The Path to Ultimate Power: How Do We Win?

[Guest]

Call me a doomer if you like, but I tend to agree with Nemets as much as I hate to say it.

The White race is doomed, not only are the numbers simply insurmountable, but the Will to reverse the seemingly inevitable march to nigger world is just not there.

If there was a last chance it had to be Hitler. Really a century and thirty years ago, if all the European powers had joined together and purged the nigger and chink populations and colonized Asia and Africa. It's too late and the ship has sailed.

All the Amarnite dreams of TND and eugenics on a planetary scale require actual sovereignty, that is control of the state, population and landmass. There is simply no path this century to achieve this. No opening and eventually it will be pointless as the White population will be too small to seize power.

If you're religious you make take solace in an afterlife, or a supernatural end to history, if not I'd say follow the example of the Cimbri and Numantines who committed mass suicide to avoid enslavement.

To answer some predictable counter points.

"We don't need the masses", you do if you want foot soldiers to take the bullets so you won't. If the masses are shrinking(that is the normie White population) you will be simply be overwhelmed by the nigger hordes.

Biological and nuclear weapons: Yes, that could reverse things decisively, though when are any of you acquiring the nuclear arsenal or producing a biological agent that targets the bantu genome?

Maybe some of you young men will lead glorious last stands or destroy the world to deny it to the filth. I doubt it.

So all that said, is there a path to winning?

No.

On Truth Sayers
“I have the truth” they tell you. They never stop blathering about this truth to all and every ear to which might hear. Never stops the torrent of this truth from their pious overdeveloped maw that incessantly insists upon. “It is not like your pretty lie” he says in a most smug fashion, no no, for the truth is ugly, and this is how he knows it to be the truth.

How it’s makes all who hear it’s abhorrent tangle of malignant facts wretch and river. How it make their skin crawl and stomach turn. How it makes their eyes teary and mouth tremble. How it makes their knee shake and chest ache. “This must be the truth” he says when he see this. Yes yes, this is his truth, the more ugly and malformed the most truthful. 

How I despise these men who have sold vitality for this truth. To worship and adorn the world with this truth. They must make the world like their truth—to make it horrific and abhorrent, repulsive and repugnant. This is why they must never stop espousing such a truth. Their devotion to the lowly and sickly—such is the sickness which wishes to propagate itself among those who have not heard my teachings, shall I tell you?

Will to power—I reach to the heavens above! Will to power—I resist the spirit of gravity! Will to power—I bite down on the snake of pity which has bitten my heart! Will to power—I confess vitality in itself, strength in itself, over weakness and ugliness! We do not exist at the fate of ugly facts but rather in the will to ascend towards the heavens. If we can’t make gods let us make overman.

And to the man to who has buried and wrapped himself in his truths so thoroughly that he has become one in the same with it—let him be nothing but the stepping stone in your ascension towards the azure infinite above. WILL TO POWER!

Thus spoke Zarathustra.

So, you have no argument then. 

Only cope.

[NuclearAbsolutist]

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You people REALLY need to learn how to format seriously. Anyway on cope are these examples delusional to bring up?






Negros have never been the issue anyhow its their helpers that are the problem. Left to their own devices the law of Malthus alone would check them. It is indeed purely a question of Will to not hand things over not fate as decreed by UN population data(Which is what our establishment believes...).

[Guest]

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You people REALLY need to learn how to format seriously. Anyway on cope are these examples delusional to bring up?






Negros have never been the issue anyhow its their helpers that are the problem. Left to their own devices the law of Malthus alone would check them. It is indeed purely a question of Will to not hand things over not fate as decreed by UN population data(Which is what our establishment believes...).

There are hundreds of millions of White libtards and conservatives who lack the stomach to gut negresses with bayonets and decorate their banners with nigger infants.

The Will does not exist in the White population. That does not even include the continuing influence of the Jews or the other racial enemies the White man faces.

If the Will existed, desegregation would never have occurred. Yet it did.

The White population is more pozzed by the year. Nigger worship ever more embedded into the subconscious of the White normie. There are maybe a few million White men total in a declining population that have the stomach to nuke Africa until its solid glass and they will never have power, not without some catastrophic collapse of the current system.

My prognosis is based on my observations of the White population, not UN data on Nigerian birthrates.

If you have evidence that shows otherwise, please present it.

[NuclearAbsolutist]

There are hundreds of millions of White libtards and conservatives who lack the stomach to gut negresses with bayonets and decorate their banners with nigger infants.

That is not needed. What is needed is as simple as adopting a policy of a government almost a perfect carbon copy of our own and indefinite existence is secured at least if it is kept:


You think in a binary that cedes all possible ability to act to others and does not see any range of possibility (Such as how in the real world even in a case of demographic tip over the dark races cannot govern themselves and whites keep on existing as the productive population a dynamic that stretches from Chicago to Cape Town. But that's not optional of course, which is why thoughts on and movement towards action is needed if one wants a tolerable society in future. The success or failure of these things are not governed by fate, again it is a question of Will and competence. One simply has to look at the failure to stop a red minority in 1917-20 caused by things by ill done fights and clerical work to understand this. And if your response to this is no no no its doomed-why are you here? Your conclusion is the same of the NGOs go get paid with them.

[Guest]

There are hundreds of millions of White libtards and conservatives who lack the stomach to gut negresses with bayonets and decorate their banners with nigger infants.

That is not needed. What is needed is as simple as adopting a policy of a government almost a perfect carbon copy of our own and indefinite existence is secured at least if it is kept:


You think in a binary that cedes all possible ability to act to others and does not see any range of possibility (Such as how in the real world  even in a case of demographic  tip over the dark races cannot govern themselves and whites keep on existing as the productive population a  dynamic that stretches from Chicago to Cape Town. But that's not optional of course, which is why thoughts on and movement towards action is needed if one wants a tolerable society in future. The success or failure of these things are not governed by fate, again it is a question of Will and competence. One simply has to look at the failure to stop a red minority in 1917-20 caused by things by ill done fights and clerical work to understand this. And if your response to this is no no no its doomed-why are you here? Your conclusion is the same of the NGOs go get paid with them.

Israel’s example is worthy of further investigation, I’ll concede. Yet it is still dependent on American military protection, and the fact it’s Arab neighbors have long since given up trying to drive it into the sea. 

Yet, I thought Amarnites wanted TND. As in relentless race war across every square inch of the earth’s surface until every single non White(and most Whites as well) were ashes? The Will to do that does not exist. Which you still have not refuted. 

I never claimed it was a matter of Fate. I said the White population lacks the Will to ensure it’s own survival. If it did, then we would not be in this dire situation to begin with. 

The entire basis for any honest pessimism is simply looking at the White population, both the normie masses and the retarded nigger lovers and invertebrates in government. Not African growth rates, simply a hard honest evaluation of the material we have to work with. 

I would gladly relish the chance to shed nigger blood, and butcher libtards with chainsaws. As I hope you would, but I can’t do that without an army. Hitler needed one and so will any elite class you wish to seize power later this century.

To make sure I’m not misunderstood, I want global slaughter. I want to turn the oceans red with the blood of niggers, Jews, libtards, faggots, chinks, spics and pajeets. If they were all exterminated, a truly marvelous world would be ours.

But there appears to me, no viable path to wage such a global campaign. If the best we can hope for is small ethnostates, islands of Aryan majesty in a brown sea, then that is a sorry future for the White man. 

I’m a pessimist because by 2100 or so the White population worldwide will likely be down to 3 to 5% total. And only continue weakening from there. 

I’m here because it’s interesting, and I had heard Amarnites had the enthusiasm for violence and sadism other strands of the dissident right lacked.

[Guest]

Israel’s example is worthy of further investigation, I’ll concede. Yet it is still dependent on American military protection, and the fact it’s Arab neighbors have long since given up trying to drive it into the sea. 

I swear I can be intellectual flexable, now that I have established that your more likely to listen to me confess the truth.

Yet, I thought Amarnites wanted TND. As in relentless race war across every square inch of the earth’s surface until every single non White(and most Whites as well) were ashes? The Will to do that does not exist. Which you still have not refuted. 

Huh? Where’s your devotion to your sweet fantasy? Your belief a in non-binary goal system is Baffling, you can’t want to take reasonable steps towards a goal.

I never claimed it was a matter of Fate. I said the White population lacks the Will to ensure it’s own survival. If it did, then we would not be in this dire situation to begin with. 

I never claimed magic—just truth, and it’s bitter.

The entire basis for any honest pessimism is simply looking at the White population, both the normie masses and the retarded nigger lovers and invertebrates in government. Not African growth rates, simply a hard honest evaluation of the material we have to work with.

Truth is about the vibe—look how knowledgeable they already are in the truth. Everyone already believes In the truth, and its proof is by how truthful everyone already appears.

I would gladly relish the chance to shed nigger blood, and butcher libtards with chainsaws. As I hope you would, but I can’t do that without an army. Hitler needed one and so will any elite class you wish to seize power later this century.

Yeah, your lie is sweet and I would enjoy it too, but the cold hard ugly truth is where it’s at.

To make sure I’m not misunderstood, I want global slaughter. I want to turn the oceans red with the blood of niggers, Jews, libtards, faggots, chinks, spics and pajeets. If they were all exterminated, a truly marvelous world would be ours.

I swear I’m not denying the sweetness of your lie—oh how sweet.

But there appears to me, no viable path to wage such a global campaign. If the best we can hope for is small ethnostates, islands of Aryan majesty in a brown sea, then that is a sorry future for the White man. 

But no matter how sweet your lie the truth is bitter.

I’m a pessimist because by 2100 or so the White population worldwide will likely be down to 3 to 5% total. And only continue weakening from there. 

I’m truthful because how ugly this facts looks, see see, it’s ugliness is a sign of its truthfulness.

I’m here because it’s interesting, and I had heard Amarnites had the enthusiasm for violence and sadism other strands of the dissident right lacked.

I’m just here because I sensed vitality and life, and I knew how lost you all were without the truth. If you had the truth you’d be ugly too, but you’re youthful and beautiful—a sign of untruth, a lie.

[NuclearAbsolutist]

Israel’s example is worthy of further investigation, I’ll concede. Yet it is still dependent on American military protection, and the fact it’s Arab neighbors have long since given up trying to drive it into the sea. 

Israel's first and most important war was fought by its own hand with craft built firearms. American military aid did not even really kick in until 1967. And as proven by the recent example of the Republic of Afghanistan it would be all paper weight if there are no men with the ability and will to use it to deter foreign adversaries. 

Yet, I thought Amarnites wanted TND. As in relentless race war across every square inch of the earth’s surface until every single non White(and most Whites as well) were ashes? The Will to do that does not exist. Which you still have not refuted. 

Firstly "Amarnites" do not exist like every group label online especially twitter ones it is openly admitted to have no relation to or measure of standards beyond chimp mimicking which anyone can do, The personages that call themselves Amarnites have nothing to do with this place.  Secondly you have not proven that it is required to fully happen now or indeed how I am a hypocrite for not holding that as a goal.

I never claimed it was a matter of Fate. I said the White population lacks the Will to ensure it’s own survival. If it did, then we would not be in this dire situation to begin with. 
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I’m a pessimist because by 2100 or so the White population worldwide will likely be down to 3 to 5% total. And only continue weakening from there. 

"I don't believe in fate I think human action is real-but birth trends(That are happening to coloreds too)" 

I’m here because it’s interesting, and I had heard Amarnites had the enthusiasm for violence and sadism other strands of the dissident right lacked.

How is Hollywood nazism interesting?

[Guest]

"Israel's first and most important war was fought by its own hand with craft built firearms. American military aid did not even really kick in until 1967. And as proven by the recent example of the Republic of Afghanistan it would be all paper weight if there are no men with the ability and will to use it to deter foreign adversaries."

Yet aid Israel did receive, including the recognition of its statehood from every member of the UN security council.

"Firstly "Amarnites" do not exist like every group label online especially twitter ones it is openly admitted to have no relation to or measure of standards beyond chimp mimicking which anyone can do, The personages that call themselves Amarnites have nothing to do with this place. Secondly you have not proven that it is required to fully happen now or indeed how I am a hypocrite for not holding that as a goal."

"I know nothing and I disavow everything that I know nothing about". Amarnite is an online right label for a specific subset of beliefs and aesthetics. Its very easy to pick out, anyone who emulates it in tone and substance is an Amarnite and tends to call themselves one. Do you genuinely think you're fooling me?

"Secondly you have not proven that it is required to fully happen now or indeed how I am a hypocrite for not holding that as a goal." Well I'm genuinely pleased you think it should happen. Though tell me, when? 2080? 2123? Are you insinuating you do not in fact support TND?

"I don't believe in fate I think human action is real-but birth trends(That are happening to coloreds too)"

I do in fact believe in Fate. I also think it's entirely compatible with the Aryan spirit.

"How is Hollywood nazism interesting?"

Because violence is good and is in fact desirable. The infliction of pain on Non-White filth is worth doing in itself because I want an online right comfortable with sadism and savagery.

"I’m truthful because how ugly this facts looks, see see, it’s ugliness is a sign of its truthfulness."

Incredible. The truth has no aesthetic content, it simply is.

"I’m just here because I sensed vitality and life, and I knew how lost you all were without the truth. If you had the truth you’d be ugly too, but you’re youthful and beautiful—a sign of untruth, a lie."

Yes, I came to drain your vitality away to preserve my own aged existence of...26. You got me. I seek the young and naive and turn them into husks of bitterness and despair for my own amusement and sustenance.

"Yeah, your lie is sweet and I would enjoy it too, but the cold hard ugly truth is where it’s at."

I decided as a child I would follow the truth to wherever it went, no matter how unpleasant. It is the true love of my life. I would follow the truth no matter how terrible, or how mundane or how painful.

"I never claimed magic—just truth, and it’s bitter."

Do you wish to be told lies so you sleep more soundly? So, your frightful heart may rest? If so, I do sympathize and pity you. The ugliness of reality is like a mirror, it forces us to look simply by existing. Or are you perhaps afraid that you do not have the strength or fortitude to endure true misery, true hopelessness?

"Huh? Where’s your devotion to your sweet fantasy? Your belief a in non-binary goal system is Baffling, you can’t want to take reasonable steps towards a goal."

I do in fact wish to see a world in which the White man is free. Free to rest, free to expand, free to do all he wishes. I just don't cast my eyes upon the truth (that is nearly all quantifiable data and valid intuition) and see that as truly possible. It breaks my heart you know.

"I swear I can be intellectual flexable, now that I have established that your more likely to listen to me confess the truth."

I am a man of honesty. Would you rather dwell in delusion? Hitler will come back from the dead at noon today, waltz into the Pentagon take control of the nuclear arsenal and blow up all the niggers.

[NuclearAbsolutist]

*unformated dribble*

I'll pick out two things here

"I know nothing and I disavow everything that I know nothing about". Amarnite is an online right label for a specific subset of beliefs and aesthetics. Its very easy to pick out, anyone who emulates it in tone and substance is an Amarnite and tends to call themselves one.

Yes, thats my exact issue in your own description you say emulate instead of being. Anyone can pick it up and then praddle about TND for sentence after sentence just like "frogtwitter" users praddle about bodybuilding or irony leftists wrestling. A inch deep ocean going for miles. 
As for your points

Because violence is good and is in fact desirable. The infliction of pain on Non-White filth is worth doing in itself because I want an online right comfortable with sadism and savagery.

Anti-Semitism is exactly the same as delousing. Getting rid of lice is not a question of ideology, it is a matter of cleanliness. In just this same way anti-Semitism for us has not been a question of ideology but a matter of cleanliness.

I wish to add on the online right already has turned figures such as the crusaders, vikings the SS and Dirlewanger into treasured figures...and none of the bearing those figures have rubbed off on them. Because as I have already said and will expand further  all such concepts, figures, events with how the dynamics of that cesspool along with the inhabitants of it are with "Amarnites" just being one more layer of dirty water nothing more than baubles to show around and blanket yourself with on the net. TND is the punchline of the cartoon character chudjak. I would consider handling that before going on to lament its seeming impossibility and it not being taken up.

[Guest]

*unformated dribble*

Apologies, the formatting is somewhat new to me.

I'll pick out two things here
"I know nothing and I disavow everything that I know nothing about". Amarnite is an online right label for a specific subset of beliefs and aesthetics. Its very easy to pick out, anyone who emulates it in tone and substance is an Amarnite and tends to call themselves one.

Yes, thats my exact issue in your own description you say emulate instead of being. Anyone can pick it up and then praddle about TND for sentence after sentence just like "frogtwitter" users praddle about bodybuilding or irony leftists wrestling. A inch deep ocean going for miles. 
As for your points

Because violence is good and is in fact desirable. The infliction of pain on Non-White filth is worth doing in itself because I want an online right comfortable with sadism and savagery.

Honest question, and I hope this isn't against forum rules, do you endorse the Buffalo shooting? Should more young White men repeat it?

Anti-Semitism is exactly the same as delousing. Getting rid of lice is not a question of ideology, it is a matter of cleanliness. In just this same way anti-Semitism for us has not been a question of ideology but a matter of cleanliness.

I wish to add on the online right already has turned figures such as the crusaders, vikings the SS and Dirlewanger into treasured figures...and none of the bearing those figures have rubbed off on them. Because as I have already said and will expand further  all such concepts, figures, events with how the dynamics of that cesspool along with the inhabitants of it are with "Amarnites" just being one more layer of dirty water nothing more than baubles to show around and blanket yourself with on the net. TND is the punchline of the cartoon character chudjak. I would consider handling that before going on to lament its seeming impossibility and it not being taken up.

Being edgy on the internet incurs no cost or consequence while raising one's social cache. As you yourself note, "TND" can easily be treated as the punchline of a meme. "le west has fallen, billions must die" without an ounce of sincerity.

If you want any progress, you must be utterly sincere. I would hope that's not controversial.

[Guest]

Being edgy on the internet incurs no cost or consequence while raising one's social cache. As you yourself note, "TND" can easily be treated as the punchline of a meme. "le west has fallen, billions must die" without an ounce of sincerity.

If you want any progress, you must be utterly sincere. I would hope that's not controversial.

I made the mistake in thinking if I formatted my thoughts in an adjacent “based schizo” format you’d show deference because I understood your iq to be a standard deviation below the capacity for comprehension of the concepts I could have communicated; but it’s seems that you’re even a standard deviation below being able to understand that.

The nature of your arguments was more artistic then inartistic meaning that you were not arguing about particulars or points but rather sentiments. It was purely about communicating your feelings of despondency. Thus I refuted with vitality over an actual good faith argument understanding that you don’t actually care about particular or facts only so much as they affirm your sentiment. 

Btw I’m not writing this for you because your only response would range somewhere in, “but it is real.” Trying to affirm your relationship to reality and ideas but in reality your only allegiance is to the reality of your sentiments. You can at the end of the day only argue for the reality of your own emotions. I made this for everyone else as a good example of different types of arguments; with this one demonstrating a meaning of establishing a sentiment.

[Guest]

My argument is first and foremost impressionistic and intuitive. Is it derived from my own sentiments, yes obviously. 

I'll be so bold as to claim my intuitions as inherently subjective and fickle as they are accurate to the world outside of myself. 

Your entire response was "le truth is unpleasant, and you want to make me sad" barely disguised pathetic cope, veiled by quoting Nietzche. Offering no substantive counter argument, or even intuitive response of your own. 

Observed facts + inducted meaning=truth. It's so simple even a nigger could understand it, but you are apparently so retarded that it was beyond your comprehension.

[Guest]

Your entire response was "le truth is unpleasant, and you want to make me sad" barely disguised pathetic cope, veiled by quoting Nietzche. Offering no substantive counter argument, or even intuitive response of your own. 

Why do you keep responding? I already explained the meaning of my “thus spoke Zarathustra” and you still didn’t understand it. I never quoted Nietzsch, i just aped the style of Thus Spoke Zarathustra. All you confirmed is your lack of reading comprehension. My counter argument was will to power. No I will not explain how that counts as an argument because as I’ve said you don’t have the ability to understand any of the ideas im saying. 

Also what do you think cope means? This proves you have no capability to discern present&future from each other. It’s essentially the “but I did eat breakfast” response but it’s inverse.

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My use of the word “truth” was satirical. The mocking tone went over your head.

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Because I'm bored and I find online argument pleasurable for its own sake. 

Just have the honesty to admit my prognostication upset you or that you don't wish to believe it. Pretending that you can dream the facts away is not imposing your Will, it is retreat and delusion. 

So yes, I did understand your response. 

And for anyone else reading this, there is no hope, the White race is doomed. Western civilization died in the rubble of Berlin in May 1945. How you respond to that is of course, entirely up to you.

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Ah yes, the facts that the white race is only 4-5% of the population. We’ve already lost, I haven’t seen a fellow white person in five years. We've gone extinct as I’m the last white man, these are the facts.

[casual rapist]

I can't tell who is jewing whom in this anonymous debate but I disagree with Guest.

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The destruction of isreal is something to which the white man is honor bound at this point.  Just is what it is.

[NuclearAbsolutist]

The destruction of isreal is something to which the white man is honor bound at this point.  Just is what it is.

Care to detail your plan to defeat a nuclear power and why is it special/important to deal with compared to other post Axis defeat states created under the framework of the Western Allies United Nations and are tied to America?

[casual rapist]

Care to detail your plan to defeat a nuclear power and why is it special/important to deal with compared to other post Axis defeat states created under the framework of the Western Allies United Nations and are tied to America?

You're missing or avoiding the larger point.  The white man is honor-bound to destroy israel as an act of revenge at this point.  This has no bearing on how it is done.  Just that it is.

[NuclearAbsolutist]

The white man is honor-bound to destroy israel as an act of revenge at this point.  This has no bearing on how it is done.  Just that it is.

I don't see the logic in taking up this Palestinian goal, for in my mind one cannot simply ignore the shifts done by Westerners of their own free will along with a multitude of social changes (The best description of this being Nietzsche's Last Man) which I find much more striking and important than Jewish opportunism to merely survive so they could reach this enlightened state:




Not to say they they did nothing just that to use a metaphor a great man with shattered legs should focus on that foremost, everything(Including beating mutt dogs that have gotten into the larder) is certain to click after that. Circling back to the thread topic, I want to give a open to question to everyone, have you ever sat down and thought about how the way power flows is getting even worse, phasing out even the old tribes?

[Guest]

new guest not from that debate btw

waaaah we're doomed its soooooo oooooveeeer

what about a virus?

Just remember to minimize mutation rate with error correction to keep it contained to targets. Suppress the symptoms in the presence of detectable false positive indicator traits. Spread fast and far without symptoms. Extreme lethality is compatible with virality given longer symptom latency.

imagine empty continents

[casual rapist]

I don't see the logic in taking up this Palestinian goal, for in my mind one cannot simply ignore the shifts done by Westerners of their own free will along with a multitude of social changes (The best description of this being Nietzsche's Last Man) which I find much more striking and important than Jewish opportunism to merely survive so they could reach this enlightened state:

Not to say they they did nothing just that to use a metaphor a great man with shattered legs should focus on that foremost, everything(Including beating mutt dogs that have gotten into the larder) is certain to click after that. Circling back to the thread topic, I want to give a open to question to everyone, have you ever sat down and thought about how the way power flows is getting even worse, phasing out even the old tribes?

Bro, you post like a kike for fucks sake.  Honor eludes you.  And you over invest in distraction. 

Kikes are reviled for a lot of good reasons.  But one of the best is the childishness of their mind.  Overexerts itself when confronted with truth, dissembling the point at hand while interjecting those not.  And is utterly deluded others will follow. 

If you can appreciate this nature of kike being, the amount of effort they expend to cocoon themselves in delusion, you find the real sweet spot of contempt. Should one of these children do the bit before you, the spike in contempt is like a natural high.  

The best case scenario is whites destroy israel because it could be fun.  Why not?  Fuck em. 
The more serious scenario, and one I think inevitable, is whites destroy isreal because they are honor bound to do so.  Because revenge becomes justice.

[Guest]

I'm honor bound to wait until they don't have feasible nuclear avenues anymore