids it's not hard. I'm sure there's plenty of "post wall" (22 y/o's) who would be more than happy to give you a shot if you toned down the Hitler praise for a night or two.

[Zed]

Some are ready to mate the moment they hit puberty, others need more years of refining. In nearly all cases, parents should assume the role of deciding what is and isn't appropriate for their child up until a fairly low emancipatory age of sovereignty - perhaps 13-14 or so. At that point, they're adults and can live, suffer, and die by their decisions. If they choose to remain with their parents, they will have to conform to the structure of the household and obey the guidelines set forth, as the parents will have the full legal backing of the state. Most will opt for that. If they choose to court someone older, it must be done explicitly with their parent's approval and vetting.

As for those who declare their sovereignty, which will likely be a small minority.... nature will take its course with those from broken homes. It will be horrifying for some, and good for others. It'll produce some prostitutes, some degenerates, and some soldiers. Some will die drugged out on the streets and others will rise quite far.

This is what I wish I grew up under, anyway.

[Corvid]

Look guys just don't fuck kids it's not hard. I'm sure there's plenty of "post wall" (22 y/o's) who would be more than happy to give you a shot if you toned down the Hitler praise for a night or two.

Nobody said this. It's all in your head.

[Datacop]

These don't signify emotional maturity in their own right, but as a general rule (which is what any age of consent is by default) if you can do both of those things then you're capable of supporting a family on your own without being a dependent.

That's obviously not the real explanation though, you yourself say:

For the record, men used to be able to support families alone earlier in adolescence than they do now
(...)
I think it'd be reasonable to say that the Roman 14 year old male had an equivalent grasp on his own life trajectory as a 16-18 year old male in Current Year.

If the average man could support a family younger, than why has the age of consent been 18 for over a century? And why was it 10-12 in the 19th century? Even with how comparatively helpless young men are now, the average 10 year old boy would not be able to support a family at any time.

At least, that's how I'd approach it.

So, you actually aren't explaining the age of consent "at face value", you're just excusing it ex post facto.

This argument is nonsense at face value— the age of consent law is for young women, not young men. There's never been a "problem" with young men starting families too early, but there were people (spinsters and liberals) who decided that normal teenage marriage was a problem in the 1910s. You can even see this today with the dozens of examples of female teachers having sex with male students and getting off with a slap on the wrist (at least, compared to the punishment for the reverse). Enforcing young male/older woman sex crimes has always been an afterthought because it is.

It just goes back to my point that there needs to be a serious revision of sexual ethics. If you want to get the ball rolling on Wholesome Ethical Marriages again then you need epistemic and political power to reinforce a new standard, rather than just changing one law.

This I agree with in spirit, but I think where we differ is the effect of changing the AoC. In a way, modern age of consent legislation is designed to widen the time between a woman being controlled by her father and being controlled by her husband. This is arguably the most disastrous period in a female's development and can easily ruin her forever. Most women even intuitively understand this as well, expressing it as a claiming to have been traumatized by minor sexual encounters that occurred during that period. When speaking honestly, most women hate this period of their lives. Most of these girls would probably have been much happier being taken by an older man Not that changing the AoC would "fix" the issue wholesale, but I disagree with the idea that culture would need to be changed first for it to have a positive affect— a legal system that doesn't punish men for taking young, beautiful wives would be a change that would inspire change, not the other way around.

Look guys just don't fuck kids it's not hard. I'm sure there's plenty of "post wall" (22 y/o's) who would be more than happy to give you a shot if you toned down the Hitler praise for a night or two.

Meds NOW!!!!

[Corvid]

So, you actually aren't explaining the age of consent "at face value", you're just excusing it ex post facto.

This argument is nonsense at face value— the age of consent law is for young women, not young men. There's never been a "problem" with young men starting families too early, but there were people (spinsters and liberals) who decided that normal teenage marriage was a problem in the 1910s. You can even see this today with the dozens of examples of female teachers having sex with male students and getting off with a slap on the wrist (at least, compared to the punishment for the reverse). Enforcing young male/older woman sex crimes has always been an afterthought because it is.

It was a miscommunication on my part. The "face value" I was referring to is the idea that consent needs to be restricted to some arbitrary point of maturity. Everything following about dependence, job/driving is my ex post facto justification for why this might make sense to be higher in a (post-)industrial standard of education. It's not meant to be congruent with the ideas as they were when feminists pushed them in their own time, as either representation or endorsement.

[National Kid]

Age of Consent laws should not Exist as the concept of consent being the preresquite for some action within the judicial realm places the consenter with rights and privileges that should only be reserved for the Citizen(Upstanding White Male) and not the inferior Female sex. “Our ancestors saw fit that “females, by reason of levity of disposition, shall remain in guardianship, even when they have reached their majority”” It is Necessary in the personal interests of the citizen that the female sex should be reduced to property and the prerogative of ownership should be reserved to the citizen over all Humanoid Property class Beings. A Citizen should have right to sell his own child and wife at his own leisure, the idea that the state should look out for their welfare by reason of some inherent Human Rights being within their possession is an Absurdity. The only non-citizen humanoids that should be looked after by the state and protected with the power of its influence are the male children of citizen who will become the next generation of citizens. They should be protected from abuse that would hinder their developments. Females can be bought and sold at any age, their fate decided by Proprietor. Watch Salò, or the 120 days of Sodom.

[Datacop]

A Citizen should have right to sell his own child and wife at his own leisure

[HSI]

Watch Salò, or the 120 days of Sodom.

I haven't watched Salò nor will I, it was made by a faggot and all faggots are God-haters who defile the flesh to spite His authority. Justify why you would recommend a sadistic gay porno as a model of the correct way to own women. I suspect you are a cruel faggot yourself and that when you see a fertile young woman, your desire is to brand her with hot irons and force her to eat feces instead of using her to fill up with babies like God intended.

[National Kid]

Watch Salò, or the 120 days of Sodom.

I haven't watched Salò nor will I, it was made by a faggot and all faggots are God-haters who defile the flesh to spite His authority. Justify why you would recommend a sadistic gay porno as a model of the correct way to own women. I suspect you are a cruel faggot yourself and that when you see a fertile young woman, your desire is to brand her with hot irons and force her to eat feces instead of using her to fill up with babies like God intended.

“Patients Symptoms:
1. Patient shows need of Constant Affirmations from authority figures on Mundane tasks Claiming a “Proper Way”

2. Patient has an Obsession with the word “faggot” and Opines on how the “True Faggots” are the ones that want to Own Women

3. Patient has Demonstrated a need to Psychoanalyze those around him Resulting in the creation of Complex Sexual Fantasies that the Patient has Affirmed that they Possess

Diagnosis: LongHoused stage 5, it’s terminal. Patient only has a few more days until he is complete WifeGuyed, if fate is particularly Cruel he will develop LumberACKED. Under such events I will take it as my responsible as a doctor and on the Meritocratic Oath I Took to Euthanize the Patient.”

[Datacop]

>Christian Guest vs Homosexual Guest in the Age of Consent thread
https://youtube.com/watch?v=jN8MTxg_Jlc&si=EnSIkaIECMiOmarE

[Guest]

A Citizen should have right to sell his own child and wife at his own leisure

It's interesting how you people are exactly what guys like Will Menaker say you are, but lose your shit when somebody points it out or makes fun of you for it anyway

[anthony]

It's interesting how you people are exactly what guys like Will Menaker say you are, but lose your shit when somebody points it out or makes fun of you for it anyway

I had to google who that is. I don't think anybody is concerned by what he believes.

[BillyONare]

It's interesting how you people are exactly what guys like Will Menaker say you are, but lose your shit when somebody points it out or makes fun of you for it anyway

It's interesting how his best friend and co-host got cancelled for raping a sixteen year old.

[anthony]

It's interesting how you people are exactly what guys like Will Menaker say you are, but lose your shit when somebody points it out or makes fun of you for it anyway

It's interesting how his best friend and co-host got cancelled for raping a sixteen year old.

Something appears to have gone wrong with the quote function here. But while I'm in the thread again, is there a funny story behind this?

[BillyONare]

"These Choods just want to bang high schoolers hee hee and they are obsessed with skull shapes and eugenics like calipers hee hee hoo hoo HAHA hoHO hahah isn't that right Ching Chang?"
"That is a fair assessment, but why are you doing a snarky fake laugh? What is your dialectic objection?"
"HAHAHA WOW they don't even deny it??? HEE HEE HEE HO HO but why are annoyed by me hee hee?"
"Where is Ching Chang now?"
"Ching Chang? Who is that?"

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Something appears to have gone wrong with the quote function here. But while I'm in the thread again, is there a funny story behind this?

I think it's funny. A sixteen year old girl published her DMs with the Chinese guy and they were masturbating together or something. All his cohosts and friends promptly pretended that he didn't exist. It's crazy how this has been memory holed. The Chapo Trap House wikipedia page now says that "he left amicably" with no record of this incident.

[NuclearAbsolutist]

Something appears to have gone wrong with the quote function here. But while I'm in the thread again, is there a funny story behind this?

Before I give you the rundown I wish to note to our guest here if you seriously believe appeal to balding socialist podcast host counts for a rebuttal here it does not. Anyhow I had to google who that guy guest referred to  myself and then the memories came back. If you don't know one of the chapo members Virgil Texas dated a teenager. https://archive.is/Kliej they cut ties from him and to this day people reference the event and go where is he guys as he appears to have totally dropped from the face of the Earth and the chapos refuse to mention any further details. Quite amusing especially as they are the kind to go the Chudthugican party are the real groomers.

[BillyONare]

I found the particular Wikipedia edit deleting the paragraph about "grooming allegations". It's a tranny and the rationale is something something wikipedia terms of service.

[NuclearAbsolutist]

I found the particular Wikipedia edit deleting the paragraph about "grooming allegations". It's a tranny and the rationale is something something wikipedia terms of service.

They truly are a latter day NKVD. This shows another part of the age of consent debate real honesty can't be had because there is a entire system of lies to contend with in all aspects.

[anthony]

I found the particular Wikipedia edit deleting the paragraph about "grooming allegations". It's a tranny and the rationale is something something wikipedia terms of service.

They truly are a latter day NKVD. This shows another part of the age of consent debate real honesty can't be had because there is a entire system of lies to contend with in all aspects.

I love reading wikipedia talk pages. These people really do think in totalitarian motions. "Reliable source" is such a great meme. Even now there are rationalist knights bashing their head against this brick wall in there.

[NuclearAbsolutist]

I love reading wikipedia talk pages. These people really do think in totalitarian motions. "Reliable source" is such a great meme. Even now there are rationalist knights bashing their head against this brick wall in there.

The last embers of the enlightenment versus the post enlightenment.