Internet Tranny Sociology Thread

[GraphWalkWithMe]

There was some discussion preserved in the archive on the phenomenon of "faux-edgy displays among Tumblrina trannies", and how it manifests in their Visual Works emphasizing lurid subjects like "cute" childwhore self-loathing/anorexia. Because adherence to Trannyism necessarily begs for an affectation of female behaviors, and because its recent deluge of devotees are largely spergs who live the bulk of their life through the Internet, the female behavior they seek to replicate and feel to adopt is that of the "BPD" personality-type. The "BPD" girl is the type most active on the Internet, maybe owing to the frustration of her IRL social life, among other things. There was (/is?) a fixation among them on Trevor Brown.







He's a genuinely edgy English illustrator born in 1959 who rose to some prominence in the late 90's. The themes here overlap with those of the tranny Artist - Nipponified, medicalized girl-child sexualization. But a place where the transsexual/BPDoid and Brown branch is that the girl is the object of the piece - the author didn't seek to make some detached "semi-ironic" self-portrait, but rather to create things that bother people.

[Guest]

Trannies in every community are a venomous poison, a parasite with a viper tongue who intoxicate all, who make everything revolve around them and their disgusting sexual fetish. For Trannies, all they read and see, everything they consume, can only be understood through the optics of self-inserting. For the true story, the true characters, all they boast “media literacy” about is none of their true concerns, these are all secondary. Their true interest is in how they can take over its corpse, after they kill it, and wear its skin. It is only important if they can self-insert themselves into it, the characters and the story must revolve around them somehow. And if it doesn’t, there is nothing they can’t twist with enough pilpul, everything contradicting their headcanon is memory holed.

[Zed]

Trannies in every community are a venomous poison, a parasite with a viper tongue who intoxicate all, who make everything revolve around them and their disgusting sexual fetish. For Trannies, all they read and see, everything they consume, can only be understood through the optics of self-inserting. For the true story, the true characters, all they boast “media literacy” about is none of their true concerns, these are all secondary. Their true interest is in how they can take over its corpse, after they kill it, and wear its skin. It is only important if they can self-insert themselves into it, the characters and the story must revolve around them somehow. And if it doesn’t, there is nothing they can’t twist with enough pilpul, everything contradicting their headcanon is memory holed.

[GoldenOstrich]

I haven't read the entire thread but wanted to contribute on some aspects of tranny psychology. 

I know this guy since entering the Gymnasium at age 10. He used to be very masculine but also sensitive, has probably the highest IQ of anyone I know, is decently tall, and comes from a good family. Is completely aryan with dark blue eyes and light-brown hair. Also very well developed bone structure, not brutish but refined. His mother died from cancer. It was very tragic and sad. We were friends and I and some other friends attended the funeral when we were around 12 years old. One friend collapsed because the atmosphere in the room was so sad. 
He was also always very anti-school, never doing the homework before this tragedy, but after it he never really got back into school at all. The event was his excuse for escape - completely. We, and other friends, were still very close and wrote him some letters. I wrote it in latin, because he were always translating together, and it was very fun. All of this was lost because although very intelligent, he was very unconscientious and very open - hence his inclination towards the arts. He produced great works in our "bildnerische Erziehung (visual education)" classes and also entered the school choir - a very unusual choice in our degenerated anti-intellectual feminized schooling environment. 
He lost some of this connection to the arts and became very mentally unstable. I think the death of his mother, failed attempts at getting a girlfriend contributed to it. His father is a pretty high-ranking officer through him he met the daughter of a general. While it is not exactly clear to me if there ever was a romantic relationship or if he just pretended to in front of the girls in my class. By this time he had been completely raped by the therapists, I and other friends couldn't really do anything at that point, because the attitude was that he should stick to professionals and they know best. The death of his mother was the catalyst of course, so not just the constant therapeutic environment, the naturally feminized environment of art, but also the also nearly divinized femininity of his mother contributed to the creation of the transsexual. 
Naturally online he slowly changed the games and friend-groups. Changed his avatar to an anime girl which was somewhat graceful-looking, a very slow process. We kept in touch but because he didn't subject himself to school in any way we lost regular and actual physical contact. We met at parties but he kept awkwardly shifting away from his former male-friends and play-acted more feminine forms of expressions and topics of discussion. This, of course, didn't make him acceptable in the girls-circles because they also sense in their bones and veins that what he is now is wrong - a tragic mutant. At a party, under the influence of alcohol, he without being prompted talked about the possibility that he was "influenced" through the internet into his new "sexuality" - on the same night he said that he found me and other friends attractive - the context was so revolting also because of the age of that time and his clear retroactive lying. He constantly needs to bring up his sexuality - at every occasion I see him. This is all so cruel and a huge loss, at a civilsational level. With the right leaders and without this culture in which I must live, he could have become a great man, certainly of the arts and maybe even of history. Now he his role-playing, instead of producing great art he talks about sexuality all the time and his brain will still never be that of a women. Although taking hormones now, his nature, the neuroplastic environment of early childhood, and early teenhood in which he was very masculine will never be truly lost. So now he is twisted on all fronts. He dreams of becoming an actual actor now, which is fitting I suppose. The actual situation is that he works in a supermarket and cuts meat into slices for construction workers. This trash world took a great nature from us which should be here for our salvation. 

He apologize for my style but I needed to get this out of me - to people who maybe see this tragedy for what it is.

[JohnTrent]

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A very disturbing and unfortunate transformation. It is always a great loss when someone like that betrays their own nature.

[GoldenOstrich]

"This story reminds me of BAP's description of the homosexual/transsexual as "fallen higher type", someone who viscerally feels the false nature of contemporary "masculinity", but, failing to rise above it, degenerates into something lesser. Previously I was skeptical of this idea, but now that somebody else has independently discovered the same concept, I am starting to believe in it a bit more. Here's a link to the excerpt in question,, because I don't want to paste a wall of text here"

Yes I remember this part of BAM well because I could recognize some of the aspects I have seen but I don't agree with all of it - especially the Paglia part with which Alamariu also disagrees. In my case the: "such boy is turned off by the horseplay and “rough” masculinity of his brothers and father and other boys his age" doesn't apply - he was certainly into rougher masculinity - we did a lot of arm-wrestling and the like - he is naturally very strong even tho he never trained or did sports of any sort - which is, I think, a cause for trooning-out - not having the right educators/leaders. 

"Not all gays are of this origin— there is Jeffrey Dahmer, there are others." I very much agree with this, I don't think we should generally see sexual deviance as a sign of a higher nature but Intelligence and sexual deviance certainly does correlate (see College LGBullshIT stats). 

One further take on this:
"Smarter people" are more likely to support queer theory that makes the existence of a trans identity "possible" or to be part of the community themselves, as well as being more likely that smarter people are/will/were mentally ill - again see college stats as very rough indicator - intelligence is partly genetic - by not reproducing LG... these genes are not passed on and dysgenesis occurs, i.e. loss of good genes related to intelligence - so Queer-Gender-Ideology is a form of IQ Shredder - maybe integrable with Spandrells idea of the big shity IQ shredder.

Higher nature are particularly prone to get corrupted by the current nomos so it is vital to keep sexual morality intact - even in the ruling class unless you want hordes of the illiterate and the semi-conscious crushing the culture with their low intellectual standards. 

Overall the intelligence thing could also be seen in the context of genetic diseases, where in population with higher average IQ, more genetic diseases occur that affect the neurological condition of the individual specimen - see the Ashkenazim, the French Protestants or old European Aristocracy.

The supposed Nietzscheanism of sexual libertinism is, of course, as argued by smo. above, ridiculous - using Callicles / a cannon to kill a gnat  - as argued by Bloom and Alamariu. Nietzsche doesn't fucking care about "sexual repression" - he wants to penetrate the Sun, the only women a real man would ever want children with - eternity.

[saeik]

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Generally displays of outwards masculinity do not count for much. I think the right questions to frame things are roughly: Did he desire to become a man/start a family? If so, was he optimistic about this? What degree of attraction did he have for women?

Obviously, you can't really know the degree to which he had AGP —but the rest may be knowable to you, depending on your conversations with him.

Keep in mind that AGP, when present, effectively annihilates what might be considered the conventional heterosexual sex drive. There is no erotic desire towards conquering a woman, only in fantasies of being one. At the extreme, having a girlfriend/wife seems more like a unfortunate responsibility than anything else, since you cannot concieve of feeling lost towards her. The only upshot is procreation, but that is usually not enough for most.

[GoldenOstrich]

Generally displays of outwards masculinity do not count for much. I think the right questions to frame things are roughly: Did he desire to become a man/start a family? If so, was he optimistic about this? What degree of attraction did he have for women?

Obviously, you can't really know the degree to which he had AGP —but the rest may be knowable to you, depending on your conversations with him.

Keep in mind that AGP, when present, effectively annihilates what might be considered the conventional heterosexual sex drive. There is no erotic desire towards conquering a woman, only in fantasies of being one. At the extreme, having a girlfriend/wife seems more like a unfortunate responsibility than anything else, since you cannot concieve of feeling lost towards her. The only upshot is procreation, but that is usually not enough for most.

He was attracted to the hottest girls like everyone else, rated woman like everybody else - we played "the rating game" on school excursions where you also stay several nights. I can confidentally say that he had a healthy "inward masculinity". When all the boys said who their crush/ favorite was, he could assert himself against other friends who were attracted to the same girl. Who thinks of starting a family/procreation in your early teens?  Certainly noone in my cultural setting.

Ad AGP: He has said who his ideal/model of feminity was, said it to the girl right in front of me which was very awkward because I was romantically involved with her and he was rejected by her. If I had to explain her: intelligent (particularly in math, but completely uninterested in learning anything - apart from school stuff - which she did for competiton), very jovial, perfectly fitting the conventional female beauty type  (thin, blonde, ...), completely natural in her looks - no makeup - anti-vulgar, not going with trends but being highly adapted to her social reality, loves competition, very playful, etc. What can I really derive from his "testimony"? The most striking thing about her - was the way she asserted herself - you were immediately drawn to mirror her joviality. This quality isn't really feminine - it is rather the complete lack of any form of depression, it is what in my language is called Lebensfreude, maybe translatable as Joie de vivre. From a person of her type, which I agree is the ideal, you can sense radiating strong sense of being happy with oneself - that is exactly what he lacked for such a long time. After getting rejected (she rejected especially his lack of "conventional masculinity" - and latter got involved with a guy who looks like a less faggy version of Hero Fiennes Tiffin - so the conventional ideal) - he may have reasoned - simplifying ofc - if I can't get her, become her. Imitating her wholeness of being also means becoming a woman. But I principally root his idolization of feminity in the tragic loss of his mother at a crucial point in his life - the imitation fantasy was much later and not directly related to sex - but getting into these thought processes is maybe too hard for me because he isn't a simple human. I think his sense of attraction is deeply entangled with his memory of seeing death - which makes it very deep and complicated - but it is not erotic - so no AGP - I don't want to bring Freud in this, I hate him like the pest. 
He developed a fantasy of being a woman, as I have laid out above, but this very late in his teens and his attractions are still very much heterosexual. 








Joie de vivre

[JohnTrent]

If I had to explain her: intelligent (particularly in math, but completely uninterested in learning anything - apart from school stuff - which she did for competiton), very jovial, perfectly fitting the conventional female beauty type  (thin, blonde, ...), completely natural in her looks - no makeup - anti-vulgar, not going with trends but being highly adapted to her social reality, loves competition, very playful, etc. What can I really derive from his "testimony"? The most striking thing about her - was the way she asserted herself - you were immediately drawn to mirror her joviality. This quality isn't really feminine - it is rather the complete lack of any form of depression, it is what in my language is called Lebensfreude, maybe translatable as Joie de vivre. From a person of her type, which I agree is the ideal, you can sense radiating strong sense of being happy with oneself - that is exactly what he lacked for such a long time.
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He developed a fantasy of being a woman, as I have laid out above, but this very late in his teens and his attractions are still very much heterosexual.

I realize that I'm about to make a short list of banal statements, but one of the troubles facing young men today is the separation between a regular fantasy and the bitter reality: the girl of one's ideals versus the girl constrained through various pressures, molded into something that often repels men. There is a poise and naturalness of character that is forbidden to both men and women. If you wish to be flirtatious, bold, and daring, your complementary pair will be someone who is a "thrill-seeking personality" (read: whore, drug user, or strong mental illness like BPD). If you wish to be reserved but kind, your complementary pair will be someone that is resentful towards other girls, forever insecure, and might even try to control your life situation (and, again, you run the same risk of running into someone with BPD). If you want to be detached from it all, and have sexual encounters only, you will lose portions of your soul while attempting to deal with the same problems listed above, still present but subtle in manifestation. It is truly better to fantasize a life with Asuka or someone similar than to deal with this needlessly complex situation.

I don't believe we're in a position to say it was always this way, since that thought in itself is seeing the past through the lens of the present, and the behaviors of males twenty or thirty years ago are now enough to make people into social pariahs. The ease which can be accorded to relationships in the past has no bearing on today, and the only thing that young men can do is imagine something better. Because this is such an unnatural occurrence, the path of becoming a troon is ever more likely. The line of thought: "There is no way to feel completion in my current state. The only completion possible would be to become someone else. Therefore, it is a necessity that I should be another person to feel whole". This all sounds psychoanalytical but it really isn't, at least not in the convention of Freud or Lacan. Lacan describes in the Ecrits the troon fantasy of his time, which is far different than our own:

Divination by the unconscious no doubt warned the subject very early on that, unable to be the phallus the mother is missing, there remained the solu­tion of being the woman that men are missing.

This is the meaning of his fantasy, his account of which has often been commented on and which I quoted above from the incubation period of his second illness—namely, the idea "that it would be beautiful to be a woman submitting to the act of copulation" [S. 36]. This is precisely the pons asinorum of the Schreberian literature.

Notice the difference between the Schreber fantasy and the fantasy discussed in this thread. Sure, the fact that women copulate with men is still true, and the troon fantasy wishes to have this, but this wish is secondary to the now-primary purpose of identity. Fantasy takes precedence over reality, but it is the fantasy of another person's inner life, the fantasy of people adjusted to their world, the fantasy of not feeling "wrong". Scheber was a psychotic, but it's harder to prove this with certain troons (even if the lifestyle is insane by reasonable standards). Maybe someday there'll be another Memoirs of My Nervous Illness about this subject.

[GoldenOstrich]

Thank you very much for this post. This is excellent.

[BillyONare]

[Guest]

What do you guys make of right-wing trannies? Were they right-wing before or become rw after? How do they reconcile the disconnect, given the right hates them and the left endorse them? They're obviously a minority in the transsexualism sphere so I'm interested in reading your theories.

[august]

What do you guys make of right-wing trannies? Were they right-wing before or become rw after? How do they reconcile the disconnect, given the right hates them and the left endorse them? They're obviously a minority in the transsexualism sphere so I'm interested in reading your theories.

[NuclearAbsolutist]

Clearnet sites, even "Dark" net sites are never used for  organization, discussion or planning of any acts of violence that aim towards more  than suddenly padding the numbers of any nations counter terrorism arrests. As it stands I can only take such a thought as un-serious as OP went back on it by deleting it(Afraid of offense from above or below?) and another reason I'll get to. To be clear in my mind there is on that level proposed (Disclaimer:I do not support illegal acts this is from abstract COIN game theory yada yada) either do, don't. There is no "doodling" what  a forum is great at and social media the greatest at attracting the worst at it. If you amount to more than empty threats, your not doing anything if your on that level on either but public relations and maybe some recruitment if your not alone but a collective-The expectation of sudden force from such "communities" as a given is something I find quite baffling in all its expressions but this is something not for this thread.

What do you guys make of right-wing trannies? Were they right-wing before or become rw after? How do they reconcile the disconnect, given the right hates them and the left endorse them? They're obviously a minority in the transsexualism sphere so I'm interested in reading your theories.

I think its quite simple on a individual and collective level nobody has standards anymore nobody has anything close to a serious inner compass that's not simply reheated versions of whatever you dub the cancer killing The West, what you do have are people whose entire concept of politics amounts to memes, what you learned in school and more memes you happen to stumble across as a deficient minded person/someone who wishes they were one. So especially among young people in a world of no adults and dead children you naturally get people who are living constant contradictions and incoherence  not just the "rw tranny" but also "The pro stalinist American nationalist with a asian wife" and "Western traditionalist who only speaks dresses and thinks like a slum dweller". Not to imply its new but this kind of behavior has entered a transformative degree in recent times with the communication power and corruption of the internet.

[Guest]

Right wing trannies I suppose want to be part of some tranny nobility? Or wish to serve the nobility as tranny whores of some kind? I don't quite understand how such a being would function, and I imagine any proper noble would immediately exile such a creature if there were any right wing state in existence.

If any ruling class, any nobility, allowed for trannies to exist publicly and visibly, then I imagine it would be great cause for revolt. This is assuming a right wing state.

To be more accurate, I assume that these people do not actually mean they are right wing in any meaningful sense. They simply put on a hat that says "right wing" and cheer for the right players in whatever internet game is occurring. There is some abstract fantasy that one could have of tranny nobility state, but it simply falls apart upon construction.

Some people cheer for such aberrations, as they claim that "the tide is shifting!" But it is very meaningless. If these are the tides, then the ocean is nothing. People still labor under some fantasy of things happening all so pleasantly and gradually...iteration. Even as chasms sprout under the Earth, and towers fall, people will cling to such a thing. This is simply the state of men terribly afraid of paying any price of consequence.

[Zed]

What do you guys make of right-wing trannies? Were they right-wing before or become rw after? How do they reconcile the disconnect, given the right hates them and the left endorse them? They're obviously a minority in the transsexualism sphere so I'm interested in reading your theories.

Trannies ride the waves. The ideal state for us is one in which are a not social preoccupation or an active piece on the political board, but just a part of the social organism existing at the margins. People might know of us, but they typically do not care as we're removed from the contexts of their life - in fact, they are often kinder to us then. History suggests that in the societies that were we endured in for long periods, it is has precisely been as a consequence of people not caring. The hate against us fades when people stop having to see the worst of us echoed and reposted across social media daily - the left's attempt to utilize us for it's coalition has placed a target on us that previously did not exist. I believe that certain RW trannies realize this in their gut, and desire a reversion to the older ecosystem.

Here is a more cynical and general read: Modern radical politics is a domain of fashion and little else - edgy contrarianism is tried and true way for individuals to self-distinguish. That applies to many RW (and LW) trannies - but I think it applies in a much greater generality. People can talk, dream, and LARP about imagined futures for days - but one has to ask, what exactly is the point? What is the actionable value of most tweets or discussions? How many 'political' individuals have the capacity to make a difference, or have fully oriented themselves with a singular focus towards such an end? For most, radical politics is a vector of identity and community of shared values - a path to friendship, brotherhood, and 'identity'. And for a certain small minority, it provides an outlet for them to assert their intellectual/moral/spiritual dominance over others. In both cases, the functional purpose is the fulfillment of a social need - but any self-acknowledgement of this truth undermines the essential essence of how the magic works.

[anthony]

but any self-acknowledgement of this truth undermines the essential essence of how the magic works.

Maybe if you're running a circus. BAP can't say this to Doon and Medgold, but I like to think I can say it to everyone here.

[Zed]

but any self-acknowledgement of this truth undermines the essential essence of how the magic works.

Maybe if you're running a circus. BAP can't say this to Doon and Medgold, but I like to think I can say it to everyone here.

Those circuses account for the vast majority of political spheres - but there are deeper phenomena at play. Kaczynski's notion of stunted power processes is a pretty solid general model for the relation that most people hold with their politics. When you peel back the rhetoric and expose the social utility, the base human longing that lies near the core -  it is ultimately castrating, as the object of libidinal investment is deprived of the illusion. Thus the universal troll, applicable to any such group, lies in bringing the emptiness to this surface and holding a mirror to it. 

Apropos to this thread in particular - the same circle of ideas is connected with why certain trannies take such deep offense at the insinuation that they transitioned for a fetish, and why they needlessly and idly rage at TERFs.

[august]

Clearnet sites, even "Dark" net sites are never used for  organization, discussion or planning of any acts of violence that aim towards more  than suddenly padding the numbers of any nations counter terrorism arrests. As it stands I can only take such a thought as un-serious as OP went back on it by deleting it(Afraid of offense from above or below?) and another reason I'll get to. To be clear in my mind there is on that level proposed (Disclaimer:I do not support illegal acts this is from abstract COIN game theory yada yada) either do, don't. There is no "doodling" what  a forum is great at and social media the greatest at attracting the worst at it. If you amount to more than empty threats, your not doing anything if your on that level on either but public relations and maybe some recruitment if your not alone but a collective-The expectation of sudden force from such "communities" as a given is something I find quite baffling in all its expressions but this is something not for this thread.

If it said "Amarna forum spent too much time trying to get into trannies' heads instead of lopping them off simply treating them as mental cases" the meaning would've been exactly the same. It's a little bit like the Chekhov story where the peasant just can't seem to understand why he isn't allowed to remove the nuts from the train tracks to use as fishing weight, and the judge is equally as dumbfounded as to how the peasant doesn't see why doing so is a problem. They're on two completely different wavelengths, and there's nothing that can be done that will suddenly reconcile this cognitive disconnect. To be curt, I just don't want much to do with trannies of any stripe or alleged ideological affiliation, and I think it's a waste of time to spill the same old pseudo-psychoanalytical ink again and again giving them so much attention -- which is, of course, what they want, by the way -- because this is what happens when people do. 



I don't like that trannie, or any other, and I see no point in expending effort toward trying to figure out what makes them "right-wing" because that very label in itself is a hilarious misnomer. It's quite a straightforward position, and I am not so vain as to try and make it seem complicated in the slightest.

[saeik]

To be fair — that photo was carefully engineered towards attracting the interests of twinks. Quite possibly the most damning evidence yet advanced in regards to the "Is BAP gay?" question.

Now that the BAP JQ has been confirmed, the quest for BAP's serostatus may begin in earnest.